So a top 4 seed can win the entire tournament playing only 3 matches? That seems bad.
They've been proving themselves all year. That's MLG's format.
So beating THREE people in a tournament filled with over 200 means your the champ? Yeah makes sense. I at the very least thought this would be a normal 32 man double elim bracket. I forgot it was MLG we were dealing with...
So you're mad at MLG for rewarding the players that actually came to the events?
MLG is a season. There's 1 season a year. The results from all events go towards a national championship. You don't like it? Then you don't like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. You must think those systems are stupid. God forbid MLG have a regular season and a post-season.
We're all lucky MLG didn't go with their normal format that they've had for years in Halo in that there is no open bracket at Nationals and make it an actual playoffs.
On October 18 2011 01:57 Nonnar wrote: This event looks awesome so far. I am sure it will be a great success Where can I find the seeding points per player?
Points through Raleigh are posted in the SC2 forums on MLG. I will have the threads updated with Orlandos results either this week or the next.
If anyone else looked on liquipedia first and couldn't track this down, here is a link to the MLG forum post.
So a top 4 seed can win the entire tournament playing only 3 matches? That seems bad.
They've been proving themselves all year. That's MLG's format.
So beating THREE people in a tournament filled with over 200 means your the champ? Yeah makes sense. I at the very least thought this would be a normal 32 man double elim bracket. I forgot it was MLG we were dealing with...
So you're mad at MLG for rewarding the players that actually came to the events?
MLG is a season. There's 1 season a year. The results from all events go towards a national championship. You don't like it? Then you don't like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. You must think those systems are stupid. God forbid MLG have a regular season and a post-season.
We're all lucky MLG didn't go with their normal format that they've had for years in Halo in that there is no open bracket at Nationals and make it an actual playoffs.
Can you point to me where in the NFL, MLB, and NBA do teams get put directly into Semi's? NBA starts with a TWO(East and West) Eight team playoffs and highest seed plays lowest seed, but everyone starts the same round and has to play the same amount of teams to get to the Finals. That ain't happening here. Seed 16 will play a lot more games than Seed 1 at Providence. Do you really not see anything wrong with that? In the NFL the Top seed gets a 1 round bye and in the MLB it's the same as the NBA.
Something tells me you have no idea how other sports works to say that MLG's format is anywhere near the same when it comes to playoff seeding.
you also have systems with like NASCAR where points over a season of racing has a affect on the final standing and who is the champion of the given season... i guess NASCAR and car racing events are a better analogy/comparison to use that traditional sporting events (football, basketball, etc.)
On October 18 2011 04:36 quantumslip wrote: you also have systems with like NASCAR where points over a season of racing has a affect on the final standing and who is the champion of the given season... i guess NASCAR and car racing events are a better analogy/comparison to use that traditional sporting events (football, basketball, etc.)
I think your analogies are inappropriate because they are very similar to the analogies that are commonly used, and those tend to suck. q.e.d.
So a top 4 seed can win the entire tournament playing only 3 matches? That seems bad.
They've been proving themselves all year. That's MLG's format.
So beating THREE people in a tournament filled with over 200 means your the champ? Yeah makes sense. I at the very least thought this would be a normal 32 man double elim bracket. I forgot it was MLG we were dealing with...
So you're mad at MLG for rewarding the players that actually came to the events?
MLG is a season. There's 1 season a year. The results from all events go towards a national championship. You don't like it? Then you don't like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. You must think those systems are stupid. God forbid MLG have a regular season and a post-season.
We're all lucky MLG didn't go with their normal format that they've had for years in Halo in that there is no open bracket at Nationals and make it an actual playoffs.
Can you point to me where in the NFL, MLB, and NBA do teams get put directly into Semi's? NBA starts with a TWO(East and West) Eight team playoffs and highest seed plays lowest seed, but everyone starts the same round and has to play the same amount of teams to get to the Finals. That ain't happening here. Seed 16 will play a lot more games than Seed 1 at Providence. Do you really not see anything wrong with that? In the NFL the Top seed gets a 1 round bye and in the MLB it's the same as the NBA.
Something tells me you have no idea how other sports works to say that MLG's format is anywhere near the same when it comes to playoff seeding.
I never said it's the exact same. Don't try and put words in my mouth bud.
I'm pointing out that they all reward the regular season results. Which is what this does.
Considering the format is based on you coming to (nearly) every single event (which people like MMA fuck up by not coming more than twice) you cannot blame MLG as the GSL invites only happened after the league started. Should they change the format and screw over the players that actually put in the effort? Is that what you want?
So a top 4 seed can win the entire tournament playing only 3 matches? That seems bad.
They've been proving themselves all year. That's MLG's format.
So beating THREE people in a tournament filled with over 200 means your the champ? Yeah makes sense. I at the very least thought this would be a normal 32 man double elim bracket. I forgot it was MLG we were dealing with...
So you're mad at MLG for rewarding the players that actually came to the events?
MLG is a season. There's 1 season a year. The results from all events go towards a national championship. You don't like it? Then you don't like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. You must think those systems are stupid. God forbid MLG have a regular season and a post-season.
We're all lucky MLG didn't go with their normal format that they've had for years in Halo in that there is no open bracket at Nationals and make it an actual playoffs.
Can you point to me where in the NFL, MLB, and NBA do teams get put directly into Semi's? NBA starts with a TWO(East and West) Eight team playoffs and highest seed plays lowest seed, but everyone starts the same round and has to play the same amount of teams to get to the Finals. That ain't happening here. Seed 16 will play a lot more games than Seed 1 at Providence. Do you really not see anything wrong with that? In the NFL the Top seed gets a 1 round bye and in the MLB it's the same as the NBA.
Something tells me you have no idea how other sports works to say that MLG's format is anywhere near the same when it comes to playoff seeding.
Problem is that the ranking within top16 is not very indicative of skill as there are a lot of players with fewer attendances. This system will still reward the top8.
On October 18 2011 04:36 quantumslip wrote: you also have systems with like NASCAR where points over a season of racing has a affect on the final standing and who is the champion of the given season... i guess NASCAR and car racing events are a better analogy/comparison to use that traditional sporting events (football, basketball, etc.)
I think your analogies are inappropriate because they are very similar to the analogies that are commonly used, and those tend to suck. q.e.d.
what the heck? what you said doesn't make any sense. and if you look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chase_for_the_Sprint_Cup you'll see how it's somewhat more like (but not exactly like) MLG, where performance in previous races have an effect on the final standings, with the difference being that in MLG previous performance is only used for seeding while the NASCAR system the sum of the previous performances determines the champion
I don't see how this is inappropriate; are you a troll?
So a top 4 seed can win the entire tournament playing only 3 matches? That seems bad.
They've been proving themselves all year. That's MLG's format.
So beating THREE people in a tournament filled with over 200 means your the champ? Yeah makes sense. I at the very least thought this would be a normal 32 man double elim bracket. I forgot it was MLG we were dealing with...
Well if mlg did a 270 player open tournament with random seeding with 50k for first place at the end of the year then who in their right mind would bother flying internationally to play in a nonprovidence mlg?
So a top 4 seed can win the entire tournament playing only 3 matches? That seems bad.
They've been proving themselves all year. That's MLG's format.
So beating THREE people in a tournament filled with over 200 means your the champ? Yeah makes sense. I at the very least thought this would be a normal 32 man double elim bracket. I forgot it was MLG we were dealing with...
So you're mad at MLG for rewarding the players that actually came to the events?
MLG is a season. There's 1 season a year. The results from all events go towards a national championship. You don't like it? Then you don't like the NFL, MLB, NBA, etc. You must think those systems are stupid. God forbid MLG have a regular season and a post-season.
We're all lucky MLG didn't go with their normal format that they've had for years in Halo in that there is no open bracket at Nationals and make it an actual playoffs.
Can you point to me where in the NFL, MLB, and NBA do teams get put directly into Semi's? NBA starts with a TWO(East and West) Eight team playoffs and highest seed plays lowest seed, but everyone starts the same round and has to play the same amount of teams to get to the Finals. That ain't happening here. Seed 16 will play a lot more games than Seed 1 at Providence. Do you really not see anything wrong with that? In the NFL the Top seed gets a 1 round bye and in the MLB it's the same as the NBA.
Something tells me you have no idea how other sports works to say that MLG's format is anywhere near the same when it comes to playoff seeding.
I never said it's the exact same. Don't try and put words in my mouth bud.
I'm pointing out that they all reward the regular season results. Which is what this does.
Considering the format is based on you coming to (nearly) every single event (which people like MMA fuck up by not coming more than twice) you cannot blame MLG as the GSL invites only happened after the league started. Should they change the format and screw over the players that actually put in the effort? Is that what you want?
The NFL gives 4 teams bye's in the first round, meaning you have to win less games so if you win 3 games you've won the Super Bowl. Some teams have to win 4.
I don't understand why people feel they have the right to tell tournaments that are clear from the beginning about the format how it should be changed.
It was pretty clear what the value was to showing up consistently, and finishing well consistently. This is a business and it is a smart way to entice the best players to be there. All players knew this going in.
The format is fine and the top placed players have posted a collection of results of the year that I have no problem with them being where they are. I'll go the other direction and say it is the opposite of fair that they would have to play the same number of matches/challenging opponents as a player who showed up to one event. They spent time/money/energy to get to that point, and are thus rewarded for it. Few people have probably played the same number of pure MLG game hours as the top players have.
To add on, Baseball is also going to a format similar to the NFL either next year or the year after, where there will be multiple wild card teams that have to compete to play against the division winners.
Looking at http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Rankings, Tyler and Drewbie are tied at 31st place and still got seeded into pools (due to a lot of previous attendants, team Dignitas etc not attending). This is not meant to bash these 2 players, it's more about pointing out that just because someone is outside the top 16 doesn't mean they won't get in. I doubt all of the korean invites who have been given flights and everything paid for them through the exchange program will return. (Since there's been a lot of posts saying X passed Y, so Y is no longer getting a free seed)
Just facts: since getting Code S, MMA and DongRaeGu didn't return. If MC follows this trend, that's three people in the top 16 who might not attend. Boxer, Puma and Rain are a different story, they still want that code S seed. What about Bomber? Guess it'll depend on how he does in GSL November.
Personally I just hope a lot of heavy names return even if they're not seeded - gimme Sase, Hero, Thorzain, Socke, WhiteRa, Losira etc.
So a top 4 seed can win the entire tournament playing only 3 matches? That seems bad.
They've been proving themselves all year. That's MLG's format.
So beating THREE people in a tournament filled with over 200 means your the champ? Yeah makes sense. I at the very least thought this would be a normal 32 man double elim bracket. I forgot it was MLG we were dealing with...
Well if mlg did a 270 player open tournament with random seeding with 50k for first place at the end of the year then who in their right mind would bother flying internationally to play in a nonprovidence mlg?
on top of that, I'm surprised so many people are complaining. The original Blizzard cup was supposed to be KoTH style top 8 from the GSL rankings, meaning MVP would have to win 1 series to win the tournament. Everyone was fine with that. It's not like Idra starts in the winners bracket finals from being the number 1 seed. He attended many MLGs and performed well.
Hey Deimos, Providence Resident here. You may want to add that teams on a budget could fly into Boston Logan and take the $7 Commuter Rail to PVD Station, which puts them right downtown.
It is a bit more inconvenient (1-2 Hr Train Ride counting travel time from Logan to South Station in Boston) but may be exponentially cheaper than flying into TF Green.
There is also a City Bus (RIPTA) that goes from TF Green Airport to Downtown (Kennedy Plaza) and costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $1.