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On February 22 2012 22:05 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:02 s3rp wrote:On February 22 2012 21:59 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 21:54 s3rp wrote:On February 22 2012 21:46 Hassybaby wrote:On February 22 2012 21:42 s3rp wrote:On February 22 2012 21:41 Hassybaby wrote:On February 22 2012 21:40 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 21:37 [GoT]Zeta wrote:every LR thread is getting killed by those terran whiners.. its so sad Don't worry soon another patch will come that make them over powered again... or they start to use ravens and become OP without the patch. Lol, people using ravens...you silly Yeah won't happen because people like winning games ... Please tell us how a unit that can: stop numerous units from attacking through PDD making you you have no need to waste scans to get rid of creep tumours or burrowed banelings or infestors or chasing cloaked banshees and DTs as well as allowing a possible harassment option through autoturrets, and a decent late-game nuke though PDD is a detriment to winning a game. Play some Terran and try to implement Ravens into your normal builds . Then we can talk. There's so much stuff thats more important then maybe adding a Raven. I make it work easily if you have a starport you have a raven. There should be no exceptions it is universally helpful in every way. You don't see Zergs not getting infesters. Ravens are the exact same as they are the core of your army. There's stuff thats more core than Ravens . If you play Bio you need Medivacs , Tanks , maybe Thors and upgrades. Untill you have enough of those 3 things you don't have the Gas to add Ravens. Oh my bad. Totally forgot that the 1k that a lot of Terran players sit in when going bio is not having gas....
You don't have that overgas untill you finished your upgrades and have enough tanks / medivacs etc . Then you could add Ravens but thats ~20 into the game . At that point you have enough Orbitals and SCV's that you will have Energy for Scans to spend anyway and don't really need the Raven for detection. And PDD just doesn't work on units that are good against Bio.
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The main problem with the raven is the range of the seeker missile. Most times you have to sacrifice a raven to launch a missile, which makes it hard to use in a cost-efficient manner
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On February 22 2012 22:09 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:05 Hassybaby wrote:On February 22 2012 22:02 s3rp wrote:On February 22 2012 21:59 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 21:54 s3rp wrote:On February 22 2012 21:46 Hassybaby wrote:On February 22 2012 21:42 s3rp wrote:On February 22 2012 21:41 Hassybaby wrote:On February 22 2012 21:40 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 21:37 [GoT]Zeta wrote:every LR thread is getting killed by those terran whiners.. its so sad Don't worry soon another patch will come that make them over powered again... or they start to use ravens and become OP without the patch. Lol, people using ravens...you silly Yeah won't happen because people like winning games ... Please tell us how a unit that can: stop numerous units from attacking through PDD making you you have no need to waste scans to get rid of creep tumours or burrowed banelings or infestors or chasing cloaked banshees and DTs as well as allowing a possible harassment option through autoturrets, and a decent late-game nuke though PDD is a detriment to winning a game. Play some Terran and try to implement Ravens into your normal builds . Then we can talk. There's so much stuff thats more important then maybe adding a Raven. I make it work easily if you have a starport you have a raven. There should be no exceptions it is universally helpful in every way. You don't see Zergs not getting infesters. Ravens are the exact same as they are the core of your army. There's stuff thats more core than Ravens . If you play Bio you need Medivacs , Tanks , maybe Thors and upgrades. Untill you have enough of those 3 things you don't have the Gas to add Ravens. Oh my bad. Totally forgot that the 1k that a lot of Terran players sit in when going bio is not having gas.... You don't have that overgas untill you finished your upgrades and have enough tanks / medivacs etc . Then you could add Ravens but thats ~20 into the game . At that point you have enough Orbitals and SCV's that you will have Energy for Scans to spend anyway and don't really need the Raven for detection. And PDD just doesn't work on units that are good against Bio.
Yes but with a raven you can sacrifice those SCVS for a better army and only use mules?
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On February 22 2012 22:06 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:02 s3rp wrote:
There's stuff thats more core than Ravens . If you play Bio you need Medivacs , Tanks , maybe Thors and upgrades. Untill you have enough of those 3 things you don't have the Gas to add Ravens.
You go Bio so you lose the key minerals you need on scans through out the game taking away from your bio reinforcements later?
You dont lose those minerals.
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On February 22 2012 22:11 SolidMustard wrote: The main problem with the raven is the range of the seeker missile. Most times you have to sacrifice a raven to launch a missile, which makes it hard to use in a cost-efficient manner
It depends on what you use it against tbh. As a front line nuke, yes it makes your raven vulnerable, so you have to pick your spots. But as a harassment to worker lines, it pretty safe. Just turrets to worry about.
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On February 22 2012 22:15 mandingo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:06 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 22:02 s3rp wrote:
There's stuff thats more core than Ravens . If you play Bio you need Medivacs , Tanks , maybe Thors and upgrades. Untill you have enough of those 3 things you don't have the Gas to add Ravens.
You go Bio so you lose the key minerals you need on scans through out the game taking away from your bio reinforcements later? You dont lose those minerals.
You get them quicker, so not using them gives you a net loss at the time.
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Awesome liquibet, only wrong on Yugioh and Alicia but the important ones made it!
Go Zenio, SangHo and Nada!
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On February 22 2012 22:15 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:11 SolidMustard wrote: The main problem with the raven is the range of the seeker missile. Most times you have to sacrifice a raven to launch a missile, which makes it hard to use in a cost-efficient manner It depends on what you use it against tbh. As a front line nuke, yes it makes your raven vulnerable, so you have to pick your spots. But as a harassment to worker lines, it pretty safe. Just turrets to worry about.
I don't see this as a good idea against Zerg since 75% of the time the Zerg will have Mutas ....
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On February 22 2012 22:16 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:15 mandingo wrote:On February 22 2012 22:06 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 22:02 s3rp wrote:
There's stuff thats more core than Ravens . If you play Bio you need Medivacs , Tanks , maybe Thors and upgrades. Untill you have enough of those 3 things you don't have the Gas to add Ravens.
You go Bio so you lose the key minerals you need on scans through out the game taking away from your bio reinforcements later? You dont lose those minerals. You get them quicker, so not using them gives you a net loss at the time.
Then you have overmins for a short period of time , great.
On February 22 2012 22:12 Drazerk wrote: Yes but with a raven you can sacrifice those SCVS for a better army and only use mules?
Bad idea unless you already have a bank .
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On February 22 2012 22:15 mandingo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:06 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 22:02 s3rp wrote:
There's stuff thats more core than Ravens . If you play Bio you need Medivacs , Tanks , maybe Thors and upgrades. Untill you have enough of those 3 things you don't have the Gas to add Ravens.
You go Bio so you lose the key minerals you need on scans through out the game taking away from your bio reinforcements later? You dont lose those minerals.
Yes but you don't have them either and who knows what is going to happen 2-3 mins later. You might not even have the base any more in which case you lost the minerals.
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On February 22 2012 22:18 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:16 Hassybaby wrote:On February 22 2012 22:15 mandingo wrote:On February 22 2012 22:06 Drazerk wrote:On February 22 2012 22:02 s3rp wrote:
There's stuff thats more core than Ravens . If you play Bio you need Medivacs , Tanks , maybe Thors and upgrades. Untill you have enough of those 3 things you don't have the Gas to add Ravens.
You go Bio so you lose the key minerals you need on scans through out the game taking away from your bio reinforcements later? You dont lose those minerals. You get them quicker, so not using them gives you a net loss at the time. Then you have overmins for a short period of time , great.
Learn to manage your economy better factoring in the mineral influx from the mules?
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On February 22 2012 21:35 dainbramage wrote: Can someone explain to me how this thread is full of terran tears when every terran won their non-mirror sets today?
Well thats just all the zergs and tosses that switched to terran. So its not terran thats whining, just more zerg and toss tears in disguise.
glad to see nada getting a win on dualsight, but that was really easy, skipped the first zealot and the second sentry if you do that against a two racks you really want to be beaten up badly in the early game especially if you build something close to the ramp.
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Terran won every non mirror match, those KR terrans are hard!
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So I guess the zealot is back to being sad again
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Meh, people were theorycrafting why ghosts were bad in TvZ before, and they turned out to be good. I';d like to see more ravens before ppl dismiss them. If anything, 1 to stop burrow banes and creep spread would be good. I always die inside when I see a Terran use like 6 scans to get a cross the map when he could have easily made a raven and dropped 6 mules
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On February 22 2012 22:25 Xcobidoo wrote:So I guess the zealot is back to being sad again depends on ro4 code s
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On February 22 2012 22:16 Dakkas wrote: Awesome liquibet, only wrong on Yugioh and Alicia but the important ones made it!
Go Zenio, SangHo and Nada!
Old school generation Code S still got what it takes!
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about the started raven discussion, sacrifice a bit eco to get gas earlier and get out the raven its a nice banshee fake and helps in most cases. It saves you a few scans in each matchup, the important thing is don't use it in your main army group, extra group on autofollow on a unit. So you don't look like a progamer, setting down the pdd and flying into the opponent.
You can either pdd for defense or use turrets for harassment depending on your opponent. a base is pretty much save against mutas if you have a pdd there with durably materials (though i get medivac energy while getting the raven, if you still think medivac energy is waste then you don't check energy bars in every high aggression game involving bio).
Atleast if you plan on a macro game the raven is always worth it if you let it survive (if you are a noob send it home after using the energy). Also a perfect unit for a timing push. As it can either pdd or set down two 180 hp turrets as tanks.
about the seeker missile. Be really careful with it ... when i started using it i blew up my whole army with it, thought it would be a good idea to throw it onto banelings. But its a bad idea if you throw a seeker from a raven above your army and the army kills the targeted baneling 0.2 seconds after the seeker is out.
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On February 22 2012 22:27 L3g3nd_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:25 Xcobidoo wrote:So I guess the zealot is back to being sad again depends on ro4 code s No matter how that goes Genius won't win /
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