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[IEM] Singapore - Group Stage Preview
November 22nd, 2012 17:34 GMT
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Sounds weird when you name something a "group of death" when in most other tournaments it'd be a group of life :/
Nice write-up though
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With sLivko's awesome ZvP I can't see him not getting out of the group, which means either grubby, lucifron, or oz gets the axe ;;
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GO ZENIO GRUBBY AND WHITE-RA!!!
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Did you mention how Mafia also 2-0'd Lucifron in the Open Bracket? Other than that, great preview
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Hoping for Enderr to pull a BWC Idra
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I've seen enough PvZ at BWC.
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gogogo sson! Hes winning the tourny. Said it here first.
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EnDerr will pull and IdrA. Definitely!!
GO ENDERR!!! GO JABI!!! <3
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It's going to be so funny if HasuObs came to cast, and ended up winning the tournament =P.
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so... when does the tournament happen? I really want to see how Ssonlight does^^
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Only 3 terran...
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IEM pretty lucky that 2 championship contending terrans qualified through the open bracket. this was about to be a boring tourney ;o
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C'mon SEA lads! Got faith in Mafia, PiG and Ninja to do well. Yekke was impressive vs. Zenio yesterday in open bracket and really enjoyed his muta play in game 2 on Ohana. All the best boys <3
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Great effort to spotlight what will be a somewhat overlooked tournament
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I wonder if nonterran players still bother to practice XvT matchups
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ProAnnn and blysk are protosses
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Why is it that because Hasu only came to cast, I get the feeling he's going to do very well this time?
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Light competition in this. Will be nice to see some of the very good but slightly less popular players get deep in this.
MC to take it. Or VortiX.
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"After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"
Really smooth guys....
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On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"
Really smooth guys....
I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o
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On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"
Really smooth guys.... I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o
If you don't follow the scene.. Don't write a report on it Why so much hate for SEA players? Mafia dismantled your Euro heart throb Lucifron in the open bracket. I hope this tournament shows some of you that SEA talent is stronger than you all think.
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On November 23 2012 10:08 ChadMann wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"
Really smooth guys.... I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o If you don't follow the scene.. Don't write a report on it Why so much hate for SEA players? Mafia dismantled your Euro heart throb Lucifron in the open bracket. I hope this tournament shows some of you that SEA talent is stronger than you all think.
Ok fair enough, I suggest you hope they do well and if they do you can come back to the preview thread tomorrow and say suck it waxangel, I promise It's lots of fun.
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On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"
Really smooth guys.... I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o
I know he wouldn't it's not even about the results. It was about being professional and instead of saying "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" maybe something along the lines of "These guys are lesser known and will have a real fight on their hands to get out of this difficult group against well known international competitors" especially when it's their home server.
Sorry for coming across as shitty as i did, i'm just tired
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Cheering for the SEA lads!!
Hopefully they can show how strong they are here.
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On November 23 2012 10:16 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 10:07 Dodgin wrote:On November 23 2012 10:01 iAmBiGbiRd wrote: "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" Mafia demolished LucifroN 2-0 in the Open bracket and beat both HasuObs and VortiX in TSL qualies while PiG has been in the Prime house for over a month and put up good results vs high level Koreans while he was there. Not saying this means they will replicate this form all the time but maybe do a bit of research and post some of those results for hype, especially seeing that it is a SEA tournament with a lot of local people cheering instead of just shitting on them because you don't have a clue and are too lazy to do anything other than say "SEA is bad"
Really smooth guys.... I don't think wax follows the SEA scene, having to write about GSL 4-5 times a week + other foreign tournaments ;o I know he wouldn't it's not even about the results. It was about being professional and instead of saying "After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed" maybe something along the lines of "These guys are lesser known and will have a real fight on their hands to get out of this difficult group against well known international competitors" especially when it's their home server. Sorry for coming across as shitty as i did, i'm just tired
It's okay, really ;o
perfectly valid complaint in my opinion!
wax also said this about Mvp last IEM for the open bracket preview
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=360584
The part where I explain why Mvp won't win, against my better instincts
With four GSL Championships, (T)LG-IM_Mvp is clearly the best Starcraft II player of all time and a living legend. All those in attendance at IEM Cologne should take care to not even step on his shadow, lest they disrespect him.
That said, Mvp is terrible when he's not playing in the GSL. We all saw how limited he was at HomeStoryCup V, where intelligence and experience alone could not overcome a noticeable decline in mechanics. With the pain in his arms preventing him from practicing as much as he'd like, he gets left further and further behind with every day that passes.
Also, Mvp despises international air travel, and it's not hard to tell he's in Cologne mainly in order to fulfill sponsor obligations to LG. Mvp is a professional, and he'll tough it out and do his best to perform as long as he's there, but it's unrealistic to expect a great result.
and then he won the whole thing, so if it turns out he's wrong and a SEA player wins their group just rub it in face tomorrow ;d
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Hoping for a comeback of MC !
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On November 23 2012 02:34 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: but it's not as hopeless for them as for their compadres in the other groups. I'm sorry but that's kinda rude to label players as hopeless... I am pretty sure you can use heaps of other words to describe it without insulting players like that.
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After that there's the three SEA region Zergs who will probably get destroyed
you mean the three SEA zergs as in Mafia who 2-0'd LucifroN yesterday, got rank 1 GM on the korean server, and got insane results in every TSL4 qualifier he entered, PiG who got to the semi's in the Code A qualifiers 2 weeks ago and trained in the Prime House for a month and took down mOOnGLaDe in WCS Australia, a player who then went on to have the second best non korean run behind Naniwa at the last MLG???
Show some fucking professionalism, do your research, and stop being so ignorant to amazing players who you are too blind to realise have amazing potential to do well, especially locally.
Maybe they might get destoryed, in starcraft anything can happen. But a comment like that in your write up is just stupid, and all you accomplish is pissing off Australians who are already aware of how wrong the rest of the world is with their assumptions on our skill level.
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Hate to add to the hate train here, but you can't say a guy who 2-0'ed Lucifron will "probably get destroyed", whether you follow the SEA scene or not. I actually think that series was a huge story, possibly the biggest of the day, and you're not giving it, or the player, the respect they deserve.
A preview thread is what it is, but lay off the huge, sweeping generalisations.
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Another amazing piece of shit written by Wax
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You know how it is, these Americans trolololol
-1 for journalism Blunt truth is, this a small tourney to cover for TL. There aren't any "favorites", so why bother...right? I kinda understand that in the interest of time, everyone just trawls TLPD, but come on teamliquid, we're still part of the community. That's why there's this thing called reporting. There is a real opportunity to get to know "small" SC2 scene that's better known for FXOBoss and FXOUnstable, and you guys missed it.
-1 for being the impartial arbiter Yes, we all know Koreans destroy. I'm not gonna deny that MC will probably take this one, but I think you're missing that there could be some really great games in the SEA/local contestants. Taking shit for granted is what scores you -1.
-1000 for pissing off SEA fans Oh well. That said, our region has more money and more potential than the flagging economy of the US. That's a fact. Trolololol
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Not following the SEA players is all well and good. But openly tearing them apart on the front page of TL is pretty awful.
Very disappointed.
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Man, it feels really cool to see the name of my countrymen in there.
Enderr, Jabito hwaiting~!!
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Mafia so fucking trash he only 2-0'd lucifron in open bracket stage.
Fucking awful write up jesus christ.
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I applaud the coverage, but I can't say I totally enjoyed the write-up. I've been hearing 'storyline' tossed around lately, as well as the lack of mid-tier player exposure. There are quite a few lines in this article that take backwards steps to achieving this, especially when discussing the regional players. I'd be really bummed if I was one of them reading this.
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its pretty obvious that waxangel is just the old bitter grandpa in the room who hates the young kids stepping on his lawn of BW elitism
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I'll be cheering for all the SEA and Australian players, win, lose or draw, these guys are ballers!
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Next time can someone who actually researches the players, their performances at the event and their results do the preview? People have already pointed out the inconsistencies and straight up bad journalism behind this.
Artosis however is a total baller, perhaps TL should get someone more like him to do this sort of shit, since Waxangel has no idea clearly.
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This was an absolutely disgusting write-up of IEM. Firstly it's one thing to be biased but to openly bad manner a whole regions player base (many who are attending their first international event) on the front page of TL..
Disappointed to say the least.
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Gogogogo Grubby and White-Ra!
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Oh please. You expected a higher quality post from TL? The only place with a worse signal-to-noise ratio is reddit. Our guys repeatedly beat Kr, NA, and Euro pros on ladder and in online tourneys. Unfortunately, SC2 fanboys only care about offline results, which will come in time. It just kinda unfortunate that IEM condone this level of sub-par writing and idiocy (https://twitter.com/IEM/status/271807020594765825). No wonder people are turning off from the major tourneys recently if this is level professionalism they scrape up.
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Hmm how about Artosis' article gets a front page spot instead of this? Lovely :/
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On November 23 2012 05:15 Zerg.Zilla wrote:Only 3 terran...
Yeah so much PvZ... Didn't we just have a tournament where it was all PvZ? Like last weekend?
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The write-up is just stating the true nature of regional balance, notice how only SEA server areas are upset. It isn't like he talks up the Koreans like they are unbeatable, MC has been identified as one of them that may under-perform. The SEA players have no significant accomplishments that are noteworthy, especially for the TL audience that are used to the level of play like Taeja, Sea, Stephano, and DRG.
This tournament isn't even worth a write-up except for the name value of IEM, and the players have very few if any significant results. The level of play would be higher watching a low-GM on KR ladder than this IEM.
Why would anyone watch IEM over IPL?
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On November 23 2012 12:13 mGGDrGooSe wrote: Oh please. You expected a higher quality post from TL? The only place with a worse signal-to-noise ratio is reddit. Our guys repeatedly beat Kr, NA, and Euro pros on ladder and in online tourneys. Unfortunately, SC2 fanboys only care about offline results, which will come in time. It just kinda unfortunate that IEM condone this level of sub-par writing and idiocy (https://twitter.com/IEM/status/271807020594765825). No wonder people are turning off from the major tourneys recently if this is level professionalism they scrape up.
SEA players consistently beating tier 1 Koreans? Offline tournaments mean less than online tournaments?
Great logic there.
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i wonder how the casters' gonna introduce jabito..
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Jesus guys, calm down. I'm the guy who wrote the whole "AUSTRALIANS ARE GOING TO FUCKING KICK ASS AT MLG" thread and I think we're all jumping the gun a bit. I find it heartwarming that SEA sticks up for itself like this but some of the things being said are just silly.
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On November 23 2012 12:34 Cattlecruiser wrote: The SEA players have no significant accomplishments that are noteworthy, especially for the TL audience that are used to the level of play like Taeja, Sea, Stephano, and DRG.
So Mafia 2-0'ing Lucifron in the open bracket, a player who Waxangel cites as the lone Terran hope, is not an accomplishment?
Pig reaching the semis of Code A qualifiers isn't an accomplishment?
Is that enough for the "TL audience"? Or is this you and the author being severely uninformed?
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On November 23 2012 13:18 SunsetSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 12:34 Cattlecruiser wrote: The SEA players have no significant accomplishments that are noteworthy, especially for the TL audience that are used to the level of play like Taeja, Sea, Stephano, and DRG. So Mafia 2-0'ing Lucifron in the open bracket, a player who Waxangel cites as the lone Terran hope, is not an accomplishment? Pig reaching the semis of Code A qualifiers isn't an accomplishment? Is that enough for the "TL audience"? Or is this you and the author being severely uninformed?
1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.
2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.
Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol
There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders.
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On November 23 2012 13:31 Cattlecruiser wrote: 1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.
2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.
Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol
There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders.
Keep up the tone, mate. It's doing wonders for your cause.
It's about the double standard in the article. You can't call the person who 2-0'ed the "Terran hope" in this tournament a no-hoper. It doesn't make sense. It's like the open bracket results weren't taken into consideration in the preview article for the group stage, which makes no sense.
Mafia also held KR GM Rank 1 for awhile, you impressed yet?
These aren't bottom-feeders. If that's what you call a bottom-feeder, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the article wasn't well researched.
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It would be nice if SEA players were hyped a bit for their home tourney.
But that wasnt waxangels intention. He just did a normal preview like he always does. Thats perfectly in his rights. I personally think as well that no SEA player is specially favored to advance in their group (though I except 1-2 to upset).
SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never performed well internationally, so waxangels predictions are not too far off. At last years IEM for SEA, PIG and iaguz both didnt win a single game. At BWC Mafia went 0-4. At MLG, only moonglade made a splash. There is the occasional success story (Mafia beating Lucifron), and there is definite hope for another, probably bigger one.
waxangel is totally not BM vs SEA in his article, more so comments from players like iaguz and deth, which is really disappointing to see.
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Goodness, quite a thrashing going on in this article. O.o
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On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote: SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never attended internationally Fixed that for you!
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On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote: It would be nice if SEA players were hyped a bit for their home tourney.
But that wasnt waxangels intention. He just did a normal preview like he always does. Thats perfectly in his rights. I personally think as well that no SEA player is specially favored to advance in their group (though I except 1-2 to upset).
SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never performed well internationally, so waxangels predictions are not too far off. At last years IEM for SEA, PIG and iaguz both didnt win a single game. At BWC Mafia went 0-4. At MLG, only moonglade made a splash. There is the occasional success story (Mafia beating Lucifron), and there is definite hope for another, probably bigger one.
waxangel is totally not BM vs SEA in his article, more so comments from players like iaguz and deth, which is really disappointing to see.
Some people over-reacted for sure but to say Wax was not rude to the entire SEA scene is pretty stupid.
PiG 2-1 VortiX in other news
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Pig 2-1 VortiX coz hes a SEA zerg who will "probably get destroyed."
Take that to your backface!
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good lord calm the hell down aussies
SEA wins are upsets and you know it, be optimistic but realistic
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On November 23 2012 13:38 SunsetSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:31 Cattlecruiser wrote: 1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.
2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.
Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol
There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders. Keep up the tone, mate. It's doing wonders for your cause. It's about the double standard in the article. You can't call the person who 2-0'ed the "Terran hope" in this tournament a no-hoper. It doesn't make sense. It's like the open bracket results weren't taken into consideration in the preview article for the group stage, which makes no sense. Mafia also held KR GM Rank 1 for awhile, you impressed yet? These aren't bottom-feeders. If that's what you call a bottom-feeder, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the article wasn't well researched.
GM Rank 1 in Korea? Was this the midnight after GM unlocked? LMFAO I'm surprised he didn't win a GSL already... Oh wait, he can't even qualify for Code A? Get real chief.
You can easily call one of three terrans the "Terran Hope". It indicates the sparsity of Terrans in the tournament rather than the legitimacy of the player winning. Also a single match set doesn't make a player favored over the other.
If you don't call players that can't make Code A bottom feeders, who do you call bottom feeders?
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A weak lineup, and yet I feel confident that this will be a fun event to watch...
GL White-Ra!! ^_^
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On November 23 2012 14:10 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote: SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never attended internationally Fixed that for you!
Thats certainly true as well, that why I especially mentioned the cases when they attended (and didnt do well).
On November 23 2012 14:12 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:02 00Visor wrote: It would be nice if SEA players were hyped a bit for their home tourney.
But that wasnt waxangels intention. He just did a normal preview like he always does. Thats perfectly in his rights. I personally think as well that no SEA player is specially favored to advance in their group (though I except 1-2 to upset).
SEA players (besides moonglade) have almost never performed well internationally, so waxangels predictions are not too far off. At last years IEM for SEA, PIG and iaguz both didnt win a single game. At BWC Mafia went 0-4. At MLG, only moonglade made a splash. There is the occasional success story (Mafia beating Lucifron), and there is definite hope for another, probably bigger one.
waxangel is totally not BM vs SEA in his article, more so comments from players like iaguz and deth, which is really disappointing to see. Some people over-reacted for sure but to say Wax was not rude to the entire SEA scene is pretty stupid. PiG 2-1 VortiX in other news
Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below)
On November 23 2012 14:17 Champi wrote: Pig 2-1 VortiX coz hes a SEA zerg who will "probably get destroyed."
Take that to your backface!
Wax also said this: "It will be tough, but the SEA/Oceania players do have a chance if things go their way, and they manage to take advantage of ZvZ to the fullest."
He wasnt betting on them, but he exactly mentioned that possibility.
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On November 23 2012 14:20 Cattlecruiser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 13:38 SunsetSC2 wrote:On November 23 2012 13:31 Cattlecruiser wrote: 1. Foreign zerg beating a foreign terran, ONCE.
2. Foreign zerg ALMOST qualifying for a Korean tournament.
Sounds very impressive. Please tell me more. lol
There is a difference between being informed and obsessing over bottom feeders. Keep up the tone, mate. It's doing wonders for your cause. It's about the double standard in the article. You can't call the person who 2-0'ed the "Terran hope" in this tournament a no-hoper. It doesn't make sense. It's like the open bracket results weren't taken into consideration in the preview article for the group stage, which makes no sense. Mafia also held KR GM Rank 1 for awhile, you impressed yet? These aren't bottom-feeders. If that's what you call a bottom-feeder, good for you, but that doesn't change the fact that the article wasn't well researched. If you don't call players that can't make Code A bottom feeders, who do you call bottom feeders? I'd call like...Spanishiwa, MaddeLisk, Levin, etc bottom feeders. Even that might be a bit too harsh.
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On November 23 2012 14:20 Cattlecruiser wrote: GM Rank 1 in Korea? Was this the midnight after GM unlocked? LMFAO I'm surprised he didn't win a GSL already... Oh wait, he can't even qualify for Code A? Get real chief.
You can easily call one of three terrans the "Terran Hope". It indicates the sparsity of Terrans in the tournament rather than the legitimacy of the player winning. Also a single match set doesn't make a player favored over the other.
If you don't call players that can't make Code A bottom feeders, who do you call bottom feeders?
Isn't this the exact attitude we are trying to stamp out. Even Carmac himself said he wants better player exposure and more people than those select few at the very top to get their names out there. It doesn't matter who's better, it's about the support. It's about the storyline, but you only want the same premium names in the spotlight. It's about creating interest in the community, but you continue to downplay the regional players and create zero interest or hype for them.
There are a LOT of people from the region watching and supporting IEM Singapore. We are here through thick and thin - however it hurts and get's really depressing when people outside our region keep stereotyping our players and keep driving that tired old stigma on and on. How do you think the players feel?
Personally I would have liked to hear more about the WCS Singapore runner up Yekke, who narrowly lost to Zenio in the open bracket. I thought he played really well, but no one cares and because he gets no mention, tomorrow he will be forgotten.
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On November 23 2012 14:22 00Visor wrote: Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below) I think the closing statement was the one that rubbed most people the wrong way -
I feel like WCS should have taught us something about tournament structures that promote even play across all regions at the cost of pure competitiveness, but I'm not entirely sure what it was. He's effectively saying, "The tournament is going to be bad because IEM allows SEA players to compete."
EDIT: I'd just like to re-iterate that we're not oblivious to where we stand among the rest of the world. We're not delusional in thinking our players are championship material, but we're not the bottom of the barrel either. We just want to be treated and included as equals. Americans and Europeans don't suffer from the stigma we do.
For us, skill and accomplishments are irrelevant. People are quick to dismiss us because of our geographic location. It's exhausting.
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On November 23 2012 14:39 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:22 00Visor wrote: Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below) I think the closing statement was the one that rubbed most people the wrong way - Show nested quote + I feel like WCS should have taught us something about tournament structures that promote even play across all regions at the cost of pure competitiveness, but I'm not entirely sure what it was. He's effectively saying, " The tournament is going to be bad because IEM allows SEA players to compete." EDIT: I'd just like to re-iterate that we're not oblivious to where we stand among the rest of the world. We're not delusional in thinking our players are championship material, but we're not the bottom of the barrel either. We just want to be treated and included as equals. Americans and Europeans don't suffer from the stigma we do. For us, skill and accomplishments are irrelevant. People are quick to dismiss us because of our geographic location. It's exhausting. That's because there's a competitive difference between the regions, and always has been. There are a handful of SEA players who can make an international showing, but they don't have the results to sway opinions (compared to how Sen does for Taiwan).
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On November 23 2012 14:39 Dox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 14:22 00Visor wrote: Please point out how Wax was rude to "the entire SEA scene" other than predicting that SEA players most likely won't advance. (he especially mentioned how they still could, see below) I think the closing statement was the one that rubbed most people the wrong way -
Ok, thx. The closing statement can really be interpreted badly, but its also pretty weird. At WCS we had 5 different regions in the quarterfinals, some suprises like Killer and Suppy, so that does advertise seeds for all regions.
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Go enderr!!! this guy is the chuck norris of starcraft in our country!
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On November 23 2012 11:03 Arkanthiel wrote: Man, it feels really cool to see the name of my countrymen in there.
Enderr, Jabito hwaiting~!!
yeah me too! If these guys or other SEA players manage to sneak their way into winning this whole thing.. that would be like: awwwwwww yeahhhh!!!
other guys sorry, we philipinos are really an optimistic and happy people ^_^
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.... Grubby is going hardcore...
He just flew back form Shanghai to Amsterdam and now he is AGAIN in asia?
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So, as expected, PiG and Mafia are out. But hey, they may pass the group play of a major tournament someday.
I don't want to be rude, but you SEA spectators are always so butthurt when it comes to your players. They are quite good, but no, MaFia doesn't worth VortiX. Stop with that.
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On November 23 2012 17:11 ILOVEWAR wrote: .... Grubby is going hardcore...
He just flew back form Shanghai to Amsterdam and now he is AGAIN in asia?
Pretty sure he rescued a cat or two from trees too on the way, 'cause that's how the e-sports hero rolls!!! Jokes aside I really hope he can show his real level this time, without food poisoning, because he prepared a lot in the past weeks.
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On November 23 2012 18:08 Supter wrote: So, as expected, PiG and Mafia are out. But hey, they may pass the group play of a major tournament someday.
I don't want to be rude, but you SEA spectators are always so butthurt when it comes to your players. They are quite good, but no, MaFia doesn't worth VortiX. Stop with that.
European spectators are the same when their players are insulted. Everyone has their own sense of pride just let it be =D! its fun to cheer on shit enjoy the games hombres
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Tbh, this is pretty disappointing, especially that it is clear that Wax didn't even look at the open qualifiers when writing this. Wax, if you ever can't be bothered doing any research instead of just saying that SEA players are trash make a post on + Show Spoiler + and someone will happily tell all you need to know about the player.
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On November 23 2012 18:08 Supter wrote: So, as expected, PiG and Mafia are out. But hey, they may pass the group play of a major tournament someday.
I don't want to be rude, but you SEA spectators are always so butthurt when it comes to your players. They are quite good, but no, MaFia doesn't worth VortiX. Stop with that. Wonderful attitude you have there.
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Well, Ninja makes it through his group stage. A SEA player made it to bracket play. Unlike Mafia, Yekke and PiG you didn't even say "They may cause an upset" for Ninja.
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I'm glad a writeup happened, im disappointed in everything about it.
Theres telling people who they can expect to win, and then theres shitting on players, this whole thing was just amateur.
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It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans.
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On November 23 2012 22:10 Waxangel wrote: It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans. Koreans smash everyone no matter what region, what exactly makes Americans any worse?
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On November 23 2012 22:10 Waxangel wrote: It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans.
Sorry, but SEA server is too tightly-knitted for this to happen.
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On November 23 2012 21:18 RPR_Tempest wrote: Well, Ninja makes it through his group stage. A SEA player made it to bracket play. Unlike Mafia, Yekke and PiG you didn't even say "They may cause an upset" for Ninja. Ninja's a lot less known than the others. I wouldn't have given him a fraction of the chance Mafia or PiG had.
Stop looking for excuses to bitch - you don't reflect well on SEA at all.
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whiteeeerrrrraaa!!!!!!! kekekekeke :D
edit: zomg im so pumped
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What a god-awful writeup.
This has the same post quality as half the shit in the strategy section.
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On November 23 2012 22:10 Waxangel wrote: It's okay, you too will one day be jaded and cynical about your players like Americans.
even if you are jaded and cynical it is your job to put that aside, if not for esports then for some quality journalism at the very least.
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On November 24 2012 08:47 HuTSC2 wrote: What a god-awful writeup.
This has the same post quality as half the shit in the strategy section.
Honestly I thought it was pretty good except for the part about the SEA players and I'm usually very critical of wax, he predicted they would lose and they did lose except for one of them who was placed in the weakest group. I know you guys are defensive about your players but what he predicted pretty much happened, in that sense It's more accurate than saying they had a good chance and being wrong.
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its annoying that grubbys games were easily some of the most enjoyable games i have seen in the entire WOL expansion but yet a 3k check is awarded to him.
wish they would up the prize pool a bit. the mans games were ALLLLLLLLLLLL good to watch not just a few
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Surprised there are only two Terrans; is it normally this way?
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