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MassIncestor
743 Posts
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Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On July 08 2011 22:44 SxYSpAz wrote: shakuras, IMO does not favor toss.... at all. i hate that map more than any Well stats show it favors toss. Obviously it can depend on the individual involved though. Which again is why the map pick is so huge. Losira gets to pick his favorite map! | ||
snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
mostly map complaints, but people also saying that a tech switching zerg is unbeatable and such. | ||
s3183529
Australia707 Posts
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
On July 08 2011 22:42 Yaotzin wrote: Maps favor races in certain matchups, that's just how it is. It's almost impossible to make a map that's 50% for all 3. Crevasse is one that favors Zerg in ZvP. Just how it is *shrug*. Shakuras favors Toss. I don't know if I agree with Crevasse being a zerg favoured map. It certainly favours zerg if a toss/terran decides to go into macro mode. But a strong 2 base timing is very difficult to stop because of the abusable cliffs/chokes on the map (and the fact that terran/toss can easily go nexus/CC first). I guess in cross positions it is much more difficult. Ok, I concede. | ||
Samhax
1054 Posts
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babysimba
10466 Posts
Puzzle did pretty badly. He invested so heavily on 2 stargates, not to mention the need for cannons before his units were out. He needs to use those 2 stargates throughout the game to build a air deathball or something. If he wants to get some air units for map control and cut air production, 1 stargate shld have sufficed. | ||
Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
Stalkers are the core unit through midgame PvZ which transitions the strongest into the lategame. Any form of play without them is risky, especially on a big map, which is why we see things like Puzzle's mass stalker blink play. He chose to take a big gamble and it didn't pay off; pretty straightforward game when you break it down. It definitely doesn't say much about the map or matchup (or at least, about how it functions in 'standard' play). | ||
Akhee
Brazil811 Posts
On July 08 2011 22:47 babysimba wrote: To be fair, cross position on Crevasse is one of the best situation zerg can hope for in zvp. Long rush distance, easy to get 3rd as zerg, but yet toss cant turtle on 3 bases as well as like other macro maps like terminus, taldarim, meta which you can practically seal off 1 side completely with cannons and wall. Puzzle did pretty badly. He invested so heavily on 2 stargates, not to mention the need for cannons before his units were out. He needs to use those 2 stargates throughout the game to build a air deathball or something. If he wants to get some air units for map control and cut air production, 1 stargate shld have sufficed. butbutbut muta harass in taldarim is veeery annoying, you simply can't reach in time even with blink from third -> main, meta i agree but as zerg can tech to broodlords (it surely isnt so easy) the gold can't be taken, also, protoss can't take 4th so easily as zerg can and zerg 4-5bases against 3 base protoss is almost always very easy to beat | ||
pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 08 2011 22:47 Samhax wrote: In big maps, i think Sage style is the best. I hope more Protoss will use it. It depends a lot on whether you can hide pylons well to make your Zealots more mobile. Otherwise it may be difficult. Also it's easier for Zerg to secure a 3rd in Crevasse relative to Tal'darim Altar, so air harassment is a bit more difficult. And I'm not too sure if there's enough gas available to support the constant Phoenix, upgrades and then the switch to DT and HT. | ||
Yaotzin
South Africa4280 Posts
On July 08 2011 22:47 Samhax wrote: In big maps, i think Sage style is the best. I hope more Protoss will use it. Yeah I hope so. I can't see any but the top players pulling it off though, the multitasking required is intense. The turtle toss style is totally dead though, so not much choice really! It depends a lot on whether you can hide pylons well to make your Zealots more mobile. Otherwise it may be difficult. Also it's easier for Zerg to secure a 3rd in Crevasse relative to Tal'darim Altar, so air harassment is a bit more difficult. And I'm not too sure if there's enough gas available to support the constant Phoenix, upgrades and then the switch to DT and HT. Can just use warp prisms if they kill pylons. Air play shuts it down of course, but nothing ground based can stop it really. | ||
Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On July 08 2011 22:47 Samhax wrote: In big maps, i think Sage style is the best. I hope more Protoss will use it. What is the protoss sage style? I saw his all-kill but I don't get what your saying. | ||
shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
On July 08 2011 23:13 eYeball wrote: What is the protoss sage style? I saw his all-kill but I don't get what your saying. Bisu style PvZ Aggressive harassments on multiple places while dominating air and tech/expand at the same time. You need sick multitasking to truly make use of this style which Sage has. | ||
Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
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Poopi
France12470 Posts
On July 08 2011 23:47 Dreamer.T wrote: I honestly don't see any team besides startale or slayers who can beat IM. Don't count Hoseo out yet. Their protoss line-up is amazing, and if their terrans are as good as their protoss claim them to be in interview (and they are on top of the ladder as well) IM will have an hard time, it will be a "coach battle" since NesTea and LosirA have amazing vP but weaker vT, and Mvp & friends had a weak vP. edit : oh and YongHwa can snipe protoss. Yeah it'll definitively be interesting :D | ||
Saicam
262 Posts
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slickbilliam
United States73 Posts
On July 08 2011 23:47 Dreamer.T wrote: I honestly don't see any team besides startale or slayers who can beat IM. no faith in team dongraegu? | ||
nokz88
Brazil1253 Posts
IM would need to summon the professor Tea for that. | ||
Rayansaki
Portugal1266 Posts
losira and nestea brutalize zerg. No. Only a team with a lot of top terrans can stand a chance to beat IM if they play their best players. Nestea and Losira are brutal at zvp and zvz | ||
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