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On November 15 2012 09:41 Jaaaaasper wrote: Well the blue jays lose all right to complain about spending in the AL east ever again. The Marlins are going fire sale again, I for one am shocked.
I am sure you are. It is a bit weird...I mean, Marlins have a history of fire sales, but only after winning World Series titles...strange, huh?
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They lost all rights to complain when the Tampa Bay Devil Rays made it to the playoffs in 2008.
The bottom line is that Friedman has out-General-Managed Ricciardi and Anthopoulos by an order of magnitude.
The Blue Jays need to find a better General Manager and Beeston's nose is getting bigger and redder every year proving he is just a stinkin' drunk who rode on the coat tails of pat gillick's genius.
according the Johnson's agent he will declare free agency at the end of 2013. this is a high price to pay for 1 year.
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affeldt re-signs for 3/18. this is too many years for an old reliever ;/
and torii hunter's deal is gonna drive up the price for outfielders this offseason
verlander and kershaw should've won the cy youngs
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On November 15 2012 16:17 monty wrote: affeldt re-signs for 3/18. this is too many years for an old reliever ;/ and torii hunter's deal is gonna drive up the price for outfielders this offseason verlander and kershaw should've won the cy youngs
if a pitcher follows the Nolan Ryan exercise regime ( no easy feat ) and injuries do not pile up then they can maintain their velocity until they are 45.
Affeldt's injuries have been non-baseball related and were not to his throwing arm.
San Fran obviously knows him very well. If he has been injury free the past few years then its not a horrible deal.... it is the reality of the marketplace when it comes to holding onto reliable injury free veteran pitching.
You guys could get Alex Anthopolous to be your GM and he can give him away for sandwich draft picks like the Blue Jays did with Scott Downs.( and u can't even get draft picks for most lost FAs with the change in rules )
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On November 15 2012 22:43 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2012 16:17 monty wrote: affeldt re-signs for 3/18. this is too many years for an old reliever ;/ and torii hunter's deal is gonna drive up the price for outfielders this offseason verlander and kershaw should've won the cy youngs if a pitcher follows the Nolan Ryan exercise regime ( no easy feat ) and injuries do not pile up then they can maintain their velocity until they are 45. Affeldt's injuries have been non-baseball related and were not to his throwing arm. San Fran obviously knows him very well. If he has been injury free the past few years then its not a horrible deal.... it is the reality of the marketplace when it comes to holding onto reliable injury free veteran pitching. You guys could get Alex Anthopolous to be your GM and he can give him away for sandwich draft picks like the Blue Jays did with Scott Downs.( and u can't even get draft picks for most lost FAs with the change in rules )
Not to mention, I think that even with Affeldt half-healthy he still maintains some of the best left-handed breaking movement. I think that it is not an unreasonable amount, but a tad high. When we have a bullpen with him and Lopez in there, those late-inning heroics by opponents can often be kept to a minimum.
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Cabrera won the MVP. Sigh...
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On November 16 2012 11:52 zer0das wrote: Cabrera won the MVP. Sigh...
...Yeah, and my boy Posey. Why so upset about Cabrera? Who was your horse in the race?
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Melky Cabrera signs with the Jays for 2-YR, $16 million deal. Guess Toronto really wants to own the headlines in the early offseason. I don't think that Melky will encounter the same success in the AL.
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On November 17 2012 09:10 Phelix wrote: Melky Cabrera signs with the Jays for 2-YR, $16 million deal. Guess Toronto really wants to own the headlines in the early offseason. I don't think that Melky will encounter the same success in the AL. He hit well in SF, and the Roger's Centre is a much more hitter-friendly park......
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On November 16 2012 23:39 TheAmazombie wrote:...Yeah, and my boy Posey. Why so upset about Cabrera? Who was your horse in the race? mike trout was the better player
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On November 17 2012 09:10 Phelix wrote: Melky Cabrera signs with the Jays for 2-YR, $16 million deal. Guess Toronto really wants to own the headlines in the early offseason. I don't think that Melky will encounter the same success in the AL.
as long as he stays on steroids or testosterone or HGH or whatever it was he'll hit just fine in Toronto.
The Blue Jays organization has a fuck tonne of experience getting the most out of players from the Dominican. The park is hitter friendly.
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John Gibbons re-joins as the Jays Manager. Having arguments between Ted Lilly and Shea Hillenbrand on the first stint didn't disqualify him for the job.
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Gibbons is a pretty good manager. During parts of his first stint the with Blue Jays their payroll was 25% of the Yankee payroll. Considering the talent on the team and the # of games they had to play against teams with giant payrolls a 305-305 record is pretty damn good.
David Wells threw a ball into left field when ask to leave the game by Cito Gaston during a heated shouting match on the pitching mound. in 2010 Cito had a shouting match with Kevin Gregg on the mound. Later Kevin Gregg apologized. David Wells never did. What David Wells did do though, is have his best pitching years under Cito Gaston despite the fact that he hated him.
Anthopolouseseses job is on the line and he knows it. So he made an ultra-safe choice in a guy he knows very well. If I were in Anthopolouseseses position i'd be doing the same damn thing.
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On November 22 2012 09:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Gibbons is a pretty good manager. During parts of his first stint the with Blue Jays their payroll was 25% of the Yankee payroll. Considering the talent on the team and the # of games they had to play against teams with giant payrolls a 305-305 record is pretty damn good.
David Wells threw a ball into left field when ask to leave the game by Cito Gaston during a heated shouting match on the pitching mound. in 2010 Cito had a shouting match with Kevin Gregg on the mound. Later Kevin Gregg apologized. David Wells never did. What David Wells did do though, is have his best pitching performances under Cito Gaston despite the fact that he hated him.
Anthopolouseseses job is on the line and he knows it. So he made an ultra-safe choice in a guy he knows very well. If I were in Anthopolouseseses position i'd be doing the same damn thing.
Yeah, but Boomer was Boomer. Hell, he even claimed to be hung over when he threw his perfect game in '98. Also, there is a big difference between a young Gregg and a young Wells. Not defending his behavior, but that was sort of his style. Ha.
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On November 22 2012 09:39 TheAmazombie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 09:34 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Gibbons is a pretty good manager. During parts of his first stint the with Blue Jays their payroll was 25% of the Yankee payroll. Considering the talent on the team and the # of games they had to play against teams with giant payrolls a 305-305 record is pretty damn good.
David Wells threw a ball into left field when ask to leave the game by Cito Gaston during a heated shouting match on the pitching mound. in 2010 Cito had a shouting match with Kevin Gregg on the mound. Later Kevin Gregg apologized. David Wells never did. What David Wells did do though, is have his best pitching performances under Cito Gaston despite the fact that he hated him.
Anthopolouseseses job is on the line and he knows it. So he made an ultra-safe choice in a guy he knows very well. If I were in Anthopolouseseses position i'd be doing the same damn thing.
Yeah, but Boomer was Boomer. Hell, he even claimed to be hung over when he threw his perfect game in '98. Also, there is a big difference between a young Gregg and a young Wells. Not defending his behavior, but that was sort of his style. Ha.
David Wells was 29 when he threw the ball into left field and Gregg was 32. Examining their careers it appears Cito Gaston's "tough love" approach clearly worked. I could care less about the silly whining and moaning these guys do.
Wells pitches better when he is in a bad position with his manager.
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Buerhle is not too happy about the trade to the Blue Jays:
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20121121&content_id=40393828&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb
MIAMI -- When Mark Buehrle signed a four-year, $58 million contract with the Marlins last December, the veteran left-hander felt he would be with the organization for the long haul.
But on Monday, the Gold Glove Award-winning pitcher was traded to the Blue Jays as part of a 12-player deal.
Per team policy, the Marlins do not include no-trade clauses. But Buehrle claims he was given verbal assurances that he wouldn't be moved.
On Wednesday afternoon, Buehrle and his agent, Jeff Berry, co-head of CAA Baseball, issued a statement regarding the trade.
"In an offseason of change and uncertainty, the overriding factor in Mark's signing with Miami was Ozzie Guillen and the level of comfort his presence provided Mark and his family," Berry said. "While the Marlins were the highest bidder, baseball had already made Mark a wealthy man, so money was far from the most important factor in his decision.
"Throughout the recruiting process, the Marlins made repeated assurances about their long-term commitment to Mark and his family and their long-term commitment to building a winning tradition of Marlins baseball in the new stadium. This was demonstrated by their already completed signings of Ozzie, Heath Bell and Jose Reyes."
What I find odd, that I had not heard about, was that Florida does not do no-trade clauses. It is understandable considering the jack-asses that run the place. I was sure in my head that Mark would have signed a no-trade clause. I guess I just figured that no one stays with the team long enough to envoke a no-trade, so I never realized it before. I am sure they told Mark whatever he wanted to hear to get him to sign.
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