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Hi, so I'm currently terran at gold level and I feel like I cannot beat zerg at all. My protoss and Terran matchups are 60 and 50% win respectively but my zerg is sitting at 27% up from 18% as I got a few lucky wins today.
The main problem for me I can't micro very well, which forces me into mech. I get to 3 bases and then I just feel like I have to sit there and hope the zerg suicides and that's my only chance to win (which doesn't happen in gold much).
I try and helion run-byall game to slow the zerg player down but he normally kills everything pretty easily as he has good vision and I have nothing. I never feel like I can move out because the mutas will just destroy my base if I leave so basically I just die a slow but inevitable death every single game. I've tried drops and bio and I die even quicker as every attack just seems to get stopped very easily.
I can't stop them from expanding and they just take the whole map every game.
I'm all out of idea's and pretty much want to quit the game from frustration as it just feels like a retarded unbalanced matchup for a non-pro to play
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United States744 Posts
What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes.
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On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes.
I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend.
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It would be very helpful if you could give us some replays to analyse.
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United States744 Posts
On November 26 2014 07:27 Boxxer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes. I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend.
have you looked at a professional game to nail down the timings? are you analyzing your replays to make sure that you aren't getting supply blocked or missing SCVs or production cycles? these all seem like common mistakes for a gold player that could easily make the difference in a win and a loss, and has nothing to do with your strategy necessarily.
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On November 26 2014 07:39 banjoetheredskin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 07:27 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes. I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend. have you looked at a professional game to nail down the timings? are you analyzing your replays to make sure that you aren't getting supply blocked or missing SCVs or production cycles? these all seem like common mistakes for a gold player that could easily make the difference in a win and a loss, and has nothing to do with your strategy necessarily.
I would say my macro is fine for my level, I don't have a hard time in tvt and tvp, but I cannot micro at the same time really, that's when I skip stuff a lot and I feel that's why I have such a hard time vs zerg. Playing tvz seems to require an immense amount of time microing just to stay alive in a fight as I feel like unless I win the fight considerably, I can't keep up in production.
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On November 26 2014 08:05 Boxxer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 07:39 banjoetheredskin wrote:On November 26 2014 07:27 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes. I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend. have you looked at a professional game to nail down the timings? are you analyzing your replays to make sure that you aren't getting supply blocked or missing SCVs or production cycles? these all seem like common mistakes for a gold player that could easily make the difference in a win and a loss, and has nothing to do with your strategy necessarily. I would say my macro is fine for my level, I don't have a hard time in tvt and tvp, but I cannot micro at the same time really, that's when I skip stuff a lot and I feel that's why I have such a hard time vs zerg. Playing tvz seems to require an immense amount of time microing just to stay alive in a fight as I feel like unless I win the fight considerably, I can't keep up in production.
use mines and only do simple micro. an example would be during a fight you pull back all your marines and let marauders/hellbats/thors tank first baneling hits. Only engage on creep if absolutely necessary. If it seems like you'll get surrounded or take an unfavorable engagement, don't panic and try to split your marines, instead load up into your medivacs, boost and gtfo.
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On November 26 2014 08:13 Xinzoe wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 08:05 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:39 banjoetheredskin wrote:On November 26 2014 07:27 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes. I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend. have you looked at a professional game to nail down the timings? are you analyzing your replays to make sure that you aren't getting supply blocked or missing SCVs or production cycles? these all seem like common mistakes for a gold player that could easily make the difference in a win and a loss, and has nothing to do with your strategy necessarily. I would say my macro is fine for my level, I don't have a hard time in tvt and tvp, but I cannot micro at the same time really, that's when I skip stuff a lot and I feel that's why I have such a hard time vs zerg. Playing tvz seems to require an immense amount of time microing just to stay alive in a fight as I feel like unless I win the fight considerably, I can't keep up in production. use mines and only do simple micro. an example would be during a fight you pull back all your marines and let marauders/hellbats/thors tank first baneling hits. Only engage on creep if absolutely necessary. If it seems like you'll get surrounded or take an unfavorable engagement, don't panic and try to split your marines, instead load up into your medivacs, boost and gtfo.
Yeah, mines are something I never use and I really should, I used to play in wings of liberty and left for a few years so I just never remember them. I do panic and lose everything also, I feel like I'm either never ready to engage when I move out or I feel like I'm going to move out and mutas just destroy my base.
I do think it boils down to I don't know how to handle muta pressure, especially when the muta ball gets large.
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No replay. no help. Please put one in. thanks
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On November 26 2014 09:00 tokinho wrote: No replay. no help. Please put one in. thanks
Seconded. Upload a win where you feel like you were really on top of your game and a couple losses where you are confused about what to work on. That should give people some idea about what you need help with ^_^
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This looks like something that could be easily solved in the hots terran help me thread.
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United States744 Posts
On November 26 2014 08:05 Boxxer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 07:39 banjoetheredskin wrote:On November 26 2014 07:27 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes. I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend. have you looked at a professional game to nail down the timings? are you analyzing your replays to make sure that you aren't getting supply blocked or missing SCVs or production cycles? these all seem like common mistakes for a gold player that could easily make the difference in a win and a loss, and has nothing to do with your strategy necessarily. I would say my macro is fine for my level, I don't have a hard time in tvt and tvp, but I cannot micro at the same time really, that's when I skip stuff a lot and I feel that's why I have such a hard time vs zerg. Playing tvz seems to require an immense amount of time microing just to stay alive in a fight as I feel like unless I win the fight considerably, I can't keep up in production. macro can always be improved. don't underestimate how much it can help to prioritize macro over micro at your level. never be complacent with any aspect of your play, there's always room for improvement. there is a lot of micro in tvz but the only way you can get better at macroing between micro battles is practicing it. if you want to get better, avoiding what's causing you the most trouble isn't the way to do it
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On November 26 2014 10:33 banjoetheredskin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 08:05 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:39 banjoetheredskin wrote:On November 26 2014 07:27 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes. I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend. have you looked at a professional game to nail down the timings? are you analyzing your replays to make sure that you aren't getting supply blocked or missing SCVs or production cycles? these all seem like common mistakes for a gold player that could easily make the difference in a win and a loss, and has nothing to do with your strategy necessarily. I would say my macro is fine for my level, I don't have a hard time in tvt and tvp, but I cannot micro at the same time really, that's when I skip stuff a lot and I feel that's why I have such a hard time vs zerg. Playing tvz seems to require an immense amount of time microing just to stay alive in a fight as I feel like unless I win the fight considerably, I can't keep up in production. macro can always be improved. don't underestimate how much it can help to prioritize macro over micro at your level. never be complacent with any aspect of your play, there's always room for improvement. there is a lot of micro in tvz but the only way you can get better at macroing between micro battles is practicing it. if you want to get better, avoiding what's causing you the most trouble isn't the way to do it agreed. in my opinion this is one of the biggest problems lower level players have with their thought process, and i know this because i absolutely had the same problem too in gold/plat. you tell yourself "well my macro is good for my level" because you're used to having better macro in the games you win and just rolling your opponent. then in the games you lose your frustration takes over and you falsely assume that there are a bunch of complicated reasons like micro or imbalance that you lost, you start feeling like "well i'm good at macro, it's just cheese/imba unit/imba race/etc. that makes me lose" and you write up a big post about a bunch of really inconsequential details of your play as part of the illusion
sure, maybe when you move up the ladder you can start thinking about identifying and responding to advanced game plans from your opponent, but as others have said the easiest way to advance from where you are is understanding your own macro. your own macro is what you control more than anything else in the game!
also be aware that you can overmicro your units. sure it feels like you're doing something fancy when you're constantly boxing and spreading and stutter stepping your units, but sometimes the correct move is literally just "move marines behind marauders," not "400 apm gosu splits when your opponent is up 50 supply"
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Mech isn't very microable unless you're doing blue flame hellbat/widow mine drops. I would consider switching builds to marine/mine into thor/medivac. If you see mass muta, build a tech lab on your factory and get thors asap. If you see roaches, especially early on, get 1 or 2 tanks to defend your bases.
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I'll get some replays for you to see today, thanks so far guys I appreciate the help.
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On November 26 2014 08:05 Boxxer wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2014 07:39 banjoetheredskin wrote:On November 26 2014 07:27 Boxxer wrote:On November 26 2014 07:15 banjoetheredskin wrote: What build are you following? I feel like at the gold level you can get away with just doing a build, then maybe once you get into the higher levels of play start worrying about nuances and more advanced thought processes. I start of doing a 1/1/1 then expo 3 factory, 3rd and another 2 factory 1 starport. I use reactor marines before I get thors to defend. have you looked at a professional game to nail down the timings? are you analyzing your replays to make sure that you aren't getting supply blocked or missing SCVs or production cycles? these all seem like common mistakes for a gold player that could easily make the difference in a win and a loss, and has nothing to do with your strategy necessarily. I would say my macro is fine for my level, I don't have a hard time in tvt and tvp, but I cannot micro at the same time really, that's when I skip stuff a lot and I feel that's why I have such a hard time vs zerg. Playing tvz seems to require an immense amount of time microing just to stay alive in a fight as I feel like unless I win the fight considerably, I can't keep up in production.
Waiting to see your replays, but at your level, macro is never fine and, unless you're using a totally wierd/bad strat, macro will be responsible of 80% of your defeats, the rest being bad scouting/bad micro/bad unit compo...
When loosing repeatedly, always try to fix your macro first.
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