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On July 27 2008 02:42 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2008 02:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On July 27 2008 01:20 ScarFace wrote: FORGG: Alright, hes good. Very good.
Jaedong: I don't see him going down in flames anytime soon.
Best: PVZ needs a lot of work but his pvp is flawless and his pvt is world class, while other people may be more well rounded now, none of them are playing at his level- in his good match ups.
Flash: Seems to be petering around but preferential treatment is sometimes given, but should be dropped next month if he doesn't prove that hes still a monster.
Kal: All round strong player, but not really a champion.
July: Your osl was full of cream puff opponents, prove to me you can zvt and that you are truly back, and you will go higher up. As of now, you just aren't as well rounded as people above you, and haven't really faced any quality enemies in a long series- Best's pvz is awkward.
Luxury: Duh
Hwasin: Nothing has showed me he still isn't a very strong player. Will he be winning a star league? Probably not, but hes still strong as hell.
Lomo: He's got style, and he went far last MSL, he will probably do the same this season.
Shuttle: Semi Final of the GSL? Yes please, welcome to the PR. Flash has been slumping for 2 months now. Kal and July are playing better. Also if Shuttle gets PR so should BackHO. Besides, Shuttle hasn't beaten anyone good in PL really. I have a feeling he'll be on by next season though. BackHo got way better results. Also, watch out for the zerg Huskal. His game against Hwasin in the GSL were pretty amazing. If he cleans up his micro he should be getting results next season. If I was going to put anyone above Flash it would be Kal, but not July. Hes not well rounded. As to Backho, hes got one good match up. Hes TERRIBLE at pvz, meh at pvt. He makes the most idiotic of decisions. I don't care if he makes it to a semi final of the gsl or not, hes still playing worse than shuttle and everyone else on the pr, indisputably.
And OSL semis.
If Flash can pull off the GSL, I'd trust him over July, but he hasn't even gotten decent results in PL against less than stellar players. He needs to rethink his TvT.
You can't argue with results. BackHO should get at least the tenth spot. He did will in the individual leagues, and he definitely didn't have a cream puff list of opponents. Shuttle did well in GSL, which is the least important starleague, and he's been near useless in PL.
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On July 27 2008 02:42 ScarFace wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2008 02:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On July 27 2008 01:20 ScarFace wrote: FORGG: Alright, hes good. Very good.
Jaedong: I don't see him going down in flames anytime soon.
Best: PVZ needs a lot of work but his pvp is flawless and his pvt is world class, while other people may be more well rounded now, none of them are playing at his level- in his good match ups.
Flash: Seems to be petering around but preferential treatment is sometimes given, but should be dropped next month if he doesn't prove that hes still a monster.
Kal: All round strong player, but not really a champion.
July: Your osl was full of cream puff opponents, prove to me you can zvt and that you are truly back, and you will go higher up. As of now, you just aren't as well rounded as people above you, and haven't really faced any quality enemies in a long series- Best's pvz is awkward.
Luxury: Duh
Hwasin: Nothing has showed me he still isn't a very strong player. Will he be winning a star league? Probably not, but hes still strong as hell.
Lomo: He's got style, and he went far last MSL, he will probably do the same this season.
Shuttle: Semi Final of the GSL? Yes please, welcome to the PR. Flash has been slumping for 2 months now. Kal and July are playing better. Also if Shuttle gets PR so should BackHO. Besides, Shuttle hasn't beaten anyone good in PL really. I have a feeling he'll be on by next season though. BackHo got way better results. Also, watch out for the zerg Huskal. His game against Hwasin in the GSL were pretty amazing. If he cleans up his micro he should be getting results next season. If I was going to put anyone above Flash it would be Kal, but not July. Hes not well rounded. As to Backho, hes got one good match up. Hes TERRIBLE at pvz, meh at pvt. He makes the most idiotic of decisions. I don't care if he makes it to a semi final of the gsl or not, hes still playing worse than shuttle and everyone else on the pr, indisputably.
Backho 3-2 Flash eZ 3 game Cheese.
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United States40776 Posts
End of the day he's just come off wins against Kal, Ganzi and Stork in the GSL and JangBi, Bisu and Much in the OSL. Name one player I didn't list as above him in my rank who could do that. I mean jeez. Kal is very good. JangBi, Stork, Much and Bisu are all top level players and even Ganzi is showing some great play. Show me another contender for #10 who produces anything like that quality of results and I'll agree with you. Just claiming somebody else is more skilled than him when BackHo wins the games and they don't displays a very poor understanding of what skill does.
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Russian Federation4333 Posts
Sigh...... SIGH
You know Bisu didn't get 1'st place after he 3-0 Nalra and 3-0 Savior. Those were the best vs P players of that time but Bisu has still remained below Savior. If we compare Bisu's and ForGG's road, Bisu's was far more spectacular. Nalra + Savior >> Flash + Jaedong. I honestly think (and hope of course) that ForGG will just be another Mind and will slump after these finals.
Jaedong for #1. PLEASE! ! ! ! ! ! !
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On July 26 2008 19:53 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:by the way, i hereby give everyone carte blanche to make fun of me in this thread for thinking there was no way forgg could beat jaedong in the final the penalty for being smug because you're usually right is that people get to have some fun when you're wrong
HEY STEVE REMEMBER OUR BATTLE.NET DISCUSSION OF THESE FINALS? "Jaedong will rape that scrub, fOrGG sucks, no chance, are you fucking serious" etc.
Well guess what.
Lulz.
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Can we plz have July over Best. July won't be doing that much other than 2v2, and Best has all the time in the world to rise to the top. Just my input.
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On July 27 2008 06:45 Athos wrote: Can we plz have July over Best. July won't be doing that much other than 2v2, and Best has all the time in the world to rise to the top. Just my input.
That would be great, if July was doing better, and had a more consistent record this month. But he doesn't.
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On July 27 2008 04:50 TheTyranid wrote: Sigh...... SIGH
You know Bisu didn't get 1'st place after he 3-0 Nalra and 3-0 Savior. Those were the best vs P players of that time but Bisu has still remained below Savior. If we compare Bisu's and ForGG's road, Bisu's was far more spectacular. Nalra + Savior >> Flash + Jaedong. I honestly think (and hope of course) that ForGG will just be another Mind and will slump after these finals.
Jaedong for #1. PLEASE! ! ! ! ! ! !
I think overall, Flash and Jaedong are way stronger than Savior and Nal_rA were. Mostly because there's an obvious weak link in the second pair.
Bisu beat Iris/Canata in the first round and lost to rA, then beat Hwasin, Light, Nal_rA, and Savior. Meanwhile ForGG beat Kal/HerO in the first round, Sea, Kal, Flash, and Jaedong. Even if you count the first round as roughly even (although ForGG didn't need an extra game), Hwasin wasn't very good at TvP back then, Light has always been shaky (although he was emerging as MBC's ace at the time). So even if you consider Savior+Nal_rA>Flash+Jaedong (I don't), Sea and Kal are way stronger contenders than Hwasin and Light were.
Bisu may have notched down Savior and not gotten #1, but ForGG undid the consistent #1 and #2 of the power rank, plus Kal who has been middling in the PR for quite some time. Compare this to Bisu: Etter didn't even put him on the PR after beating Light. Nal_rA and Hwasin were middle of the pack the month before. Bisu's path would have been as hard as ForGG's if he had to beat someone like Midas (although looking back on that MSL, the Terrans were quite weak). Although SKT1's one starleague policy kept that from happening.
At any rate, at no point did ForGG look all that weak on his way to winning this MSL. Bisu did, and his competition was a good deal easier than ForGG's (exception being Savior). ForGG is an easy #1 in my book.
Incidentally Etter put Jaedong at #10 the month Bisu took over #1. >_>
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I must say Steve, I don't envy your job next month :p.
It would be Irony of ironys if the top of the power rank was people who came in second or worse in a starleage.
And below them were the people that won.
Ugh, ForGG reminds me so much of Mind that it's disgusting.
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I guess the only hope now for Jaedong would be an absolute RAPE, more so than he received in the MSL, over Flash to prove his ZvT is not weak and he is a champion. (For the #1 spot)
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On July 27 2008 04:50 TheTyranid wrote: Sigh...... SIGH
You know Bisu didn't get 1'st place after he 3-0 Nalra and 3-0 Savior. Those were the best vs P players of that time but Bisu has still remained below Savior. If we compare Bisu's and ForGG's road, Bisu's was far more spectacular. Nalra + Savior >> Flash + Jaedong. I honestly think (and hope of course) that ForGG will just be another Mind and will slump after these finals.
Jaedong for #1. PLEASE! ! ! ! ! ! ! You made the very point for forgg being number 1. Jaedong is not Savior. FORGG beat them, he overtakes them. There is no 'bonjwa' right now.
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On July 27 2008 01:19 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2008 01:12 IdrA wrote:On July 26 2008 20:57 Kwark wrote: BackHo has gotten into two semifinals in the same season. What's Leta done? been a far more skilled player than backho Kal, Ganzi and Stork isn't an easy walk to the semis. Much harder than FlaShs path. BackHo keeps winning games. Care to explain that? hes protoss? seriously, have you ever actually seen him play or do you just look at results?
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Two semi-finals appearances is minor material.
All this bonjwa talk is ridiculous.
I'm going to make a bold prediction: we're never going to see another player dominating all the leagues ever again. It's too difficult to stay on top in this day and age.
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On July 27 2008 10:36 Showtime! wrote: Two semi-finals appearances is minor material.
All this bonjwa talk is ridiculous.
I'm going to make a bold prediction: we're never going to see another player dominating all the leagues ever again. It's too difficult to stay on top in this day and age.
I think it would be a bolder predicition to say otherwise.
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United States40776 Posts
On July 27 2008 10:28 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2008 01:19 Kwark wrote:On July 27 2008 01:12 IdrA wrote:On July 26 2008 20:57 Kwark wrote: BackHo has gotten into two semifinals in the same season. What's Leta done? been a far more skilled player than backho Kal, Ganzi and Stork isn't an easy walk to the semis. Much harder than FlaShs path. BackHo keeps winning games. Care to explain that? hes protoss? seriously, have you ever actually seen him play or do you just look at results? Of course I've seen him play. I love watching BackHo play because he's hilarious. But at the end of the day you can say "you're bad" as often as you like but he still won the damn game. Kal, Stork, Much, Bisu, JangBi, Ganzi. What more do you want?
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Valhalla18444 Posts
bad pvp, slump, bad pvp, bad pvp, bad pvp, bad player
next
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United States40776 Posts
And your candidate for #10 that could beat those guys?
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On July 26 2008 20:57 Kwark wrote: BackHo has gotten into two semifinals in the same season. What's Leta done?
Sorry actually forget Shuttle place BackHO on the 10th spot just because he is better then him i do think because shuttle failed in PL and was looking by far the worst then any protoss has vs JD i do think . Leta on the other hand is rapeing in PL at the moment were it counts the most top shit left right and center .
Edit: on the other hand just place someone else who comes on your mind i would argue See has done as much to be here next month
To tell you all the truth BackHO didn't look especially bad vs July wants i saw July rape the shit out of Best , and i'm thinking that if he was playiing in the finals again vs July he would have played better then BEST had or at least survived the cheeses ....
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This was the most silliest season ever . We were argueing Best/Flash/Jaedong for number #1 spot in PR next month and then ForGG came out of nowhere and bich slaped all of them with a little help of July that is . ForGG is the only one who is desirveing the #1 PR next month he has stomped all top Shits in the MSL and has one of the best records in PL this season to back up his dominant performance . I think Jaedong should be second because he only lost to ForGG this month and Best was helpless vs July and + Show Spoiler + got steamrolled by Leta in the playoffs of all places... Flash hasn't looked good since he lost to luxury , maybe just in the Intel Classic . I think Leta should get a higher place next month because he steamrolls his competition in PL unlike the other big shots that are in here that is all . Yup and keep luxury high in this
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