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On July 07 2008 05:11 Pinselstrich wrote: What a dumb and pathetic PR that is. Although I didn't agree with many others too but at least you brought some real arguments into your write-ups. This, on the other side, is just plain ridicolous. If it isn't please tell me what Sea has DONE to get a no.1 spot? And no, adding you to his friendslist on west is not the kind of action I mean.
Has more heart than any other progamer, lol. As if you knew how much heart the ppl have, you seriously seem to be nothing more than a little fanboy, using the TLPR for his love-letters. Wow, I never thought you were such a nuthugger. -.-
Sea made an honest attempt to outreach to the foreign community of StarCraft, and if more Korean Progamers followed suit the progaming scene would be worlds better. Besides, it has been recognized that he is not the best player in terms of skill, although he is a PL beast.
Sea deserves recognition. Period. I don't find it "ridicolous" at all.
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Dude, wtf?!?!?!
Sea is more than deserving of phrases. He has opened new doors for the foreigner community! This isn't about fanboyism. A good contributor/innovation for e-sports is just as good. We're taking a step towards progress.
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Best is still great, not much has changed from last month. He came out of a grueling series with Luxury with a berth in the OSL final, where this Royal Road-walking phenom will face a two-time OSL champion.
This isn't Best's first OSL. He lost to Stork in the Bacchus OSL. (I understand your sentence to mean that Best is currently walking the Royal Road? If it means something else, sorry)
Nice rankings though. I agree with them for the most part.
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On July 07 2008 05:11 Pinselstrich wrote: What a dumb and pathetic PR that is. Although I didn't agree with many others too but at least you brought some real arguments into your write-ups. This, on the other side, is just plain ridicolous. If it isn't please tell me what Sea has DONE to get a no.1 spot? And no, adding you to his friendslist on west is not the kind of action I mean.
Has more heart than any other progamer, lol. As if you knew how much heart the ppl have, you seriously seem to be nothing more than a little fanboy, using the TLPR for his love-letters. Wow, I never thought you were such a nuthugger. -.- Fortunately fakesteve wrote that Much would be 11 if there were 11 spaces and went on to justify why. This means you have a power rank of Jaedong, FlaSh, BeSt, fOrGG, Kal, Luxury, JulyZerg, Lomo, Hwasin and Much, complete with all the usual reasoning and comments. Sea being #1 is joke, it is recognition of how cool Sea is being to us and does not in any way affect the rest of the ranking which is as professional and well thought out (if lacking in BackHos) as ever. I'd tell you to check you ancestry for Romanian blood but I just don't think that goes far enough. Instead check your ancestry for endemic incidents of incest, I suspect you have only two grandparents.
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On July 07 2008 05:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Sea made an honest attempt to outreach to the foreign community of StarCraft, and if more Korean Progamers followed suit the progaming scene would be worlds better. Besides, it has been recognized that he is not the best player in terms of skill, although he is a PL beast.
Sea deserves recognition. Period. I don't find it "ridicolous" at all.
I completely agree, he deserves recognition, but July or Flash or Best don't? That's what I'm questioning, I don't want to take anything away from Sea, but IMO it's disrespectful to players better than him that are practicing just as hard as he is and playing with "heart" just as much as he does... or even more. It's nice that the foreign community is treated so well by him, but that's sympathy and has nothing to do with power in regard of skillful play. As I see it fakesteve tried to put the #1 player skillwise in the #1 PR spot until now, so I don't understand what being a nice person has to do with. But yeah, nevermind, it's just the TLPR. Would be nice if tomorrow I'll read "Shine kespa ranked #1! He saved a school bus from falling over a cliff! He has a great heart and put his life in danger. He's the best EVER.".
@Kwark: I don't understand why you are flaming me for my opinion. Please leave my family out of this, as you don't know who I am. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard, so please don't insult me. As for the romanian part, the joke is getting old, don't you think? ^^
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You were flaming a perfectly good power rank because it put Sea #1 for reasons other than skill. If you want a skill based power rank you just had to look at ranks 2-11 (11 being Much). It really isn't that hard. And yet you completely failed to read it and just dismissed it out of hand. If you actually looked then you'd see that it is a skill based power rank with Sea as a joke in 1st. Just ignore Sea like everyone else who can work out that Sea is not really the strongest player in the world has.
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On July 06 2008 18:04 Last Romantic wrote: sea s2
how punny
p.s. julyzerg has been in 5 OSL finals iirc, 2:2 in them [win over iloveoov, goodfriend, loss to julyzerg, iloveoov] You mean wins over REACH (Gillette, his win over Oov was semifinals), GoodFriend (EVER04). Losses over NaDa (IOPS) and Oov (Shinhan05). I'm not very surprised to see that it was LR who forgets Reach was one of the ones who lost to July in an OSL final. lol!
As to those who are complaining about Sea being #1. SUCK IT UP. This isn't KeSPA, this is Team Liquid. We don't go by points, we don't go by wins. We go by our gut feeling and the impression the players have given. And Sea has shown a lot of TL <3 the past week, so FS decides to reward him in a small way. Got a problem with that? Too.Fucking.Bad.
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On July 07 2008 06:33 Pinselstrich wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2008 05:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Sea made an honest attempt to outreach to the foreign community of StarCraft, and if more Korean Progamers followed suit the progaming scene would be worlds better. Besides, it has been recognized that he is not the best player in terms of skill, although he is a PL beast.
Sea deserves recognition. Period. I don't find it "ridicolous" at all. I completely agree, he deserves recognition, but July or Flash or Best don't? That's what I'm questioning, I don't want to take anything away from Sea, but IMO it's disrespectful to players better than him that are practicing just as hard as he is and playing with "heart" just as much as he does... or even more. It's nice that the foreign community is treated so well by him, but that's sympathy and has nothing to do with power in regard of skillful play. As I see it fakesteve tried to put the #1 player skillwise in the #1 PR spot until now, so I don't understand what being a nice person has to do with. But yeah, nevermind, it's just the TLPR. Would be nice if tomorrow I'll read "Shine kespa ranked #1! He saved a school bus from falling over a cliff! He has a great heart and put his life in danger. He's the best EVER.". @Kwark: I don't understand why you are flaming me for my opinion. Please leave my family out of this, as you don't know who I am. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard, so please don't insult me. As for the romanian part, the joke is getting old, don't you think? ^^ ot l
It's not like the other players aren't reognized. This is just a one month nod to Sea for his outreach to the foreign community and TL. I doubt Jaedong would be offended.
Cheers!
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sea is like the captain planet kid who's ring power was "heart". that shit is essential.
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wow you all take the power ranking so seriously lol
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i'm more interested in an updated cbnc list
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In retrospect counting Much in at 11 makes it all not that bad.
But I had to lol when I picked up a few classic lines.
" A Powerful heart can endear you to the masses"
" Sea's TvZ is a sinister love affair"
"#1 in our hearts, this day and forevermore"
"Yum BoSung has the most Powerful heart"
This months PR, powered by
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I'm kind of amazed by some of the angry reactions this PR is getting. Ranks 2-Much are quite well justified, and there's nothing wrong at all with giving Sea thanks for doing something he didn't have to do in the least.
I'm also kind of amazed that Steve hasn't whipped out the ban hammer more.
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ban hammer? for what, justified critics? funny...
most of the koreans would open the doors to the foreigners if they would know to speak english and if they would have more time... their job is to play starcraft, not to hang out on west/east... and meet new friends online... if i have to play starcraft for 12 hours on a day i would like to meet real friends in real life when i would have free time..
this PR is here to give an opinion from foreign community for pro players - their skill and results.. this PR is insulting for players beneath sea... i mean, imagine jaedong or flash reading this.. they would say ' wtf, foreigners are so ignorant, they know shit about SC when they think that player without any success is better then us. I'm glad i'm not talking to them ' -.-
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On July 07 2008 08:47 purgerinho wrote: ban hammer? for what, justified critics? funny...
most of the koreans would open the doors to the foreigners if they would know to speak english and if they would have more time... their job is to play starcraft, not to hang out on west/east... and meet new friends online... if i have to play starcraft for 12 hours on a day i would like to meet real friends in real life when i would have free time..
this PR is here to give an opinion from foreign community for pro players - their skill and results.. this PR is insulting for players beneath sea... i mean, imagine jaedong or flash reading this.. they would say ' wtf, foreigners are so ignorant, they know shit about SC when they think that player without any success is better then us. I'm glad i'm not talking to them ' -.-
For ignorance and a bad attitude. Notice there are a few people who said they don't appreciate Sea being #1 who aren't banned~
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On July 07 2008 05:33 OrderlyChaos wrote:Show nested quote +Best is still great, not much has changed from last month. He came out of a grueling series with Luxury with a berth in the OSL final, where this Royal Road-walking phenom will face a two-time OSL champion. This isn't Best's first OSL. He lost to Stork in the Bacchus OSL. (I understand your sentence to mean that Best is currently walking the Royal Road? If it means something else, sorry) Nice rankings though. I agree with them for the most part.
Wowow, good call, can't believe I missed that
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On July 07 2008 00:57 ScarFace wrote: This is a shitty power rank. Besides the joke of Sea, where the hell is much? Why is july and luxury so god damn low? I understand july not being really high, but he deserves seven or something for a FINAL. Luxury went pretty far...choked...but you still cant deny his play. FORGG is too high all together, he still can only play two match ups you know, well. I have no clue why Hwasin dropped so brutally, other players who got knocked out of the msl kept their positions or were actually rewarded for it. For the third month in a row, I am forced to say, this is a shitty power rank. :\
Okay, first of all, mind your manners. This is so close to bordering on rudeness I won't tolerate. This isn't the first time you've been rude about the PR, but you're genuinely discussing the rankings rather than just flippantly telling me to go fuck myself, so there's no real problem. Just be nice okay?
Much is in the CBNC, he'd be 10th on the PR.
Luxury is lower because he didnt play up to the standard at which he would have to during games 4 and 5 of his OSL semifinal. Please understand that Luxury is one of my favourite players, but I simply had to place him lower than other people who have been performing better with more consistency overall.
July isn't higher because all he's really done this OSL is kick the shit out of terrible Protoss players. Once he does something more than that, his placement will change
fOrGG is so high because he is playing really, really well. I'm not sure what else to say to you, watch some of his games.
Hwasin dropped brutally because despite being in-shape and obviously able to play well at the time of his series vs jaedong (look how one-sided game one was), he was completely outclassed by Jaedong. After the second game he didn't even put up a fight. You want me to reward players for playing terribly just because it happened to be in the MSL round of 8?
Now, let's just talk about you for a moment. Do YOU watch every single pro game every month? Do YOU have six years of experience analyzing professional starcraft? Do YOU appreciate every nuance, every subtlety of the games you watch? I do, that's why I write the Power Rank. If you don't, maybe you aren't in a position to call anything "shitty", hmm?
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But seriously Steve, I know you don't like BackHo but the man got results. Beating Jaedong could be written off as cheese but he did more than that to reach the semi final. What has Much done this month that places him above BackHo? In fact, has Much ever been in a semi final? BackHo is simply playing at a higher level.
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On July 07 2008 09:28 Kwark wrote: But seriously Steve, I know you don't like BackHo but the man got results. Beating Jaedong could be written off as cheese but he did more than that to reach the semi final. What has Much done this month that places him above BackHo? In fact, has Much ever been in a semi final? BackHo is simply playing at a higher level.
you're mistaken. I adore backho, but he sucks
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I'm going to rewatch the semifinal (I watched it on a second screen while playing bw on the main screen) before I renew my campaign for BackHo. If he did his usual and did a perfectly executed stove (or some other awful strategy) and promptly got owned by a "lolwut?" July then I'll keep maintaining that BackHo is a genius who made a vow to a dying mentor on their deathbed that he would never conform to the standard ideas of strategy and decision making. If however he was just outclassed, despite playing properly, then I guess I'll have to let it pass.
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