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On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.
Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ.
Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why.
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On December 17 2012 11:09 PhoenixVoid wrote: I understand that pros are really interested in the new units/upgrades, but wouldn't Infestor/Ling/Bane into Ultras or BLs fare better than Roach/Hydra/Viper? Caduceus Reactor as I understand makes Fungal a lot weaker, but the trapping is what I think is more important, then the Banes can crash into the Bio.
I play Protoss and so I'm not very familiar with HotS TvZ but from what I've heard the Hydra/Viper combo is a very powerful composition against mech but doesn't fare so well against Bio. The Hydras are not particularly cost efficient when the new Medivac upgrade comes into play and it looked pretty easy for the Terran to dodge the Blinding Cloud. I think more use of Abduct to snipe off Medivacs would have worked out better.
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On December 17 2012 11:10 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods. Infestors are not very good in hots, infested terrans don't get any benefit from upgrades, fungal is a projectile, and the WOL nerfs to the IT egg health and range is in there too. Vipers are good, Miya botched the final engagement badly. You could see how powerful good blinding clouds were in the earlier fights where it looked like he was about to die but turned it around.
They surelly will not be "winfestors" as in WoL, but still the "root"effect imo could be very important vs infantry. We gotta see how hots meta develops.
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Wow... I just watched Bio vs Roach-Hydra in SC2, awesome.
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Never had a better insomnia timing!
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On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.
Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ. Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why. Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech.
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On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.
Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ. Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why. Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech.
swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it.
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On December 17 2012 11:12 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:09 PhoenixVoid wrote: I understand that pros are really interested in the new units/upgrades, but wouldn't Infestor/Ling/Bane into Ultras or BLs fare better than Roach/Hydra/Viper? Caduceus Reactor as I understand makes Fungal a lot weaker, but the trapping is what I think is more important, then the Banes can crash into the Bio. I play Protoss and so I'm not very familiar with HotS TvZ but from what I've heard the Hydra/Viper combo is a very powerful composition against mech but doesn't fare so well against Bio. The Hydras are not particularly cost efficient when the new Medivac upgrade comes into play and it looked pretty easy for the Terran to dodge the Blinding Cloud. I think more use of Abduct to snipe off Medivacs would have worked out better.
Roach/Hydra/Viper is the new mid-late game composition against Mech from what I've seen so far. But the advantages don't carry so well against Bio, seeing as it lacks splash damage, efficiency and speed (to an extent).
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phew thank God TB and Husky heard us....the health bar is back to normal!
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Thanks for changing the healthbars back, TB!
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That was some WC3 micro with the Widow Mines. :p
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Awww Ryung, you're winning my heart.
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On December 17 2012 11:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.
Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ. Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why. Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech. swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it.
The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously.
Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem?
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Watching HotS, I notice a lot more action from Terran in the early to mid-game because the new units allow aggression without a huge investment.
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Crank is so dead. Widow mines best T addition in hots?
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On December 17 2012 11:21 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.
Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ. Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why. Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech. swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it. The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously. Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem?
The most iconic unit in SC for Terran was the siege tank and positional play resulting from it. As a spectator and player I miss it in TvP as the immortal renders every mech unit aside from hellions impotent. It's mech. Not only robo units.
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Wow, can Husky be any MORE impartial? Wow, stop whining about Terran already, jesus, I guess this is what happens when you have copper league casters
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On December 17 2012 11:24 Belha wrote: Crank is so dead. Widow mines best T addition in hots? Everyone thought widow mines were sucky until the koreans showed us how to use them, lol.
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On December 17 2012 11:25 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 11:21 sitromit wrote:On December 17 2012 11:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:On December 17 2012 11:14 Belha wrote:On December 17 2012 11:11 Badfatpanda wrote:On December 17 2012 11:09 Belha wrote: I just don't see a reason to make vipers over infestors. Miya played a la Blizzard hots vods.
Widow Mine on the other hand seems really good and interesting for TvZ. Wait till you see some poor terran try to mech vs zerg lol. Then you'll see a reason why. Ya you re right, with infestors balanced in hots, viper should be the caster of choice vs mech. swarm hosts aren't too bad either. Honestly I don't get it, it seems like some where along the "fix mech tvp" line they killed mech in tvz. Or considerably weakened it. The mech argument is one that I'll never understand. If a Protoss player said "I want to win games making only Robotics units because I don't like making Zealots or Stalkers at all", people would not take it seriously. Tanks are awesome, Hellions are awesome, Thors are awesome and all these units are viable. What's the problem? The most iconic unit in SC for Terran was the siege tank and positional play resulting from it. As a spectator and player I miss it in TvP as the immortal renders every mech unit aside from hellions impotent. It's mech. Not only robo units.
Then the problem is the Immortal not Terran mech. Unfortunately I don't see Blizzard ever changing it.
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