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Dracolich, just throwing in there some food for thought, you are defending that he is professional while leaving games uncovered when he had a clear assignment is obviously unprofessional.
Btw not liking tobi has nothing to do with being rebel, you are just throwing something random and hoping everyone agrees with you. I don't like Tobi because and don't think his tone brings excitement, he casts games in the same fashion for quite some time, using the same tricks over and over(BLACKHOOOOOOLLLEEE for every blackhole to mention one). The production linked to jD is also not evolving, which makes his casting worst because he is the one using jD's production.
You do have a point that he is a good caster otherwise he wouldn't have a very solid fanbase but please, think a bit more before saying that if you dislike Tobi's casting, you are a rebel.
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On January 18 2013 20:34 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 17:13 teapoted wrote:On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote: A bit China-centric.
And how can Tobi not win? For LD? Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players. Have they? And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all. So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year. TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1. Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable. It's been explained a few times already. Doesn't make it more educated. Casting games while sick just demonstrates jD's incompetence. If people want to really believe they're doing so much for the scene how can they have the biggest channel for over a year and still only support one caster? No one is questioning Tobi's dedication but dedication doesn't make you any more intelligent or good at your job. It doesn't make you more receptive to the community. The question was whether or not he was professional, not jD. If it was a popularity contest, Tobi would definitively win too. That a vocal minority for some odd reason find it prober to show their disliking, is the typical rebel without a cause-behaviour, for someone popular. That Tobi is not given the prize, can only be a personal insult. He has paved the way for so many other casters, and has casted more than twice the second in line with more viewers than anyone. Are you saying Tobi is not competent at his job? The vocal minority dislike Tobi because he's popular? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390397 You can read through those picks and see for yourself, and I'm sure I could dig up reddit threads with 95% of people saying they prefer LD. And the GosuGamers awards 'also' gave it to LD. That's a pretty large minority, and if you think they're all children who think they're being 'rebels' then I'd suggest you go back to joinDota where the adults hang out.
And the non-vocal majority I suppose are the people who voted for Na'Vi to win everything in the gosugamers awards, so they're not really worth listening to because they have no understanding of the game and just latch on to celebrities.
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i find tobis casting absolutely capivating and riveting when doing something else. his excitment is amazing, his articulation and mannerisms amazing, his casting is descriptive and consistently paints a vivid picture
its only when you combine listening to his stellar casting with watching an apparently completely different game missing half the action and important shifts in that it becomes a problem
admittedly its the only real way i can keep up with the defense without leaving a headshaped dent in my desk
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On January 18 2013 22:33 Unleashing wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote: A bit China-centric.
And how can Tobi not win? For LD? Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players. Have they? And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all. So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year. TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1. Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable. It's been explained a few times already. Doesn't make it more educated. Yes, china has proven to have the better players. Nice strawman, i did not say anything about that the one that improved the most has to win. And he might've been pissed, doesn't make it any less unprofessional what he did. It proved that he did not know his place. He was assigned games, he should follow the assigned games. He left games without english coverage and pretty much told the teams "Sorry, your games aren't going to be important for the outcome of the group stages" which is offensive to a minimum of one of the teams. And sorry but no, it's the OPPOSITE of professional to not take a break when you need it, it's not professional to cast while being sick, at all. And sorry but i didn't listen to tobi because in most games it was nothing short of annoying, it was only when he had synderen with him that it was watcheable for me. Yes tobi has been the one to cast the most game, which is due to how few casters there was earlier this year for dota2, this has gone up by now and there is a reason as to why the jD streams are getting fewer and fewer viewers compared to other streams with the very same game. What tobi did at TI2 was unspectful to valve, the viewers and the teams. Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 20:34 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 18 2013 17:13 teapoted wrote:On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote: A bit China-centric.
And how can Tobi not win? For LD? Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players. Have they? And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all. So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year. TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1. Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable. It's been explained a few times already. Doesn't make it more educated. Casting games while sick just demonstrates jD's incompetence. If people want to really believe they're doing so much for the scene how can they have the biggest channel for over a year and still only support one caster? No one is questioning Tobi's dedication but dedication doesn't make you any more intelligent or good at your job. It doesn't make you more receptive to the community. The question was whether or not he was professional, not jD. If it was a popularity contest, Tobi would definitively win too. That a vocal minority for some odd reason find it prober to show their disliking, is the typical rebel without a cause-behaviour, for someone popular. That Tobi is not given the prize, can only be a personal insult. He has paved the way for so many other casters, and has casted more than twice the second in line with more viewers than anyone. Are you saying Tobi is not competent at his job? It has nothing to do with "rebel without a cause-behaviour" and nothing to do with him being more popular. Dendi is most likely the more popular player too compared to ferrari, doesn't really mean anything in regards to quality. Because ferrari is the overall better player. And yes, i do not think tobi is competent at casting on his own at all. Without a good professional player to fill the massive black hole(No pun intended) that is tobi's lack of game knowledge i find it a pain to watch tobi cast. If not LD i would've given the prize to v1lat or draskyll. 1. You gave it as one of the reasons, while you thought Tobi had stagnated. If it has no significance for the reason why LD should be picked over someone such as Tobi, then it has no bearing, and shouldn't be mentioned. 2. Ferrari better than Dendi is an opinion, not a fact. 3. So in essence this is you not liking the casts of the caster that has brought the most casts by far, most watched, and having been invited to two TIs by Valve, on the basis you do not find him competent. 4. Think you proved my point. Kind of funny you would vote for V1lat, but not Tobi, when they are casters in the same vein; entertainers.
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On January 19 2013 00:27 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2013 20:34 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 18 2013 17:13 teapoted wrote:On January 18 2013 14:42 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 18 2013 09:54 Unleashing wrote:On January 18 2013 08:22 Dracolich70 wrote: A bit China-centric.
And how can Tobi not win? For LD? Well of course it's china-centric when they have proven to be the better players. Have they? And how tobi didn't win? As has already been pointed out it's a combination of LD improving loads, becoming a great caster while tobi hasn't really improven at all and the whole TI2 controversy and so on. He hasn't proven to be professional as a caster at all. So one that has improved more must win? Tobi has been the backbone of the growth of Dota all year. TI2 controversy, hehe. Of course Tobi was pissed. He has the knowledge of what games turns out good, and had done the most for the growth of DotA, including casting TI1. Tobi not professional? He has casted when very sick. Has casted more games/tournaments than anyone. Always gives 100%, to the point where it is no longer healthy. Since this nomination is so TI2-centric, just listen to the casts of Tobi in those, and compare it with the others. Tobi makes those games even more memorable. It's been explained a few times already. Doesn't make it more educated. Casting games while sick just demonstrates jD's incompetence. If people want to really believe they're doing so much for the scene how can they have the biggest channel for over a year and still only support one caster? No one is questioning Tobi's dedication but dedication doesn't make you any more intelligent or good at your job. It doesn't make you more receptive to the community. The question was whether or not he was professional, not jD. If it was a popularity contest, Tobi would definitively win too. That a vocal minority for some odd reason find it prober to show their disliking, is the typical rebel without a cause-behaviour, for someone popular. That Tobi is not given the prize, can only be a personal insult. He has paved the way for so many other casters, and has casted more than twice the second in line with more viewers than anyone. Are you saying Tobi is not competent at his job? The vocal minority dislike Tobi because he's popular? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=390397You can read through those picks and see for yourself, and I'm sure I could dig up reddit threads with 95% of people saying they prefer LD. And the GosuGamers awards 'also' gave it to LD. That's a pretty large minority, and if you think they're all children who think they're being 'rebels' then I'd suggest you go back to joinDota where the adults hang out. And the non-vocal majority I suppose are the people who voted for Na'Vi to win everything in the gosugamers awards, so they're not really worth listening to because they have no understanding of the game and just latch on to celebrities. Yes, the vocal minority. The majority watches Tobis casts, which the numbers clearly show. Think you too proved my point.
PS Kind of funny you would say I should go back to jD, when I registered here a year before on jD, and over a year before you, while you registered to jD before TL.
Dracolich, just throwing in there some food for thought, you are defending that he is professional while leaving games uncovered when he had a clear assignment is obviously unprofessional.
Btw not liking tobi has nothing to do with being rebel, you are just throwing something random and hoping everyone agrees with you. I don't like Tobi because and don't think his tone brings excitement, he casts games in the same fashion for quite some time, using the same tricks over and over(BLACKHOOOOOOLLLEEE for every blackhole to mention one). The production linked to jD is also not evolving, which makes his casting worst because he is the one using jD's production.
You do have a point that he is a good caster otherwise he wouldn't have a very solid fanbase but please, think a bit more before saying that if you dislike Tobi's casting, you are a rebel. Tobi is all about excitement. I have proven the professionalism of Tobi. You bring up an incident of which Tobi has apologized, whether or not he agreed with it. Which is also professional.
I agree on jD, but that means very little in relation to Tobi, who has brought so much content for the community and helped with the growth of DotA. In a year, where Tobi pretty much was the driving force of DotA from January to December, providing casts for the 4 biggest tournaments, it is a mockery giving it to someone who has done so little in comparison.
Personally I like Draskyl the most, but I would be an idiot pointing to him as caster of the year.
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it is a mockery giving it to someone who has done so little in comparison. Is making a mockery of what LD has done for the community this year.
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On January 19 2013 20:26 Firebolt145 wrote:Don't want to join in but Is making a mockery of what LD has done for the community this year. Not at all. Tobi has just done so much more.
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tobi has cast 3 and a minute part of a fourth of the 5 biggest tournaments of the year and ld 3, along with ti2 finals, so theyre actually quite comparable there
id say the overall contribution is around the same
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On January 19 2013 20:32 Kupon3ss wrote: tobi has cast 3 and a minute part of a fourth of the 5 biggest tournaments of the year and ld 3, along with ti2 finals, so theyre actually quite comparable there
id say the overall contribution is around the same Tobi has cast pretty much every tournament there is, including those tournaments created by jD themselves - from January to December. He provides high level tournament Dota pretty much every day.
Defence Masters ESWC G-League TI Starladder DreamHack.
Tobi is far and beyond LD in terms of contribution.
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g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts
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Yes, the vocal minority. The majority watches Tobis casts, which the numbers clearly show. Think you too proved my point. Way to show that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
G-League numbers for BTS were triple what they were for jD. That's the only direct comparison we have.
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On January 19 2013 21:05 Kupon3ss wrote: g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts I assume that inviting the best teams of NA and EU is considered high level tournament dota. And Masters including the best teams of China and SEA. If there is a joke somewhere, I believe it is on you.
LD started with his high level casts in July. Tobi did it all year. LD has about 200 tournament videos. Tobi has over a 1000.
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On January 19 2013 21:07 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +Yes, the vocal minority. The majority watches Tobis casts, which the numbers clearly show. Think you too proved my point. Way to show that you clearly don't know what you're talking about. G-League numbers for BTS were triple what they were for jD. That's the only direct comparison we have. No, we have the numbers Tobi brings nearly each day. You have already proven my point.
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On January 19 2013 21:19 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 21:05 Kupon3ss wrote: g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts I assume that inviting the best teams of NA and EU is considered high level tournament dota. And Masters including the best teams of China and SEA. LD started with his high level casts in July. Tobi did it all year. LD has about 200 tournament videos. Tobi has over a 1000. I don't know the point in talking about who casts the most. Obviously Tobi does because he's a full-time salaried caster who needs to keep viewers on the channel to keep the business afloat. So if they were giving out the 'who casts the most games' award, I'm sure he'll be highly considered, but they're not.
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On January 19 2013 21:24 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 21:19 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:05 Kupon3ss wrote: g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts I assume that inviting the best teams of NA and EU is considered high level tournament dota. And Masters including the best teams of China and SEA. LD started with his high level casts in July. Tobi did it all year. LD has about 200 tournament videos. Tobi has over a 1000. I don't know the point in talking about who casts the most. Obviously Tobi does because he's a full-time salaried caster who needs to keep viewers on the channel to keep the business afloat. So if they were giving out the 'who casts the most games' award, I'm sure he'll be highly considered, but they're not. You should know the point by now; contribution to the growth of DotA. As said, Tobi paved the way for casters such as LD, which the timeline clearly indicates. Tobi is by far the most important figure being the driving force of the growth of DotA - all year.
Him being full-time salaried caster, does little to help you in any context.
Yes, content, popularity, numbers, most represented, pro-caster means little to you. Your opinion of whom you like the most is the best indicator, just because, and so said a 3 page TL thread, which of course is by no means a vocal minority of the tens of thousands that watch Tobi on a daily basis.
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On January 19 2013 21:47 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 21:24 teapoted wrote:On January 19 2013 21:19 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:05 Kupon3ss wrote: g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts I assume that inviting the best teams of NA and EU is considered high level tournament dota. And Masters including the best teams of China and SEA. LD started with his high level casts in July. Tobi did it all year. LD has about 200 tournament videos. Tobi has over a 1000. I don't know the point in talking about who casts the most. Obviously Tobi does because he's a full-time salaried caster who needs to keep viewers on the channel to keep the business afloat. So if they were giving out the 'who casts the most games' award, I'm sure he'll be highly considered, but they're not. You should know the point by now; contribution to the growth of DotA. As said, Tobi paved the way for casters such as LD, which the timeline clearly indicates. Tobi is by far the most important figure being the driving force of the growth of DotA - all year. Him being full-time salaried caster, does little to help you in any context. I know the point, but the point isn't especially convincing.
You keep on saying paved the way, but 'paving the way' by 'being popular' isn't especially impressive. People should never get an award just for being popular.
And you can't on one side say it's irrelevant he's a full-time caster, and then say he's the biggest driving force of the growth of DotA. Because without jD he wouldn't be. jD doesn't just allow him to cast as much as he does, it basically forces him to.
Yes, content, popularity, numbers, most represented, pro-caster means little to you. Your opinion of whom you like the most is the best indicator, just because, and so said a 3 page TL thread, which of course is by no means a vocal minority of the tens of thousands that watch Tobi on a daily basis. And if you want to see the results of the popularity contest go to: http://gosugamers.net/dota2/features/3112
Along with best everything: 'Every member of Na'Vi'. The 'silent majority' doesn't know anything about Dota and only care about celebrity, this is TL, so the opinions of those who post on TL is more relevant.
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On January 19 2013 21:57 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 21:47 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:24 teapoted wrote:On January 19 2013 21:19 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:05 Kupon3ss wrote: g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts I assume that inviting the best teams of NA and EU is considered high level tournament dota. And Masters including the best teams of China and SEA. LD started with his high level casts in July. Tobi did it all year. LD has about 200 tournament videos. Tobi has over a 1000. I don't know the point in talking about who casts the most. Obviously Tobi does because he's a full-time salaried caster who needs to keep viewers on the channel to keep the business afloat. So if they were giving out the 'who casts the most games' award, I'm sure he'll be highly considered, but they're not. You should know the point by now; contribution to the growth of DotA. As said, Tobi paved the way for casters such as LD, which the timeline clearly indicates. Tobi is by far the most important figure being the driving force of the growth of DotA - all year. Him being full-time salaried caster, does little to help you in any context. I know the point, but the point isn't especially convincing. Yet you asked for it. Now you know it, yet you find it unconvincingly, as opposed to your no-points.
You keep on saying paved the way, but just 'paving the way' by 'being popular' isn't especially impressive. People should never get an award just for being popular. Popular is often an indicator of doing something right, except to a vocal minority, which is always born from rebels without a cause. I think you tried to make a point saying that LD was more popular by linking a 3 page thread from TL, and saying that 95% Redditors thinks LD is the best.
And you can't on one side say it's irrelevant he's a full-time caster, and then say he's the biggest driving force of the growth of DotA. Because without jD he wouldn't be. jD doesn't just allow him to cast as much as he does, it basically forces him to. Reading must be hard. I never said it was irrelevant he was a full-time caster, just that it didn't help you in any context. Him being "forced" to(I am sure he wants to, since he is very passionate about casting to the point where he suffered physically) to cast many games, does also little to help you in any context, on the contrary.
And if you want to see the results of the popularity contest go to: http://gosugamers.net/dota2/features/3112Along with best everything: 'Every member of Na'Vi'. The 'silent majority' doesn't know anything about Dota and only care about celebrity, this is TL, so the opinions of those who post on TL is more relevant. Yet you talk about Reddit, and Gosugamers.
Not sure of your point here: "Community Poll Winner: TobiWan Community Poll Runner up: LD". Yet a minority chose LD as a winner, and Tobi not even considered runner-up.
Not sure of any of your points tbh.
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On January 19 2013 22:06 Dracolich70 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 21:57 teapoted wrote:On January 19 2013 21:47 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:24 teapoted wrote:On January 19 2013 21:19 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:05 Kupon3ss wrote: g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts I assume that inviting the best teams of NA and EU is considered high level tournament dota. And Masters including the best teams of China and SEA. LD started with his high level casts in July. Tobi did it all year. LD has about 200 tournament videos. Tobi has over a 1000. I don't know the point in talking about who casts the most. Obviously Tobi does because he's a full-time salaried caster who needs to keep viewers on the channel to keep the business afloat. So if they were giving out the 'who casts the most games' award, I'm sure he'll be highly considered, but they're not. You should know the point by now; contribution to the growth of DotA. As said, Tobi paved the way for casters such as LD, which the timeline clearly indicates. Tobi is by far the most important figure being the driving force of the growth of DotA - all year. Him being full-time salaried caster, does little to help you in any context. I know the point, but the point isn't especially convincing. Yet you asked for it. Now you know it, yet you find it unconvincingly, as opposed to your no-points. Show nested quote +You keep on saying paved the way, but just 'paving the way' by 'being popular' isn't especially impressive. People should never get an award just for being popular. Popular is often an indicator of doing something right, except to a vocal minority. Show nested quote +And you can't on one side say it's irrelevant he's a full-time caster, and then say he's the biggest driving force of the growth of DotA. Because without jD he wouldn't be. jD doesn't just allow him to cast as much as he does, it basically forces him to. Reading must be hard. I never said it was irrelevant he was a full-time caster, just that it didn't help you in any context. Him being "forced" to(I am sure he wants to, since he is very passionate about casting to the point where he suffered physically) to cast many games, does also little to help you in any context, on the contrary. You're just being obnoxious now. If you say 'little to help you in any context', it means it's irrelevant to my argument.
And popularity is not a sign of quality, it's quite separate in all industries. I only made the point a lot of people would vote for LD because you seemed to believe everyone outside of these 'rebels' would vote for Tobi.
Anyway I'm done with this stupid argument, if you can argue about Sayuri for so long (knew I recognized the name somewhere) I don't want to know how long this could last for. You've made your point, people get it. People disagree, they think the actual quality of cast from another is superior and they weigh the multiple negatives and lowpoints of people against them. They're not being petulant children who just 'want to be different' by not saying they prefer the most popular person. If you believe there's some gross injustice being done then I'm sure you're more than welcome to make your own awards or write an article about it.
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On January 19 2013 19:55 Dracolich70 wrote: 1. You gave it as one of the reasons, while you thought Tobi had stagnated. If it has no significance for the reason why LD should be picked over someone such as Tobi, then it has no bearing, and shouldn't be mentioned. 2. Ferrari better than Dendi is an opinion, not a fact. 3. So in essence this is you not liking the casts of the caster that has brought the most casts by far, most watched, and having been invited to two TIs by Valve, on the basis you do not find him competent. 4. Think you proved my point. Kind of funny you would vote for V1lat, but not Tobi, when they are casters in the same vein; entertainers. 1: No, i said that LD had shown a lot more improvements than tobi while tobi hadn't improved at all, as in, LD has surpassed tobi. 2: Lol. Okay, if you really believe that. 3: Nice reading comprehension, and he was invited to TI2 but was denied the finals because of his own incompetence. Also quantity =/= quality. If you think being popular is ANY indicator of something being good, then you are dillusional. Casting more does not give you the rights to be the caster of the year, being the better caster does. 4: Yes but v1lat didn't fuck up the way tobi did, now did he? V1lat remained professional even when accused of doing a lot of shady shit. And he casted the games assigned to him making sure to please valve and viewers. Tobi went ahead and said "fuck it i'm better qualified to decide what games i should cast" leaving games without any english commentary at all. Games that I personally was very interested in seeing, and i'm sure others felt the exact same way, thus the huge outburst about it back then.
And just like others, i'm done here. The gosugamers awards had the community vote na'vi in at every single award they possibly could, popularity =/= quality.
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On January 19 2013 22:18 teapoted wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2013 22:06 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:57 teapoted wrote:On January 19 2013 21:47 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:24 teapoted wrote:On January 19 2013 21:19 Dracolich70 wrote:On January 19 2013 21:05 Kupon3ss wrote: g-1 and tobi casted like 1/4 of g-league, hopping on the bandwagon when he realized he was missing out on the second biggest tournament of the year only to be beaten by far superior castibg and production
and i hope youre joking if you consider the defense, eswc, and masters "high level dota"
unless your criteria for high level dota is anything tobi casts I assume that inviting the best teams of NA and EU is considered high level tournament dota. And Masters including the best teams of China and SEA. LD started with his high level casts in July. Tobi did it all year. LD has about 200 tournament videos. Tobi has over a 1000. I don't know the point in talking about who casts the most. Obviously Tobi does because he's a full-time salaried caster who needs to keep viewers on the channel to keep the business afloat. So if they were giving out the 'who casts the most games' award, I'm sure he'll be highly considered, but they're not. You should know the point by now; contribution to the growth of DotA. As said, Tobi paved the way for casters such as LD, which the timeline clearly indicates. Tobi is by far the most important figure being the driving force of the growth of DotA - all year. Him being full-time salaried caster, does little to help you in any context. I know the point, but the point isn't especially convincing. Yet you asked for it. Now you know it, yet you find it unconvincingly, as opposed to your no-points. You keep on saying paved the way, but just 'paving the way' by 'being popular' isn't especially impressive. People should never get an award just for being popular. Popular is often an indicator of doing something right, except to a vocal minority. And you can't on one side say it's irrelevant he's a full-time caster, and then say he's the biggest driving force of the growth of DotA. Because without jD he wouldn't be. jD doesn't just allow him to cast as much as he does, it basically forces him to. Reading must be hard. I never said it was irrelevant he was a full-time caster, just that it didn't help you in any context. Him being "forced" to(I am sure he wants to, since he is very passionate about casting to the point where he suffered physically) to cast many games, does also little to help you in any context, on the contrary. You're just being obnoxious now. If you say 'little to help you in any context', it means it's irrelevant to my argument. It means that it actually causes your "arguments" to be weaker. The only obnoxious is you. You present a poor case, obstruct it with things that makes your case weaker, and mine stronger.
And popularity is not a sign of quality, it's quite separate in all industries. I only made the point a lot of people would vote for LD because you seemed to believe everyone outside of these 'rebels' would vote for Tobi. Which I have so far proved to be true. Popularity is a sign that the most people think you are doing great. I have established that Tobi also provide more content by far. I have established that the high numbers equals pleased fan base. I have established that Tobi has done much more for the growth of DotA, than any other with his high number of content for the community. You on the other hand have done nothing but obstruct your own case with absolutely nothing going in a unison direction.
You have established that you think LD is higher quality, while thinking popularity means nothing, and bringing content for twice as long as LD. Tobi is not professional while being a full-time caster. Tobi is not receptive to the fan-base, while keeping the numbers up.
Anyway I'm done with this stupid argument, if you can argue about Sayuri for so long (knew I recognized the name somewhere) I don't want to know how long this could last for. You've made your point, people get it. People disagree, they think the actual quality of cast from another is superior and they weigh the multiple negatives and lowpoints of people against them. They're not being petulant children who just 'want to be different' by not saying they prefer the most popular person. If you believe there's some gross injustice being done then I'm sure you're more than welcome to make your own awards or write an article about it. If the vast majority tune into Tobi, then it must be a vast minority that thinks he is incompetent.
I do not mind you are leaving the debate. You decided to contest my post, and I defended my views. You on the other hand, were just all over the place, proving any points I had against you, and your content.
I know you know you are losing ground here, considering you felt the need to bring something up - totally unrelated to the topic - yet again.
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