Power Rank 11/01/2009 - Page 8
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Endurethetoothache
United States51 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
On November 02 2009 11:07 Endurethetoothache wrote: I don't know if the power rankings are like the Kespa ratings but I really don't think past performance should go into how the players are doing right now. I want to know who is doing the best in THIS month, not who is the best of all time at the moment. (Maybe that's where I am wrong though). You're entirely correct, thats why theres such a huge debate whether jaedong should be second or not, because his performance just doesn't deserve #2 spot. | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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Slox
United States21 Posts
I personally think that a monthly Power Rank should be who the most "powerful" players are at the time of writing, and that is what was written this month (more or less), so naturally I didn't have any major complaints. That being said, regardless of the author's interpretation, as long as they were able to explain how they arrived at their decisions (as riptide did with this month's PR), I wouldn't really be able to complain about much. For example, there is an old PR (I don't remember how long ago) where after glancing at the names on the list (as I always do prior to reading it) my jaw dropped. I then read through the PR and felt satisfied with their explanations. I completely disagreed with their interpretation of what the PR in itself should be, but I was able to understand why each player was ranked where they were based on their different interpretation of the PR, and so I was content for the most part. I think if more people took this approach the debates about rank would be much more interesting. Questioning the rank a certain player had based on the author's definition of what PR should be, rather than each individual poster's. At the moment, it's mostly apples and oranges. | ||
Tyxiquale
Australia424 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:14 Slox wrote: It's really amusing how many people get bent out of shape over what basically comes down to the author's interpretation of what the PR should be... I personally think that a monthly Power Rank should be who the most "powerful" players are at the time of writing, and that is what was written this month (more or less), so naturally I didn't have any major complaints. That being said, regardless of the author's interpretation, as long as they were able to explain how they arrived at their decisions (as riptide did with this month's PR), I wouldn't really be able to complain about much. For example, there is an old PR (I don't remember how long ago) where after glancing at the names on the list (as I always do prior to reading it) my jaw dropped. I then read through the PR and felt satisfied with their explanations. I completely disagreed with their interpretation of what the PR in itself should be, but I was able to understand why each player was ranked where they were based on their different interpretation of the PR, and so I was content for the most part. I think if more people took this approach the debates about rank would be much more interesting. Questioning the rank a certain player had based on the author's definition of what PR should be, rather than each individual poster's. At the moment, it's mostly apples and oranges. QFT. This man knows what he's talking about. (assuming ur male...) Haven't seen as much sense as this post has shown for ages. | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On November 02 2009 09:41 UGC4 wrote: no pusan no movie movie-hero-light group of the osl was the GROUP OF DEATH PEOPLE. and he owned it up! I'd argue that the real group of death was Mind-Hogil-Flash, considering that flash is flash, Mind has been doing well in PL again, and Hogil played well. | ||
dekuschrub
United States2069 Posts
good ranking.. i wouldve liked to see movie up there but its understandable. | ||
Orbifold
United States1922 Posts
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Waxangel
United States32478 Posts
10 was another tough spot. Any of the CBNC might deserve it, plus maybe even Hwasin and Type-B. | ||
Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On November 02 2009 12:14 Slox wrote: It's really amusing how many people get bent out of shape over what basically comes down to the author's interpretation of what the PR should be... I personally think that a monthly Power Rank should be who the most "powerful" players are at the time of writing, and that is what was written this month (more or less), so naturally I didn't have any major complaints. That being said, regardless of the author's interpretation, as long as they were able to explain how they arrived at their decisions (as riptide did with this month's PR), I wouldn't really be able to complain about much. For example, there is an old PR (I don't remember how long ago) where after glancing at the names on the list (as I always do prior to reading it) my jaw dropped. I then read through the PR and felt satisfied with their explanations. I completely disagreed with their interpretation of what the PR in itself should be, but I was able to understand why each player was ranked where they were based on their different interpretation of the PR, and so I was content for the most part. I think if more people took this approach the debates about rank would be much more interesting. Questioning the rank a certain player had based on the author's definition of what PR should be, rather than each individual poster's. At the moment, it's mostly apples and oranges. Yeah... you sort of have a point. But what if the author's point of view to begin with makes no sense? For instance, at the end of the last PR discussion, a proposed November PR was put forth which obviously was written with individual league performance as the primary criterion. I had a somewhat extended argument about the rationality of that PR with someone who said that criterion was nonsense, so the PR was automatically bad no matter how much sense it made by that standard. That's the real problem here: if you think criteria are bogus, why even try to argue on those grounds? | ||
Avidkeystamper
United States8551 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On November 02 2009 13:26 Avidkeystamper wrote: People tried to take that stance against JWD late in his PR-writing career. The problem is that the proscene goes through many stages as the individual leagues and PL progress. Thus, the criteria could be different each month. Naw, people got on JWD's case because he did goofy stuff (not necessarily stupid, or even wrong, but goofy) like dropping Flash off the PR completely after a 6-2 month and putting ZerO over JD for reasons which were... not readily apparent. Or at least, that's how it looked to me. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On November 22 2006 01:18 DJEtterStyle wrote: Hello. As you may have noticed (but probably not), the gracious people at Team Liquid have made me a part of their extended family. If it helps, think of me as the drunken uncle that everyone hates but that they have no choice but to invite to family reunions. Regardless of my status amongst my now-peers, I have been put in charge of the new Power Ranking feature, visible, if you have not yet noticed, in the upper-right portion of the website. Click on the link to see the detailed list. Every month, I will create a list—my list—of the top ten Brood War players in the world. No foreigner, just in case you felt the urge to ask, will ever grace that list. No, not even if he managed to beat Midas in a Bo1 during WCG. To clarify: this is not a rehash of the KeSPA rankings. This is not a lifetime achievement award. This list consists entirely of my picks of who is hot right now. Any player who loses a big game to an amateur opponent or attempts some particularly retarded cheese can look forward to dropping off the list as quickly as he arrived. I consider much more than statistics when formulating this list, and although the placement might seem, on occasion, biased or even completely random, I assure you that I have my own, incredibly valid reasons for the decisions I make. You are, of course, welcome to try and change my mind, but before you try and do that, let me provide you with a crucial piece of information: I am smarter than you—much. In subsequent months, I will post a brief essay announcing the presence of the new list and defending some of my potentially controversial choices, but as this post is already much longer than I would like, I will spare all of you any further reading. So enjoy the list, and feel free to place your inane comments in the provided, well, comments area. I assure you that I will consider each one briefly before dismissing it on any number of purely objective grounds. Added: I can't believe I forgot to mention this before, but please be sure to thank Saro for adding this new feature. Without him, the website would be, from a technical standpoint, stagnant. His work makes possible all of these fun little things we have, and he, I believe, goes underappreciated far too often. | ||
Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
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gnr9292
90 Posts
while both of them only have one loss in pl fantasy got knocked out of osl | ||
Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
I'm really looking forward to seeing Fantasy play against the Zergs on steroids this season. His bio play is average, it's his mech that he's always relied on to rake in the wins, I wonder if he can still make it work? I'm sure he can, all he has to do is pump VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES I know it takes skill and not everyone can do it, but I still want to pull my hair out when Fantasy is doing terrible and getting owned, and then all of a sudden his opponent lets Fantasy run five vultures into their probe/drone line and the entire game turns around. It's Fantasy, you KNOW he's going to pump vultures, so put some defenses up at your mineral lines, holy shit. | ||
Sigh
Canada2433 Posts
And besides JD at #2, i'd have to agree with the rest of the PR ! thanks! | ||
Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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darktreb
United States3014 Posts
On November 02 2009 05:12 Plexa wrote: This guy gets it! (Plus JD's ZvP/ZvT just look a bit stronger than Calms at the moment, particularly ZvP) Haha thanks, means a lot coming from you Plexa =) Truth be told, I'm a huge Flash fan and even I'm barely ok with him being #1. In my book (and of course PR is subjective in many ways so it's just opinion), it took the following to take a guy who just won his third OSL, was MSL semifinalist, and is the best player in the world down from #1 A player (Flash) who: - Went undefeated in the entire month (and qualified for both leagues in the process) - Didn't just win but crushed all his opponents and was arguably never losing at any point in any game (this is a slight stretch but given his superior late game, you can argue that as long as the game is 40/60 or better on paper beyond a certain point, he's ahead) - Played at a level clearly unmatched by any other player of his race (and of any race, at least for this one month) - Is one of two, maybe three, players in the world considered to be in the same skill class as JD (this one is also important) Anything less and JD should stay #1 until he drops out of a league or gets straight up murdered repeatedly in PL. Guy is a living legend at the moment - he has earned Starleague to Starleague benefit of the doubt which no one else has or deserves. | ||
3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
1. Flash 2. Stork 3. Calm 4. Bisu 5. Jaedong 6. Shine[kaL] 7. Hyuk 8. EffOrt 9. fantasy 10. Movie Too late for me to justify with an essay right now, I'll defend this tomorrow if need be. xD | ||
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