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IdrA vs. HuK - Bo7
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On April 28 2012 09:56 scudst0rm wrote: And this time it won't be replays of games played over christmas right? Lets hope EG learned! | ||
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Huk didn't do too good in the MLG, but Idra isn't a Korean, is weak vs Protoss, doesn't win at all recently. Let's not forget they know each others' style a lot. | ||
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Poll: Score? 4-1 Huk (36) 4-2 Huk (34) 4-3 Idra (20) 4-2 Idra (19) 4-0 Idra (19) 4-0 Huk (16) 4-3 Huk (12) 4-1 Idra (6) 162 total votes Your vote: Score? (Vote): 4-0 Huk | ||
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All of these landslide predictions are erroneous. | ||
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Reptilia
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nvm t.t but, i wanna see this! gogo idra..or huk...or idra..or huk...and idra... fuck | ||
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ticklishmusic
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Hallucinated voidray inc. | ||
Battleaxe
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Game 2: 10 pool vs FFE Game 3: Standard Game 4: Standard Game 5: CANNONS! Game 6: 2 base timing Game 7: Not needed gogo baseless predictions! | ||
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Jinsho
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I know it's obviously going to be onemoregametv, but come on. | ||
juicy
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As much as I'd love IdrA to win ... IDRA FIGHTING! | ||
EG.lectR
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On April 28 2012 11:23 Jinsho wrote: Where's the stream info? You'd think that would be important, no? I know it's obviously going to be onemoregametv, but come on. You are a prophet. | ||
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huk has bad pvz and idra looks amazing atm | ||
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Let it Raine
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if huk managed to copy some better two base all ins, or waits till he has 2 vortex's before pushing... he should win this series. | ||
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On April 28 2012 12:18 Belha wrote: Right now Huk outclasses Idra. I agree, but I bet Huk will "keep things interesting". In recent matches he either trashes idra or does something inexplicably bad to lose. It seems as though he doesn't bring his A game when playing idra, perhaps due to their friendship. I can't see the series being any more lopsided than 4-2. | ||
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hold on ive been waiting for this moment for all my life hold on | ||
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On April 28 2012 13:35 MountainGoat wrote: Will this be played live or from replays? If replays when are they from? Replays and within 4 days of being played. | ||
jmbthirteen
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which means they played it at the EG lair so no lag factor. | ||
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um yeah | ||
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On April 28 2012 15:30 kinglemon wrote: would be interesting if it wouldn't be in an eg tournament. lol..wtf is that supposed to mean? the title of the tourney is "Most Evil Genius". It was an in - house tournament for team EG. I like both these players but i find it hilarious how people claim IdrA cant beat Huk -when almost every series they played in a tournament IdrA won (including earlier on in this tourney when idra won 3-1) | ||
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What's 2pm EST in European time? I figure it's gonna be late at night. | ||
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I think HuK got this, IdrA is not in his best shape atm. | ||
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HuK! | ||
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On April 28 2012 17:57 Fleshcut wrote: Since Idra can't play ZvP... HuK is gonna take this with ease. But on the other hand Huk can't play PvZ... | ||
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On April 28 2012 21:40 Aocowns wrote: Aww man, such a bad pic of Idra as compared to Huk's He looks happy, rather than evil D: Happy idra probably indicate something evil, yeah? | ||
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DreamChaser
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But i thik Idra to take it, since its a show match i think huk is less likely to do some overagressive near cheese 1-2 base play. So since idra doesn't have to worry about cheese hes got this. | ||
How2getMaster
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Greetings. | ||
7mk
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On April 28 2012 21:45 An2quamaraN wrote: But on the other hand Huk can't play PvZ... well, he can probably play it better than any other foreign protoss | ||
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ThatGuy89
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i know it was a while ago but idra took HuK out in the group stage, quite easily as well 3-1 i believe Id want HuK to win but i cant see him beating idra But thats irelivant cos it looks like its HuK vs Machine judging by the pic in the op | ||
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On April 28 2012 23:12 7mk wrote: well, he can probably play it better than any other foreign protoss No he cant he is quite horrible in that matchup allways been his main weakness. Huk would allmost autolose to any top foreign zerg. But the quistion are whos worse Huk PvZ or Idra´s ZvP. I do think Huk are abit better so i expect he will pull true | ||
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On April 28 2012 09:47 DYEAlabaster wrote: HuK takes this, easily last time they played idra destroyed Huk, and i know he will again | ||
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sVnteen
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if huk is even close to being in shape he should not have a problem smashing idra idra is just not impressing at all lately on the other hand huk's play wasn't impressive either lately | ||
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see... | ||
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therwise i say huk 4-0 On April 29 2012 05:33 AcOrP wrote: I won't watch it IdrA and HuK are not on the highest level of play Code B. I want NaNiwa vs Stephano showmatch hope we see it soon. troll allert !!! | ||
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On April 29 2012 01:51 Benjamin99 wrote: No he cant he is quite horrible in that matchup allways been his main weakness. Huk would allmost autolose to any top foreign zerg. But the quistion are whos worse Huk PvZ or Idra´s ZvP. I do think Huk are abit better so i expect he will pull true Huk has bad PvZ? wait what....? Huks beaten ret,lucky violet etc that's his strong match up, lol.... | ||
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On April 29 2012 01:50 mordk wrote: Easy win for Huk, the only truly good player on EG Whoa there. Not that I'm a big fan of his, but I'm sure most would agree that Puma is a good player. Regarding the match, I guess HuK is the favourite, but I haven't seen much of him or IdrA lately so I have no idea. | ||
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Harris1st
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Still high level of talent IdrA, i don't know, havent't seen any good results from him lately. Good NA player but i guess that's it KR > EU > NA :D | ||
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On April 29 2012 09:03 Harris1st wrote: Puma and JYP are pretty good actually, maybe not GSL material but apparently neither is HuK Still high level of talent IdrA, i don't know, havent't seen any good results from him lately. Good NA player but i guess that's it KR > EU > NA :D JYP won his 1st round Code A match lol. | ||
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On April 29 2012 10:04 Havik_ wrote: Wait, what is this? Is this just a showmatch or what??? It's the finals of a small in house tournament for EG | ||
CakeMaster
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TLPD Statistics: Recent Games (In Tournaments): IdrA 3-1 HuK (Most Evil Genius) HuK 2-0 IdrA (Dreamhack Winter 2011) HuK 2-0 IdrA (Blizzard N.A. Invitational) HuK 2-1 IdrA (HomeStory Cup #3) IdrA 2-0 HuK (MLG Dallas 2011) HuK PvZ Record (Rounded): Korea:49% International:56% IdrA ZvP Record (Rounded): Korea:50% International:57% Links: Korea: HuK IdrA International: HuK IdrA Liquipedia: HuK IdrA Edit: I was bored. | ||
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Cross server or not? | ||
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Edit wrong thread D: | ||
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SOOOOOO going to watch this while writing essay tomorrow | ||
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On April 29 2012 01:50 mordk wrote: Easy win for Huk, the only truly good player on EG Yea. IdrA, Demuslim, Puma, and JYP are all push overs. | ||
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On April 29 2012 11:56 High[5] wrote: So does anyone know how long ago these games were played? All games are played within 4 days of the live stream. | ||
TheDougler
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On April 29 2012 10:36 CakeMaster wrote: HuK beat Taeja 2-1, and GanZi 2-0. Those are terran, but their skill levels are still amazing. Also, he took a game off DRG. Unfortunately IdrA hasnt played in any tournaments recently, but I still think HuK will take it. TLPD Statistics: Recent Games (In Tournaments): IdrA 3-1 HuK (Most Evil Genius) HuK 2-0 IdrA (Dreamhack Winter 2011) HuK 2-0 IdrA (Blizzard N.A. Invitational) HuK 2-1 IdrA (HomeStory Cup #3) IdrA 2-0 HuK (MLG Dallas 2011) HuK PvZ Record (Rounded): Korea:49% International:56% IdrA ZvP Record (Rounded): Korea:50% International:57% Links: Korea: HuK IdrA International: HuK IdrA Liquipedia: HuK IdrA Edit: I was bored. Heh, to be fair that's not the whole story with MLG Dallas. I believe it ended up being 4-2 Idra overall, as HuK famously won their first encounter at that tournament 2-1 with hallucinated voidrays (just saying, you weren't loss!) and then winning the third game because Idra was a little tilted. Then they met again in the championship bracket and Idra beat HuK three games in a row, leaving their final score 4-2 Idra. | ||
InfusedTT.DaZe
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On April 29 2012 16:14 TheDougler wrote: Heh, to be fair that's not the whole story with MLG Dallas. I believe it ended up being 4-2 Idra overall, as HuK famously won their first encounter at that tournament 2-1 with hallucinated voidrays (just saying, you weren't loss!) and then winning the third game because Idra was a little tilted. Then they met again in the championship bracket and Idra beat HuK three games in a row, leaving their final score 4-2 Idra. i remember the shit storm of bm that happened then from idra, now it's all about love | ||
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At beyondgaming.com it's pretty much a dead end. I don't really want to sign up to tell people who I think will win. Would be nice if it was explicitly mentioned whether being a member there is a requirement for viewing. | ||
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On April 28 2012 09:48 Josh_rakoons wrote: Huk will destroy, idra is terrible atm. Are we talking about the IdrA that knocked out MVP from Iron Squid this month by 2-0ing him ? Even with the current stepback from MVP, there are very little foreingers who could have done that. So no, IdrA is not terrible, but we might discuss the weaknesses of his ZvP. | ||
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tnud
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Then again I haven't watched HuK play for a while either... EDIT: Spring Arena! Well he took a game off DRG, gotta count for something | ||
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Cable
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It will be live and not casted from replies I assume? | ||
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skyrunner
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Or even better, why not 10 or 11 gate!? | ||
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Teeky
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On April 30 2012 00:59 IAMPRO wrote: A match between 2 players who are becoming totally irrelevant. Do not want. This could help them make a return. They're both still pretty good. I'll tune in because I'm always rooting for Idra and their back-and-forth can be entertaining. | ||
UBavarice
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On April 30 2012 00:59 IAMPRO wrote: A match between 2 players who are becoming totally irrelevant. Do not want. They've both cooled off. But I wouldn't say they're totally irrelevant. They're both still good and have potential to come back and do good in the top scene. As the guy above me said, this match is a step in the right direction for both of 'em | ||
yeastiality
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On April 30 2012 01:20 UBavarice wrote: They've both cooled off. But I wouldn't say they're totally irrelevant. They're both still good and have potential to come back and do good in the top scene. As the guy above me said, this match is a step in the right direction for both of 'em I think it's just a step in the same direction, if that makes sense. | ||
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UBavarice
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On April 30 2012 01:40 yeastiality wrote: I think it's just a step in the same direction, if that makes sense. Yeah... Could be the case as well. | ||
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creamyturtle
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http://www.twitch.tv/OneMoreGameTV | ||
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4-1. | ||
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On April 30 2012 03:30 Kayzer. wrote: the stream actually started on time but there were video and audio problems so they're probably fixing that right now. Where did you get that from? | ||
Kayzer.
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then the commentator (forgot his name) started to talk but he realized that there were problems and the stopped the broadcast. edit: the commentator was DJ Wheat | ||
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On April 30 2012 03:45 Azarkon wrote: Come watch Stephano vs. Lucifron in the GD Studio Arena. probably waiting for this to be over | ||
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dAPhREAk
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then it will be winner vs + Show Spoiler + titan | ||
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Zanno
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anyway this should be a pretty one sided roflstomp | ||
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System42
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so really dont think there is any kind of a rivalry anymore and if you do your dumb. | ||
soon.Cloak
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"Top 3 control my **" lol... | ||
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On April 30 2012 03:58 Die4Ever wrote: is DJWheat solocasting? I wish Incontrol would've joined him or anyone at all, really. | ||
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On April 30 2012 04:08 Kayzer. wrote: lol. i've waited an hour to see that? c'mon man. you and i both know this is exactly the kind of match ppl want to see when they idra is playing. then they love to come on the forums whining about it | ||
Monsen
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Still always hilarious when loudmouths get owned | ||
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On April 30 2012 04:13 dAPhREAk wrote: lol. idra with more bm. probably going to be another 9 minute game with him "gg"ing If you think that is "real" bm, may there be mercy on your soul. | ||
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On April 30 2012 04:32 dAPhREAk wrote: does idra have double spire upgrading? i havent seen any upgrades on air. Yea, he got 2 Spires, at least had them earlier. | ||
amd098
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a useful talent toi have indeed | ||
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DJwheat: THIS IS ABSOL- stream dead. | ||
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On April 30 2012 04:36 amd098 wrote: is the stream randomly cutting for anyone else? DJwheat: THIS IS ABSOL- stream dead. Nope | ||
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On April 30 2012 04:36 amd098 wrote: is the stream randomly cutting for anyone else? DJwheat: THIS IS ABSOL- stream dead. stream is perfect for me | ||
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(To get Templars to Feedback the Mothership ) | ||
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applejack
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Hens
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amd098
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TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
great game though. would like to see another game like that. | ||
Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:37 Gorlin wrote: Geez vortex is silly. Obviously I realize that its needed to beat broodlord infestor, but vortex just makes fights so dumb. People will whine about anything. What do you do you want protoss v zerg late game to look like then? Vortex forces position jockeying, looking for openings, knowing when to engage, etc. That entire late game were them looking for holes in each other's position and making small trades while fighting for expansions. That seems to be about the best you can expect from protoss v zerg late game. Sorry that it's not a four-screen-wide battle of constant feedback, fungals, carriers, broodlords, and voidrays? | ||
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Akash1223
United States91 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:44 Heavenlee wrote: People will whine about anything. What do you do you want protoss v zerg late game to look like then? Vortex forces position jockeying, looking for openings, knowing when to engage, etc. That entire late game were them looking for holes in each other's position and making small trades while fighting for expansions. That seems to be about the best you can expect from protoss v zerg late game. Sorry that it's not a four-screen-wide battle of constant feedback, fungals, carriers, broodlords, and voidrays? If there was no vortex, PvZ late game would look more like TvZ late game. P would have to rely more or harassment with blink stalkers and warp prisms to abuse the immobility of broodlords. It's pretty safe to say that's alot more exciting to watch than waiting to see if a vortex hits or misses. | ||
Die4Ever
United States17421 Posts
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soon.Cloak
United States983 Posts
wow idra, what are you doing? | ||
Omri
Israel638 Posts
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Die4Ever
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cmen15
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Mithrandror
Belgium85 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:49 Die4Ever wrote: ahahaha god damnit, Idra please win some games... seriously.... =( | ||
DwD
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Chewbacca.
United States3633 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:49 Mithrandror wrote: why the heck are they showing replays? Is it so much to ask to broadcast a live game, so shitty.... How does it possibly make a difference if they are 4 day old replays instead of live games.. | ||
talENTsc
United States36 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:49 Mithrandror wrote: why the heck are they showing replays? Is it so much to ask to broadcast a live game, so shitty.... Does it really affect your viewing experience? | ||
Havik_
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Malkavian183
Turkey227 Posts
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:48 Akash1223 wrote: If there was no vortex, PvZ late game would look more like TvZ late game. P would have to rely more or harassment with blink stalkers and warp prisms to abuse the immobility of broodlords. It's pretty safe to say that's alot more exciting to watch than waiting to see if a vortex hits or misses. Or...you could mass spine crawlers and spore crawlers like IdrA did at his bases and there would be no harassment with blink stalkers and warp prisms. You are apparently blind if you think that was about a vortex hitting or missing...it was about positioning, high ground advantages, taking the Xel'naga towers, slow pushing, delaying, attempting to secure new expansions, etc. Just because you have some stupid, unrealistic vision of how late game should work doesn't mean that wasn't a skill-based and interesting late game. | ||
kakaman
United States1576 Posts
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Hubble
Germany248 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:50 DwD wrote: Idra.. what a joke this guy is. Why do I keep tuning in to his games? I ask me the exactly same question >.> | ||
Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
Amazing show... | ||
below66
United States1761 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:50 Chewbacca. wrote: How does it possibly make a difference if they are 4 day old replays instead of live games.. Some people will find a reason to whine in any situation, ignore them. | ||
enemy2010
Germany1972 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:49 Mithrandror wrote: why the heck are they showing replays? Is it so much to ask to broadcast a live game, so shitty.... Well, do you really find that so important? I don't think it is in this case. Lets just pretend these are live games. I would actually mind it for bigger tournaments. Buy this is more like showmatch. | ||
CryHavok
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dmfg
United Kingdom591 Posts
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Renfield
United States62 Posts
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soon.Cloak
United States983 Posts
for his bm, ofc "TOP....3...CONTROL..." i lol'd at that one | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:49 Mithrandror wrote: why the heck are they showing replays? Is it so much to ask to broadcast a live game, so shitty.... isnt huk in korea? you want him to play at 4:50 a.m.? | ||
TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I don't know, it seems like he's actually gotten worse over the last year... | ||
applejack
France10 Posts
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
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Kodak
United States157 Posts
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:51 soon.Cloak wrote: for his bm, ofc "TOP....3...CONTROL..." i lol'd at that one Yeah it was funny.. but I'd rather watch great games.. heh >< | ||
soon.Cloak
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dAPhREAk
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ski107
United States62 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
eh every now and then i appreciate watching a blowout series if 3-0 sweeps like this didn't happen every so often, then there wouldn't be a skill gap to this game, would there? sometimes i wonder if idra is going to coast his way through his contract then retire when it's up for renewal edit: 4-0 sweeps | ||
mengsk83
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Antithesis
Germany950 Posts
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cOoLiD
Canada168 Posts
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Omri
Israel638 Posts
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Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Hubble
Germany248 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:51 soon.Cloak wrote: for his bm, ofc "TOP....3...CONTROL..." i lol'd at that one His BM is not even entertaining anymore. This is just meh... there are other Zergs out there playing a much more entertaining style and winning more :S | ||
Postman
United States269 Posts
This is just silly, obviously it's not a serious tournament but is he even trying anymore? Edit: If this was Naniwa he'd be crucified. | ||
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ski107
United States62 Posts
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amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
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Mithrandror
Belgium85 Posts
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FreudianTrip
Switzerland1983 Posts
Although it's missing Huk saying 'u 6pol?' | ||
DwD
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Die4Ever
United States17421 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:54 amd098 wrote: id laugh if idra wins this It's possible, 6 pool can be pretty good in ZvP | ||
Dodgin
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soon.Cloak
United States983 Posts
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otgomni
United States33 Posts
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ski107
United States62 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:55 soon.Cloak wrote: is it just me, or does dj sound incredibly dissapointed? Wouldn't you if you had to cast this garbage? | ||
Happystreet
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On April 30 2012 04:55 soon.Cloak wrote: is it just me, or does dj sound incredibly dissapointed? Yeah and it is completly understandable | ||
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Talionis
Scotland4084 Posts
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Fireflies
United Kingdom211 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
Poor djwheat. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:55 soon.Cloak wrote: is it just me, or does dj sound incredibly dissapointed? It's not just you. He is probably thinking to himself: Why the fuck am I wasting my time with this shit?.. | ||
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Derez
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:57 DwD wrote: It's not just you. He is probably thinking to himself: Why the fuck am I wasting my time with this shit?.. It's probably more like "God dammit idra not again " | ||
ski107
United States62 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:58 MrMotionPicture wrote: final score? It will be 4-0. | ||
DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:58 MrMotionPicture wrote: final score? About to be 4-0 | ||
Lunares
United States909 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:58 MrMotionPicture wrote: final score? Most like 4-0 for HuK incl. 2 6 pools by Idra on the 2 biggest maps in the entire map pool | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:00 Lunares wrote: Most like 4-0 for HuK incl. 2 6 pools by Idra on the 2 biggest maps in the entire map pool hahaha what a joke | ||
soon.Cloak
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
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Omri
Israel638 Posts
Lame show here from EG.. | ||
Glurkenspurk
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Happystreet
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Froadac
United States6733 Posts
4-0 for HuK. 0-4 for IdrA GGs. | ||
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ski107
United States62 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:01 Odal wrote: If these are cast from replays, why even show them? The showmatch is pretty much pointless since it was terrible. I wish Idra would actually play the damn game and not give up all the time. Seriously, they gained no benefit from this. I feel bad for wheat. | ||
babybell
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Dodgin
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skyrunner
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
Does this mean that idra is relegated to being an evil midboss now? | ||
BlueyD
Canada437 Posts
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soon.Cloak
United States983 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:01 Omri wrote: Did he GG even once there..? Lame show here from EG.. nope... ...but he did bm! | ||
Mangooze
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Havik_
United States5585 Posts
I'll admit though, those last 2 games were hilarious and game 2 was nice also. | ||
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Kefka.dancingmad
Canada262 Posts
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Die4Ever
United States17421 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:01 Odal wrote: If these are cast from replays, why even show them? The showmatch is pretty much pointless since it was terrible. I wish Idra would actually play the damn game and not give up all the time. lol they should've just rigged it so Idra won a few games | ||
calippo
Sweden2525 Posts
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JitnikoVi
Russian Federation396 Posts
but really 4-0? thats dissapointing, i thought this wouldve at least been somewhat closer | ||
Lunares
United States909 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:01 babybell wrote: This bm is unacceptable, not even funny. Idra should leave the team and retire from progamming. Don't think he should retire but he really needs to be freaking punished/disciplined by his team. | ||
below66
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:01 Odal wrote: If these are cast from replays, why even show them? The showmatch is pretty much pointless since it was terrible. I wish Idra would actually play the damn game and not give up all the time. Nice idea man, EG should have just gone "well Huk won 4-0 and 3 of the games weren't that great so we're just not going to show the matches at all." Seems like a pretty solid move. | ||
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TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point? GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. | ||
yaxv
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talENTsc
United States36 Posts
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FatBat
Germany326 Posts
edit: i mean unacceptable :/ | ||
vnlegend
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Latham
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Like the guy above said, they should have rigged it just so it wouldn't be a 4-0 sweep xD. | ||
ooozer
Germany231 Posts
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Mithrandror
Belgium85 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:04 talENTsc wrote: Orb gets fired from EG for his comments as a normal kid playing the game, yet idra can pull this kind of stuff during legit showmatches promoting the team? Not sure I agree with EG's PR team's decisions. Agree with this 100%. For some reason a lot of people are still a major fan of Idra though and as a consequence he's always left off the hook! | ||
Akash1223
United States91 Posts
On April 30 2012 04:50 Heavenlee wrote: Or...you could mass spine crawlers and spore crawlers like IdrA did at his bases and there would be no harassment with blink stalkers and warp prisms. You are apparently blind if you think that was about a vortex hitting or missing...it was about positioning, high ground advantages, taking the Xel'naga towers, slow pushing, delaying, attempting to secure new expansions, etc. Just because you have some stupid, unrealistic vision of how late game should work doesn't mean that wasn't a skill-based and interesting late game. Yes, because I found the late game uninteresting, that doesn't make it uninteresting...seriously? As if interesting is an objective term. | ||
MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
i mean wtf was he thinking to just throw the last 2 games like that? | ||
Postman
United States269 Posts
Put Idra on the 'B-team' or something. You can't seriously promote a player like that as a star and expect us to keep cheering for EG. | ||
Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
Lose first 2 games trying to play standard, then 6 pool twice in a row to get 4-0'd. Same thing vs Alive :p | ||
amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
cuz more gg = more skill, and idra seems to not want to improve at all | ||
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United States289 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:03 TheAngryZergling wrote: I am disappoint. I won't be cheering for or tuning in for idra until either his results or attitude improve. When he has neither, whats the point? GG Huk. Your code b opponents will fall before you. i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. | ||
VoirDire
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babybell
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:08 Firesilver wrote: Meh. Odd series and was hoping for more. There is nothing odd with IdrA not giving a shit. In every showmatch if he loses the first 2 games he just says fuck it and does stupid shit. | ||
BloodNinja
United States2791 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote: i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. Sounds more like a disenfranchised fan to me. | ||
enemy2010
Germany1972 Posts
IdrA's job is to play this game. He plays it for like 8+ hours a day and for years by now. And he complains about protoss for like forever. And still he doesn't know how to beat it. Maybe he should change his practice schedule...... maybe. | ||
babybell
776 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote: i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude. | ||
otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote: i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away. | ||
Hens
Germany288 Posts
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
It's not funny anymore when leaves games early, 6 pools, and rages. It's not helping your organisation, it's losing viewers and keeping eyes off your sponsers. Try PuMa vs HuK next time and we might see a decent series. | ||
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:05 Akash1223 wrote: Yes, because I found the late game uninteresting, that doesn't make it uninteresting...seriously? As if interesting is an objective term. No, your statement was ignorant because you want something completely different than the game provides and you refuse to look at the positives of that game. How about the positioning of Huk to take that high ground base, the like two minute back and forth battle at the pocket expansion, constant positioning and small trades, attempts to harass and those attempts being shut down, etc? But no, because it wasn't a protoss avoiding fighting an unstoppable late game army by blinking around sniping off unimportant tech structures while broodlords and infestors destroy everything, you find it boring instead of looking at the interesting merits of the actual game. At least with vortexes you can have an actual engagement based on proper positioning and composition, but you want the late game to be blink stalker and warp prism harassment while the protoss is unable to even have a fight with the zerg? Where did I say it was objective? You are allowed to have your opinion, that doesn't make it a good one. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:12 babybell wrote: You're not a fair weather fan when the player you support has been performing terribly for almost a year and you stick with supporting him up until the moment his drop in play is accompanied by disgusting attitude. im sorry, but i have been watching idra for years. if anything, his attitude has improved. so, if his attitude is what keeps you from watching him, you didnt have a clue about him in the first place. On April 30 2012 05:13 otgomni wrote: No, it's someone that is done watching EG.Idra's horseshit. How can you like a player that treats his fans, teammates, and team like trash? You make it seem like it's not-ok to stop cheering for a player because they've done everything possible to push fans away. i wish he would win more, but he is still my favorite because i love his attitude. some people are awesome because of their great "good manners" (sheth, white-ra), but some are awesome because of the opposite (idra). if you dont like his attitude then move on; it is not going to change. eg may force him to hide it at tournaments, but it will never change. | ||
otgomni
United States33 Posts
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Flummie
Netherlands417 Posts
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:02 Lunares wrote: Don't think he should retire but he really needs to be freaking punished/disciplined by his team. I'm disappointed by his bad attitude, but I've just accepted it and just kind of sigh every time I see a match end like this. I used to be a fan, but until he overcomes his mental block, if he ever does, I just don't get too invested in his games. I don't think EG coming down hard on idra will make it change - this sort of thing is what keeps him losing all the time, and EG would much rather he be winning tournaments like he used to. I don't see what punishing him for it will really accomplish. If it really does bother you that much, then stop watching things with idra. Don't even talk about him. If idra stops bringing them in a ton of viewers, EG will be less tolerant of this kind of behavior. Over 10,000 viewers means that EG benefits from Idra's bad reputation. In the meantime, I'll still hold out a sliver of hope that idra can actually get back on top and be able to back up his shit talk again, but until then I'll just be | ||
Fuzzmosis
Canada752 Posts
I'd have to assume he disagrees with that assessment because we don't understand the game like he does or something. Since InControl likes casting with him, why not gently push Idra in that direction? Apparently his desire to play is still questionable. | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote: i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. | ||
otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:16 dAPhREAk wrote: im sorry, but i have been watching idra for years. if anything, his attitude has improved. so, if his attitude is what keeps you from watching him, you didnt have a clue about him in the first place. i wish he would win more, but he is still my favorite because i love his attitude. some people are awesome because of their great "good manners" (sheth, white-ra), but some are awesome because of the opposite (idra). if you dont like his attitude then move on; it is not going to change. eg may force him to hide it at tournaments, but it will never change. Are you kidding? You're blinded by your irrational love of this guy. It's not about his attitude - that really doesn't matter. It's about performance and perception. This guy is paid to do this. Sure his attitude may have improved slightly since your initial viewings, but the level of attention and prestige he continues to receive has grown considerably over the past few years. Yet, as a response, Idra makes it his personal quest to shit all over what "good sportsmanship" stands for. EG promoted this event as if it was a "clash of the titans" event, when it was really huk playing normal and Idra raging and giving up. It's more of an embarrassment to EG than to Idra himself, which is the real shame. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:25 otgomni wrote: Are you kidding? You're blinded by your irrational love of this guy. It's not about his attitude - that really doesn't matter. It's about performance and perception. This guy is paid to do this. Sure his attitude may have improved slightly since your initial viewings, but the level of attention and prestige he continues to receive has grown considerably over the past few years. Yet, as a response, Idra makes it his personal quest to shit all over what "good sportsmanship" stands for. EG promoted this event as if it was a "clash of the titans" event, when it was really huk playing normal and Idra raging and giving up. It's more of an embarrassment to EG than to Idra himself, which is the real shame. what exactly do you find objectionable about his attitude? that he bantered with huk, or that he didn't gg, or something else? | ||
Livelovedie
United States492 Posts
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otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:27 dAPhREAk wrote: what exactly do you find objectionable about his attitude? that he bantered with huk, or that he didn't gg, or something else? You're missing the point. His attitude doesn't matter. It's the fact he can't represent himself, his team, or the sport with any sort of respect or dignity. His actions make EG look worse. It has to do with betraying your benefactors rather than someone in his mid-twenties expressing the attitude of an angsty-teen. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:25 hypercube wrote: If you support Idra no matter what, good for you. But don't call people out just because they abandon him when they realize he has a terrible attitude. as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. | ||
Supah
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otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote: as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game. | ||
Phobbers
773 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote: as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. Yeah =/ times like this make me /facepalm at all the "Idra no win? I no fan!" posts that litter the forums when Greg loses. And as always, through thick and thin, I'll be an Idra fanboy all day erey day. Next time Greg. Next time. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:28 otgomni wrote: You're missing the point. His attitude doesn't matter. It's the fact he can't represent himself, his team, or the sport with any sort of respect or dignity. His actions make EG look worse. It has to do with betraying your benefactors rather than someone in his mid-twenties expressing the attitude of an angsty-teen. idra had a worse attitude before eg took him on. i think it was sirscoots and incontrol who said that. they (EG) got in bed with idra knowing who he is. i think they are more qualified to decide whether he can represent the team. also, incontrol said on the last SOTG that Dreamhack was upset that idra couldnt come because they lost tons of viewers. everything idra touches immediately gets an absurd number of viewers. so, apparently, the sport is doing just fine with idra's "bad" attitude. | ||
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United States7081 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:33 otgomni wrote: You need to analyze the big picture. There's more going on than someone's bitch-fit after losing a game. please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you. | ||
Omri
Israel638 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:32 Supah wrote: So, recap for someone who didn't watch? Game 1 - Huk gets DT, IdrA leaves, no gg. Game 2 - Long macro game on Shakurs, Archon Toilet, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 3 - 6 pool into Hydralisk and Nydus Worm that fails, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 4 - 6 pool.... .... ... no gg.. Huk 4 - 0 IdrA. | ||
Shockk
Germany2269 Posts
The day IdrA will vanish from the scene and the frontpages is the day the community either stops talking about him, or starts to unanimously stop condoning his behaviour. But judging from what we've seen over the last two years of SC2, this won't happen any time soon. But at some point, it will. I don't know much about the metaphysics of advertising; I realize even bad campaigns can eventually pay off, and negative attention can result in profits. But I also know that these things eventually have to end, or your brand becomes a very one-sided thing, unattractive to large parts of the market. It may not matter much (or at all), but I as a potential customer of gaming hardware and accesories (and thus part of the target audience of sponsors) have long since stopped paying attention to anything EG. Say I need some new parts for my machine; I'd actually go so far as to choose a certain brand because they support Sheth, WhiteRa, Marineking, Socke .. you know, decent people, with a certain investment in their community. But I couldn't care less about EG. Because, quite frankly, they keep supporting the biggest annoyance in all of the western community. | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote: as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. Well, lots of fans are a little delusional about their favourite player. Maybe he used to think Idra cared about improving and becoming the best first and the BM and the attitude was mostly for show. | ||
otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:36 dAPhREAk wrote: please explain the big picture that i am missing. then, explain to me why you are more qualified to make these decisions than EG's management, tournament organizers, sponsors, etc. because they arent agreeing with you. All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship at a fundamental level? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal. | ||
udgnim
United States8024 Posts
it keeps him exposed to the SC2 community because his play isn't good enough to maintain relevance next time Idra streams, he'll get 10K+ viewers. his concurrent viewership always spikes up when he BMs or is involved in some type of controversy | ||
Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:44 eYeball wrote: Not really fun series to watch tbh, not worth it. Better watch MC vs Stephano at IPL Was a much better series. Watching the MC/Stephano respect grow through the games was nice as well. | ||
Brotatoes23
United States67 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:43 udgnim wrote: BM/controversy is +EV for Idra it keeps him exposed to the SC2 community because his play isn't good enough to maintain relevance next time Idra streams, he'll get 10K+ viewers. his concurrent viewership always spikes up when he BMs or is involved in some type of controversy He's streaming now! 4k viewers. | ||
below66
United States1761 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:42 otgomni wrote: All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal. Yea, he just shit-talks the game and has a vibe around him like he doesn't even enjoy playing it, dude needs to fix his whole aura and approach to the game, and take notes from stephano's ZvP. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:42 otgomni wrote: All I'm saying is you seem to think that, if someone doesn't like Idra it's because they don't like his attitude. It's more than that. It's because he treats all aspects of the sport like they are below him, including his fans and his team. How can you call someone a fair-weather fan doesn't agree with his view of sportsmanship? It's bigger than his shit attitude - it's his entire approach to the game. If you think this doesn't have an effect with viewership or purchasing power, especially with the increase in exposure in general and "seriousness" taken to e-Sports as an industry, you're mistaken. But that's fine. Keep supporting someone that shits in your cereal. i dont think that people only dislike him because of his attitude. nor have i said that in this thread. there are plenty of reasons to dislike him, and his attitude is only one of them. what i said was that his attitude hasn't changed in the last four years that i have been following him. so, dont say you (figuratively of course) are no longer his fan because of his attitude, because his attitude has not changed since i started watching him four or so years ago. i expect idra to "shit in my cereal," so when he does it, im not surprised. if you are his fan expecting him not to "shit in your cereal" then you are a fan of someone that idra is not (nor has he ever been). | ||
hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:29 dAPhREAk wrote: as i said above, his attitude has likely not changed in the past two years (and more likely), and, if anything, it has improved. so, abandoning him for having a bad attitude makes no sense. people abandon him when he fails to win; that is, by definition, a fair weather fan. His attitude didn't change. Some former fans' perception of his attitude has. | ||
JamSam
United Kingdom50 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2010 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:36 Omri wrote: Game 1 - Huk gets DT, IdrA leaves, no gg. Game 2 - Long macro game on Shakurs, Archon Toilet, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 3 - 6 pool into Hydralisk and Nydus Worm that fails, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 4 - 6 pool.... .... ... no gg.. Huk 4 - 0 IdrA. Amazing. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:49 hypercube wrote: His attitude didn't change. Some former fans' perception of his attitude has. fair enough. | ||
negativedge
4276 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:17 Flummie wrote: It's like IdrA doesn't care anymore. He is either going to raceswap or quit playing alltogether it seems. If he doesn't want to quit, he should be forced to. He doesn't like the game, doesn't like the fans, doesn't like the players, doesn't know how to compete, has no interest in winning, and represents esports poorly. His continued popularity is a blight on the community, and the gigantic support community of EG, the tournaments, the sponsors, and the fans makes the whole esports endavor look amateurish. You can have a personality. You can't do what idra does. | ||
otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:47 dAPhREAk wrote: i dont think that people only dislike him because of his attitude. nor have i said that in this thread. there are plenty of reasons to dislike him, and his attitude is only one of them. what i said was that his attitude hasn't changed in the last four years that i have been following him. so, dont say you (figuratively of course) are no longer his fan because of his attitude, because his attitude has not changed since i started watching him four or so years ago. i expect idra to "shit in my cereal," so when he does it, im not surprised. if you are his fan expecting him not to "shit in your cereal" then you are a fan of someone that idra is not (nor has he ever been). I guess that settles the argument. I have simply underestimated your obsession with Greg Fields and the persona he projects. Still, I'm left wondering how someone can appreciate someone that doesn't appreciate them, but that's a question that cannot be answered here. | ||
Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
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Phobbers
773 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:49 hypercube wrote: His attitude didn't change. Some former fans' perception of his attitude has. I'd say his attitude has changed, especially during that string in 2011 where he won an IEM, the Asus Invite, and had an amazing run at MLG Orlando. But, I feel it's changed BACK to what it used to be. It's sad as a fan to see, but that is what being a fan is about. Sticking through when it's rough, always looking at the future and hoping that Greg will release the mother fucking Gracken again. | ||
Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:36 Omri wrote: Game 1 - Huk gets DT, IdrA leaves, no gg. Game 2 - Long macro game on Shakurs, Archon Toilet, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 3 - 6 pool into Hydralisk and Nydus Worm that fails, Idra leaves, no gg. Game 4 - 6 pool.... .... ... no gg.. Huk 4 - 0 IdrA. So he did exactly what he did vs Alive? | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:53 otgomni wrote: I guess that settles the argument. I have simply underestimated your obsession with Greg Fields and the persona he projects. Still, I'm left wondering how someone can appreciate someone that doesn't appreciate them, but that's a question that cannot be answered here. lol. im not obsessed with idra. i dont have posters of him on my walls, i dont subscribe to his twitter/fan club, etc. when i see he is playing, i watch because i find him interesting. i watch ITG because i love to hear his and the other members' opinions. they are entertaining. and let me tell you exactly why i "appreciate him:" i like his "i dont give a shit attitude." that includes him not giving a shit about me. if you want a player to act like he is your best friend, thats cool, thats your thing. but its not mine. i think people take this whole esports thing way too seriously and i like it when someone comes in and says "i dont give a shit" like idra. | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
it wasn't exactly a throw-away since huk is greedy, and six pool isnt as fail against a p as a t, but it was still weak to see. his second game was amazing; he just decided not to give us another in the third or fourth. | ||
Darothane
United Kingdom16 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:44 otgomni wrote: Was a much better series. Watching the MC/Stephano respect grow through the games was nice as well. do you have links to VODS? I looked on youtube but couldn't find them :/ | ||
otgomni
United States33 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:02 Darothane wrote: do you have links to VODS? I looked on youtube but couldn't find them :/ The games were played last night and they aired the replay today on IPLStream for the EU crowd. I imagine the VODs will be available over the next few days through their site. It's typically 8 hours after airing but I don't know IPL's schedule. | ||
DreamChaser
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:02 Darothane wrote: do you have links to VODS? I looked on youtube but couldn't find them :/ Here you are. http://www.twitch.tv/ignproleague/b/316504828 | ||
MintPanda
United Kingdom19 Posts
This is all good for stirring up some excitement and hype for him and the game (such as the rivalry between IdrA and MC/Huk), but that's only when he's actually performing decently. Once he starts to sink into a slump and stay there, you will definitely start seeing a sharp decline in his viewership. Let's face it, he's raged all the time about how "silly" the other races are and how "easy" it is to just cheese, and in these games he's done nothing to back up anything he's said before, and he's turning into a cheesy scrub. | ||
Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:09 DreamChaser wrote: I think of IdrA like that kid on the (Insert sport) team who was mediocre but threw huge fits when ever he lost and no one really liked playing against him because if you won he would just throw a tantrum but if you lost he would gloat about it. Most of the time the other people hate him/her and stopped playing against them but for whatever reason it seems IdrA fans are still IdrA fans. I think there is two reason. First he is an American zerg and not many of those around. Second reason are his BM. For some reason people like to see that. But his days as a competive player are pretty much gone. I dont expect much off him. The game have evolved so much and Idra simply not good enough anymore. He lacks unit control and his decision and game awareness are awefull. Compare him to the new super zerg on the NA scene aka Scarlet and you can see if you watch there games closely that she is actually ahead of idra. But thats Esport for you old players fall new players rise. | ||
La1
United Kingdom654 Posts
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I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW
22 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote: they (EG) got in bed with idra knowing who he is. i think they are more qualified to decide whether he can represent the team. What makes you say that? Looks like an appeal to authority to me. On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote: also, incontrol said on the last SOTG that Dreamhack was upset that idra couldnt come because they lost tons of viewers. everything idra touches immediately gets an absurd number of viewers. so, apparently, the sport is doing just fine with idra's "bad" attitude. I haven't followed the scene intently as of late, so I don't know whether or not this still holds, but Idra's games never fail to disappoint me. It's like he's playing with the mindset that he's going to ragequit the instant he encounters any adversity. I can safely say that Idra's participation in any tournament has made the viewing experience less enjoyable for me, mainly because most of Idra's games consist of an insipid period, most often followed by a silly mistake on Idra's part, and finally the optional whining and bitching followed by the ragequit. Also, just for the record, I don't really care about how many people watch SC2, I care about the quality of the games. Now that I think about it, that's really all I care about when it comes to watching SC2. Needless to say, I think the quality of games involving Idra is really bad. | ||
SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:27 I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW wrote: What makes you say that? Looks like an appeal to authority to me. I haven't followed the scene intently as of late, so I don't know whether or not this still holds, but Idra's games never fail to disappoint me. It's like he's playing with the mindset that he's going to ragequit the instant he encounters any adversity. I can safely say that Idra's participation in any tournament has made the viewing experience less enjoyable for me, mainly because most of Idra's games consist of an insipid period, most often followed by a silly mistake on Idra's part, and finally the optional whining and bitching followed by the ragequit. Also, just for the record, I don't really care about how many people watch SC2, I care about the quality of the games. Now that I think about it, that's really all I care about when it comes to watching SC2. Needless to say, I think the quality of games involving Idra is really bad. Yea, players like Idra don't produce good games because they give up at the first sign of adversity. Some of the greatest comebacks in BW were remembered as such because those players never gave up. Some are even made fun of (Fantasy GG timing) but in the end the games are much more entertaining because you know the players are giving it everything they have to win the game instead of leaving when things *start* to go bad | ||
dAPhREAk
Nauru12396 Posts
On April 30 2012 06:27 I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW wrote: What makes you say that? Looks like an appeal to authority to me. I haven't followed the scene intently as of late, so I don't know whether or not this still holds, but Idra's games never fail to disappoint me. It's like he's playing with the mindset that he's going to ragequit the instant he encounters any adversity. I can safely say that Idra's participation in any tournament has made the viewing experience less enjoyable for me, mainly because most of Idra's games consist of an insipid period, most often followed by a silly mistake on Idra's part, and finally the optional whining and bitching followed by the ragequit. Also, just for the record, I don't really care about how many people watch SC2, I care about the quality of the games. Now that I think about it, that's really all I care about when it comes to watching SC2. Needless to say, I think the quality of games involving Idra is really bad. you dont think the team managers are better qualified to determine what is best for the team than a random forum poster? i'm not sure i need to qualify that statement with anything more. idra's games lately have not been "bad." they have been utter shit (at least what i have seen). i don't think he is going to go on ITG and say "im playing the best i have been doing in years." so, i will continue to support him and when he comes back to his glory, i will be there rooting for him. if he doesnt then it will be upsetting, but life goes on and i wish all the best to him. | ||
IMLyte
Canada714 Posts
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System42
172 Posts
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Penecks
United States600 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:05 System42 wrote: this shit is not a rivalry Idra was just talking to huk and being all nice to him on his stream when he got a game against him there managers told them to do this so if you think oh idras being bm to huk because they have a rivalry your stupid. they dont anymore so dont think they do they told idra to say stuff like that. Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if they're just keeping up appearances, I mean let's face it Idra attracts a lot of viewers that hardly care about his gameplay, they just want to see BM or drama. Since the Orb debacle Idra can't really go around calling people "faggots" or some other endearing terms he liked to use, but he has to keep up some of the BM appearances from the past, so I'm not very surprised at how this went. If Idra won 4 - 2 or something we wouldn't even be here anymore speaking about it. I doubt Idra the "real" person would go out of his way to be BM to a teammate if there was no other motive. | ||
TheAngryZergling
United States387 Posts
On April 30 2012 05:08 dAPhREAk wrote: i think thats the definition of a fair weather fan. i will root for idra regardless because i just like him. I like what I perceive to be the guy hidden behind the idra persona. I think he is a very smart, articulate player and I still will tune into his stream when I have the chance to watch streams and Sheth isn't streaming. But being someone who is very possessive of the time they have on this earth, I don't want to be left with the same sensation of wasted time after tuning into a competitive match of his as I have so repeatedly. I honestly wish him the best and hope his results improve, but until I start hearing a more balanced ratio of tales about his brilliant play in this or that competition to tales of his disappointing efforts, my time will be spent elsewhere. Having a few dozen more hours well spent is certainly worth being labelled a fair weather fan of my 2nd favorite NA zerg. | ||
Nimic
Norway1360 Posts
If this doesn't have any consequences for Idra, something is rotten in the state of EG. I expect he'll be getting a talking to, though. | ||
paschl
Germany666 Posts
Nowadays this doesnt seem to be the case. But i get it, idra has his place in the community. Next to incontrol, people who arent mainly popular for unbelievable skills but more for their likeable/controversial personalities. Im looking forward to see the idra/cruncher rivality come up again. | ||
Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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tetrismaan
Denmark302 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:58 Bagration wrote: Publicity is publicity, and now everyone is talking about Idra and EG. Now everyone is paying attention to the tournament and curious about what happened. Exactly. I think all this crap was to put on a show to get more attention because EG isn't winning shit these days. | ||
ddinoboy
United States6 Posts
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I_PROTOSSED_MY_HW
22 Posts
dAPhREAk wrote: you dont think the team managers are better qualified to determine what is best for the team than a random forum poster? i'm not sure i need to qualify that statement with anything more. I already pointed out that this is a logical fallacy. I'm confused, are you trolling me? Also, I must make a distinction: While contracting Idra might be "best for the team" (quotes because of the ambiguity of 'best'), it is detrimental to the scene as a whole due to the perpetual subpar quality of his games. --- I'm not saying that he shouldn't be allowed to play because he plays bad (compared to other professional players, of course), I'm saying that he shouldn't be allowed to play because his outward appearance is that of someone who is looking for the first possible excuse to surrender. Over the years, Idra has displayed an aptitude for misreading the state of the games he's played, resulting in him leaving when he is ahead or slightly behind. This makes his continued premature ragequits even more puzzling to me, as most other people would probably think something along the lines of "I know I'm bad at calculating who's ahead, so I'll stick around until I can confirm with 100 % certainty that I lost the game". Watching a game with Idra in it is like watching 50 % of another game featuring two professional players, the other 50 % being omitted because Idra would have left long before the game was decided. Before somebody replies to this specific paragraph, I'd like to point out that you don't need to be a progamer to open a replay and check the unit/income/production/etc. tabs, look around the map and to some degree ascertain the state of the game. All that said, I wouldn't have anything against Idra if he just tried. He ought to, seeing as it's what he gets paid for. Being behind is not the same as having lost the game. | ||
RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
I can't believe I watch this series. | ||
goofankle
United States22 Posts
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Chylo
United States220 Posts
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
On April 30 2012 09:09 Chylo wrote: Haha, I thought this was a great series. I tuned in and got exactly what I expected. There's dozens of other streams if you want "serious" play. With Idra it's guaranteed entertainment. What could be more fun than trying to call out exactly when he's going to quit the game? Great series, didn't take all day, supremely entertaining and hilarious. Watching people play long drawn out games that have been over for 10 minutes and watching them say gg is boring. Watching rage quits all day, now that's worth watching. Personally I'm not even interested in PvZ, but if I saw a couple swear words go back and forth, it would have been worth it. To me, Idra is almost like the bruiser at hockey games. It certainly would be nice if he could play really well, but as long as there some rowdy drama, good entertainment will be had. Sadly, today we had to settle for a few rage quits. Kudos to Huk for not holding back any punches. | ||
Jaegeru
United Kingdom676 Posts
He's obviously shown a lack of respect for his Organisations showmatch basically spitting in all of their sponsors faces and their fans, EG should really get rid of Idra and replace him with somebody that actually gives a shit and can actually produce some results by winning tournaments. This kind of shit he does wouldn't be accepted in the Korean community so why should the foreign community accept it, just look at naniwa when he threw his match vs nestea in the blizzard cup. edit for Grammar. | ||
Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:58 Bagration wrote: Publicity is publicity, and now everyone is talking about Idra and EG. Now everyone is paying attention to the tournament and curious about what happened. Yep. -.- Also, even though HuK won this, I think IdrA might be a more evil genius. | ||
BazookaBenji
United States19 Posts
"Punk" | ||
Vegetable Thins
Canada5 Posts
He should have been able to take game 3, but he didn't scout at all... Was a fun series to watch overall though, and has generated a lot of hype. GG's ^.^ | ||
UBavarice
Sweden358 Posts
If IdrA plays badly his actual fans will most likely get less and less interested, and with that he may "fade away", as some people like to put it. But if a shit storm ensues every time he "throws" a meaningless match like this one, he becomes even more indispensable for EG from a PR point of view. So act like adults and just leave IdrA be if you don't appreciate his attitude/sportsmanship/professionalism. | ||
Chewbacca.
United States3633 Posts
On April 30 2012 09:54 Jaegeru wrote: This was such a massive let down. Evil Geniuses really should do something about Idra and his attitude, Orb was fired for what he said yet this shit happens all the time with Idra and all he gets is a slap on the wrist. He's obviously shown a lack of respect for his Organisations showmatch basically spitting in all of their sponsors faces and their fans, EG should really get rid of Idra and replace him with somebody that actually gives a shit and can actually produce some results by winning tournaments. This kind of shit he does wouldn't be accepted in the Korean community so why should the foreign community accept it, just look at naniwa when he threw his match vs nestea in the blizzard cup. edit for Grammar. So what...is the entire world supposed to model itself to act like how the Korean community acts...? | ||
Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On April 30 2012 10:01 BazookaBenji wrote: I just want to point out one thing: HuK and Idra are Team mates. Idra didnt even GG most of the games...I think idra sets a bad example for the Esports community. We have all had our fair share of nerd rage and outbursts in our lives, but i think we all can agree that we should strive towards maturity and well..things like a GG. Also i want to point out Generally the LOOSER says "GG" First because the WINNER played a Good Game vs them. Idra won't even give congrats to his own team mates for playing well.......we have a name for people like that where im from it's two parts but i'll just say the first "Punk" It has nothing to do with nerd rage, at all. He has stated multiple times that he doesn't feel GG =/= good or bad mannered. I doubt Huk cared at all, nor did IdrA. On April 30 2012 09:54 Jaegeru wrote:This kind of shit he does wouldn't be accepted in the Korean community so why should the foreign community accept it, just look at naniwa when he threw his match vs nestea in the blizzard cup. edit for Grammar. ...? Koreans have no problems with IdrA and he's been in Korea far longer than any other foreigner overall when you factor in the time he spent at eStro and CJ. | ||
Stonedviper
74 Posts
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Abort Retry Fail
2636 Posts
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
On April 30 2012 11:20 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Cant believe I missed this. Any vods? I don't think you missed much.. t_t | ||
amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
On April 30 2012 11:20 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Cant believe I missed this. Any vods? sure, this is all you need to know about those games + Show Spoiler + EG.IdrA has left the game! x4 | ||
Carbonthief
United States289 Posts
On April 30 2012 11:20 Abort Retry Fail wrote: Cant believe I missed this. Any vods? You didn't miss anything. The only game remotely worth watching is game 2. It's not there yet, but it will be here eventually. http://mostevil.evilgeniuses.net/Tournament/Vods/ There is a huk vs idra series there right now but it's the old one. | ||
TheRedViper
United States22 Posts
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keindo
8 Posts
reference threads: IdrA vs. Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=309773 further discussion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=314767 | ||
ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On April 30 2012 11:59 amd098 wrote: sure, this is all you need to know about those games + Show Spoiler + EG.IdrA has left the game! x4 I don't even understand why my brain is still interested in idra. Scumbag brain likes being dissapointed. | ||
Grimmyman123
Canada939 Posts
At the same time, no surprise that HuK won. Idra wasn't even a challenging. In fact, pathetic is the word that comes to mind. I really did expect better play, not just 2x 6 pools. I guess the real dissapointment for me was that when Idra lost, he just left the game, he didn't even GG to his team mate. DJ Wheat was decent as a caster. Not my personal favorite though, I've never been a big fan of his style, but he did well enough. A caster can make a one sided huk smashing only so entertaining and exciting. | ||
DrHiggins
United States26 Posts
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mawno
Sweden114 Posts
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INTOtheVOID
United States225 Posts
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4ZakeN87
Sweden1071 Posts
If I was Idra I would consider taking a break. | ||
RandomPlayer
Russian Federation363 Posts
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holyfist
4 Posts
HUK didn't win this games, Idra defeated himself. | ||
plutonowy
Afghanistan287 Posts
i will not tune in but GL HF | ||
Djabanete
United States2783 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18069 Posts
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Meiya
Australia1169 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On April 30 2012 23:29 HeeroFX wrote: Idra has stated he doesn't like show matches at all. And I don't think this tournament was really gonna matter if he won it and? I guess this is him saying "haha team managers! you think you can make me play a showmatch? haha fans, you think you get to see me play huk? well I DONT WANNA LOL!!!" | ||
Jarvs
Australia639 Posts
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ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
On April 30 2012 17:09 mawno wrote: Shitty games. If Idra doesn't care about showmatches why does he keep playing them? Um money? lol... What happened to IdrA? He use to be the great foreigner hope and now he won't even show up and play... maybe he needs a break from SC2 or something. He just doesn't even seem to care anymore at all, and it really shows. | ||
Amornthep
Singapore2605 Posts
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TheMiddl
Germany9 Posts
they realy played realy realy bad.. Huk with 1000000 mistakes and idra just bad as fuck.. | ||
KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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MrTortoise
1388 Posts
By the sounds of it probably would of been a waste of time anyway | ||
kafkaesque
Germany2006 Posts
IdrA has been a cancer in this community from the start, perpetuating the perception that having bad manners will get you recognized. There are so many better players who aren't afraid to speak their minds, but are still respectful towards their opponents and these are the players we should rally behind, not the ones who disrespect their fellow competitors, insult their fans and generally display a mean spirited attitude. We shouldn't give that much attention to players whose only recent accomplishment is being an arse. | ||
Calvin[Deck]
Denmark88 Posts
I feel sorry for EG because i like that they try to put on some content and attention, and show matches are a part of it. I feel sorry for Idra for not growing up, and not showing his best game. Perhaps he does really not like Huk, or ZvP for that matter, but it is no excuse for not showing his best performance, even if he loose. | ||
Loes
Canada115 Posts
On April 30 2012 11:19 Stonedviper wrote: It's my belief that everyone watches Idra for the same reason people watch Nascar, for the massive fireballs and explosions that happen every so often. you sir are a genius. | ||
knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
Also, despite what you all say, IdrA still produces entertaining games very frequently even if he's on the losing end. Back to back 6 pool is just what makes IdrA IdrA. Without the things like that he would be just like any other boring mediocre pro zerg. | ||
Tanag
Canada204 Posts
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Seaweed
United States48 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:49 knOxStarcraft wrote: IdrA just thinks his opponents are better than they are. I saw a game of him vs alicia and idra was destryong alicia but he lost because he waited way too long to attack then got archon toileted. And this bad attitude that you all like bitching about so much is what makes IdrA so fun to watch. You never know what he might say and it's always fun watching him leave games with no gg. People love drama in the sc2 community and that's what IdrA provides, so stop bitching about it and appreciate it because it brings viewers and grows the community. Also, despite what you all say, IdrA still produces entertaining games very frequently even if he's on the losing end. Back to back 6 pool is just what makes IdrA IdrA. Without the things like that he would be just like any other boring mediocre pro zerg. Right on. Its also obvious that IdrA was just showing some brotherly love towards HuK by teasing him, as DJWheat stated during the games. | ||
Viking182
Italy27 Posts
On May 01 2012 04:52 Tanag wrote: Does anyone know if the replays are available from this event? http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/316597888 | ||
radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On May 01 2012 03:36 kafkaesque wrote: I take some pleasure in this. IdrA has been a cancer in this community from the start, perpetuating the perception that having bad manners will get you recognized. There are so many better players who aren't afraid to speak their minds, but are still respectful towards their opponents and these are the players we should rally behind, not the ones who disrespect their fellow competitors, insult their fans and generally display a mean spirited attitude. We shouldn't give that much attention to players whose only recent accomplishment is being an arse. haha, but the perception is true. Why else do you think thousands of viewers watch idra when he streams?? If I remember correctly its usually around the 10k mark. Secondly I don't think he's mean spirited at all. The main thing he doesn't do is "gg" at the end of the game, which is generally irrelevant and can easily be interpreted as him leaving in anger rather than intentionally disrespecting his opponent (if you played SC2 you'd know, sometimes it hard to type after a brutal game). Not to mention that its a logical fallacy to interpret that negatively, but I won't get into that. And from the comments he rarely makes, they could easily be interpreted as Idra joking around (he does live in the same house as Huk does, being on the same team, making it hard to believe he intentionally tries to be hostile). We also know from interviews that he respects huk and jokes around with him too. It makes a whole lot more sense to just understand Idra as being frustrated and going for simpler builds because of that. Although I think with a little different control the 6 pool could have worked out quite well. | ||
Tanag
Canada204 Posts
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StrafeJD
United States39 Posts
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texmix
United States106 Posts
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Zooper31
United States5709 Posts
On May 01 2012 10:08 StrafeJD wrote: Idra should get some punishment for not GGing, even if he is just going against his teammate. It's just not fun for me to watch somebody rage, not GG, and then 6 pool two games straight. You don't have to GG and you shouldn't be punished for not doing so. If you want to make it a rule then do it. If you don't, then be quiet and choose not the watch Idra then. Stop complaining about somebody who you expect to do something outside of their norm. | ||
TrisOD
United States12 Posts
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GiggleParade
United States3 Posts
On May 01 2012 10:13 texmix wrote: saying gg is so cliche that it no longer has meaning. Get over it, community. I always thought of it more as common courtesy. | ||
ePdeLay
Australia220 Posts
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Mitsuz
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
He doesn't care about his fan base Well ,not a problem, I don't give a fuck to him, I just like to watch him rage. But...if he doesn't care about me, I won't disable adblock for him. Only for whitera and destiny it happened. For all the others, when they will prove to be people who actually care about their fans, I shall do the same. I just watch his stream to see his face when he gets wiped off the map. I bet that if he would remove his face from the stream, no one would watch it. | ||
Embir
Poland567 Posts
On May 01 2012 11:36 Zooper31 wrote: You don't have to GG and you shouldn't be punished for not doing so. If you want to make it a rule then do it. If you don't, then be quiet and choose not the watch Idra then. Stop complaining about somebody who you expect to do something outside of their norm. This. I am fucking tired of persons saying GG and GL HF are important and are sign of being polite. Guess what? It is not. I don't give a rat's ass if someone "gg" or "gl hf" me and I never assume this is a sign of bad manners - I think a lot of progamers think the same. Besides, Good Luck, Have Fun is a dumb sentence - I dont really care if my opponent have fun or not, he plays this game so it is logical that he likes this games and plays for pleasure, and lets face it no one wants his opponent to be lucky, you want luck to be on your side. Fact that previous generation of gamers used this sentences, doesnt mean people should use it now. I deliberately don't use them. | ||
Shottaz
United Kingdom414 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:14 Embir wrote: This. I am fucking tired of persons saying GG and GL HF are important and are sign of being polite. Guess what? It is not. I don't give a rat's ass if someone "gg" or "gl hf" me and I never assume this is a sign of bad manners - I think a lot of progamers think the same. Besides, Good Luck, Have Fun is a dumb sentence - I dont really care if my opponent have fun or not, he plays this game so it is logical that he likes this games and plays for pleasure, and lets face it no one wants his opponent to be lucky, you want luck to be on your side. Fact that previous generation of gamers used this sentences, doesnt mean people should use it now. I deliberately don't use them. You are entitled to your view by all means, but the community generally accepts glhf's and gg's. By not doing so, you are sometimes perceived as someone who is saying 'I hope you don't have good luck and don't care if you have fun'... which is what you just said anyway. If someone said that to me before a game of anything, I wouldn't be playing a game with them in the first place. For show or not, I think Idra should have gg'd his teammate. Just because the 'new generation' doesn't get it doesn't make it the norm or acceptable. | ||
coReY425
Denmark86 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:14 Embir wrote: This. I am fucking tired of persons saying GG and GL HF are important and are sign of being polite. Guess what? It is not. I don't give a rat's ass if someone "gg" or "gl hf" me and I never assume this is a sign of bad manners - I think a lot of progamers think the same. Besides, Good Luck, Have Fun is a dumb sentence - I dont really care if my opponent have fun or not, he plays this game so it is logical that he likes this games and plays for pleasure, and lets face it no one wants his opponent to be lucky, you want luck to be on your side. Fact that previous generation of gamers used this sentences, doesnt mean people should use it now. I deliberately don't use them. I agree, especially on ladder. If Im losing, Im angry. Bad manners is gging when youre winning, or typing stuff like "too ez". Even manner mules are insanely more bad mannered then not typing gg for the rest of your life, and people seem to think its fine and hillarious. I get that progamers know each other and its no big deal that they mannermule, but its still way, way, way more bm then not gging a random on ladder. | ||
klitschKO
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Savant
United States379 Posts
Maybe he behaves like this just to maintain his image for other reasons, but we've seen him give up important games too often for it to just be a show. | ||
Genome852
United States979 Posts
On May 01 2012 22:12 coReY425 wrote: I get that progamers know each other and its no big deal that they mannermule, but its still way, way, way more bm then not gging a random on ladder. Why, because you think so? | ||
Embir
Poland567 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:50 Shottaz wrote: You are entitled to your view by all means, but the community generally accepts glhf's and gg's. By not doing so, you are sometimes perceived as someone who is saying 'I hope you don't have good luck and don't care if you have fun'... which is what you just said anyway. If someone said that to me before a game of anything, I wouldn't be playing a game with them in the first place. For show or not, I think Idra should have gg'd his teammate. Just because the 'new generation' doesn't get it doesn't make it the norm or acceptable. First off I said i don't care if my opponent have fun or luck during game, nowhere i said that I hope for lack of fun or bad luck for them - especially in context of fun it would be stupid, so don't put unspoken words in my mouth. I just focus on my play, the rest is absolutely not important for me - it is all it means. Secondly, as I understand from your post in ladder games if someone don't gl hf you, you just leave the game? Thirdly, during my ladder sessions about 40% of my opponents use gg, gl, hf, the rest of them not - so i assume it is not as commonly acceptable norm. Moreover many times i had nice little talks after games with guys who never spoken to me during match, and they were completely fine and nice - I never felt lack of gg, hf and gl indicates any bad manners. On the contrary many guys who used gl hf were the most whining and bad mannered gamers, after losing games. And lastly, paraphrasing your words, fact that previous generation of gamers used gl hf, gg doesnt make it norm or acceptable. | ||
LayZRR
Germany449 Posts
would like to see all of the tournament from most evil genius. but theres no liquipedia site as far as i can tell. and VODS pls | ||
sick_transit
United States195 Posts
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Lunchador
United States776 Posts
On April 30 2012 07:58 Bagration wrote: Publicity is publicity, and now everyone is talking about Idra and EG. Now everyone is paying attention to the tournament and curious about what happened. EG's been well-known since forever now, so I highly doubt that the publicity they're looking for today is negative publicity! | ||
zalem95
Peru183 Posts
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JoFritzMD
Australia163 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:14 Embir wrote: This. I am fucking tired of persons saying GG and GL HF are important and are sign of being polite. Guess what? It is not. I don't give a rat's ass if someone "gg" or "gl hf" me and I never assume this is a sign of bad manners - I think a lot of progamers think the same. Besides, Good Luck, Have Fun is a dumb sentence - I dont really care if my opponent have fun or not, he plays this game so it is logical that he likes this games and plays for pleasure, and lets face it no one wants his opponent to be lucky, you want luck to be on your side. Fact that previous generation of gamers used this sentences, doesnt mean people should use it now. I deliberately don't use them. I don't care if they don't 'gg' because I know if they don't 'gg' it means they're mad. | ||
Daitakk
77 Posts
Idra is currently doing a streaming marathon, on the 1st of May. Looks like hes trying to burn through his monthly contractual obligation to stream in order to spite the management. Either that or hes being made stream to compensate shitting all over their "tournament". Speculation is fun. | ||
Ryder.
1117 Posts
Check out the 2012 Australian Open Berdych vs Almagro, one of them (forgot who) refused to shake hands with the other at the end of the game, and (IMO rightfully) was booed off the court because of it. If you want eSports to be taken seriously stop acting like immature children, thinking that refusing to show sportsmanship is ok in a professional setting just because you're angry. Obviously when Joe Blow is playing on the ladder who gives a shit if he doesn't gg, but in a professional match where you are expected to be taken seriously, don't act like a spoilt kid and just say it. If you guys want eSports to have a degree of credibility then make an effort. Edit: Being angry is no excuse, if Federer/Nadal/Any decent tennis player can manage to shake hands after losing the championship of a grand slam with over a million dollar first prize place, then I'm sure progamers can put their emotions on hold for a minute and gg after losing a show match :/ | ||
homerPimpson
Canada3 Posts
On May 02 2012 19:02 Ryder. wrote: I don't get why people think not saying gg and gl hf in tournaments is acceptable. It doesn't matter whether it was a good game, or whether you want them to have fun, it is a sign of sportsmanship that is a replacement for a handshake (obviously because of the medium that eSports is run on). Check out the 2012 Australian Open Berdych vs Almagro, one of them (forgot who) refused to shake hands with the other at the end of the game, and (IMO rightfully) was booed off the court because of it. If you want eSports to be taken seriously stop acting like immature children, thinking that refusing to show sportsmanship is ok in a professional setting just because you're angry. Obviously when Joe Blow is playing on the ladder who gives a shit if he doesn't gg, but in a professional match where you are expected to be taken seriously, don't act like a spoilt kid and just say it. If you guys want eSports to have a degree of credibility then make an effort. Edit: Being angry is no excuse, if Federer/Nadal/Any decent tennis player can manage to shake hands after losing the championship of a grand slam with over a million dollar first prize place, then I'm sure progamers can put their emotions on hold for a minute and gg after losing a show match :/ I like how you're telling fans of eSports to stop acting like immature children when most of the fanbase are teenagers in high school. Keep shooting for the moon though. | ||
Fogetaboudit
United States232 Posts
On May 02 2012 19:02 Ryder. wrote: I don't get why people think not saying gg and gl hf in tournaments is acceptable. It doesn't matter whether it was a good game, or whether you want them to have fun, it is a sign of sportsmanship that is a replacement for a handshake (obviously because of the medium that eSports is run on). Check out the 2012 Australian Open Berdych vs Almagro, one of them (forgot who) refused to shake hands with the other at the end of the game, and (IMO rightfully) was booed off the court because of it. If you want eSports to be taken seriously stop acting like immature children, thinking that refusing to show sportsmanship is ok in a professional setting just because you're angry. Obviously when Joe Blow is playing on the ladder who gives a shit if he doesn't gg, but in a professional match where you are expected to be taken seriously, don't act like a spoilt kid and just say it. If you guys want eSports to have a degree of credibility then make an effort. Edit: Being angry is no excuse, if Federer/Nadal/Any decent tennis player can manage to shake hands after losing the championship of a grand slam with over a million dollar first prize place, then I'm sure progamers can put their emotions on hold for a minute and gg after losing a show match :/ this | ||
Gustis
Lithuania70 Posts
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sidonelis
Lithuania58 Posts
On May 03 2012 01:57 Gustis wrote: who won? Friendship | ||
ChosenBrad1322
United States562 Posts
On May 03 2012 01:57 Gustis wrote: who won? lol... HuK won. | ||
MaV_gGSC
Canada1345 Posts
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panman05
United States2 Posts
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Mr. Black
United States470 Posts
ez, offensive gg, fuck you, things orb used to say, etc. = bad manner no glhf, no gg = no manner Good manner means that you care about showing your respect to your opponent. It's like holding off on a fart in the elevator filled with your co-workers. Bad manner means that you want to show disrespect. It's like making eye-contact in the elevator and farting audibly. No manner means you don't know about manner or don't realize or believe the other person deserves respect. It's like walking into an elevator and not knowing that it's impolite to fart. Getting mad on the ladder happens to us all. Showing your anger means you cannot control your emotions and that you are, essentially, a child: selfish and whiny. | ||
Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
On May 03 2012 04:22 Mr. Black wrote: glhf, gg = good manner ez, offensive gg, fuck you, things orb used to say, etc. = bad manner no glhf, no gg = no manner Good manner means that you care about showing your respect to your opponent. It's like holding off on a fart in the elevator filled with your co-workers. Bad manner means that you want to show disrespect. It's like making eye-contact in the elevator and farting audibly. No manner means you don't know about manner or don't realize or believe the other person deserves respect. It's like walking into an elevator and not knowing that it's impolite to fart. Getting mad on the ladder happens to us all. Showing your anger means you cannot control your emotions and that you are, essentially, a child: selfish and whiny. Why bring farting into this? Sometimes you HAVE to fart and no amount of clenching will hold it back. | ||
StarscreamG1
Portugal1652 Posts
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TheDna
Germany577 Posts
Loosing more than one map to idra in bo7 would be kind of a bad result for HuK imo. | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
I remember when i was in elementary school, I played on a chess team. When we began, we shook hands. When we finished, we said good game even if it was a one sided roflstomp. We even helped each other pack up the pieces, board and clock. It was all very civilized. Here's a very different example. At the end of every nfl game, the coaches and a few players go over to the opposing side and shake and tell them it was a good game. These were people who were, quite literally, beating the crap out of each other for the last couple hours. Hitting enter and typing those two letters and pressing enter again is nothing. It should pretty much be reflex. If you're unhappy with your loss, hit gg and then leave right away and seethe, but don't be an ass. I've found that the higher you get on ladder, the more your opponents will gg when they lose. Is it because they played longer and have learned to do so, or is it because they're better? You decide. Personally, I think its a reflection of the player's attitude towards the game. If you have a good attitude, you will do well. If don't, well, maybe you'll do okay, but not as well as if you went in with a good attitude. I was never a huge fan of idra, but I did respect him because he was a good player. Now he isn't well, he's lost credibility as a starcraft personality. I don't know what EG"s thinking, but I would much rather prefer to see someone like Scarlett. | ||
Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Rossen
Denmark177 Posts
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
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OOOGORE
United States13 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3743 Posts
On May 03 2012 11:09 ticklishmusic wrote: This is about sportsmanship. I remember when i was in elementary school, I played on a chess team. When we began, we shook hands. When we finished, we said good game even if it was a one sided roflstomp. We even helped each other pack up the pieces, board and clock. It was all very civilized. Here's a very different example. At the end of every nfl game, the coaches and a few players go over to the opposing side and shake and tell them it was a good game. These were people who were, quite literally, beating the crap out of each other for the last couple hours. Hitting enter and typing those two letters and pressing enter again is nothing. It should pretty much be reflex. If you're unhappy with your loss, hit gg and then leave right away and seethe, but don't be an ass. I've found that the higher you get on ladder, the more your opponents will gg when they lose. Is it because they played longer and have learned to do so, or is it because they're better? You decide. Personally, I think its a reflection of the player's attitude towards the game. If you have a good attitude, you will do well. If don't, well, maybe you'll do okay, but not as well as if you went in with a good attitude. I was never a huge fan of idra, but I did respect him because he was a good player. Now he isn't well, he's lost credibility as a starcraft personality. I don't know what EG"s thinking, but I would much rather prefer to see someone like Scarlett. I agree with the whole sentiment. I also think that IdrA is still in the center of SC universe because there are very few US players with top tier championships behind their belts. Strictly speaking - IdrA draws attention of US spectators and that's why he is highly valued. But to be honest - when I watched this Bo7 and thought about context - teammates, maybe even sitting few meters away - I sort of think that IdrA was fake-raging on purpose. That or he is just shallow as a desert. | ||
AngelusDeLetum
United States98 Posts
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Ettick
United States2434 Posts
On May 04 2012 08:50 AngelusDeLetum wrote: can anyone help me find the vods? didnt want to read through the thread to see who won http://www.twitch.tv/onemoregametv/b/316597888 I believe this should be it | ||
hanlonbro
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Jonno
Australia5 Posts
On May 04 2012 14:49 hanlonbro wrote: Can't tell is IdrA is in a slump or if HuK got lucky again. Oh well IdrA gave that game up on purpose anyway. That is a stupid statement. Idra hasn't played well all year and Huk has been doing well in all the tournaments he's entered. And saying Idra lost on purpose is absurd. He lost the first two games and then didn't bother trying for the rest because he was upset (again.) When it's a show-match you play seriously for the fans watching. 6 pooling two games in a row shows that Idra does not think about the people watching at all, just himself. | ||
hanlonbro
108 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:25 Jonno wrote: That is a stupid statement. Idra hasn't played well all year and Huk has been doing well in all the tournaments he's entered. And saying Idra lost on purpose is absurd. He lost the first two games and then didn't bother trying for the rest because he was upset (again.) When it's a show-match you play seriously for the fans watching. 6 pooling two games in a row shows that Idra does not think about the people watching at all, just himself. Yea because 1-7 is such good results. I wish I had that top 3 control. And yes, IdrA did lose in purpose because he 6 pooled. | ||
stillearning
12 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:25 Jonno wrote: That is a stupid statement. Idra hasn't played well all year and Huk has been doing well in all the tournaments he's entered. And saying Idra lost on purpose is absurd. He lost the first two games and then didn't bother trying for the rest because he was upset (again.) When it's a show-match you play seriously for the fans watching. 6 pooling two games in a row shows that Idra does not think about the people watching at all, just himself. I Agree with this. If he cared at all about the fans watching he would not have six pooled twice. Idra is a no talent hack who's time in SC2 is up. Lets get this asshole out of our community before he ruins the game. | ||
ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
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DeaDoXFighting
Canada115 Posts
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torm3ntin
Brazil2534 Posts
On May 05 2012 00:41 ACrow wrote: Why would anyone not take a showmatch serious which is initiated by the own team? That's stupid, you don't bite the hand that feeds you. You said it all. And that's why i don't understand Idra at all. | ||
fishjie
United States1519 Posts
what a fail. he sucks at sc2 now, everyone else is better than him. sure he might be one of the best zerg is NA, but NA is a pathetic joke compared to the rest of the world. no results and shitty personality and terrible attitude. sounds about right. User was warned for this post | ||
EneMecH
United Kingdom218 Posts
On May 01 2012 21:14 Embir wrote: Besides, Good Luck, Have Fun is a dumb sentence - I dont really care if my opponent have fun or not, he plays this game so it is logical that he likes this games and plays for pleasure, and lets face it no one wants his opponent to be lucky, you want luck to be on your side. Fact that previous generation of gamers used this sentences, doesnt mean people should use it now. I deliberately don't use them. That's just so wrong. "I don't really care if my opponent have fun or not". There's a word for that. It's called sociopathy. "Let's face it nobody wants his opponents to be lucky." YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT! The point is both players say goodluck and, in the theory of the sentiment, BOTH players HAVE good luck, meaning that the best player wins as neither player gets unlucky. Saying goodluck have fun is like saying "May the best player win and since I'm not a clinical psychopath I'd prefer for you to be happy as you are another human being." | ||
DreamChaser
1649 Posts
On May 05 2012 01:49 fishjie wrote: hahahahaha idra raging again and being bm again? for his own team's showmatch no less? what a fail. he sucks at sc2 now, everyone else is better than him. sure he might be one of the best zerg is NA, but NA is a pathetic joke compared to the rest of the world. no results and shitty personality and terrible attitude. sounds about right. Im rooting for Scarlette and Sheth to become the Zerg icons of NA | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20150 Posts
On May 05 2012 05:14 DreamChaser wrote: Im rooting for Scarlette and Sheth to become the Zerg icons of NA Me too. I am all for following a hero through a 29% winrate slump (and nobody can deny IdrA has been far from his peak for a loooong time) but his attitude towards everything is just depressing. It is impossible to get excited for any of his showmatches any more because they all end the same way. | ||
hanlonbro
108 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:55 Cyro wrote: Me too. I am all for following a hero through a 29% winrate slump (and nobody can deny IdrA has been far from his peak for a loooong time) but his attitude towards everything is just depressing. It is impossible to get excited for any of his showmatches any more because they all end the same way. Unlike Sheth or Scarlet, IdrA is in a slump. He'll return to best foreign player in the world in no time | ||
Cyro
United Kingdom20150 Posts
On May 05 2012 07:57 hanlonbro wrote: Unlike Sheth or Scarlet, IdrA is in a slump. He'll return to best foreign player in the world in no time Im sorry but that was said 8-10 months ago. The announcement of EG gaining HuK and getting a pro house in korea which then turned out to be just IdrA + HuK in the slayers house for 2 months was one of the biggest dissapointments in sc2's history when it was underwhelming compared to their announcements expectations and then even that fell apart so quickly with no results. | ||
Heouf
Netherlands787 Posts
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Jonno
Australia5 Posts
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Jonno
Australia5 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:38 hanlonbro wrote: Yea because 1-7 is such good results. I wish I had that top 3 control. And yes, IdrA did lose in purpose because he 6 pooled. Idra is 1-7 not Huk. Nice of you to point that out. Yes, Idra did throw the last two games because he couldn't win and he didn't care about anyone but himself. It's a show-match, it's intended for the fans, there was no money involved for the players but Idra just did what he pleased and raged and didn't take the games seriously. He did the same thing vs alive in their show-match. It just shows you that Idra does not care about his fans, only himself. His actions were disgraceful and EG should really talk to him about it. It's pathetic that you're trying to defend what he did. | ||
hanlonbro
108 Posts
On May 05 2012 11:27 Jonno wrote: Idra is 1-7 not Huk. Nice of you to point that out. Yes, Idra did throw the last two games because he couldn't win and he didn't care about anyone but himself. It's a show-match, it's intended for the fans, there was no money involved for the players but Idra just did what he pleased and raged and didn't take the games seriously. He did the same thing vs alive in their show-match. It just shows you that Idra does not care about his fans, only himself. His actions were disgraceful and EG should really talk to him about it. It's pathetic that you're trying to defend what he did. Another IdrA hater in the house. IdrA played well, but HuK cheesed then got lucky. IdrA doesn't have time to waste against a player who relies on cheese and all ins to win. He is practicing. That's why he gave it away. He just doesn't want to waste his practice game against a person who does nothing but cannon rush and dt. | ||
bigtabs
Germany51 Posts
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nimdil
Poland3743 Posts
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Jonno
Australia5 Posts
On May 05 2012 13:41 hanlonbro wrote: Another IdrA hater in the house. IdrA played well, but HuK cheesed then got lucky. IdrA doesn't have time to waste against a player who relies on cheese and all ins to win. He is practicing. That's why he gave it away. He just doesn't want to waste his practice game against a person who does nothing but cannon rush and dt. Are you that stupid? Please, no one can be that stupid... Huk went for dts after expand, it was no all in it was just to do a bit of damage and Idra who failed to scout what was going on instantly left the game. They weren't practice games they were games for the fans which Idra obviously took no notice of. I'll like Idra as soon as he starts to act like a respectable player and not a child who always whines and moans about every little thing that doesn't go his way. Stop ignoring what I say because you're wrong and you know you are. Huk is clearly the better player. | ||
DreamChaser
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somesing
United States12 Posts
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thalim90
United States68 Posts
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Fire13
Germany102 Posts
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imanoobcs
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Mr.Bimbles
Iceland457 Posts
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grapedog
United States151 Posts
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France2198 Posts
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