how many more losses until EG-TL gets mathematically eliminated? I can't help but feel like they won't get past KT and I think they should be coming close
On May 18 2013 10:12 chipmonklord17 wrote: how many more losses until EG-TL gets mathematically eliminated? I can't help but feel like they won't get past KT and I think they should be coming close
we need Aligulac to figure out the chances of EG-TL getting into the playoffs lol, too bad it doesn't support that
On May 18 2013 10:12 chipmonklord17 wrote: how many more losses until EG-TL gets mathematically eliminated? I can't help but feel like they won't get past KT and I think they should be coming close
Let's see, EG-TL has 11 more matches left I think. So if they win all of them(lol) that would put them at 22-20 which will probably be enough to make the playoffs. If they won 10 out of those 11 then they'd be at 21-21, which might be enough to make it to the playoffs lol.
Flash is on my FPL team. But I just traded Woongjin Stars' sOs for Taeja!
I got a feelin'... that tonight's gonna be a(n almost) all-kill (into reverse all-kill) night...
Taeja will stop the Flash juggernaught. Come on, Taeja! (but watch, I bet Alive is going to kill Flash and then Hydra will come out and all-kill EG-TL that would be FPL catastrophe...)
I generally like underdogs to win, and that applies here for EG-TL. However, I really just want Jaedong to beat Flash in an epic game. The actual match result I do not care as much about.
I do not see Flash losing to anyone, though. If he does, it will probably be in a mirror matchup.
On May 18 2013 10:32 Jacmert wrote: (but watch, I bet Alive is going to kill Flash and then Hydra will come out and all-kill EG-TL that would be FPL catastrophe...)
Hydra is on CJ entus, not KT Rolster. I doubt Hydra will ever come out on vT however. This is the ultimate, full week of week 5! gl everybody
I dont think any of the zergs in EGTL can beat Flash. And we dont have any decent protosses, so I assume if Alive doesn't win his game they'll need to throw Taeja in if they want even a slight chance
I had the saddest panda moment ever. I wanted to reply with "YOU HAVE TO SHOP IN JD FOR APHRODITES FACE"
But...
And yeah that's super sad. I miss him on that team but I thine overall it has helped Team 8 force themselves to become a team and grow talent from within. But JD on the face would have been amazing I agree.
side note: EG really lacks team photos, what the hell is up with that *__*
On May 18 2013 11:02 j4vz wrote: I dont think anyone beside Taeja and Jaedong have a chance to take out Flash, its not that Jaedong is that good but he knows how to punish Flash.
I really llike EG-TL but i also really like Flash, im hoping for an all-kill from Flash.
Thing is aLive is actually decent at TvT. He's more than capable of taking a game off Flash.
These hellbats TvTs look like two pugilists just head-butting each other at the beginning of the match, and whoever falls to the ground unconscious the fastes loses.
On May 18 2013 12:19 Raskit wrote: I've been out of the loop for the past month because of exams. Has TvT devolved to hellbat vs hellbat every game? or is it just Flash being Flash?
It's not every game but it is common, that map is pretty good for that strat as well.
On May 18 2013 12:19 Raskit wrote: I've been out of the loop for the past month because of exams. Has TvT devolved to hellbat vs hellbat every game? or is it just Flash being Flash?
What does Flash being Flash mean?
anyway, no. TVT is still probably the most entertaining mirror matchup. There has lately been a resurgence in mech so hellbat drops have been coming back (Flash especially likes them because hes so good with them)
On May 18 2013 12:19 Raskit wrote: I've been out of the loop for the past month because of exams. Has TvT devolved to hellbat vs hellbat every game? or is it just Flash being Flash?
There is a lot of hellbat dropping in TvT but they aren't all like that. It was mostly dull due to the giant skill gap between players rather than the game itself.
egtl already killed most of my hopes.... you know it's gotten bad when you dont care if they lose the season, not make the playoffs, or even lose the match. just plz dont get all-killed
Clearly Flash can use his mind to micro and control his units. He uses his hands just to mask the fact that he is a cyborg, but really, he doesn't need hands to play.
TaeJas drop was better, lost 2 hellions less and forced one scan more, worth the 3 more worker lost. Maybe 2 Marines would spice it up, they can snipe the weak scvs, though way more micro and you have to defend the drop of your opponent as well.
On May 18 2013 12:39 Neptuneajax wrote: On another note, can someone please explain to me how in the hell hellbats are considered bio and able to be healed?
On May 18 2013 12:39 Neptuneajax wrote: On another note, can someone please explain to me how in the hell hellbats are considered bio and able to be healed?
I dunno, does it make any less sense than marines and marauders in big metal suits being healed by magical green beams?
On May 18 2013 12:39 Neptuneajax wrote: On another note, can someone please explain to me how in the hell hellbats are considered bio and able to be healed?
I dunno, does it make any less sense than marines and marauders in big metal suits being healed by magical green beams?
well when you consider that it is a robot being healed by a magical green beam then yes
Old TvT = Old Star Trek - Enterprise drops were rare and featured clunky action and cerebral gameplay New TvT = New Star Trek - Drops everytime, constant exciting action but accused of being a lot dumber with lower character development
On May 18 2013 12:39 Neptuneajax wrote: On another note, can someone please explain to me how in the hell hellbats are considered bio and able to be healed?
I dunno, does it make any less sense than marines and marauders in big metal suits being healed by magical green beams?
well when you consider that it is a robot being healed by a magical green beam then yes
It's a magical green beam. The target is irrelevant, the clue is in the word Magical.
On May 18 2013 12:39 Neptuneajax wrote: On another note, can someone please explain to me how in the hell hellbats are considered bio and able to be healed?
I dunno, does it make any less sense than marines and marauders in big metal suits being healed by magical green beams?
well when you consider that it is a robot being healed by a magical green beam then yes
It's not really a robot, more of a man-operated vehicle that can transform into a flamethrowing battle suit. :p
On May 18 2013 12:39 Neptuneajax wrote: On another note, can someone please explain to me how in the hell hellbats are considered bio and able to be healed?
I dunno, does it make any less sense than marines and marauders in big metal suits being healed by magical green beams?
well when you consider that it is a robot being healed by a magical green beam then yes
It's still a dude in a metal suit in any case. Hellbats have drivers.
I always imagine those are +3 attack hellions that get dropped and melt all the workers and then all the hellbat reinforcements, rather then hellbats that might get lucky and get 3 workers and then die to the reinforcements.
On May 18 2013 12:48 rj rl wrote: Finally someone's aware of taeja's proxy bullshit and it's punished. ps: have anyone ever seen thors' second AA mode used in a promatch?
I can't recall when but yes, I have seen it. It's not especially good though.
On May 18 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote: How is Flash letting his lead slip away, he's not seriously getting outplayed in lategame TvT by a guy with broken wrists is he? O_O
On May 18 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote: How is Flash letting his lead slip away, he's not seriously getting outplayed in lategame TvT by a guy with broken wrists is he? O_O
Never underestimate the Terran with the broken wrists.
On May 18 2013 12:49 Dodgin wrote: How is Flash letting his lead slip away, he's not seriously getting outplayed in lategame TvT by a guy with broken wrists is he? O_O
His air transition is in progress and much further along than Taeja's, he's in fine shape.
Great game! Flash was so ahead I was sure he was gonna win, then Taeja was slowly coming back from his amazing micro and doing great trades, but the the extra bases ended up being too much, TvT<3
That was a pretty fun game. Sure, the early game TvT sees a lot of hellbat usage, but if the two players are relatively equal in skill, it can still transition into some fun games.
I always feel bad for Taeja. In my mind he is still a fantastic players but 1) he is obviously hampered by wrist issues and 2) he is always getting sent out against the other team's best players, making it hard to get momentum.
On May 18 2013 12:52 Scarecrow wrote: Taeja mules piss me off. This is why I love Flash, such insane play to stay alive that long
Are you confused? Your statement of "such insane play to stay alive that long" applies way more to Taeja than Flash here... Taeja was considerably behind for nearly the entire game, but he managed to stay in it for a long time through really smart play.
On May 18 2013 12:53 petered wrote: I always feel bad for Taeja. In my mind he is still a fantastic players but 1) he is obviously hampered by wrist issues and 2) he is always getting sent out against the other team's best players, making it hard to get momentum.
yeah, they really just need to use him in a situation where he can just cheese and end the game quickly.
nice TvT, TaeJa army control was way better, but flash made the better decisions. Also haha @ flash leaving the Thor on missiles against Raven/Banshee combo. (okay if he hits then its big damage)
It wasn't a shitty game but I REALLY dislike the fact that the hellbat drops in the early game decides who wins, yeah the game didn't end there but someone of Flash's skill level isn't going to lose a game after being so ahead. It was just a 15 minute death animation.
What a great game, flash started off with a lead using hellbat drops, but Taeja came back with great trades, good positional playing, and micro. But in the end flashes extra base was just too much....it would've only taken one hellbat drop by Taeja to shut that down, but alas.
On May 18 2013 12:56 Dodgin wrote: It wasn't a shitty game but I REALLY dislike the fact that the hellbat drops in the early game decides who wins, yeah the game didn't end there but someone of Flash's skill level isn't going to lose a game after being so ahead. It was just a 15 minute death animation.
On May 18 2013 12:56 Porishan wrote: You won't see any amazing mech vs mech game like that, tbh mech vs mech in TvT is always considered boring matchup but that game is incredible good
You must be confused, mech TvT has been good since we first started seeing it in WoL.
On May 18 2013 12:56 Dodgin wrote: It wasn't a shitty game but I REALLY dislike the fact that the hellbat drops in the early game decides who wins, yeah the game didn't end there but someone of Flash's skill level isn't going to lose a game after being so ahead. It was just a 15 minute death animation.
To each his own I guess. I think hellbat fights are pretty micro and multi-task intensive, and it's mostly skill dependent. Adds a bit more action to the early game TvT which I personally don't mind too much, unless my favorite players die to it.
On May 18 2013 12:55 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Flash's win ratios to 3 races are all around 60%. It's just amazing.
Standard Flash if you ask me :p
Not that Flash needs anymore hype than he already has, but in my mind he is undoubtedly the best RTS player of all time. The way he transitioned from being top dog in BW to being a top 5 player in SC2 in about 6 months is just mind boggling.
I always believed that RTS skill is mostly hard work and dedication over innate talent, but Flash obviously has something the rest of us don't.
On May 18 2013 12:48 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Don't be turtle TaeJa.
Have you ever been bitten by a turtle? It hurts.
Have you ever seen battle cruisers shoot a turtle.
Well, the best analogy would be predatory birds hunting turtles. They can't pierce through the carapace or reach inside the shell, so they just pick them up and let them fall from a high enough height as to kill the poor turtle on impact and crack the shell.
Why don't they display a huge ass Flash on KT side in the scorescreen like they did with Bisu and Free. I thought it looked better that way. Hope they do it again lol
On May 18 2013 12:55 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Flash's win ratios to 3 races are all around 60%. It's just amazing.
Standard Flash if you ask me :p
Not that Flash needs anymore hype than he already has, but in my mind he is undoubtedly the best RTS player of all time. The way he transitioned from being top dog in BW to being a top 5 player in SC2 in about 6 months is just mind boggling.
I always believed that RTS skill is mostly hard work and dedication over innate talent, but Flash obviously has something the rest of us don't.
On May 18 2013 12:55 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Flash's win ratios to 3 races are all around 60%. It's just amazing.
Standard Flash if you ask me :p
Not that Flash needs anymore hype than he already has, but in my mind he is undoubtedly the best RTS player of all time. The way he transitioned from being top dog in BW to being a top 5 player in SC2 in about 6 months is just mind boggling.
I always believed that RTS skill is mostly hard work and dedication over innate talent, but Flash obviously has something the rest of us don't.
Flash is what happens when a genius works his ass off.
On May 18 2013 12:56 Dodgin wrote: It wasn't a shitty game but I REALLY dislike the fact that the hellbat drops in the early game decides who wins, yeah the game didn't end there but someone of Flash's skill level isn't going to lose a game after being so ahead. It was just a 15 minute death animation.
To each his own I guess. I think hellbat fights are pretty micro and multi-task intensive, and it's mostly skill dependent. Adds a bit more action to the early game TvT which I personally don't mind too much, unless my favorite players die to it.
the biggest problem with hellbat is that the one who is doing hellbat drops are always easier with the multi tasking side because of the medviac pick up micro. you can constantly position and reposition the units and just pick up if needed. there is technically no GOOD defensive micro because of it.
Sort of funny, On-air, sOs aka sHy was the first player to beat a eSF player ST_Ace and now he's coming this far Those former rookie of the year Kespa toss are scary ;_;
On May 18 2013 13:02 jesteRp wrote: To all the people complaining about TvT being all hellbat drops, imagine this: dropships held 4 hellbats as cargo instead of 2 pre-patch.
Just because it was dumb prepatch doesn't mean it's not dumb now.
On May 18 2013 13:03 LighT. wrote: Sort of funny, On-air, sOs aka sHy was the first player to beat a eSF player ST_Ace and now he's coming this far Those former rookie of the year Kespa toss are scary ;_;
On May 18 2013 13:02 jesteRp wrote: To all the people complaining about TvT being all hellbat drops, imagine this: dropships held 4 hellbats as cargo instead of 2 pre-patch.
Just because it was dumb prepatch doesn't mean it's not dumb now.
people would rather see 8 marines in a medivac, because that's what they're used to, I guess.
On May 18 2013 12:56 Dodgin wrote: It wasn't a shitty game but I REALLY dislike the fact that the hellbat drops in the early game decides who wins, yeah the game didn't end there but someone of Flash's skill level isn't going to lose a game after being so ahead. It was just a 15 minute death animation.
To each his own I guess. I think hellbat fights are pretty micro and multi-task intensive, and it's mostly skill dependent. Adds a bit more action to the early game TvT which I personally don't mind too much, unless my favorite players die to it.
the biggest problem with hellbat is that the one who is doing hellbat drops are always easier with the multi tasking side because of the medviac pick up micro. you can constantly position and reposition the units and just pick up if needed. there is technically no GOOD defensive micro because of it.
It's like that period of time where every protoss on ladder in PvP went for 4gate. If you didn't 4gate, you most likely died to a 4gate, but then you were behind to everything else, so do you take the risk and go 3gate tech or do you just 4gate and hope he 4gated? It's a terrible analogy, but it kind of makes sense.
On May 18 2013 13:02 jesteRp wrote: To all the people complaining about TvT being all hellbat drops, imagine this: dropships held 4 hellbats as cargo instead of 2 pre-patch.
Just because it was dumb prepatch doesn't mean it's not dumb now.
people would rather see 8 marines in a medivac, because that's what they're used to, I guess.
I'd rather see 8 marines because they're destructible.
On May 18 2013 13:02 jesteRp wrote: To all the people complaining about TvT being all hellbat drops, imagine this: dropships held 4 hellbats as cargo instead of 2 pre-patch.
Just because it was dumb prepatch doesn't mean it's not dumb now.
people would rather see 8 marines in a medivac, because that's what they're used to, I guess.
Haven't you people heard. 1 viking drop is the new psychological warfare game.
On May 18 2013 13:02 jesteRp wrote: To all the people complaining about TvT being all hellbat drops, imagine this: dropships held 4 hellbats as cargo instead of 2 pre-patch.
Just because it was dumb prepatch doesn't mean it's not dumb now.
people would rather see 8 marines in a medivac, because that's what they're used to, I guess.
or It's because marines don't do insane damage to light units in a radius
On May 18 2013 13:02 jesteRp wrote: To all the people complaining about TvT being all hellbat drops, imagine this: dropships held 4 hellbats as cargo instead of 2 pre-patch.
the 4 slot was a buff. Made the hellbat drops more cost effective and if they drop 4 hellbats they unload with double speed and are harder to prevent since there are 2 drop ships. Overall I would say it helps people more then hurting them.
On May 18 2013 13:11 poisui wrote: Does Flash not study Hero's games? Hero cheeses like 75% of the games that I have seen from him. T_T
Dumb comment is dumb. Hero is generally macro focused player. he pulled out a cheese because he is playing against a strong macro player who favors greedy builds.
Smart build by HerO, Flash's reaper/CC first tendencies don't do well against single proxy gates (and Flash didnt scout the main which was a big mistake IMO)
On May 18 2013 13:13 Highways wrote: Hero disgraceful cheeser
It is not disgraceful to punish a player who plays extremely greedy all the time like that. This is a strategy game for goodness sake. It is smart to mix in some variety or else you let players get away with building too few units in the early game.
On May 18 2013 13:17 tozi wrote: that was a disappointing match. I thought it wouldve been a great game between those two. Hero just didn't want to go macro i guess <<
cant say i blame hiim
i agree. hero just did what he had to do there. it was his biggest chance of getting the win.
I hope Hero wins the next 2 games just because I want to see how good Stats is, especially now that he's acting as KT's final boss. Flash and Wooki getting all the playtime :/.
On May 18 2013 13:18 LuckyFool wrote: tuned in just in time to see Flash get pwnt in a cheesy game....sadness! Surprised Flash didn't scout it.
Like I said earlier, it was a really big deal when flash used his scouting scv to block the natural rather than check out the main. He caught the proxy too late and therefore didn't start his CC on the high ground.
On May 18 2013 13:19 NicksonReyes wrote: I hope Hero wins the next 2 games just because I want to see how good Stats is, especially now that he's acting as KT's final boss. Flash and Wooki getting all the playtime :/.
Youre guaranteed to see lots of Stats next week. hold your horses
On May 18 2013 13:21 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Greedy terrans are easy to be cheesed down these days, especiall Flash who is really excel at Macro.
Though Flash played fine until the oracle. I think he really underestimated Hero's aggression. His completely let down his defence completely and it cost him
On May 18 2013 13:21 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Greedy terrans are easy to be cheesed down these days, especiall Flash who is really excel at Macro.
I wasn't the biggest BW follower, but I remember Flash slumping in 2011 I believe when he would 14 CC every game and everyone cheesed him constantly until he stopped being so greedy.
On May 18 2013 13:21 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Greedy terrans are easy to be cheesed down these days, especiall Flash who is really excel at Macro.
I wasn't the biggest BW follower, but I remember Flash slumping in 2011 I believe when he would 14 CC every game and everyone cheesed him constantly until he stopped being so greedy.
Am I remembering that correctly?
No. He would 14cc every game, everyone cheesed him, beat him He still went 14cc, everyone still cheesed him but this time they couldnt beat him. And cheese vs 14cc was no longer effective
On May 18 2013 13:21 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Greedy terrans are easy to be cheesed down these days, especiall Flash who is really excel at Macro.
Though Flash played fine until the oracle. I think he really underestimated Hero's aggression. His completely let down his defence completely and it cost him
He was definitely behind at that point. Really should have started his CC on the high ground.
Still, the oracle followup was pretty brilliant because at that point Flash was counting on his bunkers rather than marine numbers to hold off aggression at the front.
On May 18 2013 13:11 poisui wrote: Does Flash not study Hero's games? Hero cheeses like 75% of the games that I have seen from him. T_T
i don't think flash extensively studies other players' games apart from a few people. he just pretty much does his own thing haha.
Yea..pretty much.. You cheese vs Flash? 14cc You macro vs Flash? 14cc Standard vs Flash? 14cc A game of Mafia? 14cc
Because he believes that he can stop it in it's tracks every time. Talk about a stubborn/confident player in his abilities.
Reminds me of Life vs Mvp in the GSL finals. Mvp goes for Blue Flame Hellion every game. Life was like fuck roaches, I can kill 12 blue flame hellions with drones and lings.
On May 18 2013 13:21 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Greedy terrans are easy to be cheesed down these days, especiall Flash who is really excel at Macro.
I wasn't the biggest BW follower, but I remember Flash slumping in 2011 I believe when he would 14 CC every game and everyone cheesed him constantly until he stopped being so greedy.
Am I remembering that correctly?
No. He would 14cc every game, everyone cheesed him, beat him He still went 14cc, everyone still cheesed him but this time they couldnt beat him. And cheese vs 14cc was no longer effective
On May 18 2013 13:21 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Greedy terrans are easy to be cheesed down these days, especiall Flash who is really excel at Macro.
I wasn't the biggest BW follower, but I remember Flash slumping in 2011 I believe when he would 14 CC every game and everyone cheesed him constantly until he stopped being so greedy.
Am I remembering that correctly?
No. He would 14cc every game, everyone cheesed him, beat him He still went 14cc, everyone still cheesed him but this time they couldnt beat him. And cheese vs 14cc was no longer effective
Yeah, he would slightly alter timings and the littlest of details in his build such that cheese vs 14cc was near impossible.
On May 18 2013 13:15 NovemberstOrm wrote: HerO has a 72% winrate in hots pvp record is 13-5
Pretty impressive since he started off so horribly in HoTS. IIRC he was like 0-8 overall or something to start the expansion
Even with that streak he's still a beast in PvP this is why you don't question it when he's sent out against Rain/PartinG in the ace.
6-0'd adelscott, verdi and puzzle wow beast.
Why are you only looking at his last dreamhack results? lol.
I'm looking at the majority of his wins. Why are you only looking at HIS results? Wooki is fucking 9-2 in PL PvP only, and who's the beast - right, hero. lol.
On May 18 2013 13:15 NovemberstOrm wrote: HerO has a 72% winrate in hots pvp record is 13-5
Pretty impressive since he started off so horribly in HoTS. IIRC he was like 0-8 overall or something to start the expansion
Even with that streak he's still a beast in PvP this is why you don't question it when he's sent out against Rain/PartinG in the ace.
6-0'd adelscott, verdi and puzzle wow beast.
Why are you only looking at his last dreamhack results? lol.
I'm looking at the majority of his wins. Why are you only looking at HIS results? Wooki is fucking 9-2 in PL PvP only, and who's the beast - right, hero. lol.
Sorry fellah, but we call that selective reasoning and there's a lot more substance than that. Who said they both cannot be PvP beasts? HerO knows how to play. P.S. I wasn't only looking at HerO's results so don't put words in my mouth.
On May 18 2013 13:21 [OGN]Remmy wrote: Greedy terrans are easy to be cheesed down these days, especiall Flash who is really excel at Macro.
I wasn't the biggest BW follower, but I remember Flash slumping in 2011 I believe when he would 14 CC every game and everyone cheesed him constantly until he stopped being so greedy.
Am I remembering that correctly?
No. He would 14cc every game, everyone cheesed him, beat him He still went 14cc, everyone still cheesed him but this time they couldnt beat him. And cheese vs 14cc was no longer effective
Yeah, he would slightly alter timings and the littlest of details in his build such that cheese vs 14cc was near impossible.
Flash bet his opponent has no balls to cheese him. cuz he is Flash. But whenever his oppoent cheeses him, like what JD did last time, Flash is doomed
I think Flash's greater strength is his decision NOT to mind game. Often times lesser players get mind-gamed, and they will resort to mind games themselves, so mind games become a cycle, almost a coin-flip at times. Flash doesn't want to fool around with mind games and coin-flips. He rationalises that if he plays straight and solid, he will 65% out of his game. If he mind games, his win rate will deteroriate considerably, maybe 55%-60%. So while good players must mix up play, he has elevated his own play to a Zen-like and Jedi-like level i.e. "you can take me down today, but tomorrow I will be stronger and prevail".
So it's not that Flash doesn't like mind games. It's just that he figured that playing mind games hurts his solid play more than it benefits. He can, but he won't. And to come to that realisation, takes really deep thinking and discipline.
omg I had to switch to korean stream... english stream is actually unwatchable because of reasons I won't mention since I don't want to be a douche.... this game is exciting though *-*
On May 18 2013 13:49 rj rl wrote: gg hero, your proxies won't be missed.
Don't blame him for getting creative. It will always be in his opponents head. I remember Jangbi used to go for proxies all the time in BW to the point other players would get paranoid. o;
HerO why wouldn't you predict something like that, it's not WoL anymore where VRs are trash, you had the definite collosi lead he's not going to play catch-up
Great patient, reactive play by Wooki. His first frontal attack was just to buy time for his 3rd, and perhaps forced Hero to commit into making units. Then he fell back, built the perfect unit composition, and attacked for real.
On May 18 2013 13:50 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote: What's wrong with Alive, Revival and Oz. They all started strong and then simply faded away
They're nothing wrong with them. Alive's Oz's been playing solidly actually. Kespa guys have been sniping them hard, and studying extensively in non-all kill format. They're low-mid tier players overall, Alive being more mid tier.
On May 18 2013 13:53 tl2212 wrote: i really wanted to see JD vs flash
It would pretty one sided in FLash's favor. I haven't seen JD play in a while, but last I checked Flash was way ahead of him. I also remember Jaedong being terrible vs protoss.
On May 18 2013 13:53 tl2212 wrote: i really wanted to see JD vs flash
It would pretty one sided in FLash's favor. I haven't seen JD play in a while, but last I checked Flash was way ahead of him. I also remember Jaedong being terrible vs protoss.
Youre forgetting the fact that JD beat Flash the last time they played each other. JD has those Shine One-Hit KO timings that are quite effective vs him
On May 18 2013 13:49 rj rl wrote: gg hero, your proxies won't be missed.
Don't blame him for getting creative. It will always be in his opponents head. I remember Jangbi used to go for proxies all the time in BW to the point other players would get paranoid. o;
I remember originally hating hero because every time I saw him at MLG he was doing voidray stalker all ins against terran. Then I loved him for his cute micro tricks and his warp prisms in PvZ , now I'm just all mrggle again when he cheeses. I like him better when he's playing fancy but closer to standard.
Which is weird because I like cheese. I had a thing for July's tendency to baneling bust and Hongun's faith in blink stalker all ins.
I have no idea why hero is held to a higher standard.
On May 18 2013 13:53 tl2212 wrote: i really wanted to see JD vs flash
It would pretty one sided in FLash's favor. I haven't seen JD play in a while, but last I checked Flash was way ahead of him. I also remember Jaedong being terrible vs protoss.
But I think jd has beat flash a few times punishing flash greedy play...
On May 18 2013 13:53 tl2212 wrote: i really wanted to see JD vs flash
It would pretty one sided in FLash's favor. I haven't seen JD play in a while, but last I checked Flash was way ahead of him. I also remember Jaedong being terrible vs protoss.
On May 18 2013 13:49 rj rl wrote: gg hero, your proxies won't be missed.
Don't blame him for getting creative. It will always be in his opponents head. I remember Jangbi used to go for proxies all the time in BW to the point other players would get paranoid. o;
I remember originally hating hero because every time I saw him at MLG he was doing voidray stalker all ins against terran. Then I loved him for his cute micro tricks and his warp prisms in PvZ , now I'm just all mrggle again when he cheeses. I like him better when he's playing fancy but closer to standard.
Which is weird because I like cheese. I had a thing for July's tendency to baneling bust and Hongun's faith in blink stalker all ins.
I have no idea why hero is held to a higher standard.
I still consider him one of those Protoss' who thinks outside of the box and here's the thing. His micro has to be spot on or else he's dead just like every other toss. He still tries to make a lot of cute plays.
On May 18 2013 13:49 rj rl wrote: gg hero, your proxies won't be missed.
Don't blame him for getting creative. It will always be in his opponents head. I remember Jangbi used to go for proxies all the time in BW to the point other players would get paranoid. o;
I remember originally hating hero because every time I saw him at MLG he was doing voidray stalker all ins against terran. Then I loved him for his cute micro tricks and his warp prisms in PvZ , now I'm just all mrggle again when he cheeses. I like him better when he's playing fancy but closer to standard.
Which is weird because I like cheese. I had a thing for July's tendency to baneling bust and Hongun's faith in blink stalker all ins.
I have no idea why hero is held to a higher standard.
I still consider him one of those Protoss' who thinks outside of the box and here's the thing. His micro has to be spot on or else he's dead just like every other toss. He still tries to make a lot of cute plays.
There were games at either MLG or on stream where he tried to do 2base collosi warp prism harassment. There were a few games where a viking sniped the warp prism + collosi and he died 2 minutes later.
I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
is should be because "any other environment" is basically foreign tournaments for most of their players, and foreign tournaments you know - it's not really the same.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Yes and the other teams have more depth. This is one of the issues I addressed as soon as they made the announcement of TL-EG partnership. EG really needed TaeJa and HerO for depth but if the boys aren't running hot it equals trouble. The other teams have solid line-ups and fair competition inhouse to evaluate who to send out. They need more bodies and more healthy competition inside the house.
I honestly doubt they'll leave. With the new WCS system its not like their players will be too busy as they've all(?) chosen AM/EU and can play most of that online. I think it would almost be silly to leave. Unless of course they completely abandoned all of their Korean efforts which I can't imagine either team doing
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
It's not just snipes. Like I said, they rely a lot on certain players to run hot and yes they need more bodies in the house.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
SlayerS Coca and Puzzle helped them that one season man. You'd think that A.G. would have re-introduced to the mix.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
This is true. But that team lacked Taeja, Hero, JD, Oz, Alive, Revival. Basically...the entire EG-TL Roster they're boasting right now outside of JYP
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
They rely on those players because they're running hot so ofc you'll see those combos. Those rosters have more meat.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
SlayerS Coca and Puzzle helped them that one season man. You'd think that A.G. would have re-introduced to the mix.
I think JYP was also one of the best players on SlayerS_EG during GSTL? He got put into ace quite a bit. I remember Zenex vs Liquid very well actually. It was one of the first matches signaling Life's reign of domination.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
This is true. But that team lacked Taeja, Hero, JD, Oz, Alive, Revival. Basically...the entire EG-TL Roster they're boasting right now outside of JYP
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
Whats your point though.. KT is guaranteed to send: Stats/Flash/Zest SKT T1: Fantasy/Rain/Parting Samsung: Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality STX: INnovation/Rain/Trap All teams basically have 3-4 guys guaranteed to play.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
This is true. But that team lacked Taeja, Hero, JD, Oz, Alive, Revival. Basically...the entire EG-TL Roster they're boasting right now outside of JYP
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
This is true. But that team lacked Taeja, Hero, JD, Oz, Alive, Revival. Basically...the entire EG-TL Roster they're boasting right now outside of JYP
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
They're just hiding how much the rest of the team is improving in HotS right now. They're just hiding the fact that Flash and Wooki are actually their 2 worst players.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
Whats your point though.. KT is guaranteed to send: Stats/Flash/Zest SKT T1: Fantasy/Rain/Parting Samsung: Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality STX: INnovation/Rain/Trap All teams basically have 3-4 guys guaranteed to play.
The difference is the guys that are a step below. On EGTL, who's your next guy after Taeja, HerO, and JD? That player will most likely be weaker than any other guy that gets sent out.
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
They're just hiding how much the rest of the team is improving in HotS right now. They're just hiding the fact that Flash and Wooki are actually their 2 worst players.
I've been told, many times in the forums, that come playoffs, KT Zergs will rise and pwn all...
I hope EGTL doesn't leave PL. It was arrogant to think that they'd own PL immediately, but it would be a shame to lose the only foreign foothold in PL. Just take a look at WJS or STX... it is definitely possible to turn it around.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
lol thats not deep at all (deep enough for WCS NA though). And they dont even have a decent ace.
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
They're just hiding how much the rest of the team is improving in HotS right now. They're just hiding the fact that Flash and Wooki are actually their 2 worst players.
I've been told, many times in the forums, that come playoffs, KT Zergs will rise and pwn all...
heh, that's happened a few times. Mafia Zerg. Watch yourself. O-o
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
Whats your point though.. KT is guaranteed to send: Stats/Flash/Zest SKT T1: Fantasy/Rain/Parting Samsung: Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality STX: INnovation/Rain/Trap All teams basically have 3-4 guys guaranteed to play.
The difference is the guys that are a step below. On EGTL, who's your next guy after Taeja, HerO, and JD? That player will most likely be weaker than any other guy that gets sent out.
For STX..After Dear/Hyvaa/INnovation/Trap, all the guys are a step below...Mini hasnt reached there yet, Last sucks at PL for some reason. For KT, after the core and possibly crazy-hydra, everyone is also step below, Hitman's a big surprise if he wins any games. ACtion has looked terrible transitioning from WoL to HoTS Samsung..doesnt have much to choose from after their starting 4, + Shine.
As for EG-TL I think youre underestimating Revival/Oz/Alive, Alive's been quite solid in PL, and there's absolutely no shame in losing vs Innovation and Flash. JYP was one of EG-TL's best performers too. Revival/Oz will come around.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
SlayerS Coca and Puzzle helped them that one season man. You'd think that A.G. would have re-introduced to the mix.
I think JYP was also one of the best players on SlayerS_EG during GSTL? He got put into ace quite a bit. I remember Zenex vs Liquid very well actually. It was one of the first matches signaling Life's reign of domination.
He won a few games and he was EG's boyo but Coca and Puzzle were doing a lot of the heavy carrying, no?
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
Whats your point though.. KT is guaranteed to send: Stats/Flash/Zest SKT T1: Fantasy/Rain/Parting Samsung: Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality STX: INnovation/Rain/Trap All teams basically have 3-4 guys guaranteed to play.
The difference is the guys that are a step below. On EGTL, who's your next guy after Taeja, HerO, and JD? That player will most likely be weaker than any other guy that gets sent out.
For STX..After Dear/Hyvaa/INnovation/Trap, all the guys are a step below...Mini hasnt reached there yet, Last sucks at PL for some reason. For KT, after the core and possibly crazy-hydra, everyone is also step below, Hitman's a big surprise if he wins any games. ACtion has looked terrible transitioning from WoL to HoTS Samsung..doesnt have much to choose from after their starting 4, + Shine.
As for EG-TL I think youre underestimating Revival/Oz/Alive, Alive's been quite solid in PL, and there's absolutely no shame in losing vs Innovation and Flash. JYP was one of EG-TL's best performers too. Revival/Oz will come around.
It depends though. Some guys cannot handle being in individual leagues and PL at the same time. Sometimes they get rest; other times they don't, so meh.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
lol thats not deep at all (deep enough for WCS NA though). And they dont even have a decent ace.
Theyre certainly not the deepest team. But they certainly dont possess the least depth. T8, KT and STX have similar depth. except T8's core is minimally better than EG-TL's and KT and STX possess a super ace and a reliable 2nd hand man. Taeja + JD has been inconsistent
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
They're just hiding how much the rest of the team is improving in HotS right now. They're just hiding the fact that Flash and Wooki are actually their 2 worst players.
I've been told, many times in the forums, that come playoffs, KT Zergs will rise and pwn all...
Yep, wait until it's time for KT sends 4 zergs in a row again.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
They sucked in GSTL. They were dead-last. They got 5-2d by NSH_Tassadar.
SlayerS Coca and Puzzle helped them that one season man. You'd think that A.G. would have re-introduced to the mix.
I think JYP was also one of the best players on SlayerS_EG during GSTL? He got put into ace quite a bit. I remember Zenex vs Liquid very well actually. It was one of the first matches signaling Life's reign of domination.
He won a few games and he was EG's boyo but Coca and Puzzle were doing a lot of the heavy carrying, no?
Yeah, JYP basically just got sent out when nobody else was left CoCa was a monster that season, something like 11-5 in matches?
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
Whats your point though.. KT is guaranteed to send: Stats/Flash/Zest SKT T1: Fantasy/Rain/Parting Samsung: Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality STX: INnovation/Rain/Trap All teams basically have 3-4 guys guaranteed to play.
The difference is the guys that are a step below. On EGTL, who's your next guy after Taeja, HerO, and JD? That player will most likely be weaker than any other guy that gets sent out.
For STX..After Dear/Hyvaa/INnovation/Trap, all the guys are a step below...Mini hasnt reached there yet, Last sucks at PL for some reason. For KT, after the core and possibly crazy-hydra, everyone is also step below, Hitman's a big surprise if he wins any games. ACtion has looked terrible transitioning from WoL to HoTS Samsung..doesnt have much to choose from after their starting 4, + Shine.
As for EG-TL I think youre underestimating Revival/Oz/Alive, Alive's been quite solid in PL, and there's absolutely no shame in losing vs Innovation and Flash. JYP was one of EG-TL's best performers too. Revival/Oz will come around.
No one doubts their talent. The only question, I fear, is their training schedule. I don't know how's it like, but from EG's emphasis on streaming and marketing, maybe the environment doesn't breed them to be better players? Maybe if Coach Park stays, and implements some real hard-core training, we can see some real improvement. The worst thing is that JD's true talent may actually be stifled in EG I'm not suggesting EG's training is bad or anything, maybe it's just something the Koreans aren't used to, and mentally it stifles them.
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
Whats your point though.. KT is guaranteed to send: Stats/Flash/Zest SKT T1: Fantasy/Rain/Parting Samsung: Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality STX: INnovation/Rain/Trap All teams basically have 3-4 guys guaranteed to play.
The difference is the guys that are a step below. On EGTL, who's your next guy after Taeja, HerO, and JD? That player will most likely be weaker than any other guy that gets sent out.
For STX..After Dear/Hyvaa/INnovation/Trap, all the guys are a step below...Mini hasnt reached there yet, Last sucks at PL for some reason. For KT, after the core and possibly crazy-hydra, everyone is also step below, Hitman's a big surprise if he wins any games. ACtion has looked terrible transitioning from WoL to HoTS Samsung..doesnt have much to choose from after their starting 4, + Shine.
As for EG-TL I think youre underestimating Revival/Oz/Alive, Alive's been quite solid in PL, and there's absolutely no shame in losing vs Innovation and Flash. JYP was one of EG-TL's best performers too. Revival/Oz will come around.
you miss the fact that people like CH, hyvaa, Shine, Trap etc all reach code S. They arent better than say Flash/Bogus but they keep improving over time
meanwhile EGTL ace lost to some random in WCS Code A Round 1
On May 18 2013 14:13 Mohdoo wrote: I seriously don't understand EGTL. They perform so unbelievably bad in proleague. It makes no sense at all. They always look leagues worse than they do in any other environment.
Remember GSTL? The level of competition in PL is quite a bit higher than any other team-league they've ever played in.
Do you think they could do better in GSTL? I think the number one thing that hurts EGTL is having such a shallow line up. They use the same players constantly, in the nearly same order too. They will always be susceptible to snipes, even especially so in winners format.
Wah..they have a deep line up Terran: Taeja/Alive Toss: Hero, JYP, Oz Zerg: Revival, JD, (Snute/Zenio)
Also..all proleague teams depths are shalow Look at KT.. Same Flash/Zest/Stats/ ACtion or Crazy-hydra every time Look at Samsung Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality every time. Or even STX: Innovation/Hyvaa/(insert 2 STX Toss) all the time. only SKT T1 and Woongjin can boast about depth
Let's be honest here. Taeja, HerO, JD are guaranteed, teams know they will be sent out, everybody else is a major step below.
Whats your point though.. KT is guaranteed to send: Stats/Flash/Zest SKT T1: Fantasy/Rain/Parting Samsung: Jangbi/Roro/Stork/Reality STX: INnovation/Rain/Trap All teams basically have 3-4 guys guaranteed to play.
The difference is the guys that are a step below. On EGTL, who's your next guy after Taeja, HerO, and JD? That player will most likely be weaker than any other guy that gets sent out.
For STX..After Dear/Hyvaa/INnovation/Trap, all the guys are a step below...Mini hasnt reached there yet, Last sucks at PL for some reason. For KT, after the core and possibly crazy-hydra, everyone is also step below, Hitman's a big surprise if he wins any games. ACtion has looked terrible transitioning from WoL to HoTS Samsung..doesnt have much to choose from after their starting 4, + Shine.
As for EG-TL I think youre underestimating Revival/Oz/Alive, Alive's been quite solid in PL, and there's absolutely no shame in losing vs Innovation and Flash. JYP was one of EG-TL's best performers too. Revival/Oz will come around.
you miss the fact that people like CH, hyvaa, Shine, Trap etc all reach code S. They arent better than say Flash/Bogus but they keep improving over time
meanwhile EGTL ace lost to some random in WCS Code A Round 1
In IPLTAC, Taeja could carry Liquid by either all-killing or 4-killing and the rest of TL would find a way to scratch out a win. That's not the case right now, because there are players on each team that are either on an equal level or better than him. In fact, Taeja couldn't even carry the team in GSTL, because snipers got sent out and killed him and it turns out that besides HerO, everybody else on TL was a big step below the regular Koreans.
just so you guys know, the proleague teams are well rounded while EG-TL is not. they actually have bad players with only 3 decent ones(even amazing bonjwa level players lose in proleague consistently).
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
They're just hiding how much the rest of the team is improving in HotS right now. They're just hiding the fact that Flash and Wooki are actually their 2 worst players.
I've been told, many times in the forums, that come playoffs, KT Zergs will rise and pwn all...
Right, and Woongjin Terrans will dominate at the same time.
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
They're just hiding how much the rest of the team is improving in HotS right now. They're just hiding the fact that Flash and Wooki are actually their 2 worst players.
I've been told, many times in the forums, that come playoffs, KT Zergs will rise and pwn all...
Right, and Woongjin Terrans will dominate at the same time.
KT playoffs zergs is a thing... Multiple times they carried KT into the finals, when stats and flash were LOSING. All the way up to the finals against SKT in the last BW SPL, ALL of KT's zergs won against opponents that you would consider superior. Action Hoejja Crazy-Hydra Perfective going nearly perfect records. It was insane.
On May 18 2013 14:16 NicksonReyes wrote: So, so far this round, KT has won 16 games. 8 from Wooki, 7 from Flash and 1 from Stats. Halfway through the round, they haven't sent out anyone other than Flash and Wooki yet except in their first match where Stats was KT's starter.
The funny part is KT is still not a very strong team. Round 6 will send them back down the rankings.
They're just hiding how much the rest of the team is improving in HotS right now. They're just hiding the fact that Flash and Wooki are actually their 2 worst players.
I've been told, many times in the forums, that come playoffs, KT Zergs will rise and pwn all...
Right, and Woongjin Terrans will dominate at the same time.
KT playoffs zergs is a thing... Multiple times they carried KT into the finals, when stats and flash were LOSING. All the way up to the finals against SKT in the last BW SPL, ALL of KT's zergs won against opponents that you would consider superior. Action Hoejja Crazy-Hydra Perfective going nearly perfect records. It was insane.
Hoejja is still currently on something like 6-playoffs-win streak.
So the best EG-TL can do at this point is 21-21 with a +4 map score, and that's if they all-kill/sweep every remaining match. It would be a miracle indeed to make the playoffs...
Nice games in the series, except the final one was a bit of a butcher Such a shame to see Jaedong get dominated by protosses so often. Would be good if they could use him as a vZ sniper, but that's just not possible when the rest of the team can't win their games. HerO looked good though, and Taeja wasn't bad either. Flash/Wookie are just really strong at the moment.
On May 18 2013 19:01 Qikz wrote: FLash vs Taeja is one of the most exciting TvTs I've ever seen in SC2. This is why mech vs mech is better than anything with bio in it.
On May 18 2013 19:01 Qikz wrote: FLash vs Taeja is one of the most exciting TvTs I've ever seen in SC2. This is why mech vs mech is better than anything with bio in it.
Them siege lines by Flash! <3
Marine tank vs marine tank = best
Nope, I can't stand marine tank. The marines are just pretty much pointless fodder and whoever kills the other guys marines wins. Mech vs Mech is all about the siege lines and dead zones (even in SC2) where anything that walks in gets killed and it's all about getting the vision advantage rather than whoever has the most marines.
Flash vs TaeJa was just as good as expected. So many amazing small things, like TaeJas tank drop micro. Haven't seen that since MKP used it a year ago or something. Also TaeJa is so cute biting his lips all the time. It reminded me on a girlfriend I had who had similar babyface.
On May 18 2013 19:51 BigFan wrote: ouch, didn't think they'll get 4-1 Oo;
After they 4-0ed them 3 times?
well last round EG-TL did manage to go 3-0 up before getting 4-0'd haha
Notice the trend?
On May 18 2013 20:47 {ToT}ColmA wrote: gonna be interesting if they go into another proleague season with eg/tl, performance wise it can probably only be described well not so good lol
Why wouldn't they? This is what I call getting your feet wet. You guys placed absolutely ridiculous expectations on these guys to perform when in reality they're very inexperienced when it comes to PL. Their bench is truly reliant on two guys running hot and the rest of the team at least playing mediocre. That's not a good recipe for success. Stephano didn't want to stay, the other foreigners are doing the WCS thing and were unreliable to perform. At the end of the day, you need more players. Heck, even the ESF teams realize they need substantial rosters in order to keep up.
On May 18 2013 20:47 {ToT}ColmA wrote: gonna be interesting if they go into another proleague season with eg/tl, performance wise it can probably only be described well not so good lol
Why wouldn't they? This is what I call getting your feet wet. You guys placed absolutely ridiculous expectations on these guys to perform when in reality they're very inexperienced when it comes to PL. Their bench is truly reliant on two guys running hot and the rest of the team at least playing mediocre. That's not a good recipe for success. Stephano didn't want to stay, the other foreigners are doing the WCS thing and were unreliable to perform. At the end of the day, you need more players. Heck, even the ESF teams realize they need substantial rosters in order to keep up.
Exactly lol Even if they suck, they still bring a ton of fans. Plus it's not like proleague is just gonna kick out the last place team ever season, there HAS to always be a last place haha
On May 18 2013 19:01 Qikz wrote: FLash vs Taeja is one of the most exciting TvTs I've ever seen in SC2. This is why mech vs mech is better than anything with bio in it.
Them siege lines by Flash! <3
Marine tank vs marine tank = best
nah bio vs mech is the best. Bio drops like crazy and mech with solid defense. Way more fun to watch than marine/tank war. Mech vs mech is even better than marines/tank
On May 19 2013 01:12 sparklyresidue wrote: If you're not going to bring your big guns to the fight (read: Snute), I'm sorry EG-TL, you've got no chance ^^
The fact that you think that Snute is a big gun that should have replaced anyone in the post-starter lineup of HerO, Taeja and Jaedong says a lot imo.
On May 19 2013 01:12 sparklyresidue wrote: If you're not going to bring your big guns to the fight (read: Snute), I'm sorry EG-TL, you've got no chance ^^
The fact that you think that Snute is a big gun that should have replaced anyone in the post-starter lineup of HerO, Taeja and Jaedong says a lot imo.
On May 19 2013 01:46 StarStruck wrote: Some people cannot take a joke. ;/
Sometimes it is hard to tell if people are joking or they are just stupid.
I find this quite difficult over the internet because I can't see their face. It helps if you include a :p if you are joking.
That ruins all the fun of it though.
Its ok, I already know you're stupid.
This is allowed on TL? Personal attack is worse than stupid, I'm an innocent stupid man, you are a jackass trying to pretend to be smart. I thought you won't watch joke proleague, why are you in this thread anyway?
On May 19 2013 01:46 StarStruck wrote: Some people cannot take a joke. ;/
Sometimes it is hard to tell if people are joking or they are just stupid.
I find this quite difficult over the internet because I can't see their face. It helps if you include a :p if you are joking.
That ruins all the fun of it though.
Its ok, I already know you're stupid.
This is allowed on TL? Personal attack is worse than stupid, I'm an innocent stupid man, you are a jackass trying to pretend to be smart.
You troll almost every thread you go into. I suppose stupid is the wrong word. I apologize.
I accept your apologize, and plz keep in mind, different opinion doesn't mean troll, I just came from a different place, and I happen to be much older than you guys, so different opinion is a given.
On May 19 2013 01:46 StarStruck wrote: Some people cannot take a joke. ;/
Sometimes it is hard to tell if people are joking or they are just stupid.
I find this quite difficult over the internet because I can't see their face. It helps if you include a :p if you are joking.
That ruins all the fun of it though.
Its ok, I already know you're stupid.
This is allowed on TL? Personal attack is worse than stupid, I'm an innocent stupid man, you are a jackass trying to pretend to be smart.
You troll almost every thread you go into. I suppose stupid is the wrong word. I apologize.
I accept your apologize, and plz keep in mind, different opinion doesn't mean troll, I just came from a different place, and I happen to be much older than you guys, so different opinion is a given.
I don't want to get off topic here but posts like these really make me think you are a huge troll. Unless you are joking in which case i suppose your sense of humour eludes me.
On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote: Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room
No, just no.
the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.
Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means.
It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol
Exactly, you missed the point. Even Hyuk is a middle weight elephant, let alone roro. Elephants don't go solo, they come in herds.
I watched BW proleague regularly for over 6 years, 30% winrate players in my book is an average player, and 50% winrate players is an Ace player, which could be close to being a legend. That's just my opinion. Why do you think Hyuk can get the coach job in SKT, cause he's much awesome than average players.
On May 19 2013 01:46 StarStruck wrote: Some people cannot take a joke. ;/
Sometimes it is hard to tell if people are joking or they are just stupid.
I find this quite difficult over the internet because I can't see their face. It helps if you include a :p if you are joking.
That ruins all the fun of it though.
Its ok, I already know you're stupid.
This is allowed on TL? Personal attack is worse than stupid, I'm an innocent stupid man, you are a jackass trying to pretend to be smart.
You troll almost every thread you go into. I suppose stupid is the wrong word. I apologize.
I accept your apologize, and plz keep in mind, different opinion doesn't mean troll, I just came from a different place, and I happen to be much older than you guys, so different opinion is a given.
I don't want to get off topic here but posts like these really make me think you are a huge troll. Unless you are joking in which case i suppose your sense of humour eludes me.
On May 15 2013 04:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote: Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room
No, just no.
the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.
Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means.
It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol
Exactly, you missed the point. Even Hyuk is a middle weight elephant, let alone roro. Elephants don't go solo, they come in herds.
I watched BW proleague regularly for over 6 years, 30% winrate players in my book is an average player, and 50% winrate players is an Ace player, which could be close to being a legend. That's just my opinion. Why do you think Hyuk can get the coach job in SKT, cause he's much awesome than average players.
You can be a horrible player and an excellent coach, and vice versa. I don't doubt that Hyuk is a good coach (and I know he had a few moments of greatness in BW as a player as well), but that doesn't mean he'd necessarily be competing for GSLs.
Disappointing result for EG-TL. But it's very hard when you need to throw the strongest 3 players on your line-up at Flash all at once in order to take him out.
On May 19 2013 01:46 StarStruck wrote: Some people cannot take a joke. ;/
Sometimes it is hard to tell if people are joking or they are just stupid.
I find this quite difficult over the internet because I can't see their face. It helps if you include a :p if you are joking.
That ruins all the fun of it though.
Its ok, I already know you're stupid.
This is allowed on TL? Personal attack is worse than stupid, I'm an innocent stupid man, you are a jackass trying to pretend to be smart.
You troll almost every thread you go into. I suppose stupid is the wrong word. I apologize.
I accept your apologize, and plz keep in mind, different opinion doesn't mean troll, I just came from a different place, and I happen to be much older than you guys, so different opinion is a given.
I don't want to get off topic here but posts like these really make me think you are a huge troll. Unless you are joking in which case i suppose your sense of humour eludes me.
On May 15 2013 04:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote: Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room
No, just no.
the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.
Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means.
It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol
Exactly, you missed the point. Even Hyuk is a middle weight elephant, let alone roro. Elephants don't go solo, they come in herds.
I watched BW proleague regularly for over 6 years, 30% winrate players in my book is an average player, and 50% winrate players is an Ace player, which could be close to being a legend. That's just my opinion. Why do you think Hyuk can get the coach job in SKT, cause he's much awesome than average players.
It depends on what "awesome" is. If you mean skilled. No. He's far worse than most of the A-teamers on SKT T1. 30% is NOT an average player, thats a below average player. You are entitled to an opinion however your voice is a very minisecule one...such that I'm unsure if anyone else holds similar views. Right now, what is ace player at the moment is: ~high 50%+, the Proleague stats indicate exactly that, the mid tier being mid 40% -mid 50%.
Hyuk is a captain because he's one of, if not the oldest (havent checked the ages exactly). Korean tradition. Oldest always gets the leadership role, unless you are an exceptional player that can't be discounted (ie. Jaedong). He can get coach because of his loyal services with the SKT, (loyalty is awarded far more in korea), and although his skill may not reflect much, he may still possess a brilliant mind (ie Nestea) with just not the right mechanics to back it up. RIght now what I see is a lot of players who are unable to compete with the high level players, and dropping off, receiving that captain role. (Ie. Hoejja, Calm, Hyuk, Leta) one of the few exceptions being ZerO., their role is to retain moral of the team and act like a model citizen.
Also, you guys should refrain from personal attacks.
On May 19 2013 01:46 StarStruck wrote: Some people cannot take a joke. ;/
Sometimes it is hard to tell if people are joking or they are just stupid.
I find this quite difficult over the internet because I can't see their face. It helps if you include a :p if you are joking.
That ruins all the fun of it though.
Its ok, I already know you're stupid.
This is allowed on TL? Personal attack is worse than stupid, I'm an innocent stupid man, you are a jackass trying to pretend to be smart.
You troll almost every thread you go into. I suppose stupid is the wrong word. I apologize.
I accept your apologize, and plz keep in mind, different opinion doesn't mean troll, I just came from a different place, and I happen to be much older than you guys, so different opinion is a given.
I don't want to get off topic here but posts like these really make me think you are a huge troll. Unless you are joking in which case i suppose your sense of humour eludes me.
On May 15 2013 04:51 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 15 2013 04:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 04:04 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On May 15 2013 03:14 Wombat_NI wrote:
On May 15 2013 01:45 Sadness wrote: Hello everyone, sorry for being late
- Elephant in the room
No, just no.
the real elephant in the room is that no one remembers what the article said they just want to reference it whenever kespa wins.
Looks like you clearly don't know what the article means.
It said the top BW players would dominate SC2. not 44% win rate sHy and 50% win rate RorO while Bisu, Jangbi, Fantasy, Jaedong, etc dont compete for titles lol
Exactly, you missed the point. Even Hyuk is a middle weight elephant, let alone roro. Elephants don't go solo, they come in herds.
I watched BW proleague regularly for over 6 years, 30% winrate players in my book is an average player, and 50% winrate players is an Ace player, which could be close to being a legend. That's just my opinion. Why do you think Hyuk can get the coach job in SKT, cause he's much awesome than average players.
It depends on what "awesome" is. If you mean skilled. No. He's far worse than most of the A-teamers on SKT T1. 30% is NOT an average player, thats a below average player. You are entitled to an opinion however your voice is a very minisecule one...such that I'm unsure if anyone else holds similar views. Right now, what is ace player at the moment is: ~high 50%+, the Proleague stats indicate exactly that, the mid tier being mid 40% -mid 50%.
Hyuk is a captain because he's one of, if not the oldest (havent checked the ages exactly). Korean tradition. Oldest always gets the leadership role, unless you are an exceptional player that can't be discounted (ie. Jaedong). He can get coach because of his loyal services with the SKT, (loyalty is awarded far more in korea), and although his skill may not reflect much, he may still possess a brilliant mind (ie Nestea) with just not the right mechanics to back it up. RIght now what I see is a lot of players who are unable to compete with the high level players, and dropping off, receiving that captain role. (Ie. Hoejja, Calm, Hyuk, Leta) one of the few exceptions being ZerO., their role is to retain moral of the team and act like a model citizen.
Also, you guys should refrain from personal attacks.
An average players gets less than 50% winrate is because below average players are sent out very rarely, so the average players will face legends and above average players much more often than below average players, they will definitely get a less than 50% winrate.
My rule is if the player gets sent out regularly, then he's an above average player, unless he possess some kind of horrible record.
And the reason they are old progamers is because they are good enough to be old progamers. Those below average players are all washed out when they were young.
On May 19 2013 03:21 ducken wrote: I wonder if boxer is a good coach. Part of me wants to believe he spends all of his time just telling players to try crazy strategies.
EG-TL already has no chance to get into the playoffs?
I'm not sure about the math here, but I was told that EG-TL already has no chance to get into the playoffs.
EG-TL has 10 matches ahead. Even if they win all of them, they will have a standing of 21-21. I think in all SPL, getting into the playoffs can only be case when you have at least one win more than losses. I don't know the math here but it seems like the case.
On May 19 2013 06:33 larse wrote: EG-TL already has no chance to get into the playoffs?
I'm not sure about the math here, but I was told that EG-TL already has no chance to get into the playoffs.
EG-TL has 10 matches ahead. Even if they win all of them, they will have a standing of 21-21. I think in all SPL, getting into the playoffs can only be case when you have at least one win more than losses. I don't know the math here but it seems like the case.
I think it may still be theoretically possible, because if they go 4-0 in their next ten matches, they'll have a positive map score. But hoping for that is like hoping to win the lottery. I think EG TL should just try to avoid getting last place and get 7th in the final standings. They'd lose slightly less face that way
On May 19 2013 08:25 GolemMadness wrote: Fun fact: in HotS, Wooki's PvP is over 80%.
yeah it's pretty fucking good. I posted earlier in the thread that he's currently on a pvp win streak with wins against HerO, sOs, free, Stork, Dear, and Trap. pretty nice list
On May 19 2013 08:25 GolemMadness wrote: Fun fact: in HotS, Wooki's PvP is over 80%.
yeah it's pretty fucking good. I posted earlier in the thread that he's currently on a pvp win streak with wins against HerO, sOs, free, Stork, Dear, and Trap. pretty nice list