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On May 09 2016 22:21 Tenks wrote: Anyone else feel Widowmaker needs to be toned down? It feels even being bad as Widowmaker it is impossible to not score frags on the objective. Her only reasonable counter is really Winston or another Widowmaker. I wish they'd make it so her body shots do less damage and move some crit multi into her headshot so she can still do insane damage if you're proficient at the hero but make it so she can't just stand back and clean up due to her high bodyshot damage. Widowmaker sucks at taking objectives.
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On May 09 2016 04:54 FeyFey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2016 04:22 Meta wrote: I counterpick Bastion with Genji, his reflect = gg for Bastion. And if bastion stops firing you dash through him and hit him from behind. Only, it doesn't work at very long range. your doing it wrong. Pick Zaria, load up 100 energy and murder the entire team. Not just Bastion. But yeah all that Bastion OP rage, is mostly because People don't want to play his counters. I really have to hold back though, when playing against Zarias. People just keep her 100% energy and you lose. Had a game where I was so freaking happy. People lock in double Zaria, double Tracer one Lucio. I lock in Lucio for the evil comp. And bam every double switches of >.<. People are slowly learning how strong dbl support or dbl tank is though. Or how good twins are in this game.
Double support is a good time. Ran a few Lucio (me) + Mercy comps to great effect.
Found out the hard way that 5 soldier 76 + Lucio is a thing and brutal when coordinated. Got shut down hard on offense on Hollywood. I don't think we ever even made it alive to the capture point A. You can't outrun them, you can't keep them dead long enough to push in because they can run back so fast, if you don't headshot them they just heal back to full right away, and the aim bot mode just ugh.
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widow on your team: complete shit
widow on enemy team: sniper god 420 yolo swag money
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On May 10 2016 01:58 paper wrote: widow on your team: complete shit
widow on enemy team: sniper god 420 yolo swag money
90% of the time so true. I got lucky queuing with a friend last night, we came across a level 48 who plays a ton of widowmaker, and had her on our team the first 2 matches. Then she was put on the other team, where she proceeded to snipe the hell out of my Lucio, XD
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Last day of beta and unfortunately most players are still in the stage where they dont know how to play against 6 bastions.
Instead they just type in all chat.
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I believe the beta got extended until tomorrow
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Everyone is discussing how to counter a bastion then claiming he is not OP because it is not impossible. He's beatable, but definitely grossly overpowered, at the very least because you need to play specifically around him which is not true for like almost every other hero. 90% of my games have "Play of the game" with either random bastion 0.8 second kills or a henzo ultimate. It's kind of a good sign something's wrong with both of them.
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On May 10 2016 05:15 BluzMan wrote: Everyone is discussing how to counter a bastion then claiming he is not OP because it is not impossible. He's beatable, but definitely grossly overpowered, at the very least because you need to play specifically around him which is not true for like almost every other hero. 90% of my games have "Play of the game" with either random bastion 0.8 second kills or a henzo ultimate. It's kind of a good sign something's wrong with both of them.
Im just gonna say once more that every hero needs some amount of counterplay.
Try playing against a good pharah or two without a single medium to long range hitscan hero and you'll start saying the same thing about them and their ability to fly with a mercy.
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Being OP and easy to play are not the same thing. What you see with Bastion is a case of a easy to utilize hero during a time when most people are new. All those PotG's you see from Bastion are almost never one who is skillfully using him. This is why most Bastion PotG complaints are "he just mowed down half the team cause they ran right into his line of fire with no counter" "such skill..." Along those lines. It's a 6v6 game stop trying to balance it like its 1v1.
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On May 10 2016 05:15 BluzMan wrote: Everyone is discussing how to counter a bastion then claiming he is not OP because it is not impossible. He's beatable, but definitely grossly overpowered, at the very least because you need to play specifically around him which is not true for like almost every other hero. 90% of my games have "Play of the game" with either random bastion 0.8 second kills or a henzo ultimate. It's kind of a good sign something's wrong with both of them.
As zero said, most heroes have a form of counterplay. What makes bastion strong is actually the laziness of players to communicate his position, switch to a more suitable hero, or work together. Bastion counters player psychology more than the heroes themselves.
With that said, in higher levels of play, playing a bastion is a good way to force compositions to adapt, provide a threat they need to deal with, and deny space, rather than an expectation of a 6man team wipe as they run across your LoS one by one. By this design, he needs to be "overpowered" in his TtK and clip size, or else he might as well be a soldier 76.
team compositions on defense are meant to slow down your opponents, while attacking teams need to adapt to what's presented. Unwilling/unable to counterplay a defensive bastion should result in a loss on attack and can't be blamed on balance.
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On May 10 2016 05:31 Dizmaul wrote: Being OP and easy to play are not the same thing. What you see with Bastion is a case of a easy to utilize hero during a time when most people are new. All those PotG's you see from Bastion are almost never one who is skillfully using him. This is why most Bastion PotG complaints are "he just mowed down half the team cause they ran right into his line of fire with no counter" "such skill..." Along those lines. It's a 6v6 game stop trying to balance it like its 1v1.
Ugh, first you claim that even people who have no idea do well with bastion, then "no, there's no problem with him". Do you understand that you're working against your own argument with that? There's no other hero in the game that "mows down half of a team just because they moved into his line of fire". What the heck is line of fire even? Bastion rotates instantly to any direction, like any other hero, there's no magical line you avoid to play against him. He takes half a second to deploy, too. Sure, you can beat him with clever play, but refusing to admit there's something wrong here is just stupid. At least you should get rewarded for getting around him, but alas, with instant rotation and 100 armor on top of 200 hp, your chances of sneaking a backstab on him are quite low. Imo, with all that insane damage he shouldn't be that tanky to begin with.
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On May 08 2016 19:29 DrakanSilva wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2016 18:28 Advantageous wrote:+ Show Spoiler +How do you people deal with all these fucking retards on any map? They can't seem to understand the simple mechanic of standing on the objective to claim it, or contest it. None of these fucktards seems to have enough common sense to actually watch the other team in one of their games, and go "hmmm maybe to win I need to stand there, where the highlighted area is..."
I mean how do these fucking dipshits function in society? Do they know how to put on their pants? I'm almost 100% sure these fucking dumb fucks have negative IQ's and think League of Legends is a game that actually takes skills to be decent at. Most of them complain when they're playing the easiest of heroes, like Bastion or Junkrat. Like, how hard is it to sit there and shoot, then move when you're being shot at? Worst part is they won't admit they're bad, they'll talk shit back and lie about their stats in game. Just today I had someone say they're the highest in damage, when I have the gold medal for most damage dealt, like, are you serious? Fucking can't deal with these dumb fucks. I bought the game for my global account (US,EU,ASIA) because I knew that playing it in China was going to be hard... There isn't a really good FPS team from China and I didn't wanted to get Cancer during beta. I played the beta with the CN account for few hours... never ever again. Not even if they get the ping down to 10ms. In Dota 2 at least you can draw in the map, ping, etc, and there are great CN teams so it's different.
I'm playing on the US server, not the Chinese server. The place on my account doesnt dictate where i'm playing from. US players ive had on my team are complete shit too
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On May 10 2016 06:51 BluzMan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2016 05:31 Dizmaul wrote: Being OP and easy to play are not the same thing. What you see with Bastion is a case of a easy to utilize hero during a time when most people are new. All those PotG's you see from Bastion are almost never one who is skillfully using him. This is why most Bastion PotG complaints are "he just mowed down half the team cause they ran right into his line of fire with no counter" "such skill..." Along those lines. It's a 6v6 game stop trying to balance it like its 1v1. Ugh, first you claim that even people who have no idea do well with bastion, then "no, there's no problem with him". Do you understand that you're working against your own argument with that? There's no other hero in the game that "mows down half of a team just because they moved into his line of fire". What the heck is line of fire even? Bastion rotates instantly to any direction, like any other hero, there's no magical line you avoid to play against him. He takes half a second to deploy, too. Sure, you can beat him with clever play, but refusing to admit there's something wrong here is just stupid. At least you should get rewarded for getting around him, but alas, with instant rotation and 100 armor on top of 200 hp, your chances of sneaking a backstab on him are quite low. Imo, with all that insane damage he shouldn't be that tanky to begin with.
You talk as if you have a very hard time vs Bastion, and I believe you. I have no trouble with him. When I play with my friends we laugh while we pick off bastions just camped out over the payload or cap point. When I get behind a Bastion with Pharah or Mccreed or any other offensive hero he is dead before they know what happened. You're having trouble with a low learning curve character in the beginning stages of a game. Tale as old as time. Also I wonder are you playing on console? I haven't tried yet but I do wonder if the controller handicap changes the effectiveness of any heros. Is there an aim assist on console?
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He's just a retarded design, as is torbjorn. The game would be more fun whiteout them.
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On May 10 2016 07:41 Velr wrote: He's just a retarded design, as is torbjorn. The game would be more fun whiteout them.
I know this is the QQ thread but we are supposed to you know vent a bit, be frustrated, then have some discussion about how to handle it. Its generally how QQ threads go.
This isn't a place to just flat out call something retarded, ignore all the advice being given then continue complaining about design.
Thats not what this thread is for dude.
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Who are these mouthbreathers saying I'm trash at healing when you're running off like you got infinite health and then end up dead in that 1v4? Do these retards even know how the healing mechanic work for those 3 champs, they must think healers can 1-100 in a millisecond and have infinite range.
How am I bad when you don't even have awareness of your own health status and where the team medic is? Yea, I'm done chasing retards at crit trying to heal them. You want healing? You come to me or go find a health pack asshole.
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Bastion allows complete idiots to play the game and feel good against other complete idiots. He's not going anywhere, maybe they tone him down a tad but even that I doubt. They need a hero for people that suck to play.
Watched a few minutes of Talespin's stream. He was saying the hot shit comp stack right now is 2 monkeys, 2 lucios, 2 mccrees. I can't handle playing monkey man its just not for me. I'm not a big inline skating fan either. Been working on my McCree. Hero is pretty fun.
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On May 10 2016 10:05 OuchyDathurts wrote: Bastion allows complete idiots to play the game and feel good against other complete idiots. He's not going anywhere, maybe they tone him down a tad but even that I doubt. They need a hero for people that suck to play.
Watched a few minutes of Talespin's stream. He was saying the hot shit comp stack right now is 2 monkeys, 2 lucios, 2 mccrees. I can't handle playing monkey man its just not for me. I'm not a big inline skating fan either. Been working on my McCree. Hero is pretty fun.
That comp with 2 monkey 2 lucio 2 mccree is brutal.
I played vs it a few times and I just dont know how to properly handle it.
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I think those types of comps cheapen the game a great deal. It's so not fun to play against. I've also seen Zarya stacks with a Lucio, I've seen a Reaper stack with a Lucio, I've seen 5 Torbjorn with a Lucio. Always made the necessary char switches and ended up winning, but it was lame as hell. But the 2 winston 2 lucio 2 mccree is just straight up ridiculous. You're trying to play the game and you just get punted around like a ragdoll and it's annoying. When they're good, since we don't know how to counter it, we just feel helpless and frustrated.
One by one my friends are leaving, 3 of my friends have cancelled their preorders from feeling they've seen what there was to see. Too many frustrating ways to be killed, often by dumb luck, sometimes by shitty comps. This one McCree did nothing for an entire game on Dorado except hide in various corners, wait, flashbang someone and kill them. Everything can be going great and then a Reaper falls from the sky and pushes his win button. Monkey jumps in and bumps everyone off the map. S76 will straight up aimbot when you have no where to go. It undermines the actual good plays by rewarding this shit.
And while much of this can be countered with good positioning, you can't always avoid those bullshit deaths that are pivotal to some games. The maps force you in small areas and give certain characters the ability to deal damage in that area at random. I'll be holding the point and junkrat will throw crap above the wall and I'll die before I know what happened.
My buddies would've stuck around if it wasn't for monkeys leaping around like idiots and somehow getting kills and stuff like that. When you get killed you need to feel like you've been outplayed somehow, but oftentimes you really didn't. As it is, I won't have too many people to play with at release and I assume I'll quit after a couple of weeks... playing alone will suck, ffs, teamwork was pretty much the best way to mitigate and reduce bullshit plays to a minimum.
It makes me legitimately sad, for a couple of days it seemed like it'd be a great way to play something other than CSGO.
This game would be better IMO if they removed the ability for 2 people to play the same character, at least in competitive mode, and they should straight up remove Reaper, S76, Junkrat, nerf McCree's flashbang's radius or some shit (I play McCree, that shit is broken). I don't think any of these guys are necessarily OP, except McCree, but they're lame as hell and a nightmare to play against. Hell, Junkrat and S76 are no where near OP, balance is not at all my concern. Please note that this is my opinion and I'm sure much of it is biased and perhaps unreasonable. I would prefer a game without these elements, that is all.
Huge props to the competent Widowmakers, Tracers, Pharahs, Meis and Roadhogs. You guys are coo. Especially to the Widowmaker who just made me stop playing for tonight, you're a god damn nightmare breh.
Also fuck that 20 tick bullshit, it's massively noticeable to anyone who's played a proper FPS. It's wholly insufficient.
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i'm the worst player on my team...
i die.. amd i'm running back to the point we have to capture.. in the distance i see the point we need to capture .. and i see a vicious fight between 3 enemies and our 3 best players.. bullets flying every where!!!
all my allies die... the 3 enemies are standing in the point trying to capture it... i have my ult..and i'm Soldier76 ...
turns out all 3 enemies are down to like 5% of their health... i hit "Q" and in a hail of gun fire i kill all 3 enemies in like 7 seconds and heroically hold the point!
hahahahaha
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