On July 08 2012 09:52 Sumahi wrote: Damn, two dreams came true last night. No terrans advanced and MVP in particular didn't advance!
you must be loving most tournaments since most terrans arent advancing. I have to automatically hate you though because you hate MVP who is like cindarella man of sc2
Why some people don't understand if terran players won't watch anymore if there are no terrans? I rarely watch any sports if my favorite team isnt playing, why cant same thing apply to sc2? Ofc im gonna watch finals, but there is no reason for me to watch bunch of all-ins or bunch of afk 15min and clash with 200/200 armies when also not being interested at all watching those two races battle each other. Kinda hoping for Hasuobs MC PvP and PvP finals so we can see atleast some sick siick micro battles and mindgames.
MVP was never the favourite of this tourny anyway. He's just not good anymore. Bringing up his GSL win last season is hardly justifiable since he cheesed his way to the finals and cheesed most of his games in the finals. His tvz is bad now, and his tvt seems to be shaky, and his tvp only works in prep tournies where he can mindgame or cheese his opponents.
Sorry if it has been linked already but I was wondering if anyone knew if there was any recordings of when the guys were doing Karaoke after the day ended? I really want to show a friend,.
I don't get PvZ...I watched the Idra Hasuobs games...Idra was maxed when Hasu was at 130/200~ yet the Protoss somehow manages to defend a 70 supply deficit and then ends up rolling over Idra twice with a deathball. Does that happen in TvZ too? How does Protoss defend with half the army ?_?
On July 08 2012 15:45 Scila wrote: I don't get PvZ...I watched the Idra Hasuobs games...Idra was maxed when Hasu was at 130/200~ yet the Protoss somehow manages to defend a 70 supply deficit and then ends up rolling over Idra twice with a deathball. Does that happen in TvZ too? How does Protoss defend with half the army ?_?
On July 08 2012 14:25 power-overwhelming wrote: MVP was never the favourite of this tourny anyway. He's just not good anymore. Bringing up his GSL win last season is hardly justifiable since he cheesed his way to the finals and cheesed most of his games in the finals. His tvz is bad now, and his tvt seems to be shaky, and his tvp only works in prep tournies where he can mindgame or cheese his opponents.
I'm sorry, but your post is EXTREMELY ignorant.
"He's just not good anymore."
I should of stop reading there, but I kept reading...
Bringing up his GSL win last season is hardly justifiable since he cheesed his way to the finals and cheesed most of his games in the finals.
LOL so because he cheesed he's now bad at SC2 and has no "honor"? MVP did what he had to do get that paycheck, gsl championship, and etc. I'm sorry he didn't play 200/200 macro games every single time.
His tvz is bad now, and his tvt seems to be shaky, and his tvp only works in prep tournies where he can mindgame or cheese his opponents.
Are you basing this off only HSC? ____________________
Honestly I feel like MVP should just switch to Zerg/Protoss and shut up all the haters.
On July 08 2012 14:25 power-overwhelming wrote: MVP was never the favourite of this tourny anyway. He's just not good anymore. Bringing up his GSL win last season is hardly justifiable since he cheesed his way to the finals and cheesed most of his games in the finals. His tvz is bad now, and his tvt seems to be shaky, and his tvp only works in prep tournies where he can mindgame or cheese his opponents.
You are so wrong. Mvp played plenty of macro games in S2 and he played more macro games than cheeze in the finals. He actually only won from cheese once, in the final map, the others were Squirtle dying to relatively standard pressure builds and some great all-in timings.
On July 08 2012 15:45 Scila wrote: I don't get PvZ...I watched the Idra Hasuobs games...Idra was maxed when Hasu was at 130/200~ yet the Protoss somehow manages to defend a 70 supply deficit and then ends up rolling over Idra twice with a deathball. Does that happen in TvZ too? How does Protoss defend with half the army ?_?
1) Because Idra's army was comprised of a lot of roaches, which are cheap supply. 2) Idra is notoriously bad at positioning during engagements. His games against Hasu were no exception.
I feel like MVP should just switch to zerg. Zergs strong late game suits his macro to late game playstyle much more. He would then show all his haters how good of a player he is.
On July 08 2012 06:56 Master_Blaster wrote: From twitter:
Neal - SC2Ratings @SC2Ratings Some HSC5 stats for you guys: Terran have won 36.7% of their games Protoss have won 47.2% of their games Zerg have won 61.9% of their games
Zerg is doing really well. I wonder why, it's really surprising. ^^
Better zergs at the tournament?
well, thats true. but the reason why all the zergs are "better" is questionable atm^^ seems like every good zerg is suddenly a top dog :/
It's clearly a coincidence.
Terrans just need to innovate. Build mass ravens and ghosts on 2 base or something.
Ghosts now do more damage to queens with snipe, obviously a mass ghost timing off 2 base would destroy these mass queens builds! Just takes a little innovation, terrans just don't even try.
Just rush to Ravens imo. 1 base ravens. Get both gases at your nat too.
Oh wait, not everyone is trolling?
There are best alternative to patch options for Terrans. Massing ravens and ghosts off two bases is not one of them.
On July 08 2012 14:25 power-overwhelming wrote: MVP was never the favourite of this tourny anyway. He's just not good anymore. Bringing up his GSL win last season is hardly justifiable since he cheesed his way to the finals and cheesed most of his games in the finals. His tvz is bad now, and his tvt seems to be shaky, and his tvp only works in prep tournies where he can mindgame or cheese his opponents.
I'm sorry, but your post is EXTREMELY ignorant.
"He's just not good anymore."
I should of stop reading there, but I kept reading...
Bringing up his GSL win last season is hardly justifiable since he cheesed his way to the finals and cheesed most of his games in the finals.
LOL so because he cheesed he's now bad at SC2 and has no "honor"? MVP did what he had to do get that paycheck, gsl championship, and etc. I'm sorry he didn't play 200/200 macro games every single time.
His tvz is bad now, and his tvt seems to be shaky, and his tvp only works in prep tournies where he can mindgame or cheese his opponents.
Are you basing this off only HSC? ____________________
Honestly I feel like MVP should just switch to Zerg/Protoss and shut up all the haters.
Switching to protoss wont do him any favors. May I remind you only 1 protoss made over 100K playing SC2 and only one in top 13 of money winners?
That's MC.Over 300K and number 1 money winner. Gives you an idea how good he really is if you think about it.
Odds are against yeilding same kind of money and success with protoss as others have had.
On July 08 2012 16:48 red4ce wrote: No terrans hahaha guess I'll find something else to do tomorrow. A full day of PvZ, ZvZ and PvP is not exciting at all.
You are mistaken Best matchup in SC2 since queen buff is PvP which took place of TvZ.
Honestly go watch the vod of SaSe MC g2 for example.
Anyway I never understood the hate just cause your race is not represented. I love SC and watch it all and love it all... well almost all. ZvT is quickly becoming the worst matchup in the game by far now because of 5-10 min 3CC passivity in every game where terran can't or don't do anything. Just boring as hell. Droning and hellions sitting outside zerg base for 5-10 minutes is just boring. Then you got the envible swarm which is rather one sided these days. Like an adult beating on a child. again not somthing I'm into.
On July 08 2012 14:25 power-overwhelming wrote: MVP was never the favourite of this tourny anyway. He's just not good anymore. Bringing up his GSL win last season is hardly justifiable since he cheesed his way to the finals and cheesed most of his games in the finals. His tvz is bad now, and his tvt seems to be shaky, and his tvp only works in prep tournies where he can mindgame or cheese his opponents.
Every Terran has "bad" TvZ now.
And his last series against Naama did not even matter. If he won 2-0 he still would have finished 3rd in his group.