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I don't want to bother talking about this Best/Horang2 thing any more since it's just going to give me blood pressure problems. Now that Best failed in the OSL prelims, unless Horang2 completely drops the ball for the rest of the month there is no reason why Best should be higher ranked. A player doing very well in 2 matches who has been successfully achieving a high win percentage over a longer period of time and better tournament results to his name automatically gets the nod over a player who can only play one match against any remotely competent opponent.
Regarding Flash I think what he needs is to take time off from Starcraft to heal. Nobody except Flash, his doctor and his coach know the 100% truth of his condition right now, but my own opinion from watching him and from having wrist problems myself is that when the chips are down he can bite the bullet and perform his best through painkillers and adrenalin, but the more he continues playing the more damage he is doing himself. I don't think it's a coincidence that Flash went 3-0 through both semifinals and finals of the MSL but is only 1-4 in PL. It's definitely not because his PL opponents were harder or played better than Hydra/Zero. Also, the more I think about it the more I think Flash was striving extra hard for that 3-0 result because if either series had made it to 5 games I think Flash would have lost. Not from skill, but from wrist problems. Both times he created a strategy to totally dictate the series from the outset, which speaks well not just for Flash but for his coaching staff and the teammates who supported him.
I hate the notion of the wrist problems becoming an excuse. Flash fanboys are insufferable enough as it is. It's just the reality that he shouldn't be playing in PL at all right now. He needs to be saving up his strength for the PL playoffs. Even if his team drops in the ranking I believe they are guaranteed a place right now so it is very silly for him to continue putting his body on the line. Depending on the nature of his injury it may go away (at least for a while) if he gives it a couple weeks to recover.
P.S. anyone who thinks Flash should not be #1 is delusional. He went 6-0 in MSL this month, winning the whole thing. That counts for a hell of a lot more than some random PL losses.
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On June 19 2011 01:05 FakePlasticLove wrote: Is Bisu's PL run the greatest proleague performance of alll time?!?
Not really, Flash may have had fewer wins in PL last year than Bisu this year but I think there are a few things that make it less impressive:
1) Double WL - From 11 games to 18 games this year.
2) Flash was in all the finals for that year, won 4, AND put up that PL performance. Has Bisu even been in a RO8 this year, let alone a semis? I would expect Flash to have had like 80 wins in PL last year had he played the same individual schedule that Bisu has this year.
But Bisu definitely will take the win title this season and the way things are looking bring another PL championship to SKT.
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On June 19 2011 02:15 Mortality wrote: A player doing very well in 2 matches who has been successfully achieving a high win percentage over a longer period of time and better tournament results to his name automatically gets the nod over a player who can only play one match against any remotely competent opponent.
In the march rankings Bisu, who only had impressive wins vs zerg that month, was ranked higher than stork, who had impressive wins vs both toss and terran, and had recently gotten OSL silver. Not to mention Stork beat him head to head twice.
There is nothing automatic about the PR.
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On June 19 2011 02:02 Cpadolf wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 01:05 FakePlasticLove wrote: Is Bisu's PL run the greatest proleague performance of alll time?!? In statistics, yes, if you count the entire season anyway. Flash was 61-16 last season, and Bisu is 61-14 right now (so he could potentially still screw it up, but it's looking good at the moment). If you are a bit more selective though Flash was 50-6 up until the last few months of last season, which is the best hot streak ever, by quite a bit. Can you honestly make a legitimate claim for Bisu as #1, then? Flash is 7-4 for the month, sweeping both Hydra and Zero 3-0 to take his 6th gold, while losing to, on average ,very good vT players (Shuttle and Reality could be argued to average, but have both had pretty good records vT recently). Bisu is 4-0 against pretty mediocre opponents, and got knocked out in the OSL prelims in his strongest matchup. Or where you just joking? The Flash vs. Hydra series was already accounted for in the May PR. Still, I think Flash deserves the number one spot. He won in a dominating fashion when it mattered, and even despite his current loss streak in PL, you still know that when the times comes (both in the playoffs and in the upcoming starleague), Flash is going to deliver. No other player inspires that level of confidence.
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On June 19 2011 02:02 Cpadolf wrote:Can you honestly make a legitimate claim for Bisu as #1, then? Flash is 7-4 for the month, sweeping both Hydra and Zero 3-0 to take his 6th gold, while losing to, on average ,very good vT players (Shuttle and Reality could be argued to average, but have both had pretty good records vT recently). Bisu is 4-0 against pretty mediocre opponents, and got knocked out in the OSL prelims in his strongest matchup. Or where you just joking?
If 0-3 after MSL semis is enough to drop someone off the rank altogether, I'd expect that 1-4 after MSL win is not enough to hold #1.
I'd have trouble making a legitimate claim for Bisu as anything, he hasn't won something in what, 2 years? That's what I meant with it's gonna be a weird month, all of TBLS is sucking in a way or another.
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On June 19 2011 03:41 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 02:02 Cpadolf wrote:On June 19 2011 01:40 Soap wrote: He isn't #1 not even in ELO anymore, LOL Can you honestly make a legitimate claim for Bisu as #1, then? Flash is 7-4 for the month, sweeping both Hydra and Zero 3-0 to take his 6th gold, while losing to, on average ,very good vT players (Shuttle and Reality could be argued to average, but have both had pretty good records vT recently). Bisu is 4-0 against pretty mediocre opponents, and got knocked out in the OSL prelims in his strongest matchup. Or where you just joking? If 0-3 after MSL semis is enough to drop someone off the rank altogether, I'd expect that 1-4 after MSL win is not enough to hold #1. I'd have trouble making a legitimate claim for Bisu as anything, he hasn't won something in what, 2 years? That's what I meant with it's gonna be a weird month, all of TBLS is sucking in a way or another.
Well there's a pretty big difference between losing 1-3 in the semis and going 6-0 in semis+finals, so not really. Anyway I took your statement as an implication that you thought Bisu should be #1, which is the reason for my response, because he really shouldn't. It's true that it's been a bit of a weird month.
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On June 19 2011 03:10 hacklebeast wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 02:15 Mortality wrote: A player doing very well in 2 matches who has been successfully achieving a high win percentage over a longer period of time and better tournament results to his name automatically gets the nod over a player who can only play one match against any remotely competent opponent.
In the march rankings Bisu, who only had impressive wins vs zerg that month, was ranked higher than stork, who had impressive wins vs both toss and terran, and had recently gotten OSL silver. Not to mention Stork beat him head to head twice. There is nothing automatic about the PR.
I'm getting tired of this. Are you trolling or are you seriously stupid?
What you just said isn't even true. Bisu's PvT was looking very solid. His only PvT loss was in a very good match against "Dragon Slayer" Hiya. Admittedly his PvP showed serious weakness to Stork and Kal but it's important to note that over a 6 month period those were the only 2 Protoss players to achieve wins over Bisu.
In contrast, Stork played 3 games against Terran that month. Win over Really is meh. Really is simply not the TvP giant he used to be (3 wins 11 losses in 2011: pathetic). Win over Flash was a cheese game. Yes it was a win over Flash, but pulling off an all-in just once doesn't prove anything. Loss to Sea due to greediness. Stork's PvP play actually was looking legitimately good, but he only played 3 games there as well and went 2-1.
The main thing that kept Stork so high in the ranking despite a 4-3 record in February (didn't you even realize what result you were citing?) was that Stork had partially redeemed himself right after his humiliating 0-6 drop in both leagues by beating Bisu and Fantasy (a result from January, not February). Bisu was 10-4 in February, trucking along quite steadily.
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I just found a situation that contradicted your "automatic" situation. Stork had put of consistent results for a long time, he was beating 2 races, and he was doing well in individual leagues.
Bisu only beat good zergs that month (and horang2, but it was a lesser horang2 than what we have today). All of his terran wins were against bad people. Maybe if we had thrown on some good terrans he could have beat them, maybe not. His history really didn't show much, with one or two quality wins spanning back to august.
Maybe if we had thrown best some protosses he would have beat them, maybe not, but he hasn't done anything recently to suggest that he has horrible vP (or vZ for that matter).
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On June 19 2011 01:40 Soap wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 16:43 Elefanto wrote:On June 18 2011 14:15 Soap wrote: Sooo out of TBLS
Bisu is 4-0 but didn't pass OSL prelims Jaedong is 2-3 and MSL semifinalist Flash is 1-4 and MSL winner Stork switched to smartphone games
Should be a weird month. Not really, flash should be the clear #1. MSL win is just to big, on top that he has as many titles as nada. Rest depends on the rest of the month. He isn't #1 not even in ELO anymore, LOL
Only because OSL prelim losses don't count against Bisu (whereas they clearly are important for power rank)
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On June 19 2011 06:49 hacklebeast wrote: I just found a situation that contradicted [Mortality's] "automatic" situation.
Except you didn't. Here's the situation given, edited by me:
On June 19 2011 02:15 Mortality wrote: A player (1) doing very well in 2 matches (2) who has been successfully achieving a high win percentage over a longer period of time and (3) better tournament results to his name automatically gets the nod over a player who can only play one match against any remotely competent opponent.
You cite the March PR, where Bisu's stellar month won out over Stork's silver legacy, so:
On June 19 2011 06:49 hacklebeast wrote: Stork had put of consistent results for a long time, he was beating 2 races, and he was doing well in individual leagues.
Bisu only beat good zergs that month (and horang2, but it was a lesser horang2 than what we have today). All of his terran wins were against bad people. Maybe if we had thrown on some good terrans he could have beat them, maybe not. His history really didn't show much, with one or two quality wins spanning back to august.
Maybe if we had thrown best some protosses he would have beat them, maybe not, but he hasn't done anything recently to suggest that he has horrible vP (or vZ for that matter).
Here's the difficulty. I didn't watch most of those games, so I can't speak to strength of play, but by my tally we have:
Stork's February
PvP: 2-1 (good win, win, good loss) PvT: 2-1 (good win, win, good loss) PvZ: 0-1 (good loss)
Normally a 4-3 record doesn't put you on the PR, but Stork's record of achievement, Starleague runs, and quality of opponent kept him on and kept him high. (Also the lack of anybody good that month - great and Killer on the PR???).
Bisu's February.
PvP: 3-2 (good win, 2 wins, two good losses) PvT: 3-1 (good win, 2 wins, good loss) PvZ: 4-1 (2 good wins, 2 wins, good loss)
A 10-4 record is PR material. Without Bisu being Bisu, he would have been lower due to lack of Starleague results (or if anybody had actually been good - see Stork).
Obviously, Stork didn't play as many games, partly due to KHAN's strategy of holding him in reserve where SKT could and did send Bisu earlier due to having fantasy + a half-decent Zerg line for a change. But when we look at the criteria Mortality gave, based on February record:
(1) doing very well in 2 matches - tie, edge Bisu (2) who has been successfully achieving a high win percentage over a longer period of time - ??? (3) better tournament results to his name - Stork
Even without checking #2, the criteria are split between the two players. Now let's check #2. For a decent idea, let's look at their 3-month records:
Stork Bisu.
The edge goes to Bisu, with 76% wins to Stork's 70% on roughly the same number of games.
If we look at Proleague records as another indicator, Stork's 26-11 record is excellent (70%), but doesn't begin to touch Bisu's 42-8 (84%). Bisu takes it in a landslide.
So once again:
(1): tie, edge Bisu (2): Bisu (3): Stork
What you called a contradiction of the situation is actually one where Mortality's situation can't be applied because the criteria are split, but if we use the criteria anyway they favor the player who was ranked higher.
Now, as we've had several PR writers since 2006, and we've had several wtf??? PR moments (I'm looking at you, Flash), I'm sure you could find an exception to Mortality's "automatic" principle if you tried hard enough. But, one, given the subjective nature of the PR that doesn't prove the principle is wrong in general; two, sometimes unique circumstances override automatic principles, and three, the example you tried to give of an exception... wasn't.
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On June 19 2011 07:44 nodule wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 01:40 Soap wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2011 16:43 Elefanto wrote:On June 18 2011 14:15 Soap wrote: Sooo out of TBLS
Bisu is 4-0 but didn't pass OSL prelims Jaedong is 2-3 and MSL semifinalist Flash is 1-4 and MSL winner Stork switched to smartphone games
Should be a weird month. Not really, flash should be the clear #1. MSL win is just to big, on top that he has as many titles as nada. Rest depends on the rest of the month. He isn't #1 not even in ELO anymore, LOL Only because OSL prelim losses don't count against Bisu (whereas they clearly are important for power rank)
Again, my point is not that Bisu is better, just that if your #1 spot depends on the opponent failing in prelims you're not that scary anymore.
Also KT plays CeeeeeeeeJay next, Flash is toast
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(1) PvP was bisu's definite weakness over that time period, and no one argues against that. As for his vT, who was the good win? Reality was a rookie with ony 5 vP game prior, Frozen is just bad, and FBH hadn't sparked the run he is working on now yet, and vP has always been his weakness. Going specifically off of what he said, Stork needs to be doing "very well in 2 MUs" and he was. Bisu needs to "only be able to play one match again anyone remotely competent" And asides from one win over horang2 that holds true.
(2) it asked who had a good record longer. >70% are both good. Bisu has always been know as being more inconsistent (except as of late), but if you want something tangible, I just went back through past PRs to see who fell off first. It was bisu in Sept.
I brought it up because now multiple times mortality has brought up a seemingly arbitrary rule and just left it as if it was divine mandate. No explanation, no justification, just announcing that that's the way it is.
And it isn't.
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Thank you VGhost.
On June 19 2011 09:48 Soap wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 07:44 nodule wrote:On June 19 2011 01:40 Soap wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 18 2011 16:43 Elefanto wrote:On June 18 2011 14:15 Soap wrote: Sooo out of TBLS
Bisu is 4-0 but didn't pass OSL prelims Jaedong is 2-3 and MSL semifinalist Flash is 1-4 and MSL winner Stork switched to smartphone games
Should be a weird month. Not really, flash should be the clear #1. MSL win is just to big, on top that he has as many titles as nada. Rest depends on the rest of the month. He isn't #1 not even in ELO anymore, LOL Only because OSL prelim losses don't count against Bisu (whereas they clearly are important for power rank) Again, my point is not that Bisu is better, just that if your #1 spot depends on the opponent failing in prelims you're not that scary anymore. Also KT plays CeeeeeeeeJay next, Flash is toast
As I said earlier I really don't think Flash should even be playing PL games. In a Bo5 the fate of the world on the line right now there is no one I would trust even half as much as Flash. But in my unprofessional opinion he is going to permanently shorten his career if he keeps playing random meaningless (as I said, I'm pretty sure KT has already qualified for playoffs) PL matches on a bum wrist.
Everyone who follows PR should know by now that I am in no way shape or form a Flash apologist but is there any other choice for #1? In a random PL match the scariest player is Bisu, by far. In an important SL final the scariest player is Flash, by far. If Bisu were still in OSL a strong argument could go for him. But he isn't so that's moot. Same argument covers Soulkey. Even if we ignore that Zero is out of OSL as well Flash just 3-0'd him. Hydra is still in (seed to Ro24) but was 3-0'd by Flash. Jaedong... with people talking of dropping him completely, that should be obvious. And no way in hell do I condone sticking someone who is just the "flavor of the month" in as Rank 1.
Edit: @hacklebeast I'm not going to waste time with this any longer. The fact that you are now trying to play games with semantics when it is abundantly clear what I mean is proof that you are either a troll or absurdly out of touch with reality and too obstinate to recognize it. I'm washing my hands of this. Just, barring significant results that change the picture (e.g. Best humiliating a competent Zerg), don't be surprised when flamewheel shits all over your dream ranking.
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Wait, what is this whole Stork-Bisu arguement? Yeah the OSL pre-lims were embarrasing but considering Stork's recent preformance theres no way it should be Stork>Bisu.
And the Bisu vs Flash argument is stupid. Bisu still needs to get over his individual league slump before he can ever be above Flash, unless Flash really mucks it up. Bisu probably deserves a good 3-5th spot at this point.
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If you didn't mean for it to be an unwavering rule, you probably shouldn't have bolded "automatically". From my "out of touch with reality" perspective, I thought that was an absolute.
I don't see where all the hostility is coming from. You make a statement, I show why I think it's wrong, you call me names. If you didn't want to talk about your opinions, then why post? If you think something I said was wrong, or "trollish" as you put it, let me know so I can explain where I'm coming from.
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Shouldn't it be obvious that in real life a "rule" is not an absolute? By "automatic" I mean that if you violate this "rule" you better have an extremely compelling argument (and if you think your argument about Best qualifies as extremely compelling the words "out of touch with reality" repeat themselves). And obviously just finding an example of my "automatic" not holding doesn't make you correct because screw ups do happen. It's a rule that I can't punch someone in the dick during a soccer game but it's not hard to find painful clips of blind refs allowing such illegal moves.
And why am I hostile? Because you're being infuriating. Take a look at this from an outside perspective:
Your view both goes against consensus and is contrary to most commonly observed statistical indicators (ELO: Horang2 is higher and still rising, month-to-date record: same for both players, past 10 games: Horang2 is higher, 3 month record: Horang2 is higher, 6 month record: Horang2 is higher, 12 month record: Horang2 is higher, recent tournament results: Horang2 is higher, last 10 games per matchup: Best: 6-4 vT, 4-6 vZ, 5-5 vP, Horang2: 4-6 vT, 8-2 vZ, 7-3 vP -- Horang2 is higher). This doesn't necessarily mean that you're wrong, but it should suggest that if you wish to make a compelling argument then you need to bring a special insight to the table that argues why the player who on paper is better and is commonly viewed as better is in fact worse.
Here are your problems:
1. The entire premise of your argument is based on what I have already pointed out to be a logical fallacy. You want to say "let's forget everything except for this month."
Okay, let's do that. This month Flash is 0-2 against Protoss. So since we have forgotten EVERYTHING IN BROODWAR HISTORY except for this month, that means Flash has a 0% win record against Protoss.
The logical fallacy you are committing is saying "let's forget everything" and then using data from PRIOR to this month in order to gauge the level of competition. You cannot have it both ways. Either we look at record in context of history or we ignore history completely in which case we forget that Flash is an S-class player with the highest vP ELO of all time.
When I say "history" I clearly am putting increasing amount of weight on more recent results. A result from 1 month ago means more than a result from 2 months ago means more than a result from 3 months ago, etc. I do not totally forget everything. The fact that Best was once a superstar means that he can never be entirely written off. But the fact that he was suffering the WORST SLUMP of his career only just a couple months ago, a slump so bad he was thinking of QUITTING means we cannot just automatically assume that a few wins strung together means he's back in the form he was in during 2008.
2. Point one: A player has limited control over who he faces. Is Best only playing Terran because his team is utilizing him as a sniper or is he drawing Terran by random chance? We don't know. Did Horang2 deliberately choose "easy" opponents this month? I highly doubt that. If we want to look from a purely statistical viewpoint it doesn't make sense to penalize Horang2 just because his schedule this month is lighter than it was last month.
Point 2: There is random variation in terms of results, always. Sometimes on a bad month a good player will only go 50%, sometimes on a good month he will go 100%. Similarly, we SL isn't run monthly, so important matches may not necessarily "play nicely" with the PR schedule.
Combining Points 1 and 2, how do we interpret this random variation? The logical way to do this, the commonly accepted way by the overwhelming majority on this forum, is to think of this month's data in terms of how it jostles last month's ranking. We don't reassemble the ranking from scratch: we bump people up or we bump them down based on what this month shows us.
What this means is that when comparing Best and Horang2, if recent results are comparable I will look at more indicators to judge. I will go back further in time. I will look at what matchups are being played and who the opponents are. Rejecting this kind of comparison simply because you do not like how it makes your homeboy look is not acceptable. If you want to convince me that I shouldn't need to look at that then you need to show me something I've missed.
3. Regarding this special something, you should not be arguing out of TLPD, especially because the raw numbers TLPD spits back do not bode in favor of your argument.
I would have known this without even opening TLPD since I view TLPD almost every single day, usually multiple times during the course of a day. Typically when I post something in PR I have browsed through 10-20 different TLPD pages to help organize my thoughts. That you would continue with an argument of "Best's 8-1 means more" when I can look at TLPD myself and see the picture right away carries the implied insult that I am somehow to stupid to read the tables.
4. If you wish to seriously add to the discussion, then the burden of proof is on you. Most people clearly don't agree with you and TLPD clearly doesn't agree with you. You have to show us why what you say is true. Guys like me who like talking about this stuff and get excited about it can easily get suckered into doing all the work (that is, sorting through the numbers), but if all you're going to do is make a claim, wait for me to post A Giant Wall of Text like this post, and then play semantics with what I write then I'm not going to be happy with you because you aren't adding to the discussion like that. If you think playing semantics with me is "showing me why I'm wrong" then you need to think about why I write what I write (hint: not to perfect my literary ability) and how I'll feel after having taken the time to write A Giant Wall of Text. If something's not clear, ask. You'll get another Giant Wall of Text. Probably.
Contrary to what you may think I am perfectly willing to listen to a logical argument. I've changed my opinions before. But every indicator is against you and all you are doing is casually dismissing Horang2's opponents despite all he's been doing lately and hyping up Best's opponents when the only good ones were all Terran and I'm still uneasy about saying Best's slump is over. People said it was over last year during the PL playoffs and then 6 months later he's slumping harder than ever. Show me solid evidence that will not happen again if you want to convince me that Best is back.
There. All that. A Wall of Text explanation is my way of apologizing for saying harsh words.
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On June 18 2011 14:49 scrubtastic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 12:12 GolemMadness wrote: This OSL business is bizarre. Bisu loses against a bad zerg, Horang2 gets 2-0ed in PVP, Major trashes everyone... What is going on?! Honestly prelims kinda suck. You gotta win against a bunch of people in a row, you are lacking information about lots of your opponents' playstyle/opening build orders while the highly televised progamers have their matches available for study, and cheese is very likely.
You would really not be saying this if you actually watched Bisu's Bo3 against Hyvaa in the prelims.
(Yes, he got beaten by Hyvaa who is <50% vs Protoss in a straight up match!)
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On June 19 2011 16:35 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 14:49 scrubtastic wrote:On June 18 2011 12:12 GolemMadness wrote: This OSL business is bizarre. Bisu loses against a bad zerg, Horang2 gets 2-0ed in PVP, Major trashes everyone... What is going on?! Honestly prelims kinda suck. You gotta win against a bunch of people in a row, you are lacking information about lots of your opponents' playstyle/opening build orders while the highly televised progamers have their matches available for study, and cheese is very likely. You would really not be saying this if you actually watched Bisu's Bo3 against Hyvaa in the prelims. (Yes, he got beaten by Hyvaa who is <50% vs Protoss in a straight up match!) Did YOU watch the games?
Because 5pool into 3hatch speedlings and 3hatch hydra bust is not what I consider straight up play at least. Just because the games turned out somewhat normally in the mid\lategame, did NOT mean they started out as straight up games, Hyvva was cheesing like his life was depending on it in the first 2 games...
Sure hyvva played exceptionally well, and did beat bisu soundly in a straight up game in game3, but game1 that he won was nothing straight up, hell Bisu lost like a gazillion probes defending the 3hatch ling all in. That game was just an anomaly of an all in that somehow actually turned out somewhat even, tho I think hyvva might have had an advantage after killing all those probes.
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On June 19 2011 16:35 aupstar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 18 2011 14:49 scrubtastic wrote:On June 18 2011 12:12 GolemMadness wrote: This OSL business is bizarre. Bisu loses against a bad zerg, Horang2 gets 2-0ed in PVP, Major trashes everyone... What is going on?! Honestly prelims kinda suck. You gotta win against a bunch of people in a row, you are lacking information about lots of your opponents' playstyle/opening build orders while the highly televised progamers have their matches available for study, and cheese is very likely. You would really not be saying this if you actually watched Bisu's Bo3 against Hyvaa in the prelims. (Yes, he got beaten by Hyvaa who is <50% vs Protoss in a straight up match!)
So finally cheesing is becoming straight up? Hum... interesting.
And i read some (not all) of the Bisu - Stork arguement and there is really no reason, Stork should be above Bisu, honestly there are not many ppl I would rank above Bisu this month and Stork is not one of them.
And also no1 spot is clearly Flashs.
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Game 1 was not a ling all-in (if you're talking about the second attack). After the 5 pool which Bisu defended fine (leaving them both even), what made a difference was a second ling wave that Bisu was not ready for, and cost him a fair bit. It was not all-in since hyvaa was on 3 base at the time with good econ. The reason he made a couple rounds of lings was because his spire timing (which was later than usual due to his opening), he had larva and minerals to burn while his spire was morphing. Bisu did lose that game straight up in their encounters, he got careless with his sair fleet, wasn't able to storm drop as usual, and got every one of his storms dodged nicely by the hydras. Even going dts every single game didn't save him.
He lost game 1 in the macro stage while he was on 3 base econ and had a large army (just not properly used), not because of cheese. He also lost game 3 straight up, because he got greedy and tried to double expo while his army was out of position and got punished for it.
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