Power Rank 08/04/2009 - Page 5
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4795 Posts
But he is not playing like a champion... he is playing like a sick TvT specialist. He gets reamed by players with good PvT or good ZvT, and this has been true for going on half a year. Jaedong/Bisu dominate all matchups (maybe Effort too), Fantasy/Stork/Jangbi/Yarnc/Calm can play at least two matchups like pimps and survive their weak one (maybe Leta too). Flash needs to hulk back up. | ||
DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
On August 04 2009 11:57 Severedevil wrote: My first exposure to professional Starcraft was GomTV season 1, and GSI; it was made clear to me that Flash is a baller. I'm fully aware that Flash was a juggernaut, is not overhyped, and may well come back to be the best player in the world again. But he is not playing like a champion... he is playing like a sick TvT specialist. He gets reamed by players with good PvT or good ZvT, and this has been true for going on half a year. Jaedong/Bisu dominate all matchups (maybe Effort too), Fantasy/Stork/Jangbi/Yarnc/Calm can play at least two matchups like pimps and survive their weak one (maybe Leta too). Flash needs to hulk back up. Stick fantasy up there with Jaedong/Bisu. His TvP is seriously S class, and his TvT is solid. Don't forget that when he ISNT playing some stupid bio shit, Fantasy has some seriously dangerous TvZ skills as well. Stork/Jangbi/Yarnc/Calm/Effort/Leta imo are getting there. The day Jangbi bulks up his PvZ is gonna be the day every programmer dies. Fo'realz~ His PvT is Stork's level, His PvP is ABOVE stork's level. He is basically Stork v.2 ; everything Stork has amplified | ||
Ideas
United States7944 Posts
On August 04 2009 12:29 DreaM)XeRO wrote: everything Stork has amplified including his slump lol | ||
Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
On August 04 2009 12:29 DreaM)XeRO wrote: No. Don't you fucking dare retroactively give Fantasy an S class level tvz cause thats a load of crap. He's an s class series player, and thats the only time fantasy has looked anything above mediocre in tvz- and even that was due to his strong macro carrying his tvz in pl. Stick fantasy up there with Jaedong/Bisu. His TvP is seriously S class, and his TvT is solid. Don't forget that when he ISNT playing some stupid bio shit, Fantasy has some seriously dangerous TvZ skills as well. Stork/Jangbi/Yarnc/Calm/Effort/Leta imo are getting there. The day Jangbi bulks up his PvZ is gonna be the day every programmer dies. Fo'realz~ His PvT is Stork's level, His PvP is ABOVE stork's level. He is basically Stork v.2 ; everything Stork has amplified | ||
iamho
3344 Posts
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
On August 04 2009 13:13 iamho wrote: why is canata so high? he went 5-2 in both ro8s, and his only wins were with bunker rush openings 1) Both his wins were against Jaedong, and fantasy's TvT isn't that bad either. Also he got to the Ro8. In two leagues. 2) Bunker rushes are becoming a standard part of the TvZ opening game, either to buy time for mech tech or just to disrupt the opening flow. So it's not really a knock on Canata to say he used a bunker rush opening - especially as he was facing Jaedong. You do what you have to to win. Also you mean 2-5, wins usually come first. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Nuj
United States24 Posts
That being said, he hasn't had much of a chance to prove himself this past month, and I think it's fair to let other players bask in the glory of being in the PR. Anyway, I'll expect to see Flash back in the top 10 after he wins GOM, and I am also looking forward to seeing some all-kills in the STX Masters. KT Fingerboom Fighting! (I feel like I debase the serious tone of my post by mentioning the word "Fingerboom") | ||
Vasoline73
United States7669 Posts
Anyways. Curious about why you don't approve Plexa! Let us know! | ||
Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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nonduc
Russian Federation405 Posts
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rredtooth
5458 Posts
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2783 Posts
I don't disagree strongly with Flash's exclusion from this rank, but I do think that Flash critics fail to understand that what Jaedong did for OZ this year, Flash did for KT, except that KT-without-Flash sucked even worse than OZ-without-JD. Too bad for Flash. Also the kid has been quietly winning GOM like a nuclear stealth torpedo. If he loses this tournament I will be in shock. Flash has been the king of TvT ever since the GSI/Bacchus period. Edit: basically what I'm saying is that the only reason why we have no tangible evidence this year of how good Flash is, is that his team is fucking atrocious. How do you not make the playoffs when you have the player tied for most wins with Jaedong? Good god Luxury, to think that you were once S-class just makes my head spin. | ||
darktreb
United States3014 Posts
Kerry Wood tied a major league record in striking out 20 batters in just his fifth start (and as a 20 year old). I remember watching this game and as ridiculous as it sounds, he didn't "just strike out 20 batters" ... he absolutely murdered the Houston lineup. This wasn't a crummy lineup either - it had some great hitters including two future Hall of Famers (Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio) in their primes. The only hit Houston got was an infield dribbler that went 60 feet and was bobbled by the third basemen (easily could have been an error), and by many accounts it was the most dominant game ever pitched. Naturally, people went insane about Wood. What everyone forgot was that he was just 20 years old (extremely young for a baseball player in the big leagues) and that a lot of things can happen. If you want to read more about Kerry Wood, I would recommend this great article by the New York Times at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/playmagazine/0603play-wood.html When Flash took down Jaedong (reigning OSL champion), Bisu, and Stork (previous OSL runner up and indisputed best PvT player) in succession at age FIFTEEN (since then I don't think a single progamer has even qualified for OSL at that age) in Bacchus, it was hard not to look at him the same way. Flash went 8-2 against JD/Bisu/Stork, with 6-1 against Bisu/Stork and 3-1 on Troy/Katrina, two of the worst TvP maps of all time. It feels like an eternity ago but Flash is STILL younger than Jaedong was when he won his first Starleague (and Jaedong is the youngest Starleague winner ever other than Flash). Ever since then, the expectations have been clear - become the greatest player of all time, or you're a failure. Lately, Flash has been a failure, at least by everyone's standards (and I'm sure he would admit he hasn't lived up to his own expectations either). I don't think Flash fans are oversupporting him here - we're just as frustrated as everyone else that he doesn't do better, and many of us are perfectly ok with him not being on this PR. We expect more of him too. What's annoying is people saying things like "finally he's off the PR" as if his 53-19 record in PL (one loss better than Jaedong by the way), making GOM finals without a loss, and making both leagues again is absolutely meaningless. I just want to know: - Why are Flash's losses to Calm and Kal on his birthday so much more heavily scrutinized than Jaedong blowing PL games that cost Oz first place? Both had similar schedules at the time (Flash actually played more games in June). Also Calm has proven himself to be a very good ZvT player and Kal isn't exactly a scrub either. - Why are Flash's losses to Yarnc and JD so much less defensible than Skyhigh absolutely BLOWING two straight games to Zero? Not to mention Skyhigh 1-2 July while Flash 3-0'd him ... and this is coming from a huge Skyhigh fan. Yarnc and JD are arguably the two best ZvT players in the world - yes Flash's builds were not smart but two weeks earlier everyone was hailing the "new Flash build" after he rolled multiple mediocre Zergs in a row with them. No, Flash doesn't deserve to be on this PR. But he doesn't deserve the hate he's getting. Did everyone forget that he absolutely crushed Canata in MSL? Is there any doubt Flash would have gone to RO8 if he'd faced Piano like Canata did instead of the ultimate wildcard Kwanro? Hell, he probably would have made OSL RO8 in Canata's group there as well. Did everyone forget that Skyhigh TvZ'd his way out of GOM and MSL? Or that type-b has played like 15 games total in the past 2 months? Many players have had weak spots but somehow Flash's just get magnified by a factor of 10. He's not the greatest player ever, or even the best Terran player right now, get over it guys. Sorry he "disappointed" everyone. All I know is he has the second highest winning percentage out of all players behind JD, and that in three months Canata will be forgotten again and Skyhigh still won't be better than him. Count on it. | ||
ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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johanes
Czech Republic2226 Posts
On August 04 2009 19:00 ghostWriter wrote: This is a monthly ranking, Flash isn't here because his recent performance has been bad. Stop talking about bo5s or whatever because that kind of argument makes no sense. Being a top 10 player and showing skills and results in a month is different. how the hell is being in GOM Final WITHOUT a single loss bad by any standard?! This PW rank is terrible joke, please fix.You put there players who reach semis or won few PL matches, but no place for finalist? Reconsider your standards. | ||
Vasoline73
United States7669 Posts
On August 04 2009 19:00 ghostWriter wrote: This is a monthly ranking, Flash isn't here because his recent performance has been bad. Stop talking about bo5s or whatever because that kind of argument makes no sense. Being a top 10 player and showing skills and results in a month is different. It's the power rank. It's monthly, but it's also supposed to paint a picture of the top 10 SC players. I just don't see how Flash isn't top 10. | ||
Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I wonder where Bisu and Iris would be on the PR if it was published today instead of yesterday... | ||
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