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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Poll: Who Advances?Classic & Dear (21) 28% GuMiho & Classic (19) 25% Maru & Classic (17) 23% Dear & GuMiho (7) 9% Maru & GuMiho (6) 8% Dear & Maru (5) 7% 75 total votes Your vote: Who Advances? (Vote): Classic & Dear (Vote): Maru & GuMiho (Vote): Dear & Maru (Vote): GuMiho & Classic (Vote): Dear & GuMiho (Vote): Maru & Classic
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Hoping to see Maru back in form, however I don't believe he can show us the form we was in when we was winning SSL in 2015 or his 3rd/4th finish grom GSL 2017 season 2.
Therefor I am going with Classic first and Gumiho second if Maru loses to Dear. Else I think it will be Classic and Dear.
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Classic and Dear have this (unless Dear chokes ofc). If any lone terran were to make the ro8 it would be Maru but I don't see it happening.
Gumiho doesn't stand much chance, his TvP really isn't that good. His TvT is usually what carries him. And it's unlikely he faces Maru in a qualifying match .
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France12466 Posts
Maru and Classic hopefully
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Classic 1st. Dear is a favourite to go 2nd however he falters often enough so there is possibility it's gonna be someone else advancing. Between GumiHo and Maru first one feels favourite in TvT. So matchups: Classic 2:1 GumiHo Dear 2:0 Maru Classic 2:0 Dear GumiHo 2:1 Maru GumiHo 2:1 Dear
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I'll make a sig bet with anyone that Maru gets out of this group.
Ready for him to smash faces, expecting classic and maru to get out.
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On February 20 2018 19:00 Fango wrote: If any lone terran were to make the ro8 it would be Maru
Would it??? WOULD IT?????
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On February 21 2018 10:22 nick00bot wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2018 19:00 Fango wrote: If any lone terran were to make the ro8 it would be Maru
Would it??? WOULD IT?????
He's only been the lone terran in a GSL ro8 three times already, so why not a fourth?
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gumi out first gumi out second
ALL THE REST ARE LOSERS
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5 TvPs, that would be a good preparation for the next group
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I want to believe, but terrans will get slaughtered today.
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Gogo Classic/Gumi. Or Classic/Dear, i don't care either way
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5 protoss ro8 = easy for soO.
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My head says Classic/Dear but my heart says Maru/Gumiho
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Not expecting it, but C'MON GUMIHOOOO000 >o<;
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Grup selection is so fun to watch subbed
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Gumiho confirmed first sc2 bonjwa by Artosis
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He's doing the build that Supernova has been using. There's going to be battlecruisers in this game. Calling it now.
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YES! I had a feeling Gumi would do this ^^
had to be hiding something cool if he selected Classic of all people.
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
I've heard about immortal being good unit though
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I was hoping for something kinda fresh from terran (mainly hoping for ravens). I guess mech fits the bill though I still have no confidence whatsoever in it.
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On February 21 2018 18:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I was hoping for something kinda fresh from terran (mainly hoping for ravens). I guess mech fits the bill though I still have no confidence whatsoever in it. Can still go ravens tho, it's not like you can go straight into ravens anyway
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On February 21 2018 18:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I was hoping for something kinda fresh from terran (mainly hoping for ravens). I guess mech fits the bill though I still have no confidence whatsoever in it. The question is how fast can Gumi hit. If he waits long enough Carrier will arrive.
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Hope Classic and Dear make it out. I think this might work out on this map for Gumi though.
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On February 21 2018 18:47 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 18:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I was hoping for something kinda fresh from terran (mainly hoping for ravens). I guess mech fits the bill though I still have no confidence whatsoever in it. The question is how fast can Gumi hit. If he waits long enough Carrier will arrive.
You can actually beat carriers with mass anti-armor missile. The no delay on the shot making micro less meaningful is really dumb.
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21 stalkers, that’s a guaranteed loss lol
I guess he was hoping for a viking transition? But that still doesn’t make sense...
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Australia18228 Posts
anti armor+ cyclone is disgusting
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oh my. Anti-Armor Missile + cyclone = TERRRRRRRRRRRAN!
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Wtf Classic. Why would you blink in there?!? Cyclones have infinite dps with the anti-armor debuff...
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On February 21 2018 18:49 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 18:47 deacon.frost wrote:On February 21 2018 18:46 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I was hoping for something kinda fresh from terran (mainly hoping for ravens). I guess mech fits the bill though I still have no confidence whatsoever in it. The question is how fast can Gumi hit. If he waits long enough Carrier will arrive. You can actually beat carriers with mass anti-armor missile. The no delay on the shot making micro less meaningful is really dumb. It doesn't matter, for some reason Classic didn't go into air. Also didn't go into Robo. WTF
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Lol. +2 cyclones against no armor.
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I think Classic might have the most losses vs mech out of any protoss. He lost to Bbyong's mech in SPL, to TY's BC in SSL (I think? it was on Newkirk, I remember that much), and now Gumiho :D
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Classic got outsmarted, but lets see if gumi can surprise again
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Classic should've committed to Skytoss. Was too tentative.
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Gets scouted building carriers => cancels carriers => goes full stalkers/archon with few immortals.
Yeah that'll do the job vs mass cyclone/tanks.
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Wow we are BW now? Mech TvP xD
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On February 21 2018 18:52 Kommander wrote: Classic should've committed to Skytoss. Was too tentative. To anything. Storm as the units are clumped and you can be mobile with the prism. Robo, air. Anything. But he spent the time on blink and blinked into the worst position imaginable.
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This is some grade A cheddar.
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On February 21 2018 18:55 Vindicare605 wrote: This is some grade A cheddar.
Not even cheese, just early game pressure.
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Focus the damn medivac holy shit classic please
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Cyclones are such silly units to watch
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Surprised that GuMiho came this close to breaking Classic after he lost the game to the first zealot and stalker.
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Why are Gumiho games so damn entertaining? rofl.
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Classic looks a bit TILTED
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i usually watch the VODs and i don't watch live. SC2 is in a great spot right now. Protoss should be a tad less air centric and other than that SC2 is in a really good spot with alll 3 mirror matches being interesting.
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Very well handled by Classic.
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Classic making so many minor control mistakes today
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Pretty nice hold, Gumi should just die to +2 armor attack now
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Classic looks as solid as a rock, as game in 1
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Very solid game 3 from Classic
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Alright nice, Classic looks alright enough to advance - hope Dear does as well.
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Shame Gumi lost after such nice first two games.
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I don't want 5 protoss quarterfinal.
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If there is a hell, it will probably just be playing Terran vs Protoss during this current patch for eternity. It's always been P favored since release, but now it's just dementedly imbalanced. Terran has no way to harass or timing attack protoss and if he does any pressure at all it's pretty much an allin even if SCV's aren't pulled. It's hopeless
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Man this music is great haha.
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Lorning
Belgica34430 Posts
Go Maru
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On February 21 2018 19:17 Meiya wrote: Man this music is great haha.
can I get an ID on that electro-disco remix? the one playing right as the break started
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On February 21 2018 19:14 YourFavoriteTerran wrote: If there is a hell, it will probably just be playing Terran vs Protoss during this current patch for eternity. It's always been P favored since release, but now it's just dementedly imbalanced. Terran has no way to harass or timing attack protoss and if he does any pressure at all it's pretty much an allin even if SCV's aren't pulled. It's hopeless It's fu@@ing sad... 6 protoss in Ro8 Katowice qualifier. Srlsly Blizzard needs to test more changes. Stalkers and shield batteries are too good at defending anything Terran.
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Maru vs Dear is usually great, should be fun
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Terrans players just need time to adapt. It's not like TvP is at 40% like PvT was at some point in 2017
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Go Maru!
On February 21 2018 19:18 SHODAN wrote:can I get an ID on that electro-disco remix? the one playing right as the break started
Agh it was a well known song remixed but I forget what it was. If that ad break is on the video uploaded to YouTube, you can just Shazam it.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Mmmmm BBQ in the morning :D
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Dear what are you doing lol
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Mmmm love the 32 probe-kill timing attack.
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Woop woop! Good job Maru!
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Maru's hellions having bbq in Dear's base.
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On February 21 2018 19:26 Pandemona wrote: Mmmmm BBQ in the morning :D
False. You cannot BBQ a probe. A probe is a robot. Robots cannot be BBQ'd.
God. Jeez.
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Dear looked like a diamond Toss losing to that lol.
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I missed the start and Dear already lost, I'm guessing he derped?
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On February 21 2018 19:28 Penev wrote: I missed the start and Dear already lost, I'm guessing he derped? Just didn't scout Maru going double cyclone and got killed for it
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one may say he Dearped...
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On February 21 2018 19:27 Vindicare605 wrote:False. You cannot BBQ a probe. A probe is a robot. Robots cannot be BBQ'd. God. Jeez.
Robots get fried all the time, so why not BBQed? Culinary science hasn't gone far enough yet.
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Tastosis is just not funny
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I'd be mildly surprised if Dear doesn't go phoenix/adept in any macro PvT he plays.
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On February 21 2018 19:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'd be mildly surprised if Dear doesn't go phoenix/adept in any macro PvT he plays. He could go phoenix/zealot like Trap!
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Honestly if no Terrans get out of this group I am going to have a total whinge.
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Hmmm what? How on earth xd
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Classic is so much better toss than Dear, so no worries
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hahahahahahahaha Tasteless didn't say it, but we all knew what that was.
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Aaaaand this is why Chargelot/Phoenix > Adept/Phoenix
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Damn, Dear not looking good.. he looked a lot better recently :/
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Australia18228 Posts
Reverse patch Terran strikes again
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
How does a protoss player lose when he has been on 3 base pre stim up for Terran on 2 base? What on earth how did this happen.
Oh well, MARU FIGHTING!
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shit, this probably means no post from My Favorite Terran Whiner
:/
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seems like having units beats having no units
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On February 21 2018 19:38 Vindicare605 wrote: hahahahahahahaha Tasteless didn't say it, but we all knew what that was.
InControl pylon?
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On February 21 2018 19:38 Kommander wrote: Aaaaand this is why Chargelot/Phoenix > Adept/Phoenix
Nah, chargelot/phoenix wouldn't have been too great there either. Just get the colossi faster.
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Austria24413 Posts
On February 21 2018 19:38 Kommander wrote: Aaaaand this is why Chargelot/Phoenix > Adept/Phoenix
Zest was ahead of his time by about a year
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On February 21 2018 19:38 Pandemona wrote: How does a protoss player lose when he has been on 3 base pre stim up for Terran on 2 base? What on earth how did this happen.
Oh well, MARU FIGHTING! Because Dear transitioned out of phoenix/adept too late.
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France12466 Posts
Maru outclassing Dear Maru Classic for 1st and 2nd pls
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
On February 21 2018 19:40 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:38 Pandemona wrote: How does a protoss player lose when he has been on 3 base pre stim up for Terran on 2 base? What on earth how did this happen.
Oh well, MARU FIGHTING! Because Dear transitioned out of phoenix/adept too late. Yeah his macro must have been off? / Thought he was miles ahead? Couple of Colli there and he better? One died right at the end. Wow Dear i expected better!
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On February 21 2018 19:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:38 Kommander wrote: Aaaaand this is why Chargelot/Phoenix > Adept/Phoenix Nah, chargelot/phoenix wouldn't have been too great there either. Just get the colossi faster.
+1/+2 armor chargelots scale MUCH better than adepts. Adepts become really useless once terran has a big bio ball with widow mines.
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On February 21 2018 19:38 Penev wrote: shit, this probably means no post from My Favorite Terran Whiner
:/ Happy for Maru
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On February 21 2018 19:38 Penev wrote: shit, this probably means no post from My Favorite Terran Whiner
:/
GumBa has not posted in ages anyway
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On February 21 2018 19:41 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 21 2018 19:38 Kommander wrote: Aaaaand this is why Chargelot/Phoenix > Adept/Phoenix Nah, chargelot/phoenix wouldn't have been too great there either. Just get the colossi faster. +1/+2 armor chargelots scale MUCH better than adepts. Adepts become really useless once terran has a big bio ball with widow mines.
Admittedly, but they still aren't all you want against sufficient numbers of mines and marauders. Whereas colossi would evaporate all the marines within seconds handily winning the fight.
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On February 21 2018 19:42 ByuuN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:38 Penev wrote: shit, this probably means no post from My Favorite Terran Whiner
:/ Happy for Maru looks like a terran is getting out of this group at least
I wasn't talking about you btw (:
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On February 21 2018 19:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:41 Kommander wrote:On February 21 2018 19:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 21 2018 19:38 Kommander wrote: Aaaaand this is why Chargelot/Phoenix > Adept/Phoenix Nah, chargelot/phoenix wouldn't have been too great there either. Just get the colossi faster. +1/+2 armor chargelots scale MUCH better than adepts. Adepts become really useless once terran has a big bio ball with widow mines. Admittedly, but they still aren't all you want against sufficient numbers of mines and marauders. Whereas colossi would evaporate all the marines within seconds handily winning the fight.
Yeah, I didn't say to not get colossi, I meant that Dear would've been better off with Chargelots from the start instead of massing Adepts.
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On February 21 2018 19:45 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:44 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 21 2018 19:41 Kommander wrote:On February 21 2018 19:39 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On February 21 2018 19:38 Kommander wrote: Aaaaand this is why Chargelot/Phoenix > Adept/Phoenix Nah, chargelot/phoenix wouldn't have been too great there either. Just get the colossi faster. +1/+2 armor chargelots scale MUCH better than adepts. Adepts become really useless once terran has a big bio ball with widow mines. Admittedly, but they still aren't all you want against sufficient numbers of mines and marauders. Whereas colossi would evaporate all the marines within seconds handily winning the fight. Yeah, I didn't say to not get colossi, I meant that Dear would've been better off with Chargelots from the start instead of massing Adepts.
It's a tradeoff. The earlier fight would've been a bit more complicated to maneuver with chargelots rather than adepts.
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Wheres my DT plays 'toss! Daily channeling of InCa needs to happen
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What Tastosis says sounds off today. Everything they're doing is completely meta.
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That flank was beautiful.
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Classic delayed that beautifully.
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Haha that was an ultra slow "choo choo all in" push from Maru, way to passive. Was nice flank by Classic but it was still slow play from Maru
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Wow Classic. And now the DTs.
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On February 21 2018 19:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What Tastosis says sounds off today. Everything they're doing is completely meta.
I can't speak for Tasteless, but Artosis is basically playing purely BW nowadays.
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Very well done despite forgetting charge, Classic is so good. Maru should have tried pushing more agressively when he saw no charge
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On February 21 2018 19:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What Tastosis says sounds off today. Everything they're doing is completely meta.
To be fair, the meta has been shifting pretty rapidly over the last couple of weeks.
I've been following a lot more lately since I've had more time and I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of the shifts in every match up.
the only two that seem like they are still kind of the same is PvP and ZvZ.
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Yeah, that hold was on point.
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It's kinda odd that Maru went for the two base when he got destroyed in a very similar way by Classic (though Classic didn't forget charge then, and opened greedier) on this map at WESG.
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On February 21 2018 19:58 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What Tastosis says sounds off today. Everything they're doing is completely meta. To be fair, the meta has been shifting pretty rapidly over the last couple of weeks. I've been following a lot more lately since I've had more time and I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of the shifts in every match up. the only two that seem like they are still kind of the same is PvP and ZvZ. What shifts have you seen in PvZ? PvP seems to be shifting more than vZ
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maru couldnt engage before cause the fear of the forcefields, I dont think he was too passive on purpose. But anyways, with chargelots being this good i dont understand why trying those kind of pushes, they always fail
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On February 21 2018 19:59 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 21 2018 19:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What Tastosis says sounds off today. Everything they're doing is completely meta. To be fair, the meta has been shifting pretty rapidly over the last couple of weeks. I've been following a lot more lately since I've had more time and I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of the shifts in every match up. the only two that seem like they are still kind of the same is PvP and ZvZ. What shifts have you seen in PvZ? PvP seems to be shifting more than vZ
I mean post patch hydra timings are almost entirely gone, and the lurker transitions which were already fairly common pre-patch are almost omnipresent now. These were very logical developments, but they are still developments.
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Australia18228 Posts
Classic sure knows how to maximise Terran salt
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
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On February 21 2018 20:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:59 Fyzar wrote:On February 21 2018 19:58 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 21 2018 19:56 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What Tastosis says sounds off today. Everything they're doing is completely meta. To be fair, the meta has been shifting pretty rapidly over the last couple of weeks. I've been following a lot more lately since I've had more time and I'm having a hard time keeping up with all of the shifts in every match up. the only two that seem like they are still kind of the same is PvP and ZvZ. What shifts have you seen in PvZ? PvP seems to be shifting more than vZ I mean post patch hydra timings are almost entirely gone, and the lurker transitions which were already fairly common pre-patch are almost omnipresent now. These were very logical developments, but they are still developments. Ah like that, okay. Yeah I guess that I was using post-patch as the baseline instead of pre-patch like you guys .
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The ghost of MVPGenius is smiling.
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Yet Another Protoss Bullshit lol
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Australia18228 Posts
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Now we only need Gumigod to stomp everyone left
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Think every Terran just veto'd that map on ladder rofl
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On February 21 2018 20:00 Argonauta wrote: maru couldnt engage before cause the fear of the forcefields, I dont think he was too passive on purpose. But anyways, with chargelots being this good i dont understand why trying those kind of pushes, they always fail
Beating Protoss in a macro TvP is quite tough due to upgrades and the new colossus. The stalker nerf only fixed the early-mid game.
And the meme build wins again.
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Classic balls of steel build.
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Protoss Bullshit, I love it.
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Expect to see it every game on ladder today
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Well played by Classic, terran should have played better......................................................................
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Australia18228 Posts
Classic really wants to send soO to another finals
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Has won against maru again...
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On February 21 2018 20:04 Durnuu wrote: Now we only need Gumigod to stomp everyone left I approve of this message even tho I bet Derp
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Oh well. At least we might get a TvT tonight.
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I've done this build on Neon Violet a few times on ladder, but it sometimes gets scouted and you just lose. I kinda prefer proxying the stargate near the gold so that I can expand there and go into tempests. It doesn't kill the Terran outright as often, but the transition is fun.
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Dang, Terran vs Protoss has NEVER been in such a bad spot, balance wise and from a spectator point of view. This is almost unreal. If there is a hell, it will consist of mostly playing Terran vs Protoss. The only time I see a Terran win is when the Protoss thinks he can end a game he is behind in (Because the matchup is so easy to win) but they get behind further.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On February 21 2018 19:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's kinda odd that Maru went for the two base when he got destroyed in a very similar way by Classic (though Classic didn't forget charge then, and opened greedier) on this map at WESG.
I think this is very Maru though, definitely not looking for the late game. Especially when he feels the matchup is unfavourable. He just tries to see if he can overwhelm the Toss with the good ol' parade push.
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On February 21 2018 20:06 YourFavoriteTerran wrote: Dang, Terran vs Protoss has NEVER been in such a bad spot, balance wise and from a spectator point of view. This is almost unreal. If there is a hell, it will consist of mostly playing Terran vs Protoss. The only time I see a Terran win is when the Protoss thinks he can end a game he is behind in (Because the matchup is so easy to win) but they get behind further. And here he is!
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
On February 21 2018 20:05 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:04 Durnuu wrote: Now we only need Gumigod to stomp everyone left I approve of this message even tho I bet Derp I would favour GuMiho over Maru in a TvT though so if he navigates past Dear i put him as favorite to take second place due to Maru TvT is a bit...how to say bad TT
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On February 21 2018 20:06 sneakyfox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 19:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's kinda odd that Maru went for the two base when he got destroyed in a very similar way by Classic (though Classic didn't forget charge then, and opened greedier) on this map at WESG. I think this is very Maru though, definitely not looking for the late game. Especially when he feels the matchup is unfavourable. He just tries to see if he can overwhelm the Toss with the good ol' parade push.
I was hoping that he'd go for a different all-in instead due to how hard he got shut down back then, but Maru can be very obstinate.
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Dark vs Classic grand finals confirmed
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I’m still sad about that Group D, like all those players .
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Group D will be a PvP bloodbath. Gonna be glorious.
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On February 21 2018 20:09 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:06 sneakyfox wrote:On February 21 2018 19:59 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It's kinda odd that Maru went for the two base when he got destroyed in a very similar way by Classic (though Classic didn't forget charge then, and opened greedier) on this map at WESG. I think this is very Maru though, definitely not looking for the late game. Especially when he feels the matchup is unfavourable. He just tries to see if he can overwhelm the Toss with the good ol' parade push. I was hoping that he'd go for a different all-in instead due to how hard he got shut down back then, but Maru can be very obstinate.
Yeah. Maru is kinda like the starcraft version of a adolescent male goat. Will just keep slamming his head into the wall until one of them breaks.
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On February 21 2018 20:11 Fyzar wrote:I’m still sad about that Group D, like all those players .
That's just how Code S is these days. There's so many elite players that are constantly in it now, that some group is always eliminating someone great.
I mean just look at who is already out this season. TY, Innovation, Byun (3 of the Terran horsemen) Rogue, Leenock, aLive, LosirA, jjajki, Keen, Hurricane (old school veterans) Byul and Solar.
Every match is bittersweet.
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On February 21 2018 20:09 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:05 Penev wrote:On February 21 2018 20:04 Durnuu wrote: Now we only need Gumigod to stomp everyone left I approve of this message even tho I bet Derp I would favour GuMiho over Maru in a TvT though so if he navigates past Dear i put him as favorite to take second place due to Maru TvT is a bit...how to say bad TT and Dear looked weak in his first match, it's looking good for Gumiho (and Noonius)
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On February 21 2018 20:14 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:11 Fyzar wrote:I’m still sad about that Group D, like all those players . That's just how Code S is these days. There's so many elite players that are constantly in it now, that some group is always eliminating someone great. I mean just look at who is already out this season. TY, Innovation, Byun (3 of the Terran horsemen) Rogue, Leenock, aLive, LosirA, jjajki, Keen, Hurricane (old school veterans) Byul and Solar. Every match is bittersweet. Yeah that’s true. Just a big fan of herO, Stats and especially sOs personally. And even Trap looked really solid in the previous round so I was curious to see if he could keep it up. But hey, at least we get a killer PvP group.
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They said in the broadcast that tomorrow's group is at 9 pm their time, that doesn't seem to agree with TL calendar.
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On February 21 2018 20:20 opisska wrote: They said in the broadcast that tomorrow's group is at 9 pm their time, that doesn't seem to agree with TL calendar. I’m pretty sure they changed the time in the calendar today, cause when I looked yesterday it did say it would be a couple hours later than the usual time.
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come on dear. no terran in ro8 the dream is real !
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Much better game from Dear, this brings back a bit of hope.
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On February 21 2018 20:27 Fyzar wrote: Much better game from Dear, this brings back a bit of hope. Lol just kidding
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Cyclones are Dear's kryptonite, apparently.
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Dear is so good with us, he don't want a ro8 without a single Terran
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There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them.
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Stalker was feeling nostalgic for his days as a Dragoon.
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Gumiho widowmine micro lol
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On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Dear looks like shit today, but you haven’t seen Gumi’s TvT today so don’t be so sure .
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Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD
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Dear deserves to lose 1000 times. Why would you even try to hide those stargates there instead of in the back? Massive risk for tiny reward.
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Looks like we're getting a Terran in the ro8 :O
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Dear is so disappointing today man, he was playing so well recently but this is just... meh
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Observer didn't catch it but Gumi flew a liberator towards Dear's main, the liberator saw the proxy stargates on the way. Was looking at the minimap.
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Gotta give it to them, this has been a fun game.
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On February 21 2018 20:45 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD
Christ well I really just don't want Gumi to be the lone T representative in the Ro8 because at this rate he will be demolished immediately.
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On February 21 2018 20:48 Meiya wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:45 Pandemona wrote:On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD Christ well I really just don't want Gumi to be the lone T representative in the Ro8 because at this rate he will be demolished immediately. Because Maru won't?
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All sorts of horrible here.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
On February 21 2018 20:49 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:48 Meiya wrote:On February 21 2018 20:45 Pandemona wrote:On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD Christ well I really just don't want Gumi to be the lone T representative in the Ro8 because at this rate he will be demolished immediately. Because Maru won't? Well whoever wins gets a TvP maybe Maru can find some sort of cheese that isn't a 40 minute mech game like GuMiho would do xD
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On February 21 2018 20:49 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:48 Meiya wrote:On February 21 2018 20:45 Pandemona wrote:On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD Christ well I really just don't want Gumi to be the lone T representative in the Ro8 because at this rate he will be demolished immediately. Because Maru won't?
Well Maru has played better overall wouldn't you say, and Gumi has mainly found success with an interesting mech build that nobody will be surprised by in the next round, or am I wrong?
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Now lets see if Maru has is TvT fixed, one Terran to the ro8 so thats good
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if Gumi loses this, I'm 0/2. This is unacceptable
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On February 21 2018 20:48 Meiya wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:45 Pandemona wrote:On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD Christ well I really just don't want Gumi to be the lone T representative in the Ro8 because at this rate he will be demolished immediately.
You can't judge Gumiho based on how he looks in previous groups. Gumiho's games are ALWAYS chaotic. He loses to worse players. beats better players, base trades, uses weird rushes that shouldnt work but do, gets bopped by rushes that should never work.
He's chaos. He can win the whole tournament or he can lose to 2 proxy reaper builds in the next series. Anything is possible with him.
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All races in Ro8, game is balanced, whine can stop
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On February 21 2018 20:51 Meiya wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:49 Durnuu wrote:On February 21 2018 20:48 Meiya wrote:On February 21 2018 20:45 Pandemona wrote:On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD Christ well I really just don't want Gumi to be the lone T representative in the Ro8 because at this rate he will be demolished immediately. Because Maru won't? Well Maru has played better overall wouldn't you say, and Gumi has mainly found success with an interesting mech build that nobody will be surprised by in the next round, or am I wrong? I wouldn't say Maru played better, no. GuMiho actually put up a fight against Classic. As for their matches against Dear, I feel like it was mostly Dear playing terribly in the first series more than anything else. Maru in general is just very predictable and it's gonna bite him in the ass if he gets to the ro8.
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On February 21 2018 20:46 Kommander wrote: Observer didn't catch it but Gumi flew a liberator towards Dear's main, the liberator saw the proxy stargates on the way. Was looking at the minimap.
Also the fact he was upgrading air weapons on the cybercore which Gumi scanned yet he had no stargates in his bases...
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On February 21 2018 20:51 Meiya wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 20:49 Durnuu wrote:On February 21 2018 20:48 Meiya wrote:On February 21 2018 20:45 Pandemona wrote:On February 21 2018 20:40 Meiya wrote: There is no way that whoever wins this, Maru doesn't crush them. Maru TvT though, guy just way to aggressive and GuMiho is the defensive brick wall kinda guy that if you try to push into you lose xD Christ well I really just don't want Gumi to be the lone T representative in the Ro8 because at this rate he will be demolished immediately. Because Maru won't? Well Maru has played better overall wouldn't you say, and Gumi has mainly found success with an interesting mech build that nobody will be surprised by in the next round, or am I wrong? What has Maru done better? He beat Dear who has been superdisappointing in about the same way that Gumi did, and looked just as bad (if not worse) vs Classic :p. Don’t think either has looked impressive, just not as bad as Dear today :D
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sweet, at least this guarantees a Terran for the Ro8
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RIP maru. All he does is get build order losses in TvT recently
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On February 21 2018 20:51 Noonius wrote: if Gumi loses this, I'm 0/2. This is unacceptable
it would be worse than just the 0/2 bets even, wouldn't it?
:D
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Australia18228 Posts
This is a sign, bring back tankivacs
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Dueling medivac micro lol.
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Wait is Maru parade pushing? Shock
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Marine Tank TvT???? What is this, 2012?
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This game.... this is why we sohudl get rid of TvT ciclones, this is so much more beautiful
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beautiful game.
the upgrades really won this one for maru
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Poll: Who do you want in Ro8?Maru (13) 62% Gumiho (8) 38% 21 total votes Your vote: Who do you want in Ro8? (Vote): Maru (Vote): Gumiho
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some pretty good micro that game, almost byun level
:D
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On February 21 2018 21:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Poll: Who do you want in Ro8?Maru (13) 62% Gumiho (8) 38% 21 total votes Your vote: Who do you want in Ro8? (Vote): Maru (Vote): Gumiho
Can I vote for Innovation qq?
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On February 21 2018 21:20 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Poll: Who do you want in Ro8?Maru (13) 62% Gumiho (8) 38% 21 total votes Your vote: Who do you want in Ro8? (Vote): Maru (Vote): Gumiho
Can I vote for Innovation qq?
He lost to a foreigner in GSL. He's in jail.
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On February 21 2018 21:21 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:20 Fyzar wrote:On February 21 2018 21:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Poll: Who do you want in Ro8?Maru (13) 62% Gumiho (8) 38% 21 total votes Your vote: Who do you want in Ro8? (Vote): Maru (Vote): Gumiho
Can I vote for Innovation qq? He lost to a foreigner in GSL. He's in jail. In jail ? he might have gotten deported even
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On February 21 2018 21:22 Durnuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:21 Vindicare605 wrote:On February 21 2018 21:20 Fyzar wrote:On February 21 2018 21:16 Vindicare605 wrote:Poll: Who do you want in Ro8?Maru (13) 62% Gumiho (8) 38% 21 total votes Your vote: Who do you want in Ro8? (Vote): Maru (Vote): Gumiho
Can I vote for Innovation qq? He lost to a foreigner in GSL. He's in jail. In jail ? he might have gotten deported even
Deport him to me, I wanna have him as a pet to cuddle
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goddamnit Tastetosis is making me giggle like a fucking idiot at 4:30 in the morning.
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someone call estonian suicide watch
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Australia18228 Posts
GuMiho has the weirdest games
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The supply tho gumiho
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This game's sudden turn for the chaotic and scrappy favors Gumiho. He thrives in this environment.
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On February 21 2018 21:26 Durnuu wrote:The supply tho gumiho
but 1 EXTRA MULE tho
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Another top game from these two.
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pretty amazing comeback by gumiho
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Are they gonna basetrade again lmao
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will the upgrades save the day again?
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Gumiho has more tech units but Maru has 2/2. Can go either way at this point lol
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Australia18228 Posts
Marus going for the final CC snipe
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if he gets the vikings this could actually come down to a tie.
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I think Maru got this, 2/2 to strong
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NO GUMI! He let the CC get away ;;
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Durn vs Luolis, but will Gumi gg out in the same way
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wtf Gumiho, the end
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
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is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport?
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Poll: Game of the year? (so far)Yes! (8) 40% NO! (7) 35% Maybe! (5) 25% 20 total votes Your vote: Game of the year? (so far) (Vote): Yes! (Vote): NO! (Vote): Maybe!
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Lol GuMiHo. Played so well and then end it with that move.
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On February 21 2018 21:33 Paljas wrote: is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport? In fact, he only needed the CC because Maru didn't have enough minerals in the bank for a viking anyway (but he couldn't know that). So yes, it would have been a tie.
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I think Gumiho shouldve won that? With the vikings and the tanks he shouldve killed the CC.
Sick game though, that was very fun.
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On February 21 2018 21:33 Paljas wrote: is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport?
At a minimum, but I think he could've turn that into a win with the tanks and vikings
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On February 21 2018 21:33 Paljas wrote: is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport?
Of course, you get buildings on both sides and no way to kill them.
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On February 21 2018 21:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:33 Paljas wrote: is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport? At a minimum, but I think he could've turn that into a win with the tanks and vikings dont think so, maru had to many marines with 2/2. he could at least suicide for the vikings and force a tie himself
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I finally get a liquibet right
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On February 21 2018 21:34 IcemanAsi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:33 Paljas wrote: is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport? Of course, you get buildings on both sides and no way to kill them. I wasnt sure if the map had deadspace to park buildings, but it probably has them
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On February 21 2018 21:35 Paljas wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 21 2018 21:33 Paljas wrote: is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport? At a minimum, but I think he could've turn that into a win with the tanks and vikings dont think so, maru had to many marines with 2/2. he could at least suicide for the vikings and force a tie himself Gumi had like 6 tanks left, I don’t think he can suicide in for vikings and have enough left over. I think if played perfectly Gumi should eventually win there.
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Now I hope that sOs advances second. I don't want a team kill in Ro8.
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Australia18228 Posts
They finally fixed the bracket graphics
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On February 21 2018 21:37 Fyzar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:35 Paljas wrote:On February 21 2018 21:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On February 21 2018 21:33 Paljas wrote: is it a tie if gumi gets the cc and starport? At a minimum, but I think he could've turn that into a win with the tanks and vikings dont think so, maru had to many marines with 2/2. he could at least suicide for the vikings and force a tie himself Gumi had like 6 tanks left, I don’t think he can suicide in for vikings and have enough left over. I think if played perfectly Gumi should eventually win there. no way to know, but its pretty difficult to chase a marine based army with tanks. i dont think gumi could have forced a good engagement
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People saying 1/8 is balance is kinda funny as well
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On February 21 2018 21:44 Myrddrael wrote: People saying 1/8 is balance is kinda funny as well Since the RO16 groups are made by players it's really hard to say - it's a balance issue. Look at group A, the strongest Terran loses to a foreigner. Will you blame the balance? Innovation made the group himself and had the power to move Scarlett away!
And look at group B - Dark and soO were favorites. But then again - this was a group made by players, with a random draw we could have had a better results - e.g. from group D we will have 2 P no matter what. With Maru there we could have TP advancing.
From ro16 onwards is hard to tell balance from GSL distribution because of how the groups are set up.
I'm not saying there are no balance issues, but saying this based on how players screw their groups in GSL is not exactly smart.
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On February 21 2018 21:55 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:44 Myrddrael wrote: People saying 1/8 is balance is kinda funny as well Since the RO16 groups are made by players it's really hard to say - it's a balance issue. Look at group A, the strongest Terran loses to a foreigner. Will you blame the balance? Innovation made the group himself and had the power to move Scarlett away! And look at group B - Dark and soO were favorites. But then again - this was a group made by players, with a random draw we could have had a better results - e.g. from group D we will have 2 P no matter what. With Maru there we could have TP advancing. From ro16 onwards is hard to tell balance from GSL distribution because of how the groups are set up. I'm not saying there are no balance issues, but saying this based on how players screw their groups in GSL is not exactly smart. When one of the strongest players loses to one of the weakest players then it can very well be because of balance. Of course in that specific series Inno didn't lose because of balance looking at the games but I don't get your argument "He lost to a player he's supposed to beat therefore balance wasn't a factor." In the BL/Infestor and Blink era lots of players lost to players he's supposed to beat.
I don't think in Group B soO was favored over TY.
Is terran weak? I don't think we have enough data to determine that especially with the last patch being so recent.
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Czech Republic12116 Posts
On February 21 2018 22:08 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 21:55 deacon.frost wrote:On February 21 2018 21:44 Myrddrael wrote: People saying 1/8 is balance is kinda funny as well Since the RO16 groups are made by players it's really hard to say - it's a balance issue. Look at group A, the strongest Terran loses to a foreigner. Will you blame the balance? Innovation made the group himself and had the power to move Scarlett away! And look at group B - Dark and soO were favorites. But then again - this was a group made by players, with a random draw we could have had a better results - e.g. from group D we will have 2 P no matter what. With Maru there we could have TP advancing. From ro16 onwards is hard to tell balance from GSL distribution because of how the groups are set up. I'm not saying there are no balance issues, but saying this based on how players screw their groups in GSL is not exactly smart. When one of the strongest players loses to one of the weakest players then it can very well be because of balance. Of course in that specific series Inno didn't lose because of balance looking at the games but I don't get your argument "He lost to a player he's supposed to beat therefore balance wasn't a factor." In the BL/Infestor and Blink era lots of players lost to players he's supposed to beat. I don't think in Group B soO was favored over TY. Is terran weak? I don't think we have enough data to determine that especially with the last patch being so recent. No, you misread it.
My main argument is, that players pick their groups therefore we cannot directly say - "It's balance". Because players made it possible to have 2 Protoss players advancing from group D no matter what. Players made it the way that 2 strongest zergs were facing 2 terrans(thus 2 terrans were kicked even in theory before the RO16 started).
Players are choosing their groups the way to advance and thus screwing any potential balance discussion. Can we talk about balance after group D finalize and the RO8 is done? Because remember, from group D two best PvP players advance, not necessarily 2 best PvX players!
This is why I'm saying we have to stop balance issues at RO16. It would have been easier to see any balance issues with some random draw.
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I've been saying for a while that Maru would beat Gumiho if he actually played normal games instead of coinflips but I didn't think it would ever happen
Also 4th GSL ro8 that Maru is the only terran
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Only one terran in the ro8 mean anything balance wise. Group D was guaranteed 2 toss. Going by the first three, perfect balance would be 2 of each. We're pretty close with 2 P, 3 Z, 1 T.
If TY beat aLive we'd probably have had perfect results
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On February 21 2018 23:38 Fango wrote: I've been saying for a while that Maru would beat Gumiho if he actually played normal games instead of coinflips but I didn't think it would ever happen
Also 4th GSL ro8 that Maru is the only terran
Reverse Patchterran. Maru is only good when terran is weak.
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On February 21 2018 23:44 Fango wrote: Only one terran in the ro8 mean anything balance wise. Group D was guaranteed 2 toss. Going by the first three, perfect balance would be 2 of each. We're pretty close with 2 P, 3 Z, 1 T.
If TY beat aLive we'd probably have had perfect results I mean even if the game is perfectly balanced there would be a decent chance that one race has 1 or 0 players in the ro8 just by probability.
Remember 2016 season 2 where we had 0 Zergs in the ro8 but a ZvZ finals in SSL?
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On February 22 2018 02:17 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2018 23:44 Fango wrote: Only one terran in the ro8 mean anything balance wise. Group D was guaranteed 2 toss. Going by the first three, perfect balance would be 2 of each. We're pretty close with 2 P, 3 Z, 1 T.
If TY beat aLive we'd probably have had perfect results I mean even if the game is perfectly balanced there would be a decent chance that one race has 1 or 0 players in the ro8 just by probability. Remember 2016 season 2 where we had 0 Zergs in the ro8 but a ZvZ finals in SSL?
To be honest I do think zerg was very weak that season. It was basically only Dark and Solar doing decent. If those two happened to fall in the ro16 zerg was dead
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Maru vs Gumi was the sickest TvT I've seen in a while www.youtube.com Well done both
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Gumiho should have won that last game.
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Nothing is more satisfying than to watch Gumifail get destroyed.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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On February 22 2018 09:19 juicyjames wrote: Any recommended matches?
Final match between Gumiho and Maru for sure. The other series were quite one sided. Although gumi vs dear was a very weird one.
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Always disappointing when more well-rounded terran like TY and Gumiho fall short in TvT Gumithrow is always like an enigma.
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Would love to see blizzard putting hold fire button for widow mines.
No need to change its stats this change alone is enough to make protoss players wet thier paints. :DDDD
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On February 22 2018 10:08 LuftGespenst wrote:Always disappointing when more well-rounded terran like TY and Gumiho fall short in TvT Gumithrow is always like an enigma. The only one i find disappointed is Noonius.
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On February 22 2018 14:10 seemsgood wrote: Would love to see blizzard putting hold fire button for widow mines.
and make siege tanks able to fly too
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On February 22 2018 09:27 Fango wrote:Final match between Gumiho and Maru for sure. The other series were quite one sided. Although gumi vs dear was a very weird one.
Yes the TvT was a highlight, but I think also Gumi vs. Classic was interesting, considering how non-standard Gumiho's build were?
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On February 22 2018 16:31 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 14:10 seemsgood wrote: Would love to see blizzard putting hold fire button for widow mines.
and make siege tanks able to fly too
It's look like you are sarcastic
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On February 22 2018 18:02 Mun_Su wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 16:31 Ej_ wrote:On February 22 2018 14:10 seemsgood wrote: Would love to see blizzard putting hold fire button for widow mines.
and make siege tanks able to fly too It's look like you are sarcastic
We call that "being Ej", it's shorter
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On February 22 2018 10:08 LuftGespenst wrote:Always disappointing when more well-rounded terran like TY and Gumiho fall short in TvT Gumithrow is always like an enigma.
Gumiho is one of the reasons that more well rounded terrans fall of in TvT. His TvZ/P are much worse in comparison
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great day! Maruuuuuuuuuuu
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On February 22 2018 22:11 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2018 10:08 LuftGespenst wrote:Always disappointing when more well-rounded terran like TY and Gumiho fall short in TvT Gumithrow is always like an enigma. Gumiho is one of the reasons that more well rounded terrans fall of in TvT. His TvZ/P are much worse in comparison he took more maps off Classic than the ladder bonjwa that won in TvT
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