haah thats brillaint. Would be fun to play as blatter and have to escape authorities. FIFA goes mmorpg.
In all honestly though the rot is so deep its not going to be a matter of removing just Blatter or in this case rolling a few heads.
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
May 27 2015 20:40 GMT
#14641
haah thats brillaint. Would be fun to play as blatter and have to escape authorities. FIFA goes mmorpg. In all honestly though the rot is so deep its not going to be a matter of removing just Blatter or in this case rolling a few heads. | ||
Eliezar
United States481 Posts
May 27 2015 20:56 GMT
#14642
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ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
May 27 2015 21:43 GMT
#14643
On May 28 2015 04:49 Boucot wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2015 04:39 ThomasjServo wrote: The United States took jurisdiction of the case in part because the Internal Revenue Service and the FBI secured the cooperation of U.S. citizen Chuck Blazer, a former top FIFA official, who U.S. officials said had not paid taxes for years Told you, that is how they get the big fish to play along. The IRS is scary if you make enough money to really interest them. Is Blatter the Al Capone of football ? Fingers crossed. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41064 Posts
May 27 2015 22:35 GMT
#14644
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andrewlt
United States7644 Posts
May 27 2015 22:56 GMT
#14645
On May 28 2015 04:39 ThomasjServo wrote: Show nested quote + The United States took jurisdiction of the case in part because the Internal Revenue Service and the FBI secured the cooperation of U.S. citizen Chuck Blazer, a former top FIFA official, who U.S. officials said had not paid taxes for years Told you, that is how they get the big fish to play along. The IRS is scary if you make enough money to really interest them. I'm guessing the IRS got involved because they found that bribes were paid in the US or passed through US banks without paying income taxes on them. | ||
Serpest
United States603 Posts
May 28 2015 00:07 GMT
#14646
On May 28 2015 07:56 andrewlt wrote: FBI must have a really airtight case if they got Swiss authorities to play along and launch their own investigation, too. Show nested quote + On May 28 2015 04:39 ThomasjServo wrote: The United States took jurisdiction of the case in part because the Internal Revenue Service and the FBI secured the cooperation of U.S. citizen Chuck Blazer, a former top FIFA official, who U.S. officials said had not paid taxes for years Told you, that is how they get the big fish to play along. The IRS is scary if you make enough money to really interest them. I'm guessing the IRS got involved because they found that bribes were paid in the US or passed through US banks without paying income taxes on them. This. I am soooooo happy this is finally happening. Especially that the Garcia report has been handed over to the FBI. I'm super curious if there are differences (i.e. the report handed over has significant changes that smooth out the inconsistencies in the original). | ||
zev318
Canada4304 Posts
May 28 2015 00:48 GMT
#14647
Poll: Will anthing actually happen to FIFA? fuck no (15) yes (1) no (1) 17 total votes Your vote: Will anthing actually happen to FIFA? i mean its great that this all happened, but maybe all it'll do is just replace old corrupt officials with...... younger corrupt officials | ||
ThomasjServo
15244 Posts
May 28 2015 01:07 GMT
#14648
On May 28 2015 09:48 zev318 wrote: Poll: Will anthing actually happen to FIFA? fuck no (15) yes (1) no (1) 17 total votes Your vote: Will anthing actually happen to FIFA? i mean its great that this all happened, but maybe all it'll do is just replace old corrupt officials with...... younger corrupt officials If FIFA itself, no. | ||
Greg_J
China4408 Posts
May 28 2015 01:24 GMT
#14649
On May 28 2015 03:46 Eliezar wrote: Its kind of crazy how good the average attendance is for MLS (obviously a second rate league) compared to the other futbol leagues (6th) and total professional sports leagues in the world (12th). Assuming Business Insider is accurate: Pro Sports Average Attendance You are perhaps missing a couple of Leagues here. The second teir League in England 'The Championship' has been over taken by MLS in average attendance 17,863 (probably the stat that matters) but is still ahead in terms of total attendance 9,771,471(there's 24 teams in The Championship so your not really comparing like with like). But the data seems to have completely ignored Cricket IPL is the Worlds biggest Cricket League and attendances are huge. But I am struggling to find any proper data. In 2008 average attendance was 58,000 according to Wikipedia. That sounds a bit high to be honest. I think it's likely to have dropped in recent season for one reason or another. There a re teams playing in front of 70,000 each week (Kolkcatta) but there are teams playing only away games or in moved locations due to security risk who struggle to attract more than 15,000 at the moment. 2014–15 Big Bash League (Australia) season average attendance 23,590. The cricket Leagues only run with 8 team round robin format and then a knock out stage so there is no where near as many games as a full season of Football games not to mention the never ending Baseball season. So they don't compete at all in terms of total attendance. It's always worth pointing out that the Bundesliga has a higher total attendance than The premier League despite having 2 less teams and thus (20*19)-(18*17)=74 less games. | ||
ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
May 28 2015 03:26 GMT
#14650
On May 28 2015 10:24 Greg_J wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2015 03:46 Eliezar wrote: Its kind of crazy how good the average attendance is for MLS (obviously a second rate league) compared to the other futbol leagues (6th) and total professional sports leagues in the world (12th). Assuming Business Insider is accurate: Pro Sports Average Attendance You are perhaps missing a couple of Leagues here. The second teir League in England 'The Championship' has been over taken by MLS in average attendance 17,863 (probably the stat that matters) but is still ahead in terms of total attendance 9,771,471(there's 24 teams in The Championship so your not really comparing like with like). But the data seems to have completely ignored Cricket IPL is the Worlds biggest Cricket League and attendances are huge. But I am struggling to find any proper data. In 2008 average attendance was 58,000 according to Wikipedia. That sounds a bit high to be honest. I think it's likely to have dropped in recent season for one reason or another. There a re teams playing in front of 70,000 each week (Kolkcatta) but there are teams playing only away games or in moved locations due to security risk who struggle to attract more than 15,000 at the moment. 2014–15 Big Bash League (Australia) season average attendance 23,590. The cricket Leagues only run with 8 team round robin format and then a knock out stage so there is no where near as many games as a full season of Football games not to mention the never ending Baseball season. So they don't compete at all in terms of total attendance. It's always worth pointing out that the Bundesliga has a higher total attendance than The premier League despite having 2 less teams and thus (20*19)-(18*17)=74 less games. Also the population of the cities with MLS teams is huge compared to other leagues because the US has so many major cities. The smallest city in the whole league (Salt Lake City, Utah) has over 1 million people in its metropolitan area, and New York is the only city with two teams. Compare that with the size of some places competing in The Championship, or even the Premier League. | ||
evilfatsh1t
Australia8513 Posts
May 28 2015 04:27 GMT
#14651
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Greg_J
China4408 Posts
May 28 2015 05:10 GMT
#14652
It will take a few weeks for my Football withdrawal symptoms to kick in and for me to remember MLS exists and start watching matches again, hehe | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41064 Posts
May 28 2015 05:22 GMT
#14653
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Eliezar
United States481 Posts
May 28 2015 08:04 GMT
#14654
On May 28 2015 12:26 ZapRoffo wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2015 10:24 Greg_J wrote: On May 28 2015 03:46 Eliezar wrote: Its kind of crazy how good the average attendance is for MLS (obviously a second rate league) compared to the other futbol leagues (6th) and total professional sports leagues in the world (12th). Assuming Business Insider is accurate: Pro Sports Average Attendance You are perhaps missing a couple of Leagues here. The second teir League in England 'The Championship' has been over taken by MLS in average attendance 17,863 (probably the stat that matters) but is still ahead in terms of total attendance 9,771,471(there's 24 teams in The Championship so your not really comparing like with like). But the data seems to have completely ignored Cricket IPL is the Worlds biggest Cricket League and attendances are huge. But I am struggling to find any proper data. In 2008 average attendance was 58,000 according to Wikipedia. That sounds a bit high to be honest. I think it's likely to have dropped in recent season for one reason or another. There a re teams playing in front of 70,000 each week (Kolkcatta) but there are teams playing only away games or in moved locations due to security risk who struggle to attract more than 15,000 at the moment. 2014–15 Big Bash League (Australia) season average attendance 23,590. The cricket Leagues only run with 8 team round robin format and then a knock out stage so there is no where near as many games as a full season of Football games not to mention the never ending Baseball season. So they don't compete at all in terms of total attendance. It's always worth pointing out that the Bundesliga has a higher total attendance than The premier League despite having 2 less teams and thus (20*19)-(18*17)=74 less games. Also the population of the cities with MLS teams is huge compared to other leagues because the US has so many major cities. The smallest city in the whole league (Salt Lake City, Utah) has over 1 million people in its metropolitan area, and New York is the only city with two teams. Compare that with the size of some places competing in The Championship, or even the Premier League. Yes, the US can be more easily compared to the EU than to say Germany or Spain due to size and population. Never the less, and even with missing info from the article, I think the idea that the fanbase in the US for MLS is up there with the leagues of Europe outside the Bundesliga and EPL and that doesn't count how many here only follow the Mexican league, European leagues, or national sides. The foot print is quite large and isn't 'other' to the US anymore. | ||
sneirac
Germany3463 Posts
May 28 2015 09:00 GMT
#14655
And for anyone that had any hope, AFC and CAF have announced their opposition to postponing the election and their continued support for Blatter. And while CONMEBOL is rethinking their support and CONCACAF apparently is talking to UEFA, AFC and CAF have 54 and 46 members, the majority is 105. The only really positive sign is that the sponsors are starting to feel pressured. VISA have announced they are going to "reassess" their position and the rest is at least unhappy. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13552 Posts
May 28 2015 09:01 GMT
#14656
In the Netherlands there's around 17 million people and we have 2 professional leagues with 38 teams in total. When you look at the first league (Eredivisie) alone, attendance is pretty high despite the low(er) amount of people in the country. When we play in the World Cup 5 million people watch group matches and 8-9 million people watch semi-finals. I don't think you'll have 130 million Americans watching the World Cup. With more exposure to the game I guess Americans can get more enthousiastic though I guess. But they mostly like sports where points are scored easier like basketball. More to cheer for. Rest of the world likes the tension more and the bigger emotional impact of a point (goal). | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51318 Posts
May 28 2015 09:08 GMT
#14657
On May 28 2015 18:00 sneirac wrote: So, Blatter has cancelled his opening speech for the medical part of the conference (and all other public appearances before the main conference?) and there are rumors that he might not show up until tomorrow. And for anyone that had any hope, AFC and CAF have announced their opposition to postponing the election and their continued support for Blatter. And while CONMEBOL is rethinking their support and CONCACAF apparently is talking to UEFA, AFC and CAF have 54 and 46 members, the majority is 105. The only really positive sign is that the sponsors are starting to feel pressured. VISA have announced they are going to "reassess" their position and the rest is at least unhappy. Is indeed positive. Nike are about to get fucked by the FBI and will be in big trouble due to their involvement in Brazilian advertisement which someone actually posted in here about 3 weeks ago which im very impressed with When sponsors start pulling out/questioning FIFA the money disappears and the organization will be crippled or atleast they start to make sure something happens as well. | ||
RvB
Netherlands6075 Posts
May 28 2015 09:34 GMT
#14658
To help bring corruption charges against some of the most powerful men in world football, prosecutors in the United States convinced a Brazilian sports mogul to confess to a life at the nexus of money, football and graft. José Hawilla, 71, the founder of sports marketing company Traffic, has spent decades connecting football officials with surging revenues from broadcast and advertising rights, while dodging investigations from Brazilian lawmakers and prosecutors. Through connections at the top of the Brazilian game, Hawilla has negotiated TV deals for South America's biggest tournaments since 1991, along with nearly half a billion dollars of sponsorships including Nike Inc and the Coca-Cola Co. His hefty commissions were divvied up as kickbacks for football officials in Brazil and throughout the Americas, Hawilla told U.S. investigators as part of plea deal in which he also agreed to forfeit over $151 million (98 million pounds). In an indictment released by the Department of Justice on Wednesday, Hawilla was one of four convicted defendants who helped U.S. investigators build their case against 14 top global football officials and sports marketing executives accused of orchestrating more than $150 million in bribes and kickbacks. Hawilla's lawyer told newspaper Folha de S. Paulo that he had pled guilty, remained free in the United States, and was cooperating with investigators there. It was unclear exactly what information he had passed to U.S. officials. Hawilla's guilty plea and the U.S. graft charges against José Maria Marin, former head of Brazilian Football Confederation (CBF), stirred hopes in Brazil that the biggest names in the sport were finally within the law's reach. Anger has been building for years in Brazil over corruption scandals that are battering its economy and souring its politics. "For a long time, Hawilla was as big as it got in the business, and his influence is still huge," said Pedro Daniel, an advisor to Bom Senso FC, a group of Brazilian football players trying to reform the sport. "This is just the tip of the iceberg." HOUSE OF CARDS A TV presenter in the 1970s, Hawilla used his close relationship with Ricardo Teixeira, who ran the CBF for 23 years before Marin's two-year term, to buy a small-time billboard company in 1980 and build it into one of the world's five biggest sports marketing agencies. Traffic outgrew Brazil, moving into the negotiation of marketing rights for world football governing body FIFA, and expanding into the United States. Traffic Group's U.S. president, Aaron Davidson, was among those indicted on Wednesday. In Brazil, Hawilla even managed in the football business what few could do on the field: taking legend Pelé out of the game. When the three-time World Cup winner's marketing agency missed a shot at a contract for a Brazilian football tournament in the early 1990s, he told Playboy magazine in an interview that he had lost to Traffic because of corruption. Teixeira sued Pelé, who was marginalized from CBF business and the ceremonies surrounding the 1994 World Cup, the fourth won by Brazil. "Pelé was a persona non grata with the national team because of Hawilla's scheme. That shows you who was running the CBF's business under Ricardo Teixeira," said Leandro Cipoloni, an investigative journalist and co-author of The Dirty Side of football, a book on the corruption scandals sullying the Brazilian game. "Now the house of cards is coming down," he said. Teixeira and Hawilla could not be reached for comment. A spokesman for Pelé did not reply to a request for comment. Teixeira left the CBF in 2012 amid criticism over his preparations for the 2014 World Cup, which Brazil hosted, and a police investigation into reports that he had taken million of dollars in bribes from a sports marketing firm. Teixeira denied the allegations and was not charged for any wrongdoing. In 1996, Traffic negotiated a $369 million deal between Nike and the Brazilian national team, at the time one of the biggest sponsorships ever, which helped the U.S. company break the grip of rival Adidas AG on the global football industry. A Senate commission investigation in 2000 found that Traffic got a 5 percent commission on the Nike deal, making millions for an intermediary role that senators leading the probe called unnecessary. Hawilla paid half of the money he made on a 1996 sportswear sponsorship to an unnamed "high-ranking CBF official," according to the charges that U.S. prosecutors made public on Wednesday, based on testimony from Hawilla's plea bargain. The indictment did not name Nike but the details matched the 1996 deal. Nike said on Wednesday said that it was cooperating with authorities on the allegations. Traffic also played an intermediary role on Coca-Cola's $8 million CBF sponsorship in 1994, pocketing 20 percent of the contract, according to the Senate investigation in Brazil. The commission's findings did not lead to charges over the alleged graft. Coca-Cola called on FIFA on Wednesday to increase transparency and resolve the controversy. Broadcast and marketing rights for international competitions were even more lucrative than Brazilian events, leaving room for hefty bribes, according to U.S. prosecutors. They say Traffic and its partners paid $100 million in bribes to South American football officials for a 2013 contract securing rights to the Copa America international competition in 2015, 2016, 2019 and 2023. Hawilla, who has spent less time on the daily business at Traffic and more time in the United States in recent years, has avoided serious legal troubles in Brazil. Prosecutors in Sao Paulo, where Traffic has an office, said their records on the company are confidential. source You mean this right pande? It looks like that is actually the thing that got the ball rolling. May 27 World Cup sponsor Nike Inc said on Wednesday it was cooperating with authorities after bribery and corruption charges against senior FIFA officials were announced by U.S. prosecutors and arrests were made in Switzerland. U.S. prosecutors issued an indictment accusing nine officials from soccer's world governing body and five sports media and promotions executives of bribes involving more than $150 million over 24 years. The indictment also said that in 1996, a global sports company, which was not identified in court documents, agreed to pay $160 million over 10 years to become the Brazil team's exclusive footwear, apparel, accessories, and equipment supplier. That was an apparent reference to Nike Inc, which sponsored the Brazil national team. The indictment said the company had agreed to financial terms not in the initial contract, which included paying an additional $40 million to an affiliate of the team's marketing agent with a Swiss bank account and referring to the amount as "marketing fees." U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch was asked at a news conference if there was any liability for companies that had won marketing rights and if they were being investigated. Lynch said she could not comment on specifics of who else was a target or subject of the investigation "except to say that the investigation is continuing and covers all aspects." She declined to comment when asked if one of the companies was Nike. Later on, Nike said in a statement, "Like fans everywhere we care passionately about the game and are concerned by the very serious allegations." "Nike believes in ethical and fair play in both business and sport and strongly opposes any form of manipulation or bribery. We have been cooperating, and will continue to cooperate, with the authorities," the company said. Nike did not respond to a request for comment beyond its statement. OTHER SPONSORS BRISTLE German sportswear company Adidas and beverage company Coca-Cola Co called on FIFA to increase transparency and resolve the controversy. "This lengthy controversy has tarnished the mission and ideals of the FIFA World Cup and we have repeatedly expressed our concerns about these serious allegations," Coca Cola said in a statement. Anheuser-Busch InBev and McDonald's Corp said they were in contact with FIFA and monitoring the situation. World Cup sponsors are in an awkward position, experts said, because they are under pressure from consumers to distance themselves from any corruption, but such sponsorships are lucrative in the long term. "The value of the sponsorships is very high or they wouldn't be prepared to pay so much for it," said Interbrand Chief Executive Jez Frampton. "Football is one of the few global properties that enables you to connect with people around the world." Rob Prazmark, president of 21 Sports & Entertainment Marketing Group, a global sports and event sales agency said companies were unlikely to pull their sponsorships altogether. source | ||
zeo
Serbia6175 Posts
May 28 2015 09:57 GMT
#14659
On May 28 2015 18:08 Pandemona wrote: Show nested quote + On May 28 2015 18:00 sneirac wrote: So, Blatter has cancelled his opening speech for the medical part of the conference (and all other public appearances before the main conference?) and there are rumors that he might not show up until tomorrow. And for anyone that had any hope, AFC and CAF have announced their opposition to postponing the election and their continued support for Blatter. And while CONMEBOL is rethinking their support and CONCACAF apparently is talking to UEFA, AFC and CAF have 54 and 46 members, the majority is 105. The only really positive sign is that the sponsors are starting to feel pressured. VISA have announced they are going to "reassess" their position and the rest is at least unhappy. Is indeed positive. Nike are about to get fucked by the FBI and will be in big trouble due to their involvement in Brazilian advertisement which someone actually posted in here about 3 weeks ago which im very impressed with When sponsors start pulling out/questioning FIFA the money disappears and the organization will be crippled or atleast they start to make sure something happens as well. I think you underestimate just how much money FIFA has. Lol at cowboy McCain telling FIFA to sack Blatter. My cat knows more about football than some of these clowns. edit: You have to wonder why all this is happening on the eve of the presidential elections. | ||
haitike
Spain2686 Posts
May 28 2015 10:02 GMT
#14660
On May 28 2015 18:01 Twisted wrote: I think you have to look at popularity what each team represents. There's 300 million people in the US with cities totalling 8-10 million people. Yet there are only like 20 or whatever teams in that entire country in the league. If popularity of football was big in the US you could have a league for every state (like in the EU) and then you could compare. Right now popularity is extremely low and that's not because of attendance numbers in the stadiums, but by how small the league is compared to the entire country. In the Netherlands there's around 17 million people and we have 2 professional leagues with 38 teams in total. When you look at the first league (Eredivisie) alone, attendance is pretty high despite the low(er) amount of people in the country. When we play in the World Cup 5 million people watch group matches and 8-9 million people watch semi-finals. I don't think you'll have 130 million Americans watching the World Cup. With more exposure to the game I guess Americans can get more enthousiastic though I guess. But they mostly like sports where points are scored easier like basketball. More to cheer for. Rest of the world likes the tension more and the bigger emotional impact of a point (goal). I think you hit the nail there. Spain have 2 divisions since 1928 and now It has the top 2 national division leagues more 5-6 regional levels (with tons of groups each level) above. Other European countries the same. But then you have countries like USA; Japon or Korea where football is recent. You can see how underdeveloped it is just looking at the low amount of professional teams and leagues they have. Specially USA with the population of all Europe and can be easily surpassed by small countries like Portugal or Uruguay. | ||
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