Maru should make it out first, second place will be decided between zest and solar (edge to solar). Poor patience doesn't really belong in this ro16. In before he proves me wrong
I remember when Trap was considered by far the weakest player in the ro16 last year as he was allegedly playing a lot of Overwatch and yet managed to make it out of his group. I wouldn't bet on Patience doing the same, but I could definitely see him using insane blinks forward to knock out Zest in the loser's match.
On May 23 2018 11:22 alter_egoh wrote: First time watching GSL with a patch change mid-season, will they play with the new patch or the one they started with?
Also why isn't this thread not on available on the event display thing.
They will play on the new patch, as they always do.
On May 23 2018 11:22 alter_egoh wrote: First time watching GSL with a patch change mid-season, will they play with the new patch or the one they started with?
Also why isn't this thread not on available on the event display thing.
They will play on the new patch, as they always do.
Does that also include the maps? I know Darkness Sanctuary was there before It was on ladder.
On May 23 2018 11:22 alter_egoh wrote: First time watching GSL with a patch change mid-season, will they play with the new patch or the one they started with?
Also why isn't this thread not on available on the event display thing.
They will play on the new patch, as they always do.
Does that also include the maps? I know Darkness Sanctuary was there before It was on ladder.
No, GSL will play on its own map pool, as it always does.
On May 23 2018 11:22 alter_egoh wrote: First time watching GSL with a patch change mid-season, will they play with the new patch or the one they started with?
Also why isn't this thread not on available on the event display thing.
They will play on the new patch, as they always do.
Does that also include the maps? I know Darkness Sanctuary was there before It was on ladder.
No, GSL will play on its own map pool, as it always does.
thanks, nice to have good news after that bad news.
Maru looks to be in unstoppable form. He is 1 and 2 on KR ladder, both Accounts 7k MMR. Last stream he went like 15 games won in a row. I hope he shows up today and smashes face
Huh. Didn't expect GSL to switch up the match pool before the Ro16, since they didn't last season (though they have in the past). And they're keeping the trash that is Backwater despite that.
On May 23 2018 18:57 Aunvilgodess wrote: I feel like Maru just straight up outmultitasked Patience and I feel insulted that Tastosis isn't acknowledging it.
Same, any other protoss in the ro16 would have rolled Maru after that botched attack
On May 23 2018 18:58 MarianoSC2 wrote: Yeah, Patience really should not be here... Maru played poorly, if he did play like this against Classic or Stats he would get destroyed.
What I don't get is the decision to not just keep making charge/phoenix. It shreds tank armies and gives you a lot earlier fight potential, especially vs banshees.
On May 23 2018 18:59 sashkata wrote: The one thing I don't like about Dreamcatcher Archons can fit through the middle, but tanks can't.
Tanks and thors are the fattest units, bigger even than ultras and archons. A lot of the unit sizes don't make much sense (with respect to terrain/building collisions). For example widow mines are fatter than landed vikings.
Wow, PvT lategame seems super duper protoss favored now. Maru was up like 25 SCVs, 2 bases, had 4k 3k banked up, and he still almost lost the game. There is just no answer to so much splash damage without the AAM.
And just to point out, that was Patience playing... so yeah, its not good :/
On May 23 2018 19:33 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow, PvT lategame seems super duper protoss favored now. Maru was up like 25 SCVs, 2 bases, had 4k 3k banked up, and he still almost lost the game. There is just no answer to so much splash damage without the AAM
On May 23 2018 19:33 MarianoSC2 wrote: Wow, PvT lategame seems super duper protoss favored now. Maru was up like 25 SCVs, 2 bases, had 4k 3k banked up, and he still almost lost the game. There is just no answer to so much splash damage without the AAM
It's ridiculous how you can't win the game now by making more orbitals and spell casters
Back in WoL there used to be this kinda weird dynamic where Terran had to counter the Collosi / HT splash with Vikings / Ghosts respectively, then HotS added Tempest and Oracle and made it much harder for Terran to win late game, now it's back to being like that except there's the added dynamic of Liberator / Disruptor as well. The game is so much more complex and so many more things to control for both sides, it's a little overwhelming to watch lol.
On May 23 2018 19:33 Aunvilgodess wrote: So where exactly did Maru start losing that first maxed push?
I think he overextended, he also let half his bio eating storm and disruptor shoots
Yeah he let his vikings/bio eat storms and disrupters in a big way twice
Maru is not playing well today, but its ridiculous how much splash damage protoss has in the late game. Imagine it would have been reversed. Maxed patience up 2 bases, 20 probes, with a huge bank. There is just now way in hell that any Terran would build a comp to give him even a slightest chance of winning, because Terran has no such options. Even with Godlike play, just no way... That does not seem fair to me, but lets see, it was just 1 game :/
On May 23 2018 19:33 Aunvilgodess wrote: So where exactly did Maru start losing that first maxed push?
I think he overextended, he also let half his bio eating storm and disruptor shoots
Yeah he let his vikings/bio eat storms and disrupters in a big way twice
Maru is not playing well today, but its ridiculous how much splash damage protoss has in the late game. Imagine it would have been reversed. Maxed patience up 2 bases, 20 probes, with a huge bank. There is just now way in hell that any Terran would build a comp to give him even a slightest chance of winning, because Terran has no such options. Even with Godlike play, just no way... That does not seem fair to me, but lets see, it was just 1 game :/
Dunno, with Patience he'd probably manage to funnel his entire army into tanks and liberators.
He's always liked the DT-based double archon opening. It took months of him losing to ling drops before he stopped using it, and now that ling drops aren't a threat, I'm not surprised to see him move back into it.
He's always liked the DT-based double archon opening. It took months of him losing to ling drops before he stopped using it, and now that ling drops aren't a threat, I'm not surprised to see him move back into it.
What an awful fight by Zest. He overextended, the phoenixes went too deep, the tempests were shooting every which way instead of focus firing, and #ZestMacro made another cameo.
On May 23 2018 20:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What an awful fight by Zest. He overextended, the phoenixes went too deep, the tempests were shooting every which way instead of focus firing, and #ZestMacro made another cameo.
I remember criticizing Zest's bank in one of his stream clip in the past and got trashed by other people. I agree, there are times when you want to focus on your micro more but to not produce anything when you have about 6k resources? You're begging to lose, Zest.
On May 23 2018 20:06 Carminedust wrote: clearly our attempts to nerf maru have failed if patiance lost against him must nerf terran harder
You mean buff terran. Our best chance to beat Maru is to have him lose a TvT against aLive or Ryung.
On May 23 2018 20:09 EzioAs wrote: I remember criticizing Zest's bank in one of his stream clip in the past and got trashed by other people. I agree, there are times when you want to focus on your micro more but to not produce anything when you have about 6k resources? You're begging to lose, Zest.
Kinda surprising. "Zest macro" has been a meme since at least 2014.
I liked the idea of that ling/bling attack. If Solar had managed to cancel or kill the 3rd, it would have been absolutely worth it. Since he didn't, it probably wasn't worth it.
On May 23 2018 22:04 Zaros wrote: Rogue vs Zest should be fun in the ro8
Rogue is certainly capable of beating Inno and soO to get 1st. But I don't think he's favoured to do either.
He should be favored against anyone in the group. That being said, I don't think he's an overwhelming favorite.
Based on what? He looked clueless against Inno in the super tournament, which was pre terran buffs. And his ZvZ has been shaky recently while soO is still king of the matchup.
On May 23 2018 22:04 Zaros wrote: Rogue vs Zest should be fun in the ro8
Rogue is certainly capable of beating Inno and soO to get 1st. But I don't think he's favoured to do either.
He should be favored against anyone in the group. That being said, I don't think he's an overwhelming favorite.
Based on what? He looked clueless against Inno in the super tournament, which was pre terran buffs. And his ZvZ has been shaky recently while soO is still king of the matchup.
Recent performances including beating INnoVation in China.
On May 23 2018 22:04 Zaros wrote: Rogue vs Zest should be fun in the ro8
Rogue is certainly capable of beating Inno and soO to get 1st. But I don't think he's favoured to do either.
He should be favored against anyone in the group. That being said, I don't think he's an overwhelming favorite.
Based on what? He looked clueless against Inno in the super tournament, which was pre terran buffs. And his ZvZ has been shaky recently while soO is still king of the matchup.
Recent performances including beating INnoVation in China.
I didnt watch the Hangzhou event but looking at the results it's still not great. Beating Inno in a third place match at a minor lan event doesn't carry much weight.
As far as I'm concerned Rogue's looked bad (for him) at every offline event this year baring Katowice, where he was absolutely a top player. I'm not really sure what to make of that, but if there's only a 1/4 chance he shows up then I'm betting on Inno or soO to take it.
Edit: ok it's worth noting that Inno been trash is literally every offline event this year as well. But he at least has a good patch going for him, which is where he usually shines
On May 23 2018 22:04 Zaros wrote: Rogue vs Zest should be fun in the ro8
Rogue is certainly capable of beating Inno and soO to get 1st. But I don't think he's favoured to do either.
He should be favored against anyone in the group. That being said, I don't think he's an overwhelming favorite.
Based on what? He looked clueless against Inno in the super tournament, which was pre terran buffs. And his ZvZ has been shaky recently while soO is still king of the matchup.
Recent performances including beating INnoVation in China.
I didnt watch the Hangzhou event but looking at the results it's still not great. Beating Inno in a third place match at a minor lan event doesn't carry much weight.
As far as I'm concerned Rogue's looked bad (for him) at every offline event this year baring Katowice, where he was absolutely a top player. I'm not really sure what to make of that, but if there's only a 1/4 chance he shows up then I'm betting on Inno or soO to take it.
Edit: ok it's worth noting that Inno been trash is literally every offline event this year as well. But he at least has a good patch going for him, which is where he usually shines
Was Rogue spanking Stats in his GSL ro32 group a dream of mine?
soO > Dear Rogue > Dear Inno > Dear soO = Rogue Inno = Rogue Inno > soO
While I would say that Rogue is probably the strongest overall player in Group B, the way the group is set up is such that Inno actually has the best chance of advancing. Whereas Rogue has to play ZvZ against soO and ZvT against Inno–their strongest MUs respectively–Inno gets to play his strongest MU twice and has a relatively weak Protoss (Dear) in his weakest MU. Rogue on the other hand is strongest in ZvP, but he'll need to beat at least one of soO or Inno to advance.
Also, I wrote this in the group nomination thread:
Call me a skeptic, but I'm really not buying all the Rogue hype. Some people (cough cough Artosis) are way overestimating the guy considering his form since Katowice, the balance changes since, and the rest of his group. His last big achievement was back in March, which, to be fair, is more recent than any of his groupmates' trophies. That being said, neither ZvP nor ZvT is the same as it was back then, nor has Rogue shown any particular superiority since.
While losing to Dear is probably still off the cards, losing to either soO, or INnoVation, or both would hardly be an upset. Outside of a finals, I would never bet against soO in ZvZ, and Rogue fell 1-3 to Inno in the Super Tournament. While he did narrowly defeat Inno 3-2 at Hangzhou (after losing to Neeb) his reverse-sweep there mirrors the reverse-sweep he achieved against Maru at Katowice–that is, heavily dependent on roach-based allins. I'd hesitate to expect similar results again, especially with the recent Marauder buff. The guys on the Pylon Show might guarantee that he advances, but personally I'd question Rogue being much better than 50% against soO/Inno.
Most of that might sound patently ridiculous at first glance (it did to me while I was typing it) but the thing is, while soO and Inno have both shown big weaknesses as of late, neither of them are weak against Zerg. soO has been struggling in ZvT whereas Inno has been struggling in TvP. I'd agree that Rogue is probably a stronger overall player than soO and/or Inno, but that means jack shit when they square off head-to-head.
Add all that to the fact that Rogue has historically underperformed in GSL and I would not at all be surprised if he gets knocked out in the Ro16.
TL;DR: Rogue hasn't been super impressive as of late and it's anyone's guess as to whether he makes it out of Group B.
Is mass viking really the answer to late game tempests? They seem super hard to use, if they spread out they don't kill anything, and if they clump that's worse.
Is it possible to use Thor? Not sure if that just gets cleared out by the ground army super fast.
Or maybe just make a fuckload of barely loaded bunkers on the ground to try to mess up targeting and change army EHP. It's not like bio actually does anything until the tech units are cleared out.
Or maybe the answer is just to run around and try to split the army apart like in TvZ, and then hope you get a lucky jump onto either templar or tempests split.