Boy these are hard to predict. Zest usually has Dear's number but maybe this will be one of those rare Dear wins, it's become hard to have faith in Zest. And TY - GuMiho is so close maybe I just go with the latter winning 3-2 after a 0-2 deficit?
These are literally the most impossible to predict matches I have ever seen in GSL. All 4 players are completely unpredictable and can be either the greatest player in the world or a complete scrub on any given day.
I guess of the 4, zest is expected to be the most consistent.... so I'll say zest 3-2.
Normally I would pick TY over gumiho, but gumiho has shown such strong form... and TY has a tendency to disappoint. So I say gumi 3-2.
On June 09 2018 13:33 SetGuitarsToKill wrote: when did zest decide to be best again?
When he realized he had a decent chance of winning this season. Probably the only person left that can beat Classic and he's about even against either Terran he hits in the next round.
What kind of pause was that? TY's keyboard has been disabled/dissconected or just broken? it's seems shady to me. I don't want to say something wrong, but it was a strange moment for sc.
On June 09 2018 14:57 dummy1 wrote: What kind of pause was that? TY's keyboard has been disabled/dissconected or just broken? it's seems shady to me. I don't want say something wrong, but it was a strange moment for sc.
Keyboard/equipment issues happen all the time. I'm not sure how it would be an indication of anything shady?
Yeah TY is just too good right now but great plays by both. And the PvP was just obvious. Dear is an overhyped fraud. I am so sad Roguejwa lost to him in the group
So I only just recently started following the GSL seriously, and the vibe I'm getting is that people think Classic is going to take this GSL due to his untouchable PvT.
Now, is that actually the case, or is this a GSL where anyone could win? I don't know the players well enough to make accurate predictions.
On June 10 2018 01:29 Frudgey wrote: So I only just recently started following the GSL seriously, and the vibe I'm getting is that people think Classic is going to take this GSL due to his untouchable PvT.
Now, is that actually the case, or is this a GSL where anyone could win? I don't know the players well enough to make accurate predictions.
I would say any of those 4 could win easily, most people would count out Zest but hes clearly improving and PvT and PvP are his good matchups. Maru is the best player in the world right now so I wouldn't even say Classic is favoured but Classic has great PvT. TY is in good form and showed good TvP vs Trap and Classic in the groups.
On June 10 2018 01:29 Frudgey wrote: So I only just recently started following the GSL seriously, and the vibe I'm getting is that people think Classic is going to take this GSL due to his untouchable PvT.
Now, is that actually the case, or is this a GSL where anyone could win? I don't know the players well enough to make accurate predictions.
Honestly all four players left have shown ridiculous skill ceilings in the past (TY being the only one without multiple starleague titles already), any of them could take it.
But Classic is the only one I would say is currently near that skill ceiling, the other players have had better seasons (granted they're still some of the best out there). Maru is really good as well but I don't know how you beat Classic's PvT
On June 10 2018 06:20 necrosexy wrote: Gumiho was robbed of game 2 how can you resume from that point of the game?
i hope Maru smashes him 4-0
one of the worst pauses of SC2 history..
such a tense moment, and it literally took 15 minutes to get them back int he game. if TY didnt have an opportunity to pause until then, i understand but i think GSL staff should interview him about the circumstance of the pause. TYs entire approach to the tank push changed after the pause, he started 2 liberators immediately after the pause, the pause gave him time look at Gumi's army and realize the low cyclone count
On June 10 2018 06:20 necrosexy wrote: how can you resume from that point of the game?
What would you have done? Resumed from after the issue occurred and affected TY's play? Or resumed from way earlier? Or just not resumed at all?
What is the right play, actually? I think resuming from an earlier point is messed up. I mean, I'm not mad about it or anything, but thinking about it, the whole situation poses problems I'm not sure how to solve. It might have been more fair to start a new game, though that also throws a lot of prep out the window.
Literally every pause or technical issue makes people put a question mark over the winner lol.
On June 10 2018 09:48 c0sm0naut wrote: GuMiho probably has the best crisis management in all of sc2
the only other players with instincts of what to do in crisis/stay creative in crisis are probably like Mvp or sOs
I wouldn't go that far. He makes games chaotic and weird because that's his style and it gives him the best chance of winning. He's admitted that he doesn't have the mechanics of a Maru or INnoVation, so he puts games into positions where that doesn't matter.
Winning chaotic games when that's your go-to playstyle isn't the same as having great crisis management. Even TY better than Gumiho in terms of responding to something sudden or unexpected, especially in the other matchups.
Well my personal tinfoil hat theory is that TY paused the game because he was trying to build/queue more units but his keyboard didn't respond anymore so he started floating 700/500. He also didn't type pp, so maybe he even paused with his mouse.
On June 10 2018 15:22 dummy1 wrote: Dat pause. I just see the situation for what it was: shady as fck. No whine. Just saying it. TY changed the build order.
herO and his tactical pauses from Proleague days. ouch
At around 11:52 TY stopped spending his money, over the next 10 seconds he went over 800/500 resources and below 100 APM. That just wouldn't happen naturally to a player like TY.
The game was resumed from 11:52 which is the exact time that the issues appeared to have started. TY didn't change the build order at all, he just actually started making things.
Now I agree that pauses in general have an unknown impact on the game. Some players will be put out of rhythm by it and may even lose as a result. But you can't call a pause suspicious when there was clearly something going wrong
On June 11 2018 03:53 necrosexy wrote: whether TY did it deliberately or not is irrelevant. that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react
He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around.
On June 11 2018 03:53 necrosexy wrote: whether TY did it deliberately or not is irrelevant. that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react
He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around.
he's human first. "odds are" -- what odds? speculative and rather unconvincing
You realise TY was kiting and following Gumiho's army the entire distance across the map right? He didn't just have "seconds to react" to the situation.
It wasn't even that great an attack or allin either (three tanks and a bunch of hellbats), TY had more than enough army and production to hold it. If TY was really willing to pause and assess a situation he wouldn't have done it there.
On June 11 2018 03:53 necrosexy wrote: whether TY did it deliberately or not is irrelevant. that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react
He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around.
he's human first. "odds are" -- what odds? speculative and rather unconvincing
This
On June 10 2018 06:20 necrosexy wrote: Gumiho was robbed of game 2
is what speculative and unconvincing looks like. He wasn't even ahead in the game yet you claim he was robbed.
Maybe it would have been more fair to redo the game entirely but if both players agree to resume game from 11:52 I see no reason to object any further.
On June 11 2018 03:53 necrosexy wrote: whether TY did it deliberately or not is irrelevant. that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react
He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around.
he's human first. "odds are" -- what odds? speculative and rather unconvincing
On June 10 2018 06:20 necrosexy wrote: Gumiho was robbed of game 2
is what speculative and unconvincing looks like. He wasn't even ahead in the game yet you claim he was robbed.
Maybe it would have been more fair to redo the game entirely but if both players agree to resume game from 11:52 I see no reason to object any further.
that opinion is too strong, but my point is that it's unfair to Gumiho. "ahead in the game", yes, because when you're ahead, it 100% means auto-win? c'mon
On June 11 2018 03:53 necrosexy wrote: whether TY did it deliberately or not is irrelevant. that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react
He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around.
he's human first. "odds are" -- what odds? speculative and rather unconvincing
This
On June 10 2018 06:20 necrosexy wrote: Gumiho was robbed of game 2
is what speculative and unconvincing looks like. He wasn't even ahead in the game yet you claim he was robbed.
Maybe it would have been more fair to redo the game entirely but if both players agree to resume game from 11:52 I see no reason to object any further.
that opinion is too strong, but my point is that it's unfair to Gumiho. "ahead in the game", yes, because when you're ahead, it 100% means auto-win? c'mon
Do you seriously think the pause game him a 100% auto win?
Gumiho wasn't robbed of anything. He had no literally no advantages that the pause could have cost him
On June 11 2018 03:53 necrosexy wrote: whether TY did it deliberately or not is irrelevant. that delay gave him time to assess Gumiho's attack, otherwise he has seconds to react
He's a progamer, it doesn't take him more than a few seconds to figure out what to do in that spot. Odds are he knew what to do already and got stopped by his keyboard not working. Not the other way around.
he's human first. "odds are" -- what odds? speculative and rather unconvincing
This
On June 10 2018 06:20 necrosexy wrote: Gumiho was robbed of game 2
is what speculative and unconvincing looks like. He wasn't even ahead in the game yet you claim he was robbed.
Maybe it would have been more fair to redo the game entirely but if both players agree to resume game from 11:52 I see no reason to object any further.
that opinion is too strong, but my point is that it's unfair to Gumiho. "ahead in the game", yes, because when you're ahead, it 100% means auto-win? c'mon
Do you seriously think the pause game him a 100% auto win?
Gumiho wasn't robbed of anything. He had no literally no advantages that the pause could have cost him
i meant my opinion ("Gumiho was robbed") is too strong.
you're just undervaluing the element of time and calculation. any chance Gumiho had was gone. that's what was truly robbed: a chance to comeback. what do you think TY was doing during that gap? twiddling his thumbs?
Let's say it was legit. His keyboard was broken but he uses his mouse and stoped the game right before the push/attack. Gumiho cut off TY's third base. TY kited so hard and turned back with all of his units.15 min pause to change a wire/ a keyboard? Ooook. But, when game was resumed TY changed the build order. And also he sent a group to intercept new hellions/tanks. HE counts the numbers. It was unfair moment (at least).
On June 12 2018 12:32 dummy1 wrote: Let's say it was legit. His keyboard was broken but he uses his mouse and stoped the game right before the push/attack. Gumiho cut off TY's third base. TY kited so hard and turned back with all of his units.15 min pause to change a wire/ a keyboard? Ooook. But, when game was resumed TY changed the build order. And also he sent a group to intercept new hellions/tanks. HE counts the numbers. It was unfair moment (at least).
On June 12 2018 12:32 dummy1 wrote: Let's say it was legit. His keyboard was broken but he uses his mouse and stoped the game right before the push/attack. Gumiho cut off TY's third base. TY kited so hard and turned back with all of his units.15 min pause to change a wire/ a keyboard? Ooook. But, when game was resumed TY changed the build order. And also he sent a group to intercept new hellions/tanks. HE counts the numbers. It was unfair moment (at least).
The correct approach would've been cancelling the match and letting the winner get determined by a coinflip. A coinflip is 100% fair and unbiased so no player would've gotten an unfair advantage.
On June 13 2018 06:27 Charoisaur wrote: The correct approach would've been cancelling the match and letting the winner get determined by a coinflip. A coinflip is 100% fair and unbiased so no player would've gotten an unfair advantage.
Absolutely. In fact, this approach should be used in advance for the semifinals as well. For far too long have we let the abilities of players corrupt the cleanness and fairness of our game.