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SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
best player.. after Ronaldo :p | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
Semiotics is a fascinating study. *a pretty telling stat to think about "Messi scored his 74th Champions League goal with his 283rd shot. Cristiano reached his 71st goal with 445 shots.” And leo has like 17 matches less. | ||
SatedSC2
England3012 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 27 2014 20:02 SatedSC2 wrote: Messi has also had a much more consistent/successful supporting cast, not to mention that a lot of Ronaldo's CL games came at Manchester United where he wasn't always utilised as the main fulcrum of the attack. *facepalm* How is your post relevant to the stat like, at all? Cristiano is a rly average finisher compared to messi, end of story. Also if you have bothered to read this invaluable article you would've known just how much better messi is http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/lionel-messi-is-impossible/ *to make it easier to understand for you, here are some key phrases + Show Spoiler + •Of the 866 players who qualified for that plot — by playing in 50-plus games and averaging at least one shot attempt per game — Messi is the ninth-most efficient shooter overall (Ronaldo is 173rd), and he’s by far the most efficient of anyone with a similar shot volume. The highest-volume shooter who is more efficient is Mario Gomez, the former Bayern Munich striker, who takes about two-thirds as many shots as Messi. •Ronaldo takes more than twice as many shots from this distance(outside the area), but still has fewer goals overall. •About 44 percent of Messi’s “open” (non-set piece) shots are “individual plays,” taken without an assist. This is lower than the 46 percent of unassisted shots for players overall, but Messi scores on these shots more than 23 percent of the time, compared to all players’ percent. Additionally, he gains .089 goals above average on each unassisted shot. Ronaldo gains .023, and the average player is slightly negative at -.004 GAA. •Somehow, Messi has done even better when taking it on his own than when somebody sets him up. Moreover, on unassisted shots he shoots nearly 10 percent and .044 GAA better than the next best player (Sergio Aguero for Manchester City) does, despite taking the fourth-most such shots of the 28 players in the group. •Not only is Messi the top game-by-game goal-scorer of the last four years, he’s the third-most productive distributor of assists, despite being the primary scorer on his own team! Only Mesut Ozil and Franck Ribery earned more assists than Messi, and Ozil did it on Real Madrid — setting up Cristiano Ronaldo. It's ok to like a player more than someone else, after all there are people who legit like bieber. You can have your own opinion. But when you say that cristiano is better than messi you better have something to back it up with. | ||
smr
Germany4808 Posts
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On November 27 2014 20:33 smr wrote: I'm with Steveling here even though I don't read 75% of the stats posted. Messi is the best. Atleast of our time but seeing how much football has evolved and how dominant he is I'm very tempted to say of all time. but Ibrahimovic | ||
Arevall
Sweden1133 Posts
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Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 27 2014 20:40 Arevall wrote: Ronaldo has more goals per minute in La liga No, lol. Since cristiano joined rm, messi has more goals something around 10, a heckload more assists 40+ and all that in fewer games. Also, most goals scored in european cups against: messi against milan, cristiano against galatasaray. Most goals scored in la liga against: messi against real madrid, cristiano against getafe. Most international goals against: messi against brazil, cristiano against sweden. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51320 Posts
Messi has 7 years on Ronaldo in La Liga you cannot compare them via La Liga goals of all time. Just on a season by season process i guess. Silly comment Steveling xD | ||
Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
Him and RM are already leading the penalties Liga with some strong 6, going for the 6th championship trophie in a row. Btw I also love Ibra, CR and many more (not just Messi), even with their not so likeable "assholery". Great footballers and personalities, and make for great villains just like Mou. Ibra is also an all around badass. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 27 2014 20:50 Pandemona wrote: Ronaldo was older than Messi when he joined La Liga though. Messi was 17 when he made his La Liga debut Ronaldo was 24. Messi has 7 years on Ronaldo in La Liga you cannot compare them via La Liga goals of all time. Just on a season by season process i guess. Silly comment Steveling xD What's so hard to comprehend pande? These stats are since cristiano joined rm, not before. It's not an all time stat. Blind fanboism at its best? xD | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51320 Posts
Ronaldo and Messi are stupidly op, even professional footballers say this. They are the anomaly in world football. However discussing who is better is a matter of opinion. Both are great, exceptional world class etc. But everyone has a difference in opinion on who and why they are the better of the two. My personal opinion is a prefer Ronaldos power and height over Messis dribbling skills and ducking / diving through people. Just as i would prefer Costa to an Aguero type striker. Or an Ibra to a Suarez. My opinion, others are different. What we shouldn't be doing is raging or trying to changes peoples opinion so aggressively when everyone has different opinions on what they like / what they watch. Pretty sure 90% of Chelsea fans would prefer Ronaldo to Messi ultimate football etc. Same was as Barca fans would prefer Suarez to an Ibra/Costa type striker. Just what they are used to and prefer to watch. On November 27 2014 20:54 Steveling wrote: What's so hard to comprehend pande? These stats are since cristiano joined rm, not before. It's not an all time stat. Blind fanboism at its best? xD What? Are you reading my posts. You were going on blindly about how Messi is better in every post you make which is fine but you just blatantly shut down that guys post who said Ronaldo has more goals per minute than Messi in La Liga. He didn't say over what time period or anything. Then you said he has more goals and assist and all in shorter time etcetc. We know you like Messi, we know you think he is better than Ronaldo that is fine. But you shouldn't be shooting people down like they just said the Pope doesn't believe in god just because they prefer Ronaldo over him. Don't force your opinion on people. You can kindly point out facts about them i don't mind seeing/reading them because we can choose to do so. But shooting people down when they mention ronaldo or whatever is getting quite tiresome now. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 27 2014 21:01 Pandemona wrote: This debate is also getting very boring and old now. Ronaldo and Messi are stupidly op, even professional footballers say this. They are the anomaly in world football. However discussing who is better is a matter of opinion. Both are great, exceptional world class etc. But everyone has a difference in opinion on who and why they are the better of the two. My personal opinion is a prefer Ronaldos power and height over Messis dribbling skills and ducking / diving through people. Just as i would prefer Costa to an Aguero type striker. Or an Ibra to a Suarez. My opinion, others are different. What we shouldn't be doing is raging or trying to changes peoples opinion so aggressively when everyone has different opinions on what they like / what they watch. Pretty sure 90% of Chelsea fans would prefer Ronaldo to Messi ultimate football etc. Same was as Barca fans would prefer Suarez to an Ibra/Costa type striker. Just what they are used to and prefer to watch. I agree but these latest posts are not about taste or preferred style but who's better. Sated said that cristiano is better so I had to put him in his place, so direct your kumbaya speech to him, not me. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13552 Posts
And I think it's very fair to start comparing la liga efforts from when Ronaldo joined la liga. Stats-wise obviously Ronaldo is going to be more impressive when you start counting Messi's games when he was 16-17 when he scored 5 in 17 and like 11 in 28 or whatever. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 27 2014 21:01 Pandemona wrote: We know you like Messi, we know you think he is better than Ronaldo that is fine See pande, you are passive aggressive and that's annoying. You just said that cristiano is better, alright, prove it, let's have a discussion. | ||
malcram
2752 Posts
you CR/Messi fanboys really can't stop sucking their dicks, and I feel tired for you guys. this debate is old. can't you guys just enjoy football for what it is? a freaking TEAM sport! cheer for your favourite teams and marvel at the occasional piece of individual brilliance. are there any rational football fans out there anymore? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51320 Posts
I said you think Messi is better than Ronaldo, that is fine. I think they are both fucking awesome world class etc. However my opinion (like yours on Messi) is i prefer Ronaldo due to his power and height. That is all. Personal opinion. We really need draw a line underneath this shit is pissing me off now. Everyone express their opinion thats fine, post stats about your favorite player is fine. Posting stats than saying MESSI IS BETTER and starting a shit posting bonanza is not fine. Posting the stats is. | ||
Steveling
Greece10806 Posts
On November 27 2014 21:17 malcram wrote: i'm gonna say it and get a warning or even banned. you CR/Messi fanboys really can't stop sucking their dicks, and I feel tired for you guys. this debate is old. can't you guys just enjoy football for what it is? a freaking TEAM sport! cheer for your favourite teams and marvel at the occasional piece of individual brilliance. are there any rational football fans out there anymore? I agree. As long as people know who's the best that is. Because I'm not the fanboi that messi deserves, I'm the fanboi that messi needs. A dark hooligan. *I enjoy these little debates btw, is it so wrong,( | ||
Mensol
14536 Posts
See? opinions can differ. | ||
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