On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late.
actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet
tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt
MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT 61% TvZ (in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72%) 83% TvP overall 71%
chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved.
His vP was never really that bad (beat MC in the world tourney when he was crushing terrans), it was his vT that was infamous for being medicore. The vP thing is more in part do to metagame shifts as a whole, as well as him going through a slumpish phase
While that's true I think you can see in his play that MKP has hit another level.
This is true, but I think its a general increase, not just in 1-2 MUs. His vZ had a slump as well where he got slammed by some random zergs in a code s group (this is like spring of last year i think?)
I agree, MKP is on an insane level right now. Will be curious to see if he can translate this into GSL success, where there is so much time to prepare for matchs (seeing as he is a ladder beast, and thus tournaments like MLG favour his experience over say, someone from SlayerS where they do team preping of builds and such for BoX series in advance)
Code S is just so incredibly hard to win. MMA was one of the best players in the world for six months before he won one. DRG was for even longer than that.
MC has been the best Protoss in the world for virtually the entire duration of Sc2 but hasn't even reached a Code S semi final in a year.
There's no Flash in Sc2 and there's just so many players who can beat anyone on their day that winning Code S has a lot of right place at the right time to it.
I feel like anyone out of Mvp, MKP, MMA, Jjakji, Polt, Alive, MC, Parting, Oz, Genius, Leenock, DRG and Nestea are capable of winning this next Code S with a decent draw and enough good days at the right time.
MKP could win, but he could also drop out in the first group stage but that won't mean he isn't one of the worlds best players just that there's a lot of players all about as good as each other.
If MKP only played a bit better in Season 1, and took out Genius - his draw would have been: MC - MKP can take him EZ aLive - beat him in RO32, MKP can take him again DRG - MKP has beaten DRG in two major finals now, he could've won Code S
just goes to show how much having a good day counts.
On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late.
actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet
tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt
MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT 61% TvZ (in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72%) 83% TvP overall 71%
chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved.
His vP was never really that bad (beat MC in the world tourney when he was crushing terrans), it was his vT that was infamous for being medicore. The vP thing is more in part do to metagame shifts as a whole, as well as him going through a slumpish phase
While that's true I think you can see in his play that MKP has hit another level.
This is true, but I think its a general increase, not just in 1-2 MUs. His vZ had a slump as well where he got slammed by some random zergs in a code s group (this is like spring of last year i think?)
I agree, MKP is on an insane level right now. Will be curious to see if he can translate this into GSL success, where there is so much time to prepare for matchs (seeing as he is a ladder beast, and thus tournaments like MLG favour his experience over say, someone from SlayerS where they do team preping of builds and such for BoX series in advance)
Code S is just so incredibly hard to win. MMA was one of the best players in the world for six months before he won one. DRG was for even longer than that.
MC has been the best Protoss in the world for virtually the entire duration of Sc2 but hasn't even reached a Code S semi final in a year.
There's no Flash in Sc2 and there's just so many players who can beat anyone on their day that winning Code S has a lot of right place at the right time to it.
I feel like anyone out of Mvp, MKP, MMA, Jjakji, Polt, Alive, MC, Parting, Oz, Genius, Leenock, DRG and Nestea are capable of winning this next Code S with a decent draw and enough good days at the right time.
MKP could win, but he could also drop out in the first group stage but that won't mean he isn't one of the worlds best players just that there's a lot of players all about as good as each other.
On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late.
actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet
tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt
MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT 61% TvZ (in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72%) 83% TvP overall 71%
chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved.
His vP was never really that bad (beat MC in the world tourney when he was crushing terrans), it was his vT that was infamous for being medicore. The vP thing is more in part do to metagame shifts as a whole, as well as him going through a slumpish phase
While that's true I think you can see in his play that MKP has hit another level.
This is true, but I think its a general increase, not just in 1-2 MUs. His vZ had a slump as well where he got slammed by some random zergs in a code s group (this is like spring of last year i think?)
I agree, MKP is on an insane level right now. Will be curious to see if he can translate this into GSL success, where there is so much time to prepare for matchs (seeing as he is a ladder beast, and thus tournaments like MLG favour his experience over say, someone from SlayerS where they do team preping of builds and such for BoX series in advance)
Code S is just so incredibly hard to win. MMA was one of the best players in the world for six months before he won one. DRG was for even longer than that.
MC has been the best Protoss in the world for virtually the entire duration of Sc2 but hasn't even reached a Code S semi final in a year.
There's no Flash in Sc2 and there's just so many players who can beat anyone on their day that winning Code S has a lot of right place at the right time to it.
I feel like anyone out of Mvp, MKP, MMA, Jjakji, Polt, Alive, MC, Parting, Oz, Genius, Leenock, DRG and Nestea are capable of winning this next Code S with a decent draw and enough good days at the right time.
MKP could win, but he could also drop out in the first group stage but that won't mean he isn't one of the worlds best players just that there's a lot of players all about as good as each other.
whos the best palyer in the world is jsut a fad people stick to whoever does slightly better then someone else and jump as soon as someone else posts good results
its way too early in SC2 to know whos the best, until the complete standard has been nailed down and theres no X facter (like what MKP did to DRG by throwing out wierd timings that and strats that noones seen but are really really solid) then well be able to say whos the best
This was such a great tournament. Most of the pros in high spirits and willing to shake hands, sign stuff, and take pictures with fans. Great production by MLG. Awesome job of hosting by Clutch, awesome observing by Adebesi. Such a great weekend.. will remember this one for a long time.
Off topic: ChaosTerran is right. I was 44 and had to wait 2 hours to get a match because everyone would bridge host cause they didnt want to get modded after 40ish. And 40+ would be the same as being GM in SC2.
On topic. Grats to MKP and DRG. Too bad my zerg favorite Stephano didnt get as far as I would like...
On March 26 2012 10:48 Femari wrote: now if only the sc2 crowd was as passionate as chaos is right now
i was watching both sc2 and halo, i heard the sc2 crowd a lot on the halo stream. they were quite loud. and there was a massive amount of them when the camera roamed around
See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total.
the cheating wasnt prominent in the entire lifespan of the playlist.. just for like the last whatever before they removed the leaderboards or whatever they did. i honestly didnt think id ever be discsussing halo 2 on a TL but.. whatever.
No, cheating was always prominent in Halo2. You can stop lying now. Ask anyone on any haloforum, nobody had a legit 45, they were at the very least bridging host. So there is no way you were a legit 44 and dont even remember your gamertag, only very skilled and dedicated players would even come close to this level.
i dont even know how to respond to idiots like this. i mean yes people cheated but there were less cheaters than your apocalyptic description. and i had multiple 35+ accounts back in the day. and to be honest this discussion has drifted ffffaaaaaarrrrrrrr off topic from what we were talking about before
No, absolutely everyone was cheating at the top level. Stop lying now because you obviously have never played Halo2. Or else just name one of your various high level accounts so I can look it up for myself. Liars are so annoying. Dude, I played at the high end of matchmaking ok and I was only mid-tier compared to pros and I can guarantee you that it was almost impossible to find a legit game at that level.
On March 26 2012 10:24 honed wrote: i was like ~44 at highest maybe? idk if you would actually consider that mid tier. but i think thats good enough to have a decent grasp of game mechanics
See, now you are lying. 44 in Halo2 was insanely high, I was 43 an that was at the very top of non-cheater levels, anything beyond 45 was 90% cheaters. If you were a 44 in Halo2 you would definitely be extremely proud of it because that is about as high as you could get without cheating every game. And someone with a 44 was extremely dedicated to the game, so you would definitely still know your gamertag. I can't think of any opponent I have ever met at 40+ that didn't at least have 5k games played in total.
Are you serious? I was 44 in H2 and never considered myself a top player, you sound really full of yourself when you make that claim that 90% of the people with a higher rank then you was a cheater. As someone who came from a mainly shooter background to strategy games like starcraft and dota 2, I can reinforce that Halo at top skill level takes nowhere near the skill that a high skillcap RTS takes even at a moderately high (diamond+) skill level.
Then link your account? I played at tops level in H2 matchmaking and know for a fact that it was full of cheaters. go to haloforum.eu and ask anyone there, they will tell you exactly the same.
Well I haven't played H2 in a very long time but my gamertag at the time was PowerOverwhelming which doesn't even show up on the search so I assume a wipe was preformed since I last played it. Regardless I think you are full of shit, kids always call cheating when people beat them, Its at the point where if anyone with moderate shooter skill plays a game of MW or Battlefeild (the only shooters i have played in the last few years so I use them for example) Half the people in the game call hacks and you can get banned solely for being better then them so I would hardly call the opinion of a forum full of 12 year old shooter kids definitive proof of cheating.
I can bring in Pros to completely tear apart your thoughts. Still got Lunchbox on my Friends List.
Please do it. This guy has no idea what he's talking about. 40+ was full of cheaters. period.
My bro was constantly between 40-44 in TS, and he'd tell you the same. He'd get to 44, and then get blue screened and have people bridging host etc, and knock him back down to 39-40 (No idea his hardcore, but considering how into MLG he was, I'd say it was probably high. )
I know, almost everyone past 40 was a cheater or at least 50% and past 45 it was almost exclusively cheaters. Malice is just lying for whatever reason.
So i've read this entire conversation, and i think you have failed to notice a very key point. NO ONE FUCKING DISAGREED WITH YOU. ever. So please stop, this is a thread about Day 3 of MLG Columbus 2012 for Starcraft 2. BTW, it sounds like Socke had some badass games.
On March 26 2012 11:10 hpTheGreat wrote: Off topic: ChaosTerran is right. I was 44 and had to wait 2 hours to get a match because everyone would bridge host cause they didnt want to get modded after 40ish. And 40+ would be the same as being GM in SC2.
On topic. Grats to MKP and DRG. Too bad my zerg favorite Stephano didnt get as far as I would like...
Thank you very much good sir. And with that I'm out. It's common knowledge anyway. Keep trolling guys, everyone who actually really was a 40+ knows that what I said is 100% correct.
On March 26 2012 10:28 usethis2 wrote: MKP's TvZ is absolutely terrifying. His micro enables him to utilize uncommon unit combinations (or stupid unit combination on some other hands) successfully. And it seems like his attack always hits half a minute earlier than other Terrans when it comes to TvZ. Why bother with drops when you can crush your opponent head-on?
DRG needs to vary his strats if he were to beat MKP. I know Z doesn't have many tools but he is way too predictable. In a Bo9, he could have attempted a 6-pool which might have caught greedy strats like the CC-first. In every game, MKP wasn't threatened or felt danger at all. Even when he wasn't rushing, he simply did what he wanted to do with absolute freedom. That early game advantage paid off hugely for him, let alone his imppecable unit control.
If only such tactics worked for his TvT (and to some extent TvP), MKP would be untouchable. But for now, and it has been for long time IMO, MKP is the king of TvZ.
Edit: Oh, and I do think DRG has lost some touch on ZvT as he's been focusing way too much on (his previously weak) ZvP of late.
actually they work even better versus protoss, thats why i consider him even better at tvp he pretty much stomped MC, Sase and Parting - and those guys (esp. Parting) have arguably the strongest pvt on the planet
tvt is definitely his weakness right now, but i think thats more because of the volatile nature of tvt
MarineKing, so far this year: 74% TvT 61% TvZ (in part due to 13 losses against DRG - without those 13 losses, he'd be 72%) 83% TvP overall 71%
chew on those numbers a bit and just see how much his vP and vT have improved.
His vP was never really that bad (beat MC in the world tourney when he was crushing terrans), it was his vT that was infamous for being medicore. The vP thing is more in part do to metagame shifts as a whole, as well as him going through a slumpish phase
While that's true I think you can see in his play that MKP has hit another level.
This is true, but I think its a general increase, not just in 1-2 MUs. His vZ had a slump as well where he got slammed by some random zergs in a code s group (this is like spring of last year i think?)
I agree, MKP is on an insane level right now. Will be curious to see if he can translate this into GSL success, where there is so much time to prepare for matchs (seeing as he is a ladder beast, and thus tournaments like MLG favour his experience over say, someone from SlayerS where they do team preping of builds and such for BoX series in advance)
Code S is just so incredibly hard to win. MMA was one of the best players in the world for six months before he won one. DRG was for even longer than that.
MC has been the best Protoss in the world for virtually the entire duration of Sc2 but hasn't even reached a Code S semi final in a year.
There's no Flash in Sc2 and there's just so many players who can beat anyone on their day that winning Code S has a lot of right place at the right time to it.
I feel like anyone out of Mvp, MKP, MMA, Jjakji, Polt, Alive, MC, Parting, Oz, Genius, Leenock, DRG and Nestea are capable of winning this next Code S with a decent draw and enough good days at the right time.
MKP could win, but he could also drop out in the first group stage but that won't mean he isn't one of the worlds best players just that there's a lot of players all about as good as each other.
Yup. I agree he is amazing right now, all i'm saying is that it wasn't that he just "OMG HIS vP IS AMAZING" i was just trying to point out he was always pretty good in his non-mirrors, just when he hit off days/slumps they appeared bad as well. Now that he is performing so well and can actually TvT, much better chance to win a GSL.
However it is true that it is so insanely hard to win code S, with all the mindgames/ new talent (or old talent leveling up). This season is the perfect example: semi's: Genius, DRG, Alive, Gumiho. for 3/4, that really was the first big showing in code S, while DRG is the more conistant of them.
Ok... and where's the 44? This is like a level 10 or something. Just let it go man.
yeah, fuck i cant find any good accounts. youre right, actually, i wasnt trying to prove my 44, i was more trying to prove id played enough to judge the game. i honestly cant remember the weapon spawns in that game anymore... so i dont even understand the point in trying to prove this anymore
On March 26 2012 09:32 Ruscour wrote: SC2 has absolutely no passion...the crowd doesn't go wild for anything, they're so unbelievably quiet. This whole tournament didn't have much hype, watching the final round of the Halo finals was by far the most enjoyable part of the weekend for me.
MLG is missing something big with SC2 now. It's not SC2's problem, because GSL has it. GSL does it great. I don't know what it is, but foreign tournaments just aren't coming close to capturing the magic like they should, in my opinion.
Guh this again? So you didn't watch Columbus last year? Or Anaheim? Or Blizzcon?
People at the event have been saying how awesome it was for the last three days just because you didn't hear it on stream doesn't mean jack.
I cannot stress this point enough, I'm even gonna bold it.
How awesome the crowd is at the live event is largely irrelevant if it doesn't carry over to the stream.
How many people are in attendance? Compare that to the number of people watching online. MLG's target audience is primarily those watching online. If the crowd is going to barely be heard, what's the difference between this and the Winter Arena from a spectator point of view? If the crowd, and the hype at the live event are really that great, then it falls to MLG to do a better job in portraying that for those at home.
It makes a real difference. The Halo crowd's cheering and chanting was amazing. Starcraft fans are typically more "reserved", but on stream it just looks like they're all bored and passionless.
Whether it carried over on stream to you or not is what is irrelevant. If you've ever been to a large sporting event you should know it is IMPOSSIBLE to recreate that on TV or on a stream. That electricity will never translate because we aren't there. Calling SC2 fans passionless is asinine when you see the number of people that went to Columbus and have continued to attend foreign events and the Korean players rave about the atmosphere every single time.
That's not true at all.
You can't recreate the exact atmosphere, but you can show crowd reactions, show how hyped up everyone is, how much fun people are having, the devastation when their player is losing, etc. MLG doesn't do any of this stuff. You can barely even hear the crowd and when they do show them, there's very little energy there. Obviously you can't recreate the live atmosphere, but you can show that the live atmosphere exists, at least.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I have nothing against MLG or any other foreign tournaments that I kinda called out before. I'm not trying to shit on them, I'm trying to gain awareness about this so that they can improve, because it's a really big dealbreaker for me. I don't care for commentary, I don't really care too much who wins (from a fan perspective), the live crowd and that excitement is what makes me watch live rather than just watch the replays later.
the magic was missing because the casters tastosis are not really able to pull that off. if i didn't know by myself this was the most important game of the weekend, i wouldn't have noticed at all by the way they were casting. pointing out that this is the final does not count. it could have been a group match easily by the emotions and way of casting, and that would not even be great.
and it's with all the finals. blizzcon: crowd was amazing and pumped, casting was still mediocre blizzard cup: awesome final with crazy games but tastosis couldn't keep up with it mlg finals casted by tastosis: never great
look at other mlg games/finals, mma vs losira for example. the emotions were great. i'm not even a big day9 fan, but he can pull it off.
and this video has been posted before, but this is how casting a sc2 final could sound like (tobi wan):
On March 26 2012 10:48 Femari wrote: now if only the sc2 crowd was as passionate as chaos is right now
i was watching both sc2 and halo, i heard the sc2 crowd a lot on the halo stream. they were quite loud. and there was a massive amount of them when the camera roamed around
On March 26 2012 09:32 Ruscour wrote: SC2 has absolutely no passion...the crowd doesn't go wild for anything, they're so unbelievably quiet. This whole tournament didn't have much hype, watching the final round of the Halo finals was by far the most enjoyable part of the weekend for me.
MLG is missing something big with SC2 now. It's not SC2's problem, because GSL has it. GSL does it great. I don't know what it is, but foreign tournaments just aren't coming close to capturing the magic like they should, in my opinion.
Guh this again? So you didn't watch Columbus last year? Or Anaheim? Or Blizzcon?
People at the event have been saying how awesome it was for the last three days just because you didn't hear it on stream doesn't mean jack.
I cannot stress this point enough, I'm even gonna bold it.
How awesome the crowd is at the live event is largely irrelevant if it doesn't carry over to the stream.
How many people are in attendance? Compare that to the number of people watching online. MLG's target audience is primarily those watching online. If the crowd is going to barely be heard, what's the difference between this and the Winter Arena from a spectator point of view? If the crowd, and the hype at the live event are really that great, then it falls to MLG to do a better job in portraying that for those at home.
It makes a real difference. The Halo crowd's cheering and chanting was amazing. Starcraft fans are typically more "reserved", but on stream it just looks like they're all bored and passionless.
Whether it carried over on stream to you or not is what is irrelevant. If you've ever been to a large sporting event you should know it is IMPOSSIBLE to recreate that on TV or on a stream. That electricity will never translate because we aren't there. Calling SC2 fans passionless is asinine when you see the number of people that went to Columbus and have continued to attend foreign events and the Korean players rave about the atmosphere every single time.
That's not true at all.
You can't recreate the exact atmosphere, but you can show crowd reactions, show how hyped up everyone is, how much fun people are having, the devastation when their player is losing, etc. MLG doesn't do any of this stuff. You can barely even hear the crowd and when they do show them, there's very little energy there. Obviously you can't recreate the live atmosphere, but you can show that the live atmosphere exists, at least.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I have nothing against MLG or any other foreign tournaments that I kinda called out before. I'm not trying to shit on them, I'm trying to gain awareness about this so that they can improve, because it's a really big dealbreaker for me. I don't care for commentary, I don't really care too much who wins (from a fan perspective), the live crowd and that excitement is what makes me watch live rather than just watch the replays later.
the magic was missing because the casters tastosis are not really able to pull that off. if i didn't know by myself this was the most important game of the weekend, i wouldn't have noticed at all by the way they were casting. pointing out that this is the final does not count. it could have been a group match easily by the emotions and way of casting, and that would not even be great.
and it's with all the finals. blizzcon: crowd was amazing and pumped, casting was still mediocre blizzard cup: awesome final with crazy games but tastosis couldn't keep up with it mlg finals casted by tastosis: never great
look at other mlg games/finals, mma vs losira for example. the emotions were great. i'm not even a big day9 fan, but he can pull it off.
Tastosis is my favourite casting team for everything except major finals. They are really funny, entertaining and informative but they just don't portray excitement that well. This is absolutely fine 95% of the time but in major finals I prefer Day9 (who generally I don't like that much as a caster) because he enhances the excitement of someone winning a major tournament.
On March 26 2012 09:32 Ruscour wrote: SC2 has absolutely no passion...the crowd doesn't go wild for anything, they're so unbelievably quiet. This whole tournament didn't have much hype, watching the final round of the Halo finals was by far the most enjoyable part of the weekend for me.
MLG is missing something big with SC2 now. It's not SC2's problem, because GSL has it. GSL does it great. I don't know what it is, but foreign tournaments just aren't coming close to capturing the magic like they should, in my opinion.
Guh this again? So you didn't watch Columbus last year? Or Anaheim? Or Blizzcon?
People at the event have been saying how awesome it was for the last three days just because you didn't hear it on stream doesn't mean jack.
I cannot stress this point enough, I'm even gonna bold it.
How awesome the crowd is at the live event is largely irrelevant if it doesn't carry over to the stream.
How many people are in attendance? Compare that to the number of people watching online. MLG's target audience is primarily those watching online. If the crowd is going to barely be heard, what's the difference between this and the Winter Arena from a spectator point of view? If the crowd, and the hype at the live event are really that great, then it falls to MLG to do a better job in portraying that for those at home.
It makes a real difference. The Halo crowd's cheering and chanting was amazing. Starcraft fans are typically more "reserved", but on stream it just looks like they're all bored and passionless.
Whether it carried over on stream to you or not is what is irrelevant. If you've ever been to a large sporting event you should know it is IMPOSSIBLE to recreate that on TV or on a stream. That electricity will never translate because we aren't there. Calling SC2 fans passionless is asinine when you see the number of people that went to Columbus and have continued to attend foreign events and the Korean players rave about the atmosphere every single time.
That's not true at all.
You can't recreate the exact atmosphere, but you can show crowd reactions, show how hyped up everyone is, how much fun people are having, the devastation when their player is losing, etc. MLG doesn't do any of this stuff. You can barely even hear the crowd and when they do show them, there's very little energy there. Obviously you can't recreate the live atmosphere, but you can show that the live atmosphere exists, at least.
EDIT: Just to clarify, I have nothing against MLG or any other foreign tournaments that I kinda called out before. I'm not trying to shit on them, I'm trying to gain awareness about this so that they can improve, because it's a really big dealbreaker for me. I don't care for commentary, I don't really care too much who wins (from a fan perspective), the live crowd and that excitement is what makes me watch live rather than just watch the replays later.
the magic was missing because the casters tastosis are not really able to pull that off. if i didn't know by myself this was the most important game of the weekend, i wouldn't have noticed at all by the way they were casting. pointing out that this is the final does not count. it could have been a group match easily by the emotions and way of casting, and that would not even be great.
and it's with all the finals. blizzcon: crowd was amazing and pumped, casting was still mediocre blizzard cup: awesome final with crazy games but tastosis couldn't keep up with it mlg finals casted by tastosis: never great
look at other mlg games/finals, mma vs losira for example. the emotions were great. i'm not even a big day9 fan, but he can pull it off.