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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Hey everyone!
Now that our SSBM coverage revival is approaching its one month mark, we thought it would be best to see what you, the community, would like to see more of on our forum.
As the Melee community is quite fragmented nowadays, we feel it's important to provide a place where all fans of the game can come together to promote discussion and advance the community, together. And while publishing articles, creating live tournament discussion threads and adding Melee streams to the sidebar is a step in the right direction, we know that there is much more we can do.
So instead of arbitrarily deciding what to produce ourselves, it would be great to hear from everyone here about the kinds of things that would facilitate your Melee needs and make your forum experience more enjoyable.
Please leave any comments/suggestions/feedback here so we can get an idea of where we should take things from here.
Thanks!
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As the Melee community is quite fragmented nowadays
Thus you write, while actively contributing to said problem
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On July 24 2015 10:02 Warchamp7 wrote:Thus you write, while actively contributing to said problem I don't watch or read about Smash 4 because it's boring as shit to watch. I'm divided from Smash 4 because of that, not because some writer on some forum said some words. People like or don't like different things.
I'm all for extending Smash coverage on TeamLiquid, whether Melee or 4. We aren't Reddit where you have to have one or the other.
As for Melee, this forum does well for coverage. We have a good main thread and tournament threads for big events. More articles would be nice though. Our players are reaching high marks at the best tournaments.
Edit: As for fragmented, I have a Smashboards account and a Reddit account, but I don't like the environment on either. Reddit is horribly negative towards absolutely everything, and Smashboards is horribly designed if you're trying to find information about upcoming events or Smasher news. Instead I come to TeamLiquid for most of my eSports news, and I maintain our USF4 hub because I want to participate. TL is just the best at consolidating information and presenting it well.
People will go where they feel most at home, and they're growing the scene as they do. TeamLiquid had Evolution in their event sidebar and constant updates on our Twitter feed, contributing to thousands of views and viewers. More is better, especially when the scene and viewership is growing year by year. It's just inevitable.
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On July 24 2015 10:02 Warchamp7 wrote:Thus you write, while actively contributing to said problem
Yes, because ignoring the issue is the way to go. Mentioning it doesn't contribute to the problem at all, let's be honest.
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On July 24 2015 10:02 Warchamp7 wrote:Thus you write, while actively contributing to said problem That's not what he meant. He was saying there isn't really one place where the me lee community gathers to discuss things anymore. Their online presence is fragmented as it were. Smash boards isn't as popular anymore, especially with newer smashers. TL is trying to give the community a new hub. At least that was my interpretation
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To answer the question, I would like for someone to do this, except for Melee. There is no equivalent thread here talking about upcoming Melee events. I was thinking of making one, but I'm sure there's someone more qualified.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
I don't think we should have one huge megathread since we have a subforum, but if all you want is a thread to discuss upcoming Melee events that may be okay.
Or would you rather us create live discussion threads (aka LRs) for the events, one by one?
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United States10327 Posts
I mean, for a while (i.e. before the creation of this subforum) the SSBM General Discussion thread contained all discussion about Melee... also not sure that's it's a great idea
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I don't want a megathread for all discussion (a subforum with multiple posts is actually preferable imo), I just want a single post I can subscribe to where I can read up on upcoming Melee events, including dates and countdowns, what players will be attending, and stream information ahead of time.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Okay. I'll see what the best way to approach this is. Normally we just create a live discussion thread for events or post news if a big tournament is announced. I take it that isn't what you'd prefer?
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I think articles on the history of smash would be extremely interesting.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Like the Smash documentary sort of thing? Or what did you have in mind?
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Definitely getting smashers streams on the sidebar, perhaps create a Smash subsection like HotS/LotV/HotS instead of cramming them into Other Games.
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On July 24 2015 10:54 Souma wrote: Okay. I'll see what the best way to approach this is. Normally we just create a live discussion thread for events or post news if a big tournament is announced. I take it that isn't what you'd prefer? Correct, I would prefer if they were collected in one thread.
First of all, you haven't had LR threads for every Melee event, not even every big Melee event. I've even had to post about a couple of them in the Smash General Discussion thread just to notify people here that streams are starting. If you make a calendar of some kind, and you update it occasionally, it would make it a lot easier to see and remember, "Oh right, Smash Event X is this weekend and has Hax and SFAT in it, I should tune in. Oh good, here are the stream links in the OP so I don't have to go looking for them."
Second, even if you did make LR threads for every Smash event big and small, it's still pretty easy to miss specific event posts nested between all the interview threads, photo threads, recaps, live stream threads, and general news threads, especially if (like me) you only casually browse the actual subforum.
Third, and most important to me, I want to subscribe to the thread so it shows up in my subscribed threads page. For the USF4 thread, whenever I add information about an upcoming event, I also post that info in the thread proper so that the thread shows as updated. This makes it easy for people to check their subscribed threads and see that something new is going on they might want to be aware of.
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2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
Keep in mind that we just started up again for EVO. So yeah, we haven't had LRs for every event nor have we had things on the calendar because... we just revived coverage a couple weeks ago.
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On July 24 2015 10:31 Aylear wrote:To answer the question, I would like for someone to do this, except for Melee. There is no equivalent thread here talking about upcoming Melee events. I was thinking of making one, but I'm sure there's someone more qualified. A megathread tracking big regionals/nationals and such could be workable, but it couldn't track every single upcoming Melee event given the nature of the Melee community. Since the first stop in tournament participation for most players is their own local community, it seems that Facebook communities centered on localities have taken the forefront for organizing the frankly enormous number of smaller tournaments and fests going on constantly.
For megathread resources like guides to starting out, setting up, finding events, viewing events, learning about players, etc, TL could create something largely referential, like a sort of thread-database. A lot of great info is already out there, posted in other places, but it's not super consolidated or accessible. TL already features a lot of good shit in Liquipedia, which is amazing.
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I really like the guest writer article done by Wobbles. More stuff analyzing the competitive landscape in terms of characters, stages, matchups, and players would be really interesting. I like interviews to an extent, and it's really good to get players who have been in the scene a long time like DruggedFox that perhaps no one has heard of really.
Tournament previews are nice, but I like recaps more. LR threads are amazing, it's always nice to shitpost about what's going on with people as we all experience it. I never use any other smash site so I don't really care about overlap too much in terms of content, so honestly I'm for anything.
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On July 24 2015 12:33 yamato77 wrote: I really like the guest writer article done by Wobbles. More stuff analyzing the competitive landscape in terms of characters, stages, matchups, and players would be really interesting. I like interviews to an extent, and it's really good to get players who have been in the scene a long time like DruggedFox that perhaps no one has heard of really.
Tournament previews are nice, but I like recaps more. LR threads are amazing, it's always nice to shitpost about what's going on with people as we all experience it. I never use any other smash site so I don't really care about overlap too much in terms of content, so honestly I'm for anything. I agree with this a lot. I don't like to get my Smash news from Smashboards or Reddit because the former is horribly designed if you just want easily accessible event news, and the latter is a miserable pile of negativity so pungent that it has caused a lot of grief for Smashers and community organizers.
TeamLiquid is excellent at consolidating information, much better than just about any other eSports site -- certainly better than Smashboards. If you were to expand into doing pre-event write-ups (even minor ones like saying who's going to be attending, maybe what their rivalries are, and where I can find the streams), I would probably only look to TL for my Smash news. I'd rather not visit the negativity zone that is Reddit's /r/smashbros if I can avoid it.
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Canada8025 Posts
An updated calendar would be nice. I should probably do that myself. <_<
Not gonna lie, if I never looked at the sidebar, I would miss 100% of the articles posted in this subforum. I browse TL through two ways: Subscribed Threads, and through my RSS feed. The problem is, nothing outside of Featured News gets pushed to that RSS feed. I guess I should start a thread in Website Feedback...
On a related note, what qualifies as Featured News anyways?
With regards to guides and such, TL could be a place to consolidate all that. In general though, I think TL is a pretty awful place to try and find info. This subforum is far too cramped for there to be of much use as an information repository. I would put this more in the realm of Smashboards (even in its nearly dead state) and possibly Liquipedia.
Guest articles. Everybody praised that Fox article by Wobbles since it offered good insight and was pretty well written.
Get comments from known players to add substance to articles. Think of how some SC2 articles get pro players to comment on balance changes. Stuff like that. And considering that Liquid has its own players...
Game analysis would be nice, but that requires someone with deeper knowledge of the game to do a writeup.
Statistical analysis of trends like character popularity, player performance, stage picks, etc. Everyone looooves Tafostats.
Power Rankings. MIOM Rankings only come out once a year and are thus laughably outdated by the time all the majors happen. And nothing says community like bitching about why my favorite player isn't higher up on the list. Seriously though, this stuff was always fun.
An article on doubles, maybe. What characters have synergy? What strategies are relevant? Why does everybody ignore Kongo Jungle even though it's legal? Why is FoD so badly optimized? The rabbit hole is pretty deep and unexplored here.
By the way, the TL Smash News Index is way outdated.
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On July 24 2015 11:03 Souma wrote: Like the Smash documentary sort of thing? Or what did you have in mind? Maybe something like profiling players like Stuchiu did in his Greatest of all time list? Or just stuff like important moments in Smash. Something like the smash doc would be great.
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