[G] Grandmaster by 6pooling, how to - Page 24
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NTTemplar
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On November 09 2011 01:38 ppterodactyl wrote: Further proving that Grandmaster means nothing. User was warned for this post LOL GrandMasters is a broken league, as was made extremely easy to get into if you just played games on the day of the patch. If you didn't play games on the day of the patch, then you had a hard to getting GM, but if you did, you easily got into GM with just a few decent wins. Broken league.... GM doesn't mean jack shit. So many noobs in NA GM this seasons. | ||
coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
On November 13 2011 14:56 Shinta) wrote: LOL GrandMasters is a broken league, as was made extremely easy to get into if you just played games on the day of the patch. If you didn't play games on the day of the patch, then you had a hard to getting GM, but if you did, you easily got into GM with just a few decent wins. Broken league.... GM doesn't mean jack shit. So many noobs in NA GM this seasons. They fixed the bug this season, and I don't think there are 'so many noobs' this season | ||
bddblade
United States1 Post
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On November 13 2011 15:03 HenryZ wrote: They fixed the bug this season, and I don't think there are 'so many noobs' this season There are more noobs this season than any season prior, and this is the worst GM season ever, so yeah. It's worse. | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
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satsang
39 Posts
For the haters of this thread how is that any different from protoss and terrean allins? It is just as allin. | ||
apalemorning
Canada509 Posts
On November 13 2011 14:15 Fairchild wrote: I've seen this thread so many times and until 24 hours ago I never read it through. Since last night I've been promoted to masters using only 6 pool vs T/P and your ZvZ 7pool. I've gotta say, thank you!! I'm done cheesing, I just wanted to get over the gap. Been top 8 diamond for 2 seasons and had enough. Thank you so close to doing this myself. i beat mid/high masters on a everday basis but damn blizz wont promote me. srsly, takes 30 wins in a row. i've lost 4 out of my last 18/19. | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
On November 14 2011 19:30 satsang wrote: Bad_Habit, thank you very much for this thread. I've never 6 pooled before.I am high master zerg in EU. I've decided to try your strats and i have seen that there is a huge difference between someone like me and you. I ended dropping almost to diamond :D. You sir have the best micro i have ever seen. So this thread helped me realize the game on a deeper level. Thank you. For the haters of this thread how is that any different from protoss and terrean allins? It is just as allin. dont quit | ||
CojL
Sweden26 Posts
*glasses* he put the pool before the hatch | ||
Noxie
United States2227 Posts
I commend you, I would hate to hit this on ladder. But you seem to have mastered the 6 pool pretty well. | ||
Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Ripps
Canada97 Posts
I don't think any of OP's accomplishments are worth anything. People often accuse video games of getting people hooked by offering a "false sense of accomplishment." I think Starcraft is different. To channel Day[9], Starcraft is a game that requires more than "lackadaisical button pushing", it requires the fine-motor skills of a musician and the imaginative though processes of a chess player. To put it simply, STARCRAFT IS HARD. Day[9] says that the reason he felt so proud when he won the WCG Pan American Championship is because he got so good at something so hard. That's real achievement. This build will never give you the same feeling. It is easily defended if you know it's coming. Why would you want to accomplish this? What value does it have? It's not esports. It's not skillful. It's stupid. People will not improve if they do this strategy. If you want to be a Starcraft player, this is not the build for you. As Bad_Habit's manner shows, this is a build for pieces of trash. | ||
Warlock40
601 Posts
On November 15 2011 06:40 Ripps wrote: Anyone congratulating or saying this guys is good is being blinded by the flashy gold GM badge. Real achievement isn't measured in leagues. It's not measured in wins or badges or portraits or any of that crap and if you think it is you're playing the wrong game. This game is about skill. I don't think any of OP's accomplishments are worth anything. People often accuse video games of getting people hooked by offering a "false sense of accomplishment." I think Starcraft is different. To channel Day[9], Starcraft is a game that requires more than "lackadaisical button pushing", it requires the fine-motor skills of a musician and the imaginative though processes of a chess player. To put it simply, STARCRAFT IS HARD. Day[9] says that the reason he felt so proud when he won the WCG Pan American Championship is because he got so good at something so hard. That's real achievement. This build will never give you the same feeling. It is easily defended if you know it's coming. Why would you want to accomplish this? What value does it have? It's not esports. It's not skillful. It's stupid. People will not improve if they do this strategy. If you want to be a Starcraft player, this is not the build for you. As Bad_Habit's manner shows, this is a build for pieces of trash. lol this is probably one of the guys who BMs everyone on ladder because they're all noobs except for him. Look mate, did you even read the OP, or did you start typing your monologue the moment you saw "6 pool"? | ||
Ripps
Canada97 Posts
On November 15 2011 06:48 Warlock40 wrote: lol this is probably one of the guys who BMs everyone on ladder because they're all noobs except for him. Look mate, did you even read the OP, or did you start typing your monologue the moment you saw "6 pool"? I've read it more than once. I'm very manner. Instead of trying to psycoanalyze me over the internet, just answer these questions: Does this build help make you a better player? What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)? By answering these two questions, you should be able to figure out whether this strat is "good" or whether this guy is a "good" player. | ||
Bad_Habit
Germany243 Posts
what people have to understand is that there is not one opinion for everyone. everyone can have an opinion. so stop insulting everyone who is not going with ur opinion plz. | ||
CapnAmerica
United States508 Posts
On November 15 2011 08:38 Ripps wrote: I've read it more than once. I'm very manner. Instead of trying to psycoanalyze me over the internet, just answer these questions: Does this build help make you a better player? What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)? By answering these two questions, you should be able to figure out whether this strat is "good" or whether this guy is a "good" player. To answer your questions... Does this build help make you a better player? Yes, this will 100% make you a better player. Unit micro allows you to turn resources into wins. If you don't have these fundamental micro abilities you will lose to someone who can macro as proficiently as you can, every time. What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)? If your opponents expect this build, you have already won. One possible build order has forced them into avoiding greedy play -- if they go for it, they could lose everything. If they have to play standard and safe, then you can afford to be greedy or play standard yourself and not go into a macro game at a disadvantage because you couldn't punish risky play. In addition to both of these things, knowing how to play like this prevents you from straight up losing ZvZs (that you honestly shouldn't) and gives you stronger worker micro skills that can be used to harass, deny expansions, and secure an advantage. The difference between mastering a 6 pool and mastering "macor play" is that with the 6 pool you are focusing on two specific skillsets: early game decision making and unit control. Unit control is pretty damn important in SC2. Early game decision making can cause you to win or lose major tournaments (think of all the games IdrA loses to bunker rushes). So, yes, 6 pool (7pool zvz) is a good strategy. Bad_Habit is also an exceptional player (as showcased in the VOD against White-Ra). | ||
turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On November 15 2011 08:38 Ripps wrote: I've read it more than once. I'm very manner. Instead of trying to psycoanalyze me over the internet, just answer these questions: Does this build help make you a better player? What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)? By answering these two questions, you should be able to figure out whether this strat is "good" or whether this guy is a "good" player. it makes you a better player by making you better at micro. the most famous player of all time, boxer, is known to be carried by his micro and smart brain (how many times has he cheesed idra now?) he has reached the top of the world of esports without relying on macro or whatever, he plays to win. if people expect it you can just not do it, then they have to worry about what if you fake the fake and just do it anyway. people lose to bunker rushes and reactor helions, hell even 4 gates all day every day, even pros and even when they know its coming. | ||
Ripps
Canada97 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:38 CapnAmerica wrote: To answer your questions... Does this build help make you a better player? Yes, this will 100% make you a better player. Unit micro allows you to turn resources into wins. If you don't have these fundamental micro abilities you will lose to someone who can macro as proficiently as you can, every time. What happens when people expect this build (like, say, in a tournament format)? If your opponents expect this build, you have already won. One possible build order has forced them into avoiding greedy play -- if they go for it, they could lose everything. If they have to play standard and safe, then you can afford to be greedy or play standard yourself and not go into a macro game at a disadvantage because you couldn't punish risky play. In addition to both of these things, knowing how to play like this prevents you from straight up losing ZvZs (that you honestly shouldn't) and gives you stronger worker micro skills that can be used to harass, deny expansions, and secure an advantage. The difference between mastering a 6 pool and mastering "macor play" is that with the 6 pool you are focusing on two specific skillsets: early game decision making and unit control. Unit control is pretty damn important in SC2. Early game decision making can cause you to win or lose major tournaments (think of all the games IdrA loses to bunker rushes). So, yes, 6 pool (7pool zvz) is a good strategy. Bad_Habit is also an exceptional player (as showcased in the VOD against White-Ra). Are you being honest? Don't all builds help improve unit micro? TWhy is this one better than those? If you can't play well outside a 6 pool, any legitimate player will win in a tournament match on macro and all those other things that this build doesn't develop. (i.e. Everything after the 4 minute mark) He's exceptional for the sole reason that he has devoted massive amounts of time to something that doesn't really make him a good player. | ||
Deleted User 123474
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He's exceptional for the sole reason that he has devoted massive amounts of time to something that doesn't really make him a good player. Are you serious? You're throwing out the "good player" moniker for someone that plays this game and wins frequently enough to be in the top 0.01% of North America in this game? What do you define a "good player" as, if not as someone who wins games frequently and consistently? By your definition as I understand it, my silver-league friend who never does timing pushes and sits in his base macroing up to 200/200 before moving out is "really" the best player in the world. | ||
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