herO's PvP looked solid yesterday, but the problem is he always look solid before getting rekt by sOs...I wish he can change his fate but I doubt. Is herO too good or Zest too bad? we'll see today.
Classic dropped two games against aLIve, whom he was clearly superior to. I don't see why he would be favored over Inno. Sure, he made Inno look like a scrub in SSL, but that was before the GSL finals, for which Inno obviously worked on his TvP. Classic was playing less than godlike yesterday, too.
Personally I think it'll be a close match either way, and yet some people are treating a Classic victory like a certainty. Baffling.
The most interesting factor in Classic vs Inno is their position outside the game:
1. Inno is guaranteed #2 in the standings (and therefore a Blizzcon spot) regardless of anything he does today. He is the reigning GSL champion. He is on record as stating he doesn't care about the Super Tournament (who can blame him?). And he is playing against his oldest friend, alongside whom he played BW for STX SouL in 2010.
2. Classic is fighting tooth and nail for the last Blizzcon spot. He has not won a tournament in over two years. He is on record as stating he really, really wants to go to Blizzcon (who can blame him?). The Super Tournament is his last chance to do so. And he is playing against his oldest friend, alongside whom he played BW for STX SouL in 2010.
This match means nothing to Inno. This match means everything to Classic. Under these circumstances, I don't think it is ridiculous to imagine Inno might just go easy on Classic.
On September 30 2017 08:07 Alarak89 wrote: herO's PvP looked solid yesterday, but the problem is he always look solid before getting rekt by sOs...I wish he can change his fate but I doubt. Is herO too good or Zest too bad? we'll see today.
herO's actual PvP form rarely affects his results against sOs. He's 1-5 against sOs in series. 0-4 in bo5+
On September 30 2017 08:46 pvsnp wrote:Under these circumstances, I don't think it is ridiculous to imagine Inno might just go easy on Classic.
On September 30 2017 08:07 Alarak89 wrote: herO's PvP looked solid yesterday, but the problem is he always look solid before getting rekt by sOs...I wish he can change his fate but I doubt. Is herO too good or Zest too bad? we'll see today.
herO's actual PvP form rarely affects his results against sOs. He's 1-5 against sOs in series. 0-4 in bo5+
On September 30 2017 08:46 pvsnp wrote:Under these circumstances, I don't think it is ridiculous to imagine Inno might just go easy on Classic.
Inno can go as easy on Classic but Rogue won't
I know their results, but like sOs already said in the interview many times, herO is a really good player though people always think he is weak because he constantly lose to sOs. If he didn't keep running into sOs before final, he could achieve more than now, maybe.
On September 30 2017 08:07 Alarak89 wrote: herO's PvP looked solid yesterday, but the problem is he always look solid before getting rekt by sOs...I wish he can change his fate but I doubt. Is herO too good or Zest too bad? we'll see today.
herO's actual PvP form rarely affects his results against sOs. He's 1-5 against sOs in series. 0-4 in bo5+
On September 30 2017 18:00 deacon.frost wrote: Why no vision on the left side of the base(top of the map), is this new meta to not see the drops coming or what?
More like: new meta is that Innovation pulls you apart and you have no idea whats going on anywhere on the map.
On September 30 2017 18:00 deacon.frost wrote: Why no vision on the left side of the base(top of the map), is this new meta to not see the drops coming or what?
More like: new meta is that Innovation pulls you apart and you have no idea whats going on anywhere on the map.
On September 30 2017 18:00 deacon.frost wrote: Why no vision on the left side of the base(top of the map), is this new meta to not see the drops coming or what?
More like: new meta is that Innovation pulls you apart and you have no idea whats going on anywhere on the map.
Bullshit. Not having vision even in the main to not see drops is a classic mistake(pun intended). If you cannot see it coming even foreigners can pick someone apart...
On September 30 2017 18:00 deacon.frost wrote: Why no vision on the left side of the base(top of the map), is this new meta to not see the drops coming or what?
More like: new meta is that Innovation pulls you apart and you have no idea whats going on anywhere on the map.
Bullshit. Not having vision even in the main to not see drops is a classic mistake(pun intended). If you cannot see it coming even foreigners can pick someone apart...
That was actually my point. You make mistakes because you are getting pulled apart.
On September 30 2017 18:00 deacon.frost wrote: Why no vision on the left side of the base(top of the map), is this new meta to not see the drops coming or what?
More like: new meta is that Innovation pulls you apart and you have no idea whats going on anywhere on the map.
Bullshit. Not having vision even in the main to not see drops is a classic mistake(pun intended). If you cannot see it coming even foreigners can pick someone apart...
That was actually my point. You make mistakes because you are getting pulled apart.
unless he hit f2 not having vision there has nothing to do with him getting pulled apart. You just send an observer there and leave it there.
I hate to say this, and I dont mean to be racists or anything, but korean males are either feminine-looking like bisu or sOs, or downright ugly like this guy...
On September 30 2017 18:09 Twinkle Toes wrote: I hate to say this, and I dont mean to be racists or anything, but korean males are either feminine-looking like bisu or sOs, or downright ugly like this guy...
What guy? soO is a sexy, manly korean male by the way.
On September 30 2017 18:00 deacon.frost wrote: Why no vision on the left side of the base(top of the map), is this new meta to not see the drops coming or what?
More like: new meta is that Innovation pulls you apart and you have no idea whats going on anywhere on the map.
Bullshit. Not having vision even in the main to not see drops is a classic mistake(pun intended). If you cannot see it coming even foreigners can pick someone apart...
That was actually my point. You make mistakes because you are getting pulled apart.
unless he hit f2 not having vision there has nothing to do with him getting pulled apart. You just send an observer there and leave it there.
Even having a pylon at the edge of the base would help. And that's an even more basic move than not F2ing
On September 30 2017 18:09 Twinkle Toes wrote: I hate to say this, and I dont mean to be racists or anything, but korean males are either feminine-looking like bisu or sOs, or downright ugly like this guy...
That is pretty racist man. Do you realise that our concepts of femininity and masculinity are predicated to some extent on how the people we see all the time look?
E: The same goes for beauty given that they're intimately related
On September 30 2017 18:09 Twinkle Toes wrote: I hate to say this, and I dont mean to be racists or anything, but korean males are either feminine-looking like bisu or sOs, or downright ugly like this guy...
What guy? soO is a sexy, manly korean male by the way.
Not soO. the chunky guy from the ad that looks like the mob boss in infernal affairs
On September 30 2017 18:09 Twinkle Toes wrote: I hate to say this, and I dont mean to be racists or anything, but korean males are either feminine-looking like bisu or sOs, or downright ugly like this guy...
On September 30 2017 18:19 Twinkle Toes wrote: blizzard really got the queen animation perfect. the body mechanics when they attack, the body wave when the drop tumors, and the transfuse shiver
On September 30 2017 18:58 Pursuit_ wrote: The key thing was when all the vipers got feedback'd. Feedback is just so powerful in this late game compositions...
I totally agree. Rogue had that spot where he was on top of all the carriers with neural and fungal, if he had a couple of parasitic bombs, I don't think that would have gone so wrong
That was godlike play from Dear. The zealot/DT runbys were absolutely critical in getting enough damage done, plus his feedbacks were on point and he brought back more ground forces at just the right time.
On September 30 2017 19:23 yht9657 wrote: The only way to counter SHs is to go out and kill the zerg before he gets any damage done... once the beasts are on the loose there is no hope.
Nah Dear just got outpositioned with the SH. He had 1 or 2 Chances to get them off creep.
On September 30 2017 07:14 Fango wrote: Classsic, Rogue, and sOs are ez picks. Dark vs soO is 50/50, soO is historically better but Dark played incredible last time they met
I thought the same ^^
How INno did ? I thought he was bad against PProtoss atm
On September 30 2017 07:14 Fango wrote: Classsic, Rogue, and sOs are ez picks. Dark vs soO is 50/50, soO is historically better but Dark played incredible last time they met
I thought the same ^^
How INno did ? I thought he was bad against PProtoss atm
INno is a destroyer. Cant really doubt him on the big stage. He won easily
On September 30 2017 19:23 yht9657 wrote: The only way to counter SHs is to go out and kill the zerg before he gets any damage done... once the beasts are on the loose there is no hope.
On September 30 2017 19:23 yht9657 wrote: The only way to counter SHs is to go out and kill the zerg before he gets any damage done... once the beasts are on the loose there is no hope.
So, like mass Carriers?
One can't go mass carriers when all his nexi are gone.
On September 30 2017 07:14 Fango wrote: Classsic, Rogue, and sOs are ez picks. Dark vs soO is 50/50, soO is historically better but Dark played incredible last time they met
I thought the same ^^
How INno did ? I thought he was bad against PProtoss atm
INno is a destroyer. Cant really doubt him on the big stage. He won easily
He crushed the foreign hope then Classic's hope to Blizzcon. Time to end Rogue's dreams.
On September 30 2017 07:14 Fango wrote: Classsic, Rogue, and sOs are ez picks. Dark vs soO is 50/50, soO is historically better but Dark played incredible last time they met
I thought the same ^^
How INno did ? I thought he was bad against PProtoss atm
INno is a destroyer. Cant really doubt him on the big stage. He won easily
He crushed the foreign hope then Classic's hope to Blizzcon. Time to end Rogue's dreams.
There is no need for that, or do you think herO is gonna beat sOs?
On September 30 2017 07:14 Fango wrote: Classsic, Rogue, and sOs are ez picks. Dark vs soO is 50/50, soO is historically better but Dark played incredible last time they met
I thought the same ^^
How INno did ? I thought he was bad against PProtoss atm
INno is a destroyer. Cant really doubt him on the big stage. He won easily
He crushed the foreign hope then Classic's hope to Blizzcon. Time to end Rogue's dreams.
There is no need for that, or do you think herO is gonna beat sOs?
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
Next time try to pay more attention to GSL and be more efficient in that tournament, otherwise blame yourself because that's how Korean region score system works.
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
That's what you get for sucking most of the year
they both did that
and here I thought sOs got a Ro4 in GSL S1, what a fool I was
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
That's what you get for sucking most of the year
they both did that
sOs' somehow got a Code S ro4 in the period where he sucked though
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
That's what you get for sucking most of the year
So going to Blizzcon or not going to Blizzcon, which one are you referring to?
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
That's what you get for sucking most of the year
they both did that
and here I thought sOs got a Ro4 in GSL S1, what a fool I was
On September 30 2017 19:35 sashkata wrote: I hope sOs loses. It's so unfortunate for Rogue that sOs is on the other side of the bracket.
They will meet in the finals.
At that point sOs has already qualified for Blizzcon. He needs to lose this match for Rogue to have a chance.
I know. I hope, sOs gets to BlizzCon. But Rogue wins this tournament.
In that scenario Rogue must be so frustrated, winning 2 premier tournaments in a year and still not going to Blizzcon while the one who took his spot has won none.
That's what you get for sucking most of the year
they both did that
and here I thought sOs got a Ro4 in GSL S1, what a fool I was
he still sucked most of the year
Yes, he sucked for the whole year and now, he will win BlizzCon. Typical sOs.
Artosis has 2 laughs. 1 is like a deliberate fakey paced laugh that he does when he is really happy. The other is like a sponge bobesque laugh that he uses when surprised. He is such a nice pleasant caster.
On September 30 2017 21:07 IcemanAsi wrote: If Rogue beats Innovation he's in, regardless of what he gets in the final. That's one big machine god "if" thou.
No, he needs to win the tournament. Second place is not enough.
On September 30 2017 21:07 IcemanAsi wrote: If Rogue beats Innovation he's in, regardless of what he gets in the final. That's one big machine god "if" thou.
you mean "in" as in actually safe for blizzcon or "in" as in he'd beat whoever comes from the other bracket anyway so He's figuratively safe? cause he still lacks some point whith 2nd place
On September 30 2017 21:11 romson87 wrote: Gz sOs you just made it more difficult to get to blizzcon and made yourself look even more clueless than normal.
On September 30 2017 21:11 romson87 wrote: Gz sOs you just made it more difficult to get to blizzcon and made yourself look even more clueless than normal.
On September 30 2017 21:11 romson87 wrote: Gz sOs you just made it more difficult to get to blizzcon and made yourself look even more clueless than normal.
Isn't it typical sOs you know?
"more than normal" is the key here
Apparently he did not prepare and practice any specific PvP build like herO because the compactness of his recent matches, so I won't worry too much for him as long as Bogus does his job.