I did 2 nova, 2 zag plays more. I now did notice Zag's flaw vs airterran. Mass libes just seemed unkillable when scourges kept dying before reaching them, even when splitting. Ofc still beatable, but mission dragged past 30m point one time, yak!
For Nova raven+marine exp clear was superior to my rauder marine indeed. I still think she suffers more from blackhole combos than others. Ravens getting on blackhole and it's not in your hands to make them live vs. some comps. Meanwhile Zag/Kerri laugh at the aoe combos due to naturally spreading army so not everything ever goes to one blackhole. Again the only spell I had issue with was blackhole, ofc everything else you can ignore due to healing.
But yeah on maybe 12 playthroughs I've never seen BIG air waves. The liberator terran probably makes BCs if mutation drags on, but I haven't really seen other air than airterran that just Zag couldn't handle with hydras. And as I see scourge usage as her only downside here, I'll stick to saying she should still be in top5 here.
My issue with the lists was just that I kept pealing about Nova being the best commander for several weeks. You put her as 5-3-3-5-3 for first 5 weeks. I'm not saying she's not good here, but IF she's #1 for this, she should have been rated higher on previous weeks that suited better for her than this.
Anyhow, the fact that we're able to even have argument whether #9 should be top3 tells that it's too easy mutation for it to really matter It's great to see all commanders still are capable to carry almost every mutation when played right.
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On December 01 2016 10:25 Ouga wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2016 01:48 monk wrote:On December 01 2016 01:01 Ouga wrote:http://i.imgur.com/uO8Kqpc.png from one of the earlier mutations, I'd say Nova is top tier at regular rock expanding. For sure no others than Vora can have full 4gas mining <5min, I think those rauders finish the job fast enough to allow 4th gas to be finished pre5. Fine, not others need all that gas, but Nova does! At least I felt like I couldn't afford even marine/ghost/raven army properly until later in the mission. Alarak and Raynor are for sure top tier since Alarak kills the rocks at around 1:45 and Raynor doesn't need to kill rocks until 4:00, by which time he'll have 3OCs ready. Karax has the option to kill the rocks near the start of the game, but still needs cannons to kill the gas rocks. Vorazun instantly kills at 3:00. Zagara also kills rocks extremely fast, especially with the armor nerf and can get full saturation faster than anyone. That's already 5 commanders who rock expand better than Nova. In addition, Swann and Artanis clear the rocks at similar rates to Nova, but they don't reach full gas saturation as fast. Abathur and Kerrigan are probably at the bottom. So all in all, I'd say Nova is a solid 5th or 6th out of 10 in terms of rock expanding, definitely not top tier. The point of the picture was that CC was landed at 3:52 WITH 2gas opening, and without slowing fac/star too much either. All commanders have a bit different situation in what they give up for fastest expansion, but Nova's version is very balanced. The time when rocks are killed is not important at all? It's about when the expansion is completed at the rock spot what matters, and how fast you can reach max saturation. I can see Ray having mineral advantage, Zag getting max saturation faster, Vora getting nat gases slightly faster. None of them are truly ahead of Nova though imo when include the fact that Nova gets 4gases 2nd fastest, has expansion mining at nat faster than all of them. Will reach max saturation slower than Zag probably and Ray will balance plain mineral income to his favor. All in all everyone give up something though. What makes Alarak top tier? Correct me if I'm wrong but his nexus still takes 100s to build? So he has slower gas mining at both main/nat and expansion is only finished at 3:30 or so. This does not make Alarak superior to Nova imo. Slightly better mineral income sure, but comparisons can't be made that simple when Nova is as gas intense as she is. I'm not going to claim who's #1 #2 #3 at expanding, but Nova's expanding plays so naturally to her strengths that it's fair to say she's up there. Fair enough.
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