So, Rogue will falter in Ro8 as he always does, soO will beat one of tosses who beat him in the finals before and then he will get rekt by GumiGod in finals.
Yesterday I invented a metaphor for the matchups in SC2, akin to the coveted food pyramid, only appropriately adjusted for the different number of members in each tier, as the numbers make a very poor pyramid.
Just imagine a human figure, the head is TvZ and the shoulders, slightly lower are TvT and ZvP. The body, below, all of that is TvP and then there is the butt with two buttcheeks, ZvZ and PvP. The figure has no legs because nothing would ever even attach to such abominations from below.
On June 08 2017 18:19 opisska wrote: Yesterday I invented a metaphor for the matchups in SC2, akin to the coveted food pyramid, only appropriately adjusted for the different number of members in each tier, as the numbers make a very poor pyramid.
Just imagine a human figure, the head is TvZ and the shoulders, slightly lower are TvT and ZvP. The body, below, all of that is TvP and then there is the butt with two buttcheeks, ZvZ and PvP. The figure has no legs because nothing would ever even attach to such abominations from below.
On June 08 2017 18:36 Durnuu wrote: Hoping for some Carrier vs Carrier
Only after the Pylon vs Pylon opener though
It's so sad that you can build only one mommacore, imagine PvP if both could just produce unlimited amounts of those and the whole map would be eventually covered with mutually fighting pylons.
Hmm Clasic would have won all he had to do was A-move into Stats Army once killing those Stargate Pylons. He had what 5 carrier advantage and there were not tempests... Dunno why he waited. And 82 probes while maxed out with 3k/3k bank didnt help at all as well haha
On June 08 2017 19:36 MarianoSC2 wrote: Hmm Clasic would have won all he had to do was A-move into Stats Army once killing those Stargate Pylons. He had what 5 carrier advantage and there were not tempests... Dunno why he waited. And 82 probes while maxed out with 3k/3k bank didnt help at all as well haha
soO's ZvZ has always been good, but Rogue has a winning record (8-3 in games) against him. It's gonna be interesting. It's the first time they play in a bo5 too.
On June 08 2017 20:42 Zzzapper wrote: muta switch vs spire and Rogue gets flyer attack...
Doesn't matter. soO will gg the moment he see the mutas
Yeah, sure but if you get an upgrade anyway why would you go for the wrong one?
It's not really the wrong one. Rogue knew about soO's transition into lurkers (or at least Hydras, not sure he actually saw it morphing), meaning there would not be a muta vs muta war.
On June 08 2017 20:44 MarianoSC2 wrote: Btw I watched Zest stream yesterday and he got totally destroyed 2 times by a Zerg with around 7100 MMR. Was that the Sexi boy? :O
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
Yeah I have trouble with ling/bane wars too. That's why I love maps with small chokes in the natural in ZvZ (like overgrowth), so you can wall against lings
That composure. Everyone had soO out already, and as I just came back to the game, I just realised he was the one being rushed, not the other way around (the names position is misleading).
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
I guess when you are good at it you feel invincible?
That hold was so insanely close to failing. The one ling in the main not being focused, another single ling on the ramp and the queen surviving with like 10 hp.
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
Yeah I have trouble with ling/bane wars too. That's why I love maps with small chokes in the natural in ZvZ (like overgrowth), so you can wall against lings
I just go a lot of defensive banes and sortof amove them all around the place. Yeah, that's how you defend in Platinum, because they usually try fancy shit that doesn't work at all.
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
Yeah I have trouble with ling/bane wars too. That's why I love maps with small chokes in the natural in ZvZ (like overgrowth), so you can wall against lings
I just go a lot of defensive banes and sortof amove them all around the place. Yeah, that's how you defend in Platinum, because they usually try fancy shit that doesn't work at all.
A nice simple trick is to put 1 bane in each mineral line to defend against lings and 2 on top of your ramp against banes. You barely have to micro those, the positioning is really strong on its own
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
Yeah I have trouble with ling/bane wars too. That's why I love maps with small chokes in the natural in ZvZ (like overgrowth), so you can wall against lings
I just go a lot of defensive banes and sortof amove them all around the place. Yeah, that's how you defend in Platinum, because they usually try fancy shit that doesn't work at all.
A nice simple trick is to put 1 bane in each mineral line to defend against lings and 2 on top of your ramp against banes. You barely have to micro those, the positioning is really strong on its own
That's really uncomfortable for a heavy F2 user like me I do that sometimes later with burrow, they don't run away when selected then ...
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
Yeah I have trouble with ling/bane wars too. That's why I love maps with small chokes in the natural in ZvZ (like overgrowth), so you can wall against lings
I just go a lot of defensive banes and sortof amove them all around the place. Yeah, that's how you defend in Platinum, because they usually try fancy shit that doesn't work at all.
A nice simple trick is to put 1 bane in each mineral line to defend against lings and 2 on top of your ramp against banes. You barely have to micro those, the positioning is really strong on its own
That's really uncomfortable for a heavy F2 user like me I do that sometimes later with burrow, they don't run away when selected then ...
Damn, i swear i got better at starcraft once i got a keyboard without F2 key.
On June 08 2017 21:16 Noonius wrote: 0/4 for two days, beat that
I am considering new ways to improve my LB winrate. So far I have found Czech, Polish, Euro, Australian, Swiss, Argentinean and Chilean coins, but the search for the optimal strategy continues.
Rogue was sooooo close Man this is just sad. I think that mistake in game4 broke him. He looked abysmal in the final game, not knowing what to do which tech to choose. God I hope Classic just shrecks this lucky kong
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
Yeah I have trouble with ling/bane wars too. That's why I love maps with small chokes in the natural in ZvZ (like overgrowth), so you can wall against lings
I just go a lot of defensive banes and sortof amove them all around the place. Yeah, that's how you defend in Platinum, because they usually try fancy shit that doesn't work at all.
A nice simple trick is to put 1 bane in each mineral line to defend against lings and 2 on top of your ramp against banes. You barely have to micro those, the positioning is really strong on its own
That's really uncomfortable for a heavy F2 user like me I do that sometimes later with burrow, they don't run away when selected then ...
Damn, i swear i got better at starcraft once i got a keyboard without F2 key.
I never got used to using F2 at all. I definitely think it does more harm than good unless you really know what you're doing
For regular GSL, soO either get eliminated before RO16 or he will secure a spot in the final. No one ever managed to stop soO before he lost in the final again.
I would mildly recommend Stats vs. Classic G3 which shows that mass Carrier isn't as great anymore and soO vs. Rogue G4 for the insane earlygame action which changed the whole series by a single ling.
On June 08 2017 21:50 DoubleRound wrote: For regular GSL, soO either get eliminated before RO16 or he will secure a spot in the final. No one ever managed to stop soO before he lost in the final again.
LOL. That is absolutely correct. It is like a part of his curse. He can't lose before Final if he makes out of group stage but then he has a hard time get #1 spot. I really hope this time he will make it. He is way way way too overdue for a GSL trophy.
The fun fact is Wardi tweeted after soO lost to Stats that "What will you do after you lost the GSL final for the fifth times" and Nerchio responded with "Make to the 6th one". That may be come true!
On June 08 2017 20:54 Durnuu wrote: This must be so stressful to play
I literally quit playing Random back in the day because I could just NOT do Ling/Bane wars.
I don't understand why Zerg is the most popular race in NA by such a huge margin, I can't understand why so many people are OK playing this kind of game but not Tank vs Tank wars. I just will never understand.
Yeah I have trouble with ling/bane wars too. That's why I love maps with small chokes in the natural in ZvZ (like overgrowth), so you can wall against lings
I just go a lot of defensive banes and sortof amove them all around the place. Yeah, that's how you defend in Platinum, because they usually try fancy shit that doesn't work at all.
A nice simple trick is to put 1 bane in each mineral line to defend against lings and 2 on top of your ramp against banes. You barely have to micro those, the positioning is really strong on its own
That's really uncomfortable for a heavy F2 user like me I do that sometimes later with burrow, they don't run away when selected then ...
Damn, i swear i got better at starcraft once i got a keyboard without F2 key.
I never got used to using F2 at all. I definitely think it does more harm than good unless you really know what you're doing
it's really helpful when parade-pushing as terran because you can select your reinforcements without looking away from the main army. Even a lot of pros use it in that scenario. but outside of that using f2 is generally a bad idea and is only done when the player is panicking.
On June 09 2017 02:11 opisska wrote: I would mildly recommend Stats vs. Classic G3 which shows that mass Carrier isn't as great anymore and soO vs. Rogue G4 for the insane earlygame action which changed the whole series by a single ling.
I'd say it's G4 is more of a "10 reasons why you shouldn't keep 74 probes when you're going for 200/200 maxed out armies"