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Braavos36362 Posts
The signed CJ Entus shirts are now up on ebay. The auctions will be live for the next 10 days.
The following four autographed shirts are up for grabs!
Note: All shirt fronts look like the shirt Xellos is wearing in the first image. The backs of the shirts are displayed in the preview images to show the signature of the players.
About Child’s Play
Since 2003, over 100,000 gamers worldwide have banded together through Child’s Play, a community based charity grown and nurtured from the game culture and industry. Over two million dollars in donations of toys, games, books and cash for sick kids in children’s hospitals across North America and the world have been collected since our inception. When gamers give back, it makes a difference!
Good luck to all!
More information about the CJ Entus Charity Auction can be found here
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Can't wait to see how high these go
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United States24342 Posts
WTF why start it at 50 what if it doesn't go up that high?
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On October 07 2008 06:32 micronesia wrote: WTF why start it at 50 what if it doesn't go up that high? It will go that high >_>
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 07 2008 06:32 micronesia wrote: WTF why start it at 50 what if it doesn't go up that high? In the event that the auction does not exceed the minimum bid, TeamLiquid will buy the shirt at the minimum listed price. Thank you for your concern.
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Calgary25938 Posts
Zero feedback? Fuck that. I don't trust the Dutch as is.
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United States24342 Posts
On October 07 2008 06:34 ChaosKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 06:32 micronesia wrote: WTF why start it at 50 what if it doesn't go up that high? It will go that high >_>
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First bid to Savior's shirt goes to >>>>ME<<<<
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United States12607 Posts
First bid on XellOs......lol I think it'll probably take about 5 minutes for me to get topped.
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United States20661 Posts
So basically nothing's going to happen for nine days
then on the last day hundreds of dollars +++
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aww man, I bid $100 and still got beat! =[
edit: okay I'm winning the savior shirt =]
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United States7488 Posts
I have ten days left to cherish them as my own...
unless of course I manage to win a couple of them.
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Baltimore, USA22222 Posts
Much's shirt was looking lonely so I placed a bid
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STOP BIDDING ON MUCH SHIRT PLEASE, I'M POOR
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all except for Iris's shirt is currently above $100...
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Too bad people always wait until the last few seconds to place their 'real bids.'
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nice I would like to see it go as high as possible
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See the problem with autographed shirts like this that you feel bad wearing them. You can't just wear something like this.
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question about bidding: if i put 150 for my maximum bid and it's 102.5 right now, will it input a bid of 150 or will it input 105 and keep bidding higher until it reaches my maximum.
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United States24342 Posts
On October 07 2008 07:34 geometryb wrote: question about bidding: if i put 150 for my maximum bid and it's 102.5 right now, will it input a bid of 150 or will it input 105 and keep bidding higher until it reaches my maximum. Latter.
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Are XellOs and sAviOr included in the XellOs shirt auction? The fourth image clearly implies they are.
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 07 2008 07:39 LonelyMargarita wrote: Are XellOs and sAviOr included in the XellOs shirt auction? The fourth image clearly implies they are. lol you're kidding right?
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United States24342 Posts
On October 07 2008 07:42 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 07:39 LonelyMargarita wrote: Are XellOs and sAviOr included in the XellOs shirt auction? The fourth image clearly implies they are. lol you're kidding right? You are asking if he is kidding that Korean citizens are included in a t-shirt auction?
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aww too expensive for me =(. gl to every1 bidding and to the charity.
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On October 07 2008 07:49 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 07:42 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 07 2008 07:39 LonelyMargarita wrote: Are XellOs and sAviOr included in the XellOs shirt auction? The fourth image clearly implies they are. lol you're kidding right? You are asking if he is kidding that Korean citizens are included in a t-shirt auction?
can I get one too?
how come there isn't a booth pic for savior in his auction!!
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On October 07 2008 07:49 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 07:42 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 07 2008 07:39 LonelyMargarita wrote: Are XellOs and sAviOr included in the XellOs shirt auction? The fourth image clearly implies they are. lol you're kidding right? You are asking if he is kidding that Korean citizens are included in a t-shirt auction?
You don't know if he is asking if he is kidding that Korean citizens are included in a t-shirt auction?
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United States24342 Posts
On October 07 2008 08:05 Cascade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 07:49 micronesia wrote:On October 07 2008 07:42 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 07 2008 07:39 LonelyMargarita wrote: Are XellOs and sAviOr included in the XellOs shirt auction? The fourth image clearly implies they are. lol you're kidding right? You are asking if he is kidding that Korean citizens are included in a t-shirt auction? You don't know if he is asking if he is kidding that Korean citizens are included in a t-shirt auction? Correct.
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At this moment, Much shirt is going for more than Savior's and Xellos'.
Thought I'd point that out before it changes (if it does..)
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I know G5 wont be able to afford one of these.
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My mom's a fucking idiot. She should've said: "You need to get a job so you can outbid a bunch of noobs and trolls on a progamer-autographed proteam t-shirt", because then I'd have gotten one tt.
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if there was a bisu or a midas or a boxer id drop my entire savings account but not for these noobs!
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On October 07 2008 08:39 rekluce wrote:if there was a bisu or a midas or a boxer id drop my entire savings account but not for these noobs!
Because we all know Midas has had a greater impact on Starcraft progaming than Savior. =P
I'm quite sure you're joking, but I figured I'd throw it out there regardless.
By the way, I think it's really great that these are being auctioned for charity. If I had the money to spare I'd be proud to throw a bid down for such a thing. This is a really great thing to be doing, guys. =)
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rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end
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On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end
I have all the money in the world to spend on these.. good luck to anyone else wanting them o_O
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Damn, I had 150 to spend and I already got beat...
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On October 07 2008 09:08 illeszt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end I have all the money in the world to spend on these.. good luck to anyone else wanting them o_O
if you really had all the money in the world to spend on these, why don't you just drop a gigantic bid now?
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On October 07 2008 09:20 poingy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:08 illeszt wrote:On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end I have all the money in the world to spend on these.. good luck to anyone else wanting them o_O if you really had all the money in the world to spend on these, why don't you just drop a gigantic bid now?
have you ever purchased anything on ebay before?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
yeah, for charity!
$2000 on each gogogogo
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On October 07 2008 09:22 illeszt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:20 poingy wrote:On October 07 2008 09:08 illeszt wrote:On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end I have all the money in the world to spend on these.. good luck to anyone else wanting them o_O if you really had all the money in the world to spend on these, why don't you just drop a gigantic bid now? have you ever purchased anything on ebay before?
of course I have, and if you're confident you're willing to pay more than anyone else, a gigantic bid would save you the trouble of having to look at it again.
.... of course this isn't entirely beneficial to your bank account, but it'd be wonderful for the charity.
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On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end In 9 days.
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On October 07 2008 09:33 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end In 9 days.
LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL that is hilarious, HAHAHAHA
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On October 07 2008 09:33 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end In 9 days.
ROFL
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On October 07 2008 08:55 illeszt wrote:lemme win plz
What did you buy for $2.98? o.o
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On October 07 2008 09:22 illeszt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:20 poingy wrote:On October 07 2008 09:08 illeszt wrote:On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end I have all the money in the world to spend on these.. good luck to anyone else wanting them o_O if you really had all the money in the world to spend on these, why don't you just drop a gigantic bid now? have you ever purchased anything on ebay before?
If the top bidders are intelligent, there is zero reward for bid sniping. It proxy bids for you, so you might as well put in your full amount as soon as the auction starts. Bid sniping is only beneficial when someone is retarded and enters a bid below what he's willing to spend. Since it's a second price auction, your bid doesn't affect what you pay.
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Much is higher then iris sigh... i like iris better thou. Thus everyone should
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On October 07 2008 10:06 LonelyMargarita wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:22 illeszt wrote:On October 07 2008 09:20 poingy wrote:On October 07 2008 09:08 illeszt wrote:On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end I have all the money in the world to spend on these.. good luck to anyone else wanting them o_O if you really had all the money in the world to spend on these, why don't you just drop a gigantic bid now? have you ever purchased anything on ebay before? If the top bidders are intelligent, there is zero reward for bid sniping. It proxy bids for you, so you might as well put in your full amount as soon as the auction starts. Bid sniping is only beneficial when someone is retarded and enters a bid below what he's willing to spend. Since it's a second price auction, your bid doesn't affect what you pay.
As an ebay buyer and seller for the past few years, I'm confident in saying that MOST people feel safer when bidding by sniping in the last few seconds than placing their bids days or even hours before the end of the auction. I am not totally disagreeing with you, just the part where you say there is zero reward for sniping. Sniping allows them time to think it over if they REALLY want to buy it or not; if they had placed their bids earlier they would have to commit to buying the item if they won (disregarding the bid retraction process).
Another plus to it is (assuming the auction price is very low at the moment) you want to purchase the item for the lowest amount possible. It is statistically proven that the more bids an item has, the more people it attracts (source: somewhere on eBay, I think it's the area where you input the starting price for auctions), so you wouldn't place a bid on it, fearing someone (with OCD) will come along and outbid you because they don't want you to get such a good deal on it if it were to end at the current bid.
You can also count on the chance that the other watchers might miss the end of the auction, so there are less people you are bidding against. This happened to me several times before TT.
Here's an example: Say you want to purchase a pair of jeans where the bid is at $1 with 4 hours left. Besides you, there are 3 other people watching who also want to buy it. Most of the time you would assume that there are people other than you that have their eyes on the item so you want to wait until the end to snipe it. Ok, so there's 2 minutes left in the auction and it's still at $1, one guy is not at home so he is missing the auction, another guy is reading this thread and forgot about the auction, the last guy is ready to bid the amount which is the lowest that he wants the item for, but still a reasonable amount to win the item.. let's say $15. That is NOT his maximum bid though, because he feels confident that he SHOULD win, since it is a fairly deserted auction with low bid count. Let's say he would actually pay up to $30 for it. He bids $15 when there are 10 seconds left, you click refresh and see this, then you bid $20 or whatever your max bid is when it's at 2-3 seconds left, the auction will then end at $16 or so. GG, he has no time to counter-bid or do anything but shit his pants (more incentive to buy new jeans).
I don't recommend this for items that you need ASAP or items that you will DIE FOR. However I would still recommend you to bid at least a few hours before the end, and not the week before.
On October 07 2008 09:59 Roxen000 wrote:What did you buy for $2.98? o.o
A cheap tie for this weekend, shipping was like $11 though. Would've been cheaper if I didn't need it so soon.
BREAKING NEWS: I just got outbid within 1 second of an auction end.. I bid at around 2-3 seconds left and it showed me as the highest bidder =[ stupid auction sniper services..
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Canada7170 Posts
Hooray for charity! Good luck to those bidding!
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United States17042 Posts
I'm glad that charity is going to get all the money. I wish I could afford...welll...any of them xD
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I'd laugh if someone made a bank loan to bid on these shirts... xD
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
WOW. Xellos = 300+ Savior = 200+ Much = 180+ Iris = 150+
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On October 07 2008 10:33 illeszt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 10:06 LonelyMargarita wrote:On October 07 2008 09:22 illeszt wrote:On October 07 2008 09:20 poingy wrote:On October 07 2008 09:08 illeszt wrote:On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end I have all the money in the world to spend on these.. good luck to anyone else wanting them o_O if you really had all the money in the world to spend on these, why don't you just drop a gigantic bid now? have you ever purchased anything on ebay before? If the top bidders are intelligent, there is zero reward for bid sniping. It proxy bids for you, so you might as well put in your full amount as soon as the auction starts. Bid sniping is only beneficial when someone is retarded and enters a bid below what he's willing to spend. Since it's a second price auction, your bid doesn't affect what you pay. As an ebay buyer and seller for the past few years, I'm confident in saying that MOST people feel safer when bidding by sniping in the last few seconds than placing their bids days or even hours before the end of the auction. I am not totally disagreeing with you, just the part where you say there is zero reward for sniping. Sniping allows them time to think it over if they REALLY want to buy it or not; if they had placed their bids earlier they would have to commit to buying the item if they won (disregarding the bid retraction process). Another plus to it is (assuming the auction price is very low at the moment) you want to purchase the item for the lowest amount possible. It is statistically proven that the more bids an item has, the more people it attracts (source: somewhere on eBay, I think it's the area where you input the starting price for auctions), so you wouldn't place a bid on it, fearing someone (with OCD) will come along and outbid you because they don't want you to get such a good deal on it if it were to end at the current bid. You can also count on the chance that the other watchers might miss the end of the auction, so there are less people you are bidding against. This happened to me several times before TT. Here's an example: Say you want to purchase a pair of jeans where the bid is at $1 with 4 hours left. Besides you, there are 3 other people watching who also want to buy it. Most of the time you would assume that there are people other than you that have their eyes on the item so you want to wait until the end to snipe it. Ok, so there's 2 minutes left in the auction and it's still at $1, one guy is not at home so he is missing the auction, another guy is reading this thread and forgot about the auction, the last guy is ready to bid the amount which is the lowest that he wants the item for, but still a reasonable amount to win the item.. let's say $15. That is NOT his maximum bid though, because he feels confident that he SHOULD win, since it is a fairly deserted auction with low bid count. Let's say he would actually pay up to $30 for it. He bids $15 when there are 10 seconds left, you click refresh and see this, then you bid $20 or whatever your max bid is when it's at 2-3 seconds left, the auction will then end at $16 or so. GG, he has no time to counter-bid or do anything but shit his pants (more incentive to buy new jeans). I don't recommend this for items that you need ASAP or items that you will DIE FOR. However I would still recommend you to bid at least a few hours before the end, and not the week before. Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:59 Roxen000 wrote:On October 07 2008 08:55 illeszt wrote:lemme win plz What did you buy for $2.98? o.o A cheap tie for this weekend, shipping was like $11 though. Would've been cheaper if I didn't need it so soon. BREAKING NEWS: I just got outbid within 1 second of an auction end.. I bid at around 2-3 seconds left and it showed me as the highest bidder =[ stupid auction sniper services..
Like I said, your example requires the other bidder to be stupid. In a well-advertised auction such as this, bidding will have no effect on exposure (and to be safe, you can bid on the last day/last few hours in a low-exposure auction). Bidding early also deters other bidders because they can see that the price is already high, and that many people want it, so they probably won't get it.
The only thing I really have an issue with is bidding in the last minute, especially more than once. You run the risk of a browser crash, a typo, or the server being too busy. A few people seem to think that your bid affects the price you pay, so they bid incrementally several times in the last minutes. It makes no sense, and risks them losing the auction because they wouldn't enter their highest amount. These are the "stupid" people that introduce small possible gain from sniping.
So there are a few fairly negligible drawbacks to bidding really early, just as there are to bidding really late. But there's also a small benefit to bidding very early, and a major risk in bidding very late. Bid in the mid-range to be safe, and early or mid for the highest expected profit.
Ebay should just switch to sealed bid auctions, so everyone would follow the "bid once with your maximum amount anytime after the auction starts" obvious strategy.
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illeszt I'm gonna have to disagree with you here...
When I go to bid on something, if it has more bids I assume more people are fighting over it and therefore I have a lesser chance of getting it. Thus I won't bid on it.
If I see something with only 1 bid I'll assume no one's fighting over it so i have a high chance of winning so i'll bid on that.
Thus the more bids the less likely people are to bid on it.
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What. The. Fuck.
I'm glad people care this Much about charity, but I want that damn shirt!
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It isn't even that it's $200.00, I expected it to be there, it's that there's still nine days left.
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On October 07 2008 06:34 ChaosKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 06:32 micronesia wrote: WTF why start it at 50 what if it doesn't go up that high? It will go that high >_> itll go higher. maybe 300+ higher. haha.and it does. take a look at xellos' shirt. jesus.. 355 atm.
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Yeah, that Xellos one is crazy. O.O;
I'm considering chasing the much shirt. If he drew a heart on the shirt that would have made it awesome.
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not enough money for the much shirt ((((
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On October 07 2008 13:35 GGQ wrote: total is $900 so far
wonder if it will go over 9000
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I'm just surprised how savior shirt isnt catching up to xellos and much is only 5 bucks off from savior wtf where is the love. All savior fans are poor?
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Braavos36362 Posts
savior was never known for his early game anyway, its the ebay equivalent of hive rushing
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Will his shirt show us the weak hive rush he displays now, or the pre-bisu one we all remember?
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How the hell is the XellOs shirt above the sAviOr shirt?
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On October 07 2008 14:54 Centric wrote: How the hell is the XellOs shirt above the sAviOr shirt?
Maybe Carlodaijin did it.
Has to do with WCG performance etc.
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On October 07 2008 14:54 Centric wrote: How the hell is the XellOs shirt above the sAviOr shirt? the ebay users that wanting the xellos shirt put higher bids in for that shirt than for the savior shirt
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On October 07 2008 14:56 Romanian from wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 14:54 Centric wrote: How the hell is the XellOs shirt above the sAviOr shirt? the ebay users that wanting the xellos shirt put higher bids in for that shirt than for the savior shirt
aka?
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$450+ for a t-shirt signed by a starcraft player...
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Highest is 355, not 450. O.O;;
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United States13896 Posts
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On October 07 2008 10:33 illeszt wrote: Here's an example: Say you want to purchase a pair of jeans where the bid is at $1 with 4 hours left. Besides you, there are 3 other people watching who also want to buy it. Most of the time you would assume that there are people other than you that have their eyes on the item so you want to wait until the end to snipe it. Ok, so there's 2 minutes left in the auction and it's still at $1, one guy is not at home so he is missing the auction, another guy is reading this thread and forgot about the auction, the last guy is ready to bid the amount which is the lowest that he wants the item for, but still a reasonable amount to win the item.. let's say $15. That is NOT his maximum bid though, because he feels confident that he SHOULD win, since it is a fairly deserted auction with low bid count. Let's say he would actually pay up to $30 for it. He bids $15 when there are 10 seconds left, you click refresh and see this, then you bid $20 or whatever your max bid is when it's at 2-3 seconds left, the auction will then end at $16 or so. GG, he has no time to counter-bid or do anything but shit his pants (more incentive to buy new jeans).
Only thing that shows is that the other three clearly made misstakes in choosing a sniping strategy.
I just got outbid within 1 second of an auction end.. I bid at around 2-3 seconds left and it showed me as the highest bidder =[ stupid auction sniper services..
And this shows that AT LEAST at you last sniping bid you should bid as much as you are ready to pay.
GL everyone, make Savior, Xellos, Iris and Much proud! Im sure someone will tell them what the shirt were sold for.
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On October 07 2008 09:33 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end In 9 days. hehehe.
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Braavos36362 Posts
update on current bid prices:
Xellos 405 Savior 300 Much 200 Iris 162
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Poor Iris.
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see this:
Donation Amount Amount Deducted From Donation $5-$49.99 20% of donation $50-$199.99 20% of the initial $49.99 donated ($10) + 15% of the remaining donation $200-$999.99 20% of the initial $49.99 donated ($10) + 15% of the initial $50-$199.99 donated ($32.50) + 10% of remaining donation
http://www.ebaygivingworks.com/ns/about-donationamount.html#deductions
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That's a rather large deduction, actually. Bigger than I was expecting.
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I tough they would go out at 80$ MAX ... men ppl are crazy
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If only they delivering to anything other then United states i would bid .
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On October 07 2008 19:21 Darusha wrote: If only they delivering to anything other then United states i would bid .
Start bidding, they deliver world wide.
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How can the xellos shirt be so high ._.? After so short a time. I wonder who is bidding :e
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Could be Carlodaijin.
He loves xellos or something because he won wcg right?
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Korea (South)1201 Posts
might be Xellos himself. he don't want anyone else to wear his signed shirt. my precious !
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Calgary25938 Posts
Half way to my prediction :D gogogo
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what was your prediction? o.o
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On October 07 2008 14:29 IzzyCraft wrote: I'm just surprised how savior shirt isnt catching up to xellos and much is only 5 bucks off from savior wtf where is the love. All savior fans are poor?
they would be if liquibet used real money
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dang 400 bucks so far on xellos
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now im out too, 200 is too MUCH for me ...
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who will buy those seriously, that is like stepping one step in the wrong direction :D
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w00t 400 bucks 9 days left.
You guys are charity lovers or sucky ebayers.
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Baltimore, USA22222 Posts
On October 07 2008 14:43 Hot_Bid wrote: savior was never known for his early game anyway, its the ebay equivalent of hive rushing
Hahahahaha
<3 HB
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Wow, never knew the Xellos shirt would sky-rocket like that, nice!
Count me out though, won't bid past $200.
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Belgium9937 Posts
On October 07 2008 21:34 spydernoob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 14:29 IzzyCraft wrote: I'm just surprised how savior shirt isnt catching up to xellos and much is only 5 bucks off from savior wtf where is the love. All savior fans are poor? they would be if liquibet used real money LOL
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All proceeds from these auctions will be donated directly to the Child’s Play Charity.
On October 07 2008 17:48 qet wrote:see this: Donation Amount Amount Deducted From Donation $5-$49.99 20% of donation $50-$199.99 20% of the initial $49.99 donated ($10) + 15% of the remaining donation $200-$999.99 20% of the initial $49.99 donated ($10) + 15% of the initial $50-$199.99 donated ($32.50) + 10% of remaining donation http://www.ebaygivingworks.com/ns/about-donationamount.html#deductions
i don't mean to be gay but it's good for people to know this. might even consider putting it into the OP, but w/e
Edit: I just want to be clear, this wasn't meant as a criticism, but on hindsight I can see how it sure as hell looks like a criticism. Bad decision on my part.
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 07 2008 23:37 a-game wrote:Show nested quote +All proceeds from these auctions will be donated directly to the Child’s Play Charity. i don't mean to be gay but it's good for people to know this. might even consider putting it into the OP, but w/e all proceeds are going to Child's Play, when you donate through MissionFish it takes percentages off every donation, it's not TL taking anything from it, so when we say all proceeds are going to the charity, that's what it means, as "proceeds" can mean the amount of profit over the % taken
we actually considered a lot of options for this and ebay came out to have a lot of positives despite their relatively large percentage taken since they use MissionFish, most of them being the bid system and ease of verifying buyers
as for criticizing MissionFish for taking such large percentages, that's another question altogether. but know that TL is taking nothing from this, not even cost of administering this whole thing. so the first statement you quoted is not inaccurate or deceptive.
those details are available to read in the auction (i mean, you found it right?) and i think it's fine that we don't have it in the OP. i think everyone knows that 100% of the purchase price will be going directly to Child's Play, as ebay takes some and MissionFish takes some. it's always like that if you don't donate directly to the charity.
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On October 07 2008 21:07 fw wrote:might be Xellos himself. he don't want anyone else to wear his signed shirt. my precious !
lol, maybe FBH will put a 10000$ bid on it just to make savior jealous
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oh no! what if firebathero finds out about this, i can see it now, for his next ceremony he wears sAviOr signed shirt after game. T____T.
btw its to expensive D: i want but cannot have
+ Show Spoiler +
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A lot of new ebay accounts bidding. Wonder if everyone will pay up if they win the bid.
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On October 08 2008 00:00 ShmotZ wrote:oh no! what if firebathero finds out about this, i can see it now, for his next ceremony he wears sAviOr signed shirt after game. T____T. btw its to expensive D: i want but cannot have + Show Spoiler + That would be a priceless ceremony LOL
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the people who are leading have (0)...
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On October 08 2008 01:54 Zalfor wrote: the people who are leading have (0)...
hopefully they made an account just to buy these shirts
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Savior took the lead!
$1220 total between the four now.
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I dont get how Iris can be so low, he's awesome!
it should be like this: Savior>Iris>Xellos>Much
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I have a suggestion.. reject all bids from buyers with 0 feedback. If they made a new account for bidding on these auctions, have them CONTACT YOU FIRST through ebay or PM on teamliquid. This will weed out the frauders.. I bet there are plenty of them.
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I think people are legitimately interested
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As an old eBay seller, I wouldn't trust 0 feedback users for such an ammount without any additional contact.
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On October 08 2008 04:44 MadNeSs wrote: I dont get how Iris can be so low, he's awesome!
it should be like this: Savior>Iris>Xellos>Much
more like savior > xellos > much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> iris
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These aren't random people, they're probably still all TL members at this point.
Anyone bidding w/low feedback can PM me their eBay account if they want credibility. :p
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 08 2008 05:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:yeah this is super sketchy seeing as how all top bidders currently have names following the formula of [letter]***[letter] that's way to sketchy to be a coincidence lol ebay hides the userids of bidders, everyone who bids will have a userid in that format, it just displays the first and last letter of your username
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On October 07 2008 06:39 micronesia wrote: Do you have a problem with romania ? >_>
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On October 08 2008 05:05 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2008 05:03 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:yeah this is super sketchy seeing as how all top bidders currently have names following the formula of [letter]***[letter] that's way to sketchy to be a coincidence lol ebay hides the userids of bidders, everyone who bids will have a userid in that format, it just displays the first and last letter of your username
it's not necessarily first and last letters. mine shows a letter from the middle of my ID +last.
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Braavos36362 Posts
oh sick, so it really is anonymous
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they're at least consistent about the usernames, so the same ID will be abbreviated the same way
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sigh... too much for the xellos shirt... i would pay $500+ for a Nal_rA shirt (if he still plays, i haven't heard of BW for like 2 years)
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yeah I've been buying stuff from eBay for a while as well, most sellers ask the 0 rating bidders to contact them first, if not they get taken off the list -_-
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United States24342 Posts
On October 08 2008 05:08 AndreiD wrote:Do you have a problem with romania ? >_> It's a joke about how several people from Romania all missed the sarcasm in some posts a while back, so people who missed sarcasm were subsequently referred to as Romanian. It's not a personal insult towards Romania although it insensitively seems like it :p
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On October 07 2008 09:33 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2008 09:05 KOFgokuon wrote: rofl 9 days left and already up to $200? when will this end In 9 days.
lol you know what i meant =p
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Watch out for BUYER scams. African countries are the most notorious but anyone can do this to you. They pay with Paypal or credit card and you get the notification they paid, but they soon cancel after and the canel shows up late after you already sent it. I would put some sorta hold after the auction.
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On October 08 2008 09:59 Instigata wrote: Watch out for BUYER scams. African countries are the most notorious but anyone can do this to you. They pay with Paypal or credit card and you get the notification they paid, but they soon cancel after and the canel shows up late after you already sent it. I would put some sorta hold after the auction. er... who would buyer scam for these? Yeah there awesome....to us...but...
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Iris and Much need more love
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On October 08 2008 07:07 micronesia wrote: It's a joke about how several people from Romania all missed the sarcasm in some posts a while back, so people who missed sarcasm were subsequently referred to as Romanian. It's not a personal insult towards Romania although it insensitively seems like it :p
Don't make us invade the US with our Soviet Era tanks, then you will ph34r us
Btw, it's great that TL has this charity event, it a very nice gesture.
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United States24342 Posts
On October 08 2008 11:16 AndreiD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2008 07:07 micronesia wrote: It's a joke about how several people from Romania all missed the sarcasm in some posts a while back, so people who missed sarcasm were subsequently referred to as Romanian. It's not a personal insult towards Romania although it insensitively seems like it :p Don't make us invade the US with our Soviet Era tanks, then you will ph34r us I hope they are waterproof unless you have boats too.
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We sold our navy to Iraq
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teamliquid is way too awesome.
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Haha I hope they don't use ebay.
If they do, we just got a lot more competition.
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Mostly exchange rate questions, someone saying to go get one signed in person (would be cheaper and makes a lot of sense for Koreans, since there are many fan meets), etc.
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saviors is already at 455$ lol
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I wish I had money right now, that Much shirt would be mine.... though I highly doubt I could fit into it >_<
LOL @ The ad btw. Fakesteve has competition!
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Calgary25938 Posts
Someone has so much cash they can buy the shirt and taunt people via the ad simultaneously.
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I'm just mad it redirected to google. I was hoping for something more shocking
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$4.20 for the ad - 1% of the shirt price, negligible.
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On October 08 2008 21:56 Chill wrote: Someone has so much cash they can buy the shirt and taunt people via the ad simultaneously.
I just see a blank ad :O
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United States17042 Posts
I can't see the ad either- Screenshot anyone?
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the saviour shirt is at $455 USD shitttttt
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On October 09 2008 00:16 TryThis wrote: the saviour shirt is at $455 USD shitttttt you mean shirttttt.
there is defiantly 2 tiers of these shirts. Savior/Xellos (~$400-450) and Much/Iris (~$200-250)
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I am sorry but this entire child's play "charity" thing is disgusting.
When my girlfriend saw the logo she began to get all upset and I was like "wtf is wrong?". I naturally assumed that the logo just implies that gamer's help children in need. Boy was I wrong.
In reality, the money raised is used to buy video games or entire consoles for children in hospitals in the USA (minority in canada/australia). When I checked up upon the subject I felt like in Matrix, going deeper and deeper inside the rabbit hole. ALL hospitals on the list are private clinics. Not a single free clinic. So basically, u are paying $ for children that, even fo US citizen standards, are not even close to the poorest of the poor. Of course we dont even have to argue about all the REALLY poor children outside the US, that will never see a hospital from inside and starve to death daily.
9 out of 80 million children in the USA are uninsured. These children are twice as likely to die than an insured child. Their overall treatment is significantly worse than that of an insured child. They sure as hell wont get an xbox 360 in their free clinic to help with the stay.
The ignorance and decadence of american society began to gradually bother me more as it reflected on tl.net more and more over the past 6 years. In the past week, with "flamebaiting" threads which find humor in mockery and now this "charity" auction which gives the money to relatively (in world-wide relations) wealthy children, so the difference to the really poor gets even bigger, my personal limit was reached. I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account.
Now people might say "its better than nothing" but in my eyes it is not. It belittles real charity. It helps people feel good about themselves, who really should not.
If you really want to make the world a better place and spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for charity, maybe you should spend it on people who REALLY are in need all over the world. Who will die otherwise, not endure some boredom in a hospital. Mind you even for US citizen standards, these children are not even at the bottom of society. Uninsured immigrant children are.
I spent almost half a day researching all that stuff so before you cry that I pull those facts out of my ass, here are the sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-01-uninsured-kids_x.htm http://www.medica.de/cipp/md_medica/custom/pub/content,lang,2/oid,25747/ticket,g_u_e_s_t/~/More_Immigrant_Children_Uninsured.html http://covertheuninsured.org/
Peace
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South Africa4316 Posts
On October 09 2008 00:49 children_in_need wrote:I am sorry but this entire child's play "charity" thing is disgusting. When my girlfriend saw the logo she began to get all upset and I was like "wtf is wrong?". I naturally assumed that the logo just implies that gamer's help children in need. Boy was I wrong. In reality, the money raised is used to buy video games or entire consoles for children in hospitals in the USA (minority in canada/australia). When I checked up upon the subject I felt like in Matrix, going deeper and deeper inside the rabbit hole. ALL hospitals on the list are private clinics. Not a single free clinic. So basically, u are paying $ for children that, even fo US citizen standards, are not even close to the poorest of the poor. Of course we dont even have to argue about all the REALLY poor children outside the US, that will never see a hospital from inside and starve to death daily. 9 out of 80 million children in the USA are uninsured. These children are twice as likely to die than an insured child. Their overall treatment is significantly worse than that of an insured child. They sure as hell wont get an xbox 360 in their free clinic to help with the stay. The ignorance and decadence of american society began to gradually bother me more as it reflected on tl.net more and more over the past 6 years. In the past week, with "flamebaiting" threads which find humor in mockery and now this "charity" auction which gives the money to relatively (in world-wide relations) wealthy children, so the difference to the really poor gets even bigger, my personal limit was reached. I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account. Now people might say "its better than nothing" but in my eyes it is not. It belittles real charity. It helps people feel good about themselves, who really should not. If you really want to make the world a better place and spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for charity, maybe you should spend it on people who REALLY are in need all over the world. Who will die otherwise, not endure some boredom in a hospital. Mind you even for US citizen standards, these children are not even at the bottom of society. Uninsured immigrant children are. I spent almost half a day researching all that stuff so before you cry that I pull those facts out of my ass, here are the sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-01-uninsured-kids_x.htmhttp://www.medica.de/cipp/md_medica/custom/pub/content,lang,2/oid,25747/ticket,g_u_e_s_t/~/More_Immigrant_Children_Uninsured.htmlhttp://covertheuninsured.org/Peace So you're saying that unless you send the money to starving children in Africa, you're doing more harm than good? Because if your argument is that we don't pay those who really need it, then that argument should be taken to its extreme. I come from Africa, and I see these starving children everyday, and yes, they do need money more desparately than some child with a chronic disease needs a playstation.
However, that does not mean that the child who spends hours, hundreds of hours, in hospital doesn't also need some form of education. Charity is about doing something good for someone who needs it, not only doing something good for those who need it the most. If we all lived 100% utilitarian lives then the world might have been a better place, but then neither of us would have internet, because the $50 it costs you to have internet per month, you could feed at least three children.
Charity is about giving some of your own resources to satisfy some need. Child's play is aimed at helping gamers be more charitable, and because of that we support their organization. By paying child's play we're not stopping world hunger or starvation, but we are making a few children's lives easier and better.
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On October 09 2008 01:10 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 00:49 children_in_need wrote:I am sorry but this entire child's play "charity" thing is disgusting. When my girlfriend saw the logo she began to get all upset and I was like "wtf is wrong?". I naturally assumed that the logo just implies that gamer's help children in need. Boy was I wrong. In reality, the money raised is used to buy video games or entire consoles for children in hospitals in the USA (minority in canada/australia). When I checked up upon the subject I felt like in Matrix, going deeper and deeper inside the rabbit hole. ALL hospitals on the list are private clinics. Not a single free clinic. So basically, u are paying $ for children that, even fo US citizen standards, are not even close to the poorest of the poor. Of course we dont even have to argue about all the REALLY poor children outside the US, that will never see a hospital from inside and starve to death daily. 9 out of 80 million children in the USA are uninsured. These children are twice as likely to die than an insured child. Their overall treatment is significantly worse than that of an insured child. They sure as hell wont get an xbox 360 in their free clinic to help with the stay. The ignorance and decadence of american society began to gradually bother me more as it reflected on tl.net more and more over the past 6 years. In the past week, with "flamebaiting" threads which find humor in mockery and now this "charity" auction which gives the money to relatively (in world-wide relations) wealthy children, so the difference to the really poor gets even bigger, my personal limit was reached. I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account. Now people might say "its better than nothing" but in my eyes it is not. It belittles real charity. It helps people feel good about themselves, who really should not. If you really want to make the world a better place and spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for charity, maybe you should spend it on people who REALLY are in need all over the world. Who will die otherwise, not endure some boredom in a hospital. Mind you even for US citizen standards, these children are not even at the bottom of society. Uninsured immigrant children are. I spent almost half a day researching all that stuff so before you cry that I pull those facts out of my ass, here are the sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-01-uninsured-kids_x.htmhttp://www.medica.de/cipp/md_medica/custom/pub/content,lang,2/oid,25747/ticket,g_u_e_s_t/~/More_Immigrant_Children_Uninsured.htmlhttp://covertheuninsured.org/Peace So you're saying that unless you send the money to starving children in Africa, you're doing more harm than good? Because if your argument is that we don't pay those who really need it, then that argument should be taken to its extreme. I come from Africa, and I see these starving children everyday, and yes, they do need money more desparately than some child with a chronic disease needs a playstation. However, that does not mean that the child who spends hours, hundreds of hours, in hospital doesn't also need some form of education. Charity is about doing something good for someone who needs it, not only doing something good for those who need it the most. If we all lived 100% utilitarian lives then the world might have been a better place, but then neither of us would have internet, because the $50 it costs you to have internet per month, you could feed at least three children. Charity is about giving some of your own resources to satisfy some need. Child's play is aimed at helping gamers be more charitable, and because of that we support their organization. By paying child's play we're not stopping world hunger or starvation, but we are making a few children's lives easier and better.
Yes I am saying u could and should spend the money for people who are more in need, like starving children in Africa. Why don't you? Do you really think the shirts would net less $ if the charity organization wasn't related to gaming?
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I don't really approve of the charity's choice either. And I agree with children_in_need that it diminishes much more important charity work, and makes us feel good about doing relatively little.
But the only thing I can say is that absent Child's Play, most gamers would never really donate anything. I would prefer that this charity had gone to UNICEF, or something along those lines - but the existence of worse problems shouldn't preclude us from solving smaller problems as well.
I'm disappointed that TL chose Child's Play, and would urge future charitable contributions to be directed towards somewhere else - but for now, in the end, Child's Play is still doing good. Somewhere out there, kids will be happier for TeamLiquid's efforts, and it seems callous to suggest that no one ought to help them until starvation / uninsuredness is eliminated.
EDIT: To make things clear: I don't agree with children_in_need that this is worse than nothing. I only agree with him that Child's Play tends to diminish the work of other, more important charities. I would have rather seen it go to another charity, but as the rest of my post says, I'm thrilled regardless that TL took the initiative of doing something like this in the first place.
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hm first of all I think that most of the gamers in this particular case dont really care where their money goes to. Imo it is not Child's Play, but a signed progamer shirt that makes these gamers spend money on charity. Secondly I can't really think of a good and satisfying answer why tl.net would choose Child's Play rather than UNICEF or smth tbh. Reading this made me sad 8[
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South Africa4316 Posts
On October 09 2008 01:29 children_in_need_2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 01:10 Daigomi wrote:On October 09 2008 00:49 children_in_need wrote:I am sorry but this entire child's play "charity" thing is disgusting. When my girlfriend saw the logo she began to get all upset and I was like "wtf is wrong?". I naturally assumed that the logo just implies that gamer's help children in need. Boy was I wrong. In reality, the money raised is used to buy video games or entire consoles for children in hospitals in the USA (minority in canada/australia). When I checked up upon the subject I felt like in Matrix, going deeper and deeper inside the rabbit hole. ALL hospitals on the list are private clinics. Not a single free clinic. So basically, u are paying $ for children that, even fo US citizen standards, are not even close to the poorest of the poor. Of course we dont even have to argue about all the REALLY poor children outside the US, that will never see a hospital from inside and starve to death daily. 9 out of 80 million children in the USA are uninsured. These children are twice as likely to die than an insured child. Their overall treatment is significantly worse than that of an insured child. They sure as hell wont get an xbox 360 in their free clinic to help with the stay. The ignorance and decadence of american society began to gradually bother me more as it reflected on tl.net more and more over the past 6 years. In the past week, with "flamebaiting" threads which find humor in mockery and now this "charity" auction which gives the money to relatively (in world-wide relations) wealthy children, so the difference to the really poor gets even bigger, my personal limit was reached. I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account. Now people might say "its better than nothing" but in my eyes it is not. It belittles real charity. It helps people feel good about themselves, who really should not. If you really want to make the world a better place and spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for charity, maybe you should spend it on people who REALLY are in need all over the world. Who will die otherwise, not endure some boredom in a hospital. Mind you even for US citizen standards, these children are not even at the bottom of society. Uninsured immigrant children are. I spent almost half a day researching all that stuff so before you cry that I pull those facts out of my ass, here are the sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-01-uninsured-kids_x.htmhttp://www.medica.de/cipp/md_medica/custom/pub/content,lang,2/oid,25747/ticket,g_u_e_s_t/~/More_Immigrant_Children_Uninsured.htmlhttp://covertheuninsured.org/Peace So you're saying that unless you send the money to starving children in Africa, you're doing more harm than good? Because if your argument is that we don't pay those who really need it, then that argument should be taken to its extreme. I come from Africa, and I see these starving children everyday, and yes, they do need money more desparately than some child with a chronic disease needs a playstation. However, that does not mean that the child who spends hours, hundreds of hours, in hospital doesn't also need some form of education. Charity is about doing something good for someone who needs it, not only doing something good for those who need it the most. If we all lived 100% utilitarian lives then the world might have been a better place, but then neither of us would have internet, because the $50 it costs you to have internet per month, you could feed at least three children. Charity is about giving some of your own resources to satisfy some need. Child's play is aimed at helping gamers be more charitable, and because of that we support their organization. By paying child's play we're not stopping world hunger or starvation, but we are making a few children's lives easier and better. Yes I am saying u could and should spend the money for people who are more in need, like starving children in Africa. Why don't you? Do you really think the shirts would net less $ if the charity organization wasn't related to gaming? It has nothing to do with the charity bringing in extra money, it has to do with Child's Play being a good organization, and being an organization aimed at bringing the best out of gamers. Child's Play is basically an organization that helps gamers rally together for a good cause, in this case, hunger. Because Child's Play is aimed at Gamers, we support Child's Play.
Sure we could have supported another charity, but then we would just be another group making a donation. With Child's Play, we as gamers get to give back to the community in a way which we can appreciate. We're sharing what we've enjoyed as children with those who need it. Sure, it's not curing starvation, but it's helping.
I honestly don't get how people can complain about a choice of charity. If we're all honest, none of us give enough money to charity. Do you know what it is like driving past groups of ten year old children every day, asking you for money? I'm not rich, but by giving those children $50, they can probably eat for a week, and it will only dip into my savings a little. Do I do it though? Occasionally, but not nearly as much as I should.
Why do I bring this up? Because charity is always voluntary from the person being charitable. Once you start criticizing people for the way in which they are charitable, then you yourself should be outside of criticism, and none of us are. Yes, we could have chosen another charity organization, yes, I can give more money to children in Africa, but TL's choice was to help a charity which they felt an affinity for, and my choice is to help out when I have money on me. Perhaps this isn't perfect to you, but TL chose something that they thought woudl be appreciated, and I definitely think that that's something that should not be criticized.
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 09 2008 00:49 children_in_need wrote: I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account. Just to comment on this, I think that comparing this forum to some oppressive regime is just ridiculous. If you voice your legitimate criticisms in a reasonable and non-incendiary way, like you did, nobody is going to ban you. I think posting "anonymously" and hiding your real id removes weight and significance from your criticism. But its your choice, just letting you know there's no way we would ban you for a post like yours.
Now people might say "its better than nothing" but in my eyes it is not. It belittles real charity. It helps people feel good about themselves, who really should not. As Daigomi said, all charity is not enough. There's always a better charity that you could donate more to. Is it some great injustice that people you feel "shouldn't feel good about themselves" because in your opinion they aren't donating to a charity you think is good enough? Are you really arguing that we'd all be better of not donating at all than donating to Child's Play?
If you really want to make the world a better place and spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for charity, maybe you should spend it on people who REALLY are in need all over the world. Who will die otherwise, not endure some boredom in a hospital. Mind you even for US citizen standards, these children are not even at the bottom of society. Uninsured immigrant children are. What if people actually want to donate to a charity that buys video games for sick children in hospitals? Isn't it your choice to donate to whatever charity you wish, just as you can buy whatever you want with your money? Just because its not a charity that benefits the people most in need, they deserve to be talked down to and criticized? You'd rather they just keep the money?
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Braavos36362 Posts
Look, I can choose what I want to do with my money. I can feel good about contributing to a cause that overall benefits sick children than hurts them. Who are you to say what I can or cannot do with my private funds and judge what choices I make, especially when these choices are done with good intent and for a cause that on base level helps children?
I do not believe you are in a position to judge someone who is donating to a charity that overall does good, and you definitely are not in a position to judge what TeamLiquid.net "owes" to charitable institutions in general. We picked a charity that has a connection with gamers; we are, after all, a gaming website. It makes sense we'd pick Child's Play. We are not a nonprofit organization bent on raising funds for many causes.
We're a gaming forum where kids come to discuss StarCraft. This is one of the first and best SC:BW community efforts to donate money, and should not be belittled because in your opinion "there are better charities out there." You have to look at the entire context of the community and history of contributions, and relative to that, this effort will at the very least make charitable contributions by gamers more high profile and thus is a step in the right direction. It's NOT hurting other charities because as Grinq said, without Child's Play gamers would largely not donate at all.
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id go $500 for savior....
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On October 09 2008 01:29 children_in_need_2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 01:10 Daigomi wrote:On October 09 2008 00:49 children_in_need wrote:I am sorry but this entire child's play "charity" thing is disgusting. When my girlfriend saw the logo she began to get all upset and I was like "wtf is wrong?". I naturally assumed that the logo just implies that gamer's help children in need. Boy was I wrong. In reality, the money raised is used to buy video games or entire consoles for children in hospitals in the USA (minority in canada/australia). When I checked up upon the subject I felt like in Matrix, going deeper and deeper inside the rabbit hole. ALL hospitals on the list are private clinics. Not a single free clinic. So basically, u are paying $ for children that, even fo US citizen standards, are not even close to the poorest of the poor. Of course we dont even have to argue about all the REALLY poor children outside the US, that will never see a hospital from inside and starve to death daily. 9 out of 80 million children in the USA are uninsured. These children are twice as likely to die than an insured child. Their overall treatment is significantly worse than that of an insured child. They sure as hell wont get an xbox 360 in their free clinic to help with the stay. The ignorance and decadence of american society began to gradually bother me more as it reflected on tl.net more and more over the past 6 years. In the past week, with "flamebaiting" threads which find humor in mockery and now this "charity" auction which gives the money to relatively (in world-wide relations) wealthy children, so the difference to the really poor gets even bigger, my personal limit was reached. I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account. Now people might say "its better than nothing" but in my eyes it is not. It belittles real charity. It helps people feel good about themselves, who really should not. If you really want to make the world a better place and spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for charity, maybe you should spend it on people who REALLY are in need all over the world. Who will die otherwise, not endure some boredom in a hospital. Mind you even for US citizen standards, these children are not even at the bottom of society. Uninsured immigrant children are. I spent almost half a day researching all that stuff so before you cry that I pull those facts out of my ass, here are the sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-01-uninsured-kids_x.htmhttp://www.medica.de/cipp/md_medica/custom/pub/content,lang,2/oid,25747/ticket,g_u_e_s_t/~/More_Immigrant_Children_Uninsured.htmlhttp://covertheuninsured.org/Peace So you're saying that unless you send the money to starving children in Africa, you're doing more harm than good? Because if your argument is that we don't pay those who really need it, then that argument should be taken to its extreme. I come from Africa, and I see these starving children everyday, and yes, they do need money more desparately than some child with a chronic disease needs a playstation. However, that does not mean that the child who spends hours, hundreds of hours, in hospital doesn't also need some form of education. Charity is about doing something good for someone who needs it, not only doing something good for those who need it the most. If we all lived 100% utilitarian lives then the world might have been a better place, but then neither of us would have internet, because the $50 it costs you to have internet per month, you could feed at least three children. Charity is about giving some of your own resources to satisfy some need. Child's play is aimed at helping gamers be more charitable, and because of that we support their organization. By paying child's play we're not stopping world hunger or starvation, but we are making a few children's lives easier and better. Yes I am saying u could and should spend the money for people who are more in need, like starving children in Africa. Why don't you? Do you really think the shirts would net less $ if the charity organization wasn't related to gaming?
If you knew anything about economics, you'd realize giving hand outs to 3rd world countries like African nations destroys their local economies and makes them 100% dependent upon hand outs.
If you don't like the charity, don't bid on the shirts. Instead of wasting your time complaining on our forum (where you won't have any effect on anyone), go get a second job and donate all the money you make to starving children in Africa.
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On October 09 2008 01:29 children_in_need_2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 01:10 Daigomi wrote:On October 09 2008 00:49 children_in_need wrote:I am sorry but this entire child's play "charity" thing is disgusting. When my girlfriend saw the logo she began to get all upset and I was like "wtf is wrong?". I naturally assumed that the logo just implies that gamer's help children in need. Boy was I wrong. In reality, the money raised is used to buy video games or entire consoles for children in hospitals in the USA (minority in canada/australia). When I checked up upon the subject I felt like in Matrix, going deeper and deeper inside the rabbit hole. ALL hospitals on the list are private clinics. Not a single free clinic. So basically, u are paying $ for children that, even fo US citizen standards, are not even close to the poorest of the poor. Of course we dont even have to argue about all the REALLY poor children outside the US, that will never see a hospital from inside and starve to death daily. 9 out of 80 million children in the USA are uninsured. These children are twice as likely to die than an insured child. Their overall treatment is significantly worse than that of an insured child. They sure as hell wont get an xbox 360 in their free clinic to help with the stay. The ignorance and decadence of american society began to gradually bother me more as it reflected on tl.net more and more over the past 6 years. In the past week, with "flamebaiting" threads which find humor in mockery and now this "charity" auction which gives the money to relatively (in world-wide relations) wealthy children, so the difference to the really poor gets even bigger, my personal limit was reached. I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account. Now people might say "its better than nothing" but in my eyes it is not. It belittles real charity. It helps people feel good about themselves, who really should not. If you really want to make the world a better place and spend hundreds or even thousands of dollars for charity, maybe you should spend it on people who REALLY are in need all over the world. Who will die otherwise, not endure some boredom in a hospital. Mind you even for US citizen standards, these children are not even at the bottom of society. Uninsured immigrant children are. I spent almost half a day researching all that stuff so before you cry that I pull those facts out of my ass, here are the sources: http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-03-01-uninsured-kids_x.htmhttp://www.medica.de/cipp/md_medica/custom/pub/content,lang,2/oid,25747/ticket,g_u_e_s_t/~/More_Immigrant_Children_Uninsured.htmlhttp://covertheuninsured.org/Peace So you're saying that unless you send the money to starving children in Africa, you're doing more harm than good? Because if your argument is that we don't pay those who really need it, then that argument should be taken to its extreme. I come from Africa, and I see these starving children everyday, and yes, they do need money more desparately than some child with a chronic disease needs a playstation. However, that does not mean that the child who spends hours, hundreds of hours, in hospital doesn't also need some form of education. Charity is about doing something good for someone who needs it, not only doing something good for those who need it the most. If we all lived 100% utilitarian lives then the world might have been a better place, but then neither of us would have internet, because the $50 it costs you to have internet per month, you could feed at least three children. Charity is about giving some of your own resources to satisfy some need. Child's play is aimed at helping gamers be more charitable, and because of that we support their organization. By paying child's play we're not stopping world hunger or starvation, but we are making a few children's lives easier and better. Yes I am saying u could and should spend the money for people who are more in need, like starving children in Africa. Why don't you? Do you really think the shirts would net less $ if the charity organization wasn't related to gaming? First: What are you trying to prove by doing this? That TL is doing a bad thing by donating? That you are a martyr for all children by getting banned from a forum for bashing people who have come together to donate money to sick children? That you are so much better than TL because you donate to starving children in Africa? (after posting this, you better freaking donate the combined total of all of the shirts to Africa for criticizing the people who bought the shirts)
Second: Why are you complaining about Child's Play's system to TL? Isn't there someone else you can appeal to? (I don't know... maybe someone like CHILD'S PLAY?)
Third: Do these kids not deserve help? I understand there are kids who need help in Africa but you make it sound like it is a bad thing to help children in the U.S. The bottom line is that these kids are merely kids, and they are sick. If some twelve-year-old receives a copy of SC:BW with a TeamLiquid sticker on it (highly doubtful... but that's beside the point) and gets a boost in morale because of it that helps overcome his sickness, then we have done are jobs have we not? It's not like we are saying "Screw You" to all the kids in Africa by donating to kids in U.S. hospitals.
Fourth: Are you from gg.net? You seem like another TL BANS A LOT QQ guy who is just out to destroy TL's rep.
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I agree partly with both sides. I agree with Daigomi and Hotbid that any charity is better than no charity and TL's initiative to start this was great, you guys deserve all props for doing it. Thanks TL! But I also agree with our anonymous critic that Child's Play might be a bad choice for a charity fund, props to you for digging deeper into it than most of us and showing more than what's on the front page. Thanks unknown mister!
So maybe we should all learn a little lesson from this and be friends again Unknown critic will learn to be more polite and respect TL's initiative of at least trying to help. TL will learn to pick charity funds a little better for next time.
Deal? ^^
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Money spent on wars can be used to provide housing, food and cloths to the poor. Theres always a better place for spent money somewhere but if you always spent on that nothing else would have any money
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
it always seems weird to me how few people donate to charity, and then on top of that how many people voice their criticisms over certain charitable actions
the alternative to this project was to sell 4 more cj shirts to random members here. this is a good thing, nothing less.
-liquid`zephyr
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children_in_need is right so get off his ass!
It's true that whoever you donate do, basically, you are doing a good thing, but it's clear as day that Child's Play is not in the Top 50 of the 'best' charities you could've donated to...
I guess someone thought it'd be logical to donate to a gaming related charity, but I bet your ass that none of the bids for those shirts didn't happen because it goes to Child's play. In fact, if it was unicef, or some kind of Cancer association, I'm pretty sure you'd get at least one hesitant person bidding purely for that reason.
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 09 2008 06:27 niteReloaded wrote: children_in_need is right so get off his ass!
It's true that whoever you donate do, basically, you are doing a good thing, but it's clear as day that Child's Play is not in the Top 50 of the 'best' charities you could've donated to...
I guess someone thought it'd be logical to donate to a gaming related charity, but I bet your ass that none of the bids for those shirts didn't happen because it goes to Child's play. In fact, if it was unicef, or some kind of Cancer association, I'm pretty sure you'd get at least one hesitant person bidding purely for that reason. We're not a large corporation, nor are our users a bunch of billionaire philanthropists. It's kind of cool that theres a charity that buys games for sick kids to play, because its something we're passionate about: games. We're a community of gamers.
Sure, there are plenty of charities that may make more efficient use of the money. Your logic about us wrongly choosing Child's Play is flawed though. Would you criticize Michael Jordan for running a basketball clinic for kids when he could be harvesting crops in Africa? What if Bill Gates wanted to buy laptops for poor schools in America when he could be rebuilding homes in China after the earthquake?
Certainly there will always be "better" thing to do and affects more people with greater needs, but people donate and pick causes for a reason. It's not unreasonable that a gaming forum donates to a gaming related charity. It's the same as any person choosing to donate to a cause that they are passionate about, and that should not be judged and criticized in the way you are doing.
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Osaka26959 Posts
Wow. Just wow. People criticizing the choice of charity now. And not even the troll, but people who I respected too.
I'm at a loss for words.
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Braavos36362 Posts
niteReloaded, you are really agreeing with him?
he called this auction "disgusting" and that donating to child's play is worse than not donating at all. you really support this position?
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Osaka26959 Posts
On October 09 2008 02:20 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 00:49 children_in_need wrote: I have to vent this off, even though I am fully aware that this account will get banned and this post most likely get nuked, just like a critic in a totalitarian regime most likely gets imprisoned or killed. Maybe thats why I didnt post on my real account. Just to comment on this, I think that comparing this forum to some oppressive regime is just ridiculous. If you voice your legitimate criticisms in a reasonable and non-incendiary way, like you did, nobody is going to ban you. I think posting "anonymously" and hiding your real id removes weight and significance from your criticism. But its your choice, just letting you know there's no way we would ban you for a post like yours.
I would totally ban him for it. Spineless entities are always banned. Isn't the unofficial eleventh commandment that you must have vertebra?
Besides, the whole argument is flawed. It is basically saying that children who are in clinics should not get any charity until all the uninsured kids get brought to their level, all the kids in Africa get to their level, and all the other "more important" problems of the world get solved too.
I suggest our anonymous troll go spend some time in a children's hospital like my daughter did in January. Then he will realize that it is not about your perceived bias and level of importance, it is about difference making. Saying we aren't making the "right kind" of difference is the type of narrow-minded thinking that creates problems, not helps them.
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TL.net: Killing starving children since 2002.
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Braavos36362 Posts
You'd think someone so "informed" would consider the true cost of his post, which is basically trying killing the sentiment and enthusiasm behind the auction and discourage people from donating. Let's turn the thread into a debate about which charity is best! That surely will help the plight of kids everywhere.
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I probly should state my opinion a bit clearer.
If I picked the charity, I'd very likely pick a different one.
However, I don't agree with the level/type of criticism on this choice. Like I said to HotBid, I don't think our critic sincerely means all his word; in my opinion, the extra spicy words were an attempt to draw some attention.. it's all benign in my opinion.
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United States7488 Posts
On October 07 2008 19:21 Darusha wrote: If only they delivering to anything other then United states i would bid . We will ship internationally.
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16927 Posts
On October 09 2008 07:35 niteReloaded wrote: in my opinion, the extra spicy words were an attempt to draw some attention.. it's all benign in my opinion.
Bullshit. He's very obviously trying to dampen enthusiasm for the auction. For example, if you were running an auction and someone posts all over the public comment space that the proceeds you would get are actually going to be used to make a machine that kill baby deer and make them into earmuffs, and that he had "credible sources" and did his "research" and sites three articles which really have nothing to do with the issue at hand, would that really be benign?
The fact of the matter is, it appears that he's trying to dissuade people from participating in the auction, or at least to second guess themselves. It's almost like he considers himself some sort of absolute authority on morals and is telling people that if he doesn't agree with the charity, then fuck it, no one should donate at all.
What a fucking retard. At least grow a pair and don't hide behind some useless aka..."children_in_need"? Why don't you go and take out a second mortgage on your house, give it all to whatever charity you deem appropriate, fly over to Africa and spend the rest of your life building hospitals for dying children. Or are they not needy enough to warrant that from you?
Asshole.
EDIT: Oh, uh...my post sort of turned into a rant on children_in_need. I think why I quoted niteReloaded was to just disagree with him, and then I kind of got worked up and started talking about children_in_need. So yeah, I'm not attacking niteReloaded. Haha :D
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Osaka26959 Posts
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Wow Manifesto, thats awesome.
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gah. people will read all of that idiot's posts (referring to children_in_need or w.e). that just ruins the mood and might sway away people who might potentially donate. can we hide them or is that unethical?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
i'm pretty sure anyone who reads his post is gonna be able to figure out that he's a retard
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On October 09 2008 10:30 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: i'm pretty sure anyone who reads his post is gonna be able to figure out that he's a retard
and If they don't, they probably aren't smart enough to figure out how to bid anyways. It's a win-win situation.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
1300 could have bought us alot of booze....shit
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What me and niteReloaded (I think we share the same opinion) are saying is just that instead of bashing the guy who made the critics (tho he should have been more respectful and comprehensible) aimlessly we should try to find a bright side in every little thing and take only the good side of his argument. So instead of leaving this discussion with nothing but a headache, we could leave with a new lesson learned that we could use to improve ourselves.
Of course that a donation to child's play is better than no donation to child's play. But maybe, if we ever get the chance to do something similar to this again, we should just look a little bit deeper into donation options. The critic guy should also learn and be more polite to TL.
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On October 09 2008 07:06 SonuvBob wrote: TL.net: Killing starving children since 2002.
I never realized how much I was missing out by not finding TL earlier until this auction.
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455 for savior..
nice
Edit: ah apparently that's old news. also good that blizzard gave a shoutout to this
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First of all I'd like to apologize for my argument that donating nothing at all is better than donating to Child's Play. As niteReloaded pointed out, it was partly due to the fact that I wanted to put some "spice" into my post and provoke some thinking on the matter. Partly it was due to the fact I am a person who gets really emotionally worked up on moral issues and after I had spent hours researching the US health care system and checking every single hospital donated to by Child's Play, finding out they are all private, I was heated up. After a good night's rest and some distance to the topic, I think we can all agree on the fact that donating money is always better than not donating any money at all.
I regret having posted this part, because many people took it out of context and solely responded to that (flawed) part of my post. I also don't feel morally superior or am saying that I am a morally perfect person, although I try to live up to my own moral standards as much as I can. I could go into detail on that, but it would further distract from my core argument and I dont want this discussion to be about my person, or any person at all to be specific. If you think its hippocritic than so be it, but imo its no more hippocritic than critizising a politic for his actions when u sit on your comfy chair and aren't politically involved and active member of a political organization or than FakeSteve critizising progamers on powerrank. If criticism like this wouldn't be tolerated our society would be pretty backwards.
My core argument, like people as GrInq obviously have understood, is just that I think that tl.net could have done much better by spending to a more "deserving "(in lack of a better word) charity. I think the argument that this is a gaming website and thus needs to donate to a gaming related charity organization is flawed. Maybe we can relate better to a gruesome hospital stay which was made better for us when we could play on our gameboy (In fact I had such a stay in a hospital as a child). But I would be ashamed of myself If that would mean I couldn't feel more pity for someone not being born in a wealthy country and starving to death, or some immigrant child being refused proper treatment cus of uninsuredness. In fact, again like others said, a ton of people come to mind that need help more than a kid needs a videogame in a hospital. If I would not have had the chance to play a videogame as a kid in hospital because some donators decided to give it to those people, I certainly would have understood and approved of their decision when I had grewn up. In moral issues, I think we should consider ourselves humans first and foremost and not gamers.
Here is a story which probably helps further explaining my standpoint: My aunt and uncle are veterinarians. They are at the receiving end of charity coming from rich widows of their city, which pay for veterenarian bills for animals of homeless people. They told me myself that they sometimes feel bad when a homeless guy comes in and gets his dog treated, but is obviously in such a condition that he would need health treatment as well, but there isn't enough charity being spent to organizations who would finance that treatment. Obviously those old women can relate more to the poor animals than to a "bum" (in the case they dont as well donate to those organizations, which at least some of them don't im sure). In reference to this case, don't you think some doctors probably feel bad when they have to release a sick child earlier than they should, cus the coverage of the insurance or the financial funds from donations isnt enough and on the same day, they bring in a brand new xbox to a kid being lucky enough to have had a donator buy it for them on Child's Play?
In the end I think this is still awesome by tl.net, but imo tl.net also missed a huge chance to really do a glorious deed that would have shone far beyond the gaming community. Maybe some people that don't have to do anything with gaming would have said "wow look at those gamers! they even care about pressing problems in the world!".
It doesnt mean this charity auction is worth nothing at all, but it could have been worth a lot more.
PS: Manis response disappoints me. It also proves me right in my decision to stay anonymous. Cus in the end, it doesn't matter if the majority of mods think its not ban-worthy, as long as I rub one mod the wrong way, I get banned. And I think I can safely assume that no mod would risk their status and start a fight within the mods crew to resurrect a banned user or a deleted thread which they think got banned or deleted unrightfully.
PPS: For all the people flaming me and calling me a retard, maybe you should stay out of a serious discussion like this, as your obviously too immature to contribute something meaningful.
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On October 09 2008 21:24 children_in_need_2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +First of all I'd like to apologize for my argument that donating nothing at all is better than donating to Child's Play. As niteReloaded pointed out, it was partly due to the fact that I wanted to put some "spice" into my post and provoke some thinking on the matter. Partly it was due to the fact I am a person who gets really emotionally worked up on moral issues and after I had spent hours researching the US health care system and checking every single hospital donated to by Child's Play, finding out they are all private, I was heated up. After a good night's rest and some distance to the topic, I think we can all agree on the fact that donating money is always better than not donating any money at all.
I regret having posted this part, because many people took it out of context and solely responded to that (flawed) part of my post. I also don't feel morally superior or am saying that I am a morally perfect person, although I try to live up to my own moral standards as much as I can. I could go into detail on that, but it would further distract from my core argument and I dont want this discussion to be about my person, or any person at all to be specific. If you think its hippocritic than so be it, but imo its no more hippocritic than critizising a politic for his actions when u sit on your comfy chair and aren't politically involved and active member of a political organization or than FakeSteve critizising progamers on powerrank. If criticism like this wouldn't be tolerated our society would be pretty backwards.
My core argument, like people as GrInq obviously have understood, is just that I think that tl.net could have done much better by spending to a more "deserving "(in lack of a better word) charity. I think the argument that this is a gaming website and thus needs to donate to a gaming related charity organization is flawed. Maybe we can relate better to a gruesome hospital stay which was made better for us when we could play on our gameboy (In fact I had such a stay in a hospital as a child). But I would be ashamed of myself If that would mean I couldn't feel more pity for someone not being born in a wealthy country and starving to death, or some immigrant child being refused proper treatment cus of uninsuredness. In fact, again like others said, a ton of people come to mind that need help more than a kid needs a videogame in a hospital. If I would not have had the chance to play a videogame as a kid in hospital because some donators decided to give it to those people, I certainly would have understood and approved of their decision when I had grewn up. In moral issues, I think we should consider ourselves humans first and foremost and not gamers.
Here is a story which probably helps further explaining my standpoint: My aunt and uncle are veterinarians. They are at the receiving end of charity coming from rich widows of their city, which pay for veterenarian bills for animals of homeless people. They told me myself that they sometimes feel bad when a homeless guy comes in and gets his dog treated, but is obviously in such a condition that he would need health treatment as well, but there isn't enough charity being spent to organizations who would finance that treatment. Obviously those old women can relate more to the poor animals than to a "bum" (in the case they dont as well donate to those organizations, which at least some of them don't im sure). In reference to this case, don't you think some doctors probably feel bad when they have to release a sick child earlier than they should, cus the coverage of the insurance or the financial funds from donations isnt enough and on the same day, they bring in a brand new xbox to a kid being lucky enough to have had a donator buy it for them on Child's Play?
In the end I think this is still awesome by tl.net, but imo tl.net also missed a huge chance to really do a glorious deed that would have shone far beyond the gaming community. Maybe some people that don't have to do anything with gaming would have said "wow look at those gamers! they even care about pressing problems in the world!".
It doesnt mean this charity auction is worth nothing at all, but it could have been worth a lot more.
PS: Manis response disappoints me. It also proves me right in my decision to stay anonymous. Cus in the end, it doesn't matter if the majority of mods think its not ban-worthy, as long as I rub one mod the wrong way, I get banned. And I think I can safely assume that no mod would risk their status and start a fight within the mods crew to resurrect a banned user or a deleted thread which they think got banned or deleted unrightfully.
PPS: For all the people flaming me and calling me a retard, maybe you should stay out of a serious discussion like this, as your obviously too immature to contribute something meaningful.
You cannot rank charities in an absolute measure with regard to "relief delivered" or something like that although there definitely is a difference between saving a human being from starvation and giving a child a PSP or something comparable but these gaming devices will not only benefit one child but multiple in the future.
However, I think it is perfectly justifiable that TL chose Child's Play and will give them the raised money. TL is not raising millions of dollars either, so why have lengthy discussion about this, when you could focus your energy on something else?
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I think he has a point. I kind of agree that there are better uses for the money than Child's Play. I understand its gaming related but I just personally don't agree with the way they use charitable donations, so I'm not likely to bid on any of these auctions (plus they very quickly went higher than I could afford)
But if you really look at any charity, there are always better uses for your money. You don't know what exactly your money goes to when you give to large organizations like Red Cross etc, but you know it's going to help more than a somewhat frivolous charity like this one in particular.
It's a great idea though and I hope we can see it again with new pro gamer merchandise in the future. And if that happens I don't see his posts as trolling if that means the next time around it goes to a better cause.
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On October 09 2008 22:43 Schnake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2008 21:24 children_in_need_2 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +First of all I'd like to apologize for my argument that donating nothing at all is better than donating to Child's Play. As niteReloaded pointed out, it was partly due to the fact that I wanted to put some "spice" into my post and provoke some thinking on the matter. Partly it was due to the fact I am a person who gets really emotionally worked up on moral issues and after I had spent hours researching the US health care system and checking every single hospital donated to by Child's Play, finding out they are all private, I was heated up. After a good night's rest and some distance to the topic, I think we can all agree on the fact that donating money is always better than not donating any money at all.
I regret having posted this part, because many people took it out of context and solely responded to that (flawed) part of my post. I also don't feel morally superior or am saying that I am a morally perfect person, although I try to live up to my own moral standards as much as I can. I could go into detail on that, but it would further distract from my core argument and I dont want this discussion to be about my person, or any person at all to be specific. If you think its hippocritic than so be it, but imo its no more hippocritic than critizising a politic for his actions when u sit on your comfy chair and aren't politically involved and active member of a political organization or than FakeSteve critizising progamers on powerrank. If criticism like this wouldn't be tolerated our society would be pretty backwards.
My core argument, like people as GrInq obviously have understood, is just that I think that tl.net could have done much better by spending to a more "deserving "(in lack of a better word) charity. I think the argument that this is a gaming website and thus needs to donate to a gaming related charity organization is flawed. Maybe we can relate better to a gruesome hospital stay which was made better for us when we could play on our gameboy (In fact I had such a stay in a hospital as a child). But I would be ashamed of myself If that would mean I couldn't feel more pity for someone not being born in a wealthy country and starving to death, or some immigrant child being refused proper treatment cus of uninsuredness. In fact, again like others said, a ton of people come to mind that need help more than a kid needs a videogame in a hospital. If I would not have had the chance to play a videogame as a kid in hospital because some donators decided to give it to those people, I certainly would have understood and approved of their decision when I had grewn up. In moral issues, I think we should consider ourselves humans first and foremost and not gamers.
Here is a story which probably helps further explaining my standpoint: My aunt and uncle are veterinarians. They are at the receiving end of charity coming from rich widows of their city, which pay for veterenarian bills for animals of homeless people. They told me myself that they sometimes feel bad when a homeless guy comes in and gets his dog treated, but is obviously in such a condition that he would need health treatment as well, but there isn't enough charity being spent to organizations who would finance that treatment. Obviously those old women can relate more to the poor animals than to a "bum" (in the case they dont as well donate to those organizations, which at least some of them don't im sure). In reference to this case, don't you think some doctors probably feel bad when they have to release a sick child earlier than they should, cus the coverage of the insurance or the financial funds from donations isnt enough and on the same day, they bring in a brand new xbox to a kid being lucky enough to have had a donator buy it for them on Child's Play?
In the end I think this is still awesome by tl.net, but imo tl.net also missed a huge chance to really do a glorious deed that would have shone far beyond the gaming community. Maybe some people that don't have to do anything with gaming would have said "wow look at those gamers! they even care about pressing problems in the world!".
It doesnt mean this charity auction is worth nothing at all, but it could have been worth a lot more.
PS: Manis response disappoints me. It also proves me right in my decision to stay anonymous. Cus in the end, it doesn't matter if the majority of mods think its not ban-worthy, as long as I rub one mod the wrong way, I get banned. And I think I can safely assume that no mod would risk their status and start a fight within the mods crew to resurrect a banned user or a deleted thread which they think got banned or deleted unrightfully.
PPS: For all the people flaming me and calling me a retard, maybe you should stay out of a serious discussion like this, as your obviously too immature to contribute something meaningful. You cannot rank charities in an absolute measure with regard to "relief delivered" or something like that although there definitely is a difference between saving a human being from starvation and giving a child a PSP or something comparable but these gaming devices will not only benefit one child but multiple in the future. However, I think it is perfectly justifiable that TL chose Child's Play and will give them the raised money. TL is not raising millions of dollars either, so why have lengthy discussion about this, when you could focus your energy on something else? Why can't I? When I think something crosses the boundaries from charity to luxury, why can't I say its worse than things that clearly qualify as charity? When I take it to the extreme, there could be "charity" for people who freshly got their license but can't afford a car.
Charity, in its core, is about fulfilling peoples basic needs who cant fulfill them themselves. Videogaming is NOT one of them.
In response to your last question: Because I care? Because it probably helps tl.net make the right choice next time like some posters already suggested?
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Melbourne5338 Posts
On October 09 2008 21:24 children_in_need_2 wrote: PS: Manis response disappoints me. It also proves me right in my decision to stay anonymous. Cus in the end, it doesn't matter if the majority of mods think its not ban-worthy, as long as I rub one mod the wrong way, I get banned. And I think I can safely assume that no mod would risk their status and start a fight within the mods crew to resurrect a banned user or a deleted thread which they think got banned or deleted unrightfully.
If I had the choice to ban you, I would do it because this is an inappropiate place to raise and picket on the matter. Anyone that walks into a religious gathering and starts ranting about atheism, or into a women's shelter to express views against feminism, is clearly a douchebag.
There are channels for your complaints if you honestly wanted to question the action taken by Team Liquid. A private message to Kennigit with questions and your arguments would've worked much better if you had a constructive intent unlike your chosen path of shitting on the good intentions of a community.
No-one is lying for the money, all the information about the cause is clearly availiable. People are choosing to bid on the auctions, theres no need to be a jerk about it.
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Braavos36362 Posts
i'm not even going to respond to much of your argument despite thinking a lot of it is flawed, because: if you really cared he'd know that dampening enthusiasm and discouraging people from donating to child's play and creating a shitty debate in the auction thread is the worst thing you could do.
child, you act like you are some informed person but really you're just a hypocrite. it's pretty horrible to attention whore and shit all over the spirit and intent of this thread by derailing it. that makes you worse, because you are making affirmative actions against charitable donations, rather than simply not donating.
your criticism could have been delivered more appropriately in other forms and you didn't do it, whats wrong with PM, a blog, or a thread in website feedback? that accomplishes the same goal without hurting the child's play charity. why must you continuously debate in the thread that will be linked to, that everyone will read? let's not forget you posted the same exact big reply, bumping the other thread. do we really need that? you think you're actually helping by doing this? what a joke.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
I wouldn't worry too much about the effect of this topic upon the bidding or charity.
A) Who's going to read through 10 pages of forum posts? B) Who is going to read through that, someone who would have bid, and then decided not to bid? Unless they buy into the "donating to Child's Play is worse than not donating at all", something repudiated and which no one believes, the only rationale would be to donate instead to a "more deserving" charity. In which case the purpose of this auction (to bring charity to others) is fulfilled regardless.
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South Africa4316 Posts
I think there's been enough fighting about this already. It comes down to TL wanting to help a charity which they feel affiliated to, and so far almost $1400 has been raised! Hopefully we can raise that more before the end of the auction!
Iris has passed Much again with $5 :D I think if Much could keep on playing like a pimp AND winning, his would have been much higher :p
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Braavos36362 Posts
On October 09 2008 23:08 children_in_need_2 wrote: PPS: For all the people flaming me and calling me a retard, maybe you should stay out of a serious discussion like this, as your obviously too immature to contribute something meaningful. after re-reading what you said, how you said it, and your choice of venue for your criticisms, i have to agree with mani that you are a retard.
Charity, in its core, is about fulfilling peoples basic needs who cant fulfill them themselves. Videogaming is NOT one of them. so any donations for non basic needs are not charity? doctors going to africa and fixing cleft lips isn't charity? my friend works for an organization that goes into disaster areas and builds playgrounds for kids, that's not charity? teaching math for no pay in a war torn country isn't charity work? and you call others ignorant and disgusting for not being "informed."
edit: and i agree with Daigomi, we are now enforcing this, no more sidetracking
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Braavos36362 Posts
i think the blizzard front page and the korean sites are great, they are going to bring a lot of traffic here that wouldn't otherwise come =)
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next time a kid comes to sell me a lottery ticket so his football club can exist i will tell him to fuck off because there are children dying in africa.
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in fact I tried to make a thread about this first to not derail these threads but start a fresh discussion about it. Unfortunately new members aren't allowed to post threads, so I had the choice to use my real acc and get banned (like mani said) or to reply here.
If all you can think of is calling me a retard and telling me my own intents (wow, u guys must be great psychoanalysts to fully comprehend peoples motives from a forum post in the internet) despite many people found some merit in my core argument and compare building playgrounds in disastrous areas to giving videogames to kids in hospitals in the USA than yeah, Im done posting here.
Ignorance rules supreme, but I am at peace now that I have voiced what I think and have at least reached some sensible persons and made them think about the whole concept of charity.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Children_in_need, will this lecture be available on audio cassette?
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may I suggest if its possible to stagger the ending of the auctions a bit more, that way anyone who loses out on one shirt has a chance to push his cash into another shirt, thus making more money for charity.
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eBay seems to be pretty strict about auction lengths, I don't think I can do that. As it is, they'll end over the course of an hour, Xellos -> Savior -> Iris -> Much.
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On October 10 2008 05:01 Salv wrote: Children_in_need, will this lecture be available on audio cassette?
LOLLLLLLLL
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It's a really nice initiative good job.
just pm a mod next time. no need to write it here.
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Disputing the value of a donation is so tasteless... actually what i'm trying to say is STFU children_in_need and GIVE me all your SAVIOR shirts
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Nothing is black and white.
Yeah he made a mistake, but the insults aren't really neccessary. He's not a cartoon villain so you attach all the bad stuff to his name. I truly believe he was sure he was doing the right thing when he posted that and now seeing the effects of it, if he could go back in time, he wouldn't have made the post. But human pride is a delicate thing, he must try to defend himself rather than eat his own words.
It's fun to bash people but it's not that hard to understand people if you are willing to.
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On October 07 2008 07:07 Nightmarjoo wrote: STOP BIDDING ON MUCH SHIRT PLEASE, I'M POOR
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South Africa4316 Posts
Iris is now a full $50 ahead of Much. Not bad.
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$500 each for Savior/Xellos!
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South Africa4316 Posts
It's cause Savior + Show Spoiler + Buy the shirt now before Savior dominates again and the shirt sells for 10x as much!
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On October 07 2008 07:25 thunk wrote: See the problem with autographed shirts like this that you feel bad wearing them. You can't just wear something like this. ye you cant wash them or the fingerprint oil gets washed away.
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about 1500$ total so far id say a great success
ps- if i signed a tl shirt would anyone buy it ?
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On October 13 2008 06:22 Kuja900 wrote: ps- if i signed a tl shirt would anyone buy it ?
Haha, would be cheap tho, but for the laugh I could offer a few dollers :D
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United States17042 Posts
I bet the price of the shirts doubles near the end of the auctions. 18 more hours.
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