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FeyFey
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Was amazing and sad at the same time. | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
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MMR hell is real and I'm stuck in it. Or I'm just fucking awful. Probably the later actually | ||
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giftdgecko
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On October 26 2016 02:10 Excludos wrote: What in the absolute fuck is wrong with the mmr system? I'm at 2700, and I get not one, not two, but three frikkin unranked people in my team. All separate, all solo queing. The opponents had all silver and diamonds, while we had 3 silver and 3 unranked. Needless to say we had zero teamwork. When defending the last push, 3 on our team was out somewhere I have no idea where, and the remaining 3 people had to fight against 6 alone. Salvation is coming us.battle.net | ||
Djzapz
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Edit: Here's another thing. Sometimes I play with my bad friends, like this one dude who plays a lot but he's stuck in the low ranks. Those people, there are things that they fundamentally don't fucking understand. The guy is playing Junkrat on defense on Numbani, one rather good pick to hold the choke. So his whole team is positioning behind that choke, and he's a bit forward to get a potential free kill at the other team's spawn. He does his thing, and then retreats THROUGH THE CENTER. He's being chased down main, when the shortest path to retreat was up the stairs through the main choke that he could've made untakable. Instead, he retreats through main, dies as we attempt to save him, other enemy players come through the choke and have upper ground against us. I like my buddy, but there are some very basic concepts that an intelligent, thinking adult needs to fucking understand. If you're Junkrat and you're trying to retreat and you have 2 actual retreat paths. 1- Main. It's wide, so it makes your weapon less effective. It's a longer way, so it makes you easier to pick. Your team isn't there, so you're not going to get backup. It's lower ground, so it's a harder position to defend for you and your team. THAT'S FOUR CONS. 2- The choke. It's narrow, making your weapon extremely effective. It's a short way, making it difficult to pick you off. Your team is there, so they'll help you. It's higher ground, putting you immediately in a strong defensive position. THAT'S FOUR PROS. You might say "but Djzapz, hindsight is 20/20". You motherfucker. This is such an easy decision for so many reasons that you should organically fucking understand. Your map awareness and your game sense simply CANNOT be that poor unless you're fucking drunk out of your mind. If your decision making in a game is so fucking shit in a game, how do you manage to drive safely? I don't understand. If you can't process very basic information about your surroundings on the fly you can't fucking be driving in public roads. | ||
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95% of the time they absolutely suck with him, and they have no interest in ever changing hero... you know, the thing that this game's core mechanic is based around doing. | ||
SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
tfw you know 100% that you cost your team the game. i wasted 2 ults in one match fucking misclicking. i've literally never done that before and then i did it twice in once match i need to move ult off q because i've dropped 500 mmr in the last 2 weeks and i cannot afford to make literally any mistakes | ||
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On October 26 2016 02:10 Excludos wrote: What in the absolute fuck is wrong with the mmr system? I'm at 2700, and I get not one, not two, but three frikkin unranked people in my team. All separate, all solo queing. The opponents had all silver and diamonds, while we had 3 silver and 3 unranked. Needless to say we had zero teamwork. When defending the last push, 3 on our team was out somewhere I have no idea where, and the remaining 3 people had to fight against 6 alone. don't see why the qq? first off 2700 isn't silver, it's platinum, second unranked people can be put in games up to 3000 mmr, so your game qualifies for that. Don't want unranked people - get to 3k+ mmr. + Show Spoiler + i sure hope i'm not wrong about this, as I remember reading about it somewhere, but I can't find it anymore I myself was just in placements and was put into a game with all diamonds(except one of the two people who I was grouped with, cause he was unranked aswell) and my team raged and just didn't even try to play. That's way more annoying to me than getting an unranked person in your team, because believe it or not, this game mattered way more to us than it did to people like you who just lose 'a few' points due to the loss. the 3x6 part does suck though. | ||
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On October 31 2016 17:59 abuse wrote: don't see why the qq? first off 2700 isn't silver, it's platinum, second unranked people can be put in games up to 3000 mmr, so your game qualifies for that. Don't want unranked people - get to 3k+ mmr. + Show Spoiler + i sure hope i'm not wrong about this, as I remember reading about it somewhere, but I can't find it anymore I myself was just in placements and was put into a game with all diamonds(except one of the two people who I was grouped with, cause he was unranked aswell) and my team raged and just didn't even try to play. That's way more annoying to me than getting an unranked person in your team, because believe it or not, this game mattered way more to us than it did to people like you who just lose 'a few' points due to the loss. the 3x6 part does suck though. The problem is that if you're playing your placement matches this far into the season, you're either 1: On your second account or 2. Completely new to matchmaking. I have a feeling most people are the latter based on their inability to understand core mechanics of the game, such as communication, hero swapping, team composition and general teamwork. If you're completely new to the game, you should not be placing with 2900+ (which is where I'm at now, still playing with tons of unranked). This is an obvious fault in the placement match system itself where if you win a couple of lucky matches you skyrocket in mmr. As stated in the link above for season 3 news, this is something Blizzard is aware about and is going to address for the new season. | ||
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My last game in placements was against an almost full diamond team, and we barely lost 4:3 in an extremely close game. (after which I got placed into ~2960 pts). Do I deserve to be there? Who knows. Do I play better than a diamond player? No. Can I hold my own in a game if the team gives me a chance and actually tries to play together instead of flaming? Yes. If an unranked person gets into that game then maybe, just maybe they might not be completely terrible, and even if they might not know many of the intricate details due to inexperience, you can still help them out in that regard, because believe it or not, if they do get put into that match, then chances are they're not braindead. I can tell you from my own experience, that getting into ~2900 mmr matches during placements takes winning at least 1-2 games vs high platinum elo players. | ||
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On October 31 2016 17:20 IMOrion wrote: Hanzo bounce arrow good spell nuff said. they really need it to decrease in dmg with each bounces.also to many times i have died where hanzo shoots bounce arrow and it bounces from one room to another and still kills me. cant wait for the nerf. i dont even care if that hero goes back to being shit. What nerf? You know something I don't? latest patch notes touch on nearly every hero except Hanzo | ||
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On October 31 2016 20:51 abuse wrote: While it is true, but i still think it's false to think that it shouldn't happen. My last game in placements was against an almost full diamond team, and we barely lost 4:3 in an extremely close game. (after which I got placed into ~2960 pts). Do I deserve to be there? Who knows. Do I play better than a diamond player? No. Can I hold my own in a game if the team gives me a chance and actually tries to play together instead of flaming? Yes. If an unranked person gets into that game then maybe, just maybe they might not be completely terrible, and even if they might not know many of the intricate details due to inexperience, you can still help them out in that regard, because believe it or not, if they do get put into that match, then chances are they're not braindead. I can tell you from my own experience, that getting into ~2900 mmr matches during placements takes winning at least 1-2 games vs high platinum elo players. I'd rather have people place a bit lower than they're suppose to rather than win a couple of lucky matches (and sometimes that's all you need) and start playing placement matches 1000 mmr above where you're suppose to be. If unranked people was playing in the mmr they're suppose to be playing at, they wouldn't all completely suck balls to the point of being an active hindrance to the rest of the team | ||
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On October 31 2016 20:56 Excludos wrote: I'd rather have people place a bit lower than they're suppose to rather than win a couple of lucky matches (and sometimes that's all you need) and start playing placement matches 1000 mmr above where you're suppose to be. If unranked people was playing in the mmr they're suppose to be playing at, they wouldn't all completely suck balls to the point of being an active hindrance to the rest of the team what's stopping you from being part of the "lucky matches" ? Also being placed 1k mmr above is bull. I don't think lucky matches exist. if a person is a hindrance to the team then the team doesn't win if the enemies are also placed in the mmr where they are supposed to be at. If we're talking about a level of play where 6 players can't beat 5 equally skilled players, with 1 person being a 'hinderance' then it's not a high enough elo to talk about, and i think people in placement matches are definitely welcome in there. I also don't believe that all of the unranked people who are in those games are terrible to the point of not being able to perform at all in that skill level. This isn't master/grandmaster tier we're talking about. | ||
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On October 31 2016 21:00 abuse wrote: what's stopping you from being part of the "lucky matches" ? Also being placed 1k mmr above is bull. I don't think lucky matches exist. if a person is a hindrance to the team then the team doesn't win if the enemies are also placed in the mmr where they are supposed to be at. If we're talking about a level of play where 6 players can't beat 5 equally skilled players, with 1 person being a 'hinderance' then it's not a high enough elo to talk about, and i think people in placement matches are definitely welcome in there. I also don't believe that all of the unranked people who are in those games are terrible to the point of not being able to perform at all in that skill level. This isn't master/grandmaster tier we're talking about. Some matches are so one sided that you can win 5v6. Happens to everyone, being on both sides of it. Sometimes the opposing team is so bad that having no communication or proper team balance doesn't actually matter. Sometimes that is your team. But in a situation where both teams are about equal, having someone who hasn't played more than a maximum of 9 matches in competitive, doesn't communicate, doesn't play well on his own, doesn't change hero, doesn't play around the team is more than enough to make the game stomp in the opponents favor. You can believe in whatever you want, the truth is that whenever I spot someone with no rank, we wither win or lose the game depending on what team he is in, with zero exceptions. And when you get to a game that places not one, not two, but three frikkin unranked players..ON THE SAME TEAM, then it's not even a turkey shoot anymore. With 3 people on your team doing whatever they want, it doesn't matter if the remaining three are active Fnatic players, you still have absolutely no chance. Also, you're not only arguing against blizzard's own words at this point, you're also starting an argument on the QQ thread. I'm actually one of the few who likes arguing, but generally this is a place to vent, not to start a fight. Right now I'm venting against unranked people in my games who, without exception, sucks. And you're somehow trying to justify it with..I'm not even sure what exactly. Nocebo? | ||
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i'm also venting so it's fine. | ||
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On November 01 2016 03:24 abuse wrote: well i won quite a bit of my placement matches, and obviously that means i was on the team with the 'unranked ones', so your 'zero exceptions' thing doesn't apply. i'm also venting so it's fine. Dude. You're someone on TL. You're obviously a reasonable and competent person. People like you (and I hope, myself) will of course do well in our placement matches and end up with a decent mmr despite not having played to many matches before. Not necessarily because we're so damn good at the game, but because we care enough to research and follow the core principles of how it's supposed to be played. We don't go into a game adamant of ignoring out teammates and dying 40 times on our own. But the unfortunate truth is, we (and everyone else adult and reasonable enough to regularly visit a forum such as TL) are exceptions. The vast majority are not like you. They jump straight into the game, don't care about winning, and thusly don't care how they're supposed to win. They often have very excellent aim and dodgy movements, maybe from having played tons of cs:go or CoD, but in a game like Overwatch that is simply not enough. Teamwork trumps any one person's ability hit a Hanzo arrow once in a while. And that is what's missing from, at least, every unranked person I have played with since a few weeks after the second season started. | ||
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