His goal vs BVB
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On November 27 2014 06:52 Stratos_speAr wrote: So I really can't say that BVB is a good team at this point. People keep talking about a "poor run of form", but at some point, a "poor run" turns into "what the club actually is". And honestly, what is BVB good at anymore? Both their offense and defense are horrible (counting among the worst in the Bundesliga), with some of the worst finishing and worst passing you can see. They don't have a lot of speed, they give up easy goals, and their possession is only good because they constantly hold the ball in their half/the middle 3rd. There really isn't a single thing BVB is good at this year (even though commentators love to talk about their counterattack, which is absolutely horrible due to unreliable finishing). Their only wins were against a struggling Arsenal and Gladbach, both at home, and the Gladbach one relied on an own goal that BVB had absolutely nothing to do with. Dortmund has failed against all quality competition, including Arsenal today and Bayern, Schalke, and Leverkusen in the Bundesliga. The problem is that their signings have been a complete failure. They lost the likes of Lewandowski and Götze (transfer) and Reus, Gundogan, Kuba, Schmelzer, Subotic, Hummels, Pizsczek, and Sahin (injuries), and they have completely failed to replace them. Aubameyang, Mhki, and Immobile are all busts that have failed to fill their potential with poor finishing and terrible passing, Sokratis is good but unreliable as he sometimes makes baffling positional decisions, Ginter is young and makes a lot of terrible decisions, Ramos and Jojic don't play enough to be a factor, and Dong Won Ji has completely disappeared since joining BVB. Worst of all they haven't made a single move to shore up the midfield. If Gündogan and Sahin were consistently healthy this wouldn't be as much of a problem, but the likes of Bender, Grosskreutz, Kehl, and Jojic don't make enough of a difference or just simply aren't good enough. The glaring mistake is that BVB didn't make a single move for a proven, high-quality, high-talent player. They bought a whole lot of potential in Ramos, Dong Won Ji, Jojic, Ginter, Aubameyang, and Mhki, but almost all of these were a complete bust. The closest thing to "proven talent" that they bought was Immobile, but even as Serie A's top scorer he still wasn't on the level of a signing for Van Persie, Lewandowski, Götze, Alonso, Neymar, Suarez, Khedira, Özil, Kroos, etc. etc. etc. Dortmund saw the mistake they made in the late '90's after their CL win (sink a shitload of money into high-cost players and sink into debt) and tried to go in the completely opposite direction by investing in all potential, but none of that potential has paid off at all. Its a bit of a exaggeration. In CL they were through on the 4th playday and they need a win at home against Anderlecht to secure first place. In Bundesliga they could have won at least half their losses due to bad finishing. Auba has a decend season in my opinion. | ||
sharkie
Austria17999 Posts
On November 27 2014 06:52 Stratos_speAr wrote: So I really can't say that BVB is a good team at this point. People keep talking about a "poor run of form", but at some point, a "poor run" turns into "what the club actually is". And honestly, what is BVB good at anymore? Both their offense and defense are horrible (counting among the worst in the Bundesliga), with some of the worst finishing and worst passing you can see. They don't have a lot of speed, they give up easy goals, and their possession is only good because they constantly hold the ball in their half/the middle 3rd. There really isn't a single thing BVB is good at this year (even though commentators love to talk about their counterattack, which is absolutely horrible due to unreliable finishing). Their only wins were against a struggling Arsenal and Gladbach, both at home, and the Gladbach one relied on an own goal that BVB had absolutely nothing to do with. Dortmund has failed against all quality competition, including Arsenal today and Bayern, Schalke, and Leverkusen in the Bundesliga. The problem is that their signings have been a complete failure. They lost the likes of Lewandowski and Götze (transfer) and Reus, Gundogan, Kuba, Schmelzer, Subotic, Hummels, Pizsczek, and Sahin (injuries), and they have completely failed to replace them. Aubameyang, Mhki, and Immobile are all busts that have failed to fill their potential with poor finishing and terrible passing, Sokratis is good but unreliable as he sometimes makes baffling positional decisions, Ginter is young and makes a lot of terrible decisions, Ramos and Jojic don't play enough to be a factor, and Dong Won Ji has completely disappeared since joining BVB. Worst of all they haven't made a single move to shore up the midfield. If Gündogan and Sahin were consistently healthy this wouldn't be as much of a problem, but the likes of Bender, Grosskreutz, Kehl, and Jojic don't make enough of a difference or just simply aren't good enough. The glaring mistake is that BVB didn't make a single move for a proven, high-quality, high-talent player. They bought a whole lot of potential in Ramos, Dong Won Ji, Jojic, Ginter, Aubameyang, and Mhki, but almost all of these were a complete bust. The closest thing to "proven talent" that they bought was Immobile, but even as Serie A's top scorer he still wasn't on the level of a signing for Van Persie, Lewandowski, Götze, Alonso, Neymar, Suarez, Khedira, Özil, Kroos, etc. etc. etc. Dortmund saw the mistake they made in the late '90's after their CL win (sink a shitload of money into high-cost players and sink into debt) and tried to go in the completely opposite direction by investing in all potential, but none of that potential has paid off at all. You probably haven't watched more than 3-4 BVB games User was warned for this post | ||
Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On November 27 2014 07:11 Micro_Jackson wrote: Its a bit of a exaggeration. In CL they were through on the 4th playday and they need a win at home against Anderlecht to secure first place. In Bundesliga they could have won at least half their losses due to bad finishing. Auba has a decend season in my opinion. But remember, they had one good game against a struggling Arsenal very early in the season and then played two (relatively) very bad teams for the remaining three games. Yes, I don't see them having a problem locking up 1st place, but again, they're playing a relatively bad team at home and only need a draw. They might be able to get a favorable match in the RO16, but there's no way in hell they're making it past the RO8 unless 1) they get a miracle or 2) they make some serious winter transfer moves. And yes, they could've won several games with better finishing, but when you fail at finishing so many times, when does it stop becoming "back luck" or "poor form" and turns into "they're just bad at finishing and therefore not a good team"? You probably haven't watched more than 3-4 BVB games Actually I've watched every one of them. So go ahead, tell me; what are they actually good at? Where was I wrong? Maybe you should offer something constructive instead of being so arrogant and condescending. And don't say possession. imho neither mikhi nor auba are failures. gotta agree though when it comes to this year's signings. to sum it up, they would have needed something similar to bayerns "alonso-transfer". Aubameyang has had some very good games and some quality goals. However, he's not reliable. He gets games where he makes very questionable passing decisions (often right to the opponent or flings it way past the intended target) and he gets games where he's completely out of the equation and makes little to no difference. Mkhi, on the other hand, deserves no faith. He routinely whiffs on quality chances, either making a poor strike or flinging the ball wide. He consistently passes beyond his target or makes a soft pass (or just passes it right to the opponent), and he takes far too many touches on the ball, leading to a dispossession. He's the kind of player that makes you say "oh no" when he gets the ball and you're a BVB fan. That's not a good thing. | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13552 Posts
On November 27 2014 06:07 wingpawn wrote: Stupid Barcelona, selling Alexis and Cesc who then immediately went on to being two best players in EPL. Nah, Germans don't have a link upfront, only playing long balls and hoping for the best. Any other team with strong front line would expose Monreal and Mertesacker many times already. Mkhitaryan in current form just doesn't cut it. I don't want to point out the obvious here, but when players leave for lesser clubs while holding their own in the top teams of the world, obviously they're gonna shine. Fabregas has played well for Chelsea, but no better than he did at Barça. He also has way more space in the BPL because it's a more offensive/easier league for a player with his specific qualities. Trading Alexis for Suarez is all politics though. I don't think either is better than the other. Suarez was the best player in the BPL, now Sanchez has taken over the throne. I don't think there's much difference in skill between the two. Unless Suarez starts banging in 30 goals a season, I wouldn't call him better than Sanchez. | ||
GizmoPT
Portugal3040 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
Reus and Hummels is monumental in BVBs set up, I would dven dare to say Dortmund without Reus is like Real without Ronaldo. He has a touch in all the chances they create, him alone posesses half of the teams counter attack phase, and on top of that he makes the plays like we saw in Gala game. Hummels on the other hand is arguably one of the best CBs in the world, always on top of positioning, you cant land a single air ball inside dortmund pen area when he is there. Not to mention his threat in opposition area during corner kicks. Just my two cents. | ||
Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On November 27 2014 08:34 GizmoPT wrote: Bye bye Benfica :D Leverkusen needed just a point at home to Monaco today to win the group. They lost 1-0, but thankfully fixture order means they qualified for the knockout stages anyway, since Monaco plays Zenit in the last game, while Leverkusen plays Benfica away. I hope they can win; Benfica have looked dreadful in their CL games thus far. Regarding Fabregas, I'm reserving judgement on him. I can't deny that he's been one of the stars of the PL season thus far. But he started every season at Barca in blistering form as well, only to disappear in the second half of the season, when the games started to get meaningful. We'll see how he fares at Chelsea. On November 27 2014 10:22 Skynx wrote: Dortmund is just fine with their entire squad. Reus and Hummels is monumental in BVBs set up, I would dven dare to say Dortmund without Reus is like Real without Ronaldo. He has a touch in all the chances they create, him alone posesses half of the teams counter attack phase, and on top of that he makes the plays like we saw in Gala game. Hummels on the other hand is arguably one of the best CBs in the world, always on top of positioning, you cant land a single air ball inside dortmund pen area when he is there. Not to mention his threat in opposition area during corner kicks. Just my two cents. I agree. It's not fair to call a player a bust when they've had literally less than half of a season to settle in. IMO a player needs at least a full season before they can really be judged. These guys are with a new team, in a new league, in a different nation and culture, where everyone is speaking a foreign language. That's a lot to adjust to. And it's not really fair to criticize the team for not having the depth to deal with all these injuries. No club can predict and plan for an injury crisis of that magnitude while having a practical squad size. They'd have to have a squad of like 35 players for that. | ||
CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On November 27 2014 08:19 Twisted wrote: I don't want to point out the obvious here, but when players leave for lesser clubs while holding their own in the top teams of the world, obviously they're gonna shine. Fabregas has played well for Chelsea, but no better than he did at Barça. He also has way more space in the BPL because it's a more offensive/easier league for a player with his specific qualities. Trading Alexis for Suarez is all politics though. I don't think either is better than the other. Suarez was the best player in the BPL, now Sanchez has taken over the throne. I don't think there's much difference in skill between the two. Unless Suarez starts banging in 30 goals a season, I wouldn't call him better than Sanchez. i think its a system issue too tho... esp with cesc but really with sanchez too. when you go to barca, messi is the star, not sanchez and that leads to sanchez being shoved wider for cesc barca is limiting his freedom, because he's really a xavi double and thats where they tried playing him for a long time | ||
chrisolo
Germany2604 Posts
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wingpawn
Poland1342 Posts
They lost to Arsenal because of their own, maximum-risk style of playing. First goal was a failed offside trap, second was central midfielders pushing way too far up and Sanchez running into the space behind to get an inspiring one-in-a-hundred shot. On November 27 2014 13:55 CeriseCherries wrote: i think its a system issue too tho... esp with cesc but really with sanchez too. when you go to barca, messi is the star, not sanchez and that leads to sanchez being shoved wider for cesc barca is limiting his freedom, because he's really a xavi double and thats where they tried playing him for a long time Is this some sort of collective amnesia? Yes, Fabregas could and should've been taking over Xavi's boots in Barcelona but they never gave him a chance because a) nobody had the balls to bench Xavi even when he had a poor run of form and b) the whole Barca tactics was based on a midfielder who is a passing robot and who always recieves first pass after the interception to maintain the posession with more safe, short passes (just as Xabi Alonso does in Bayern now). After years in England, Fabregas could never been such player because he was taught to play ball fast above everything else. Because of that, if he played instad of Xavi, the whole team would have to pretty much change their style of playing OR, do what they did and constantly use Cesc as "that one too many" midfielder. By choosing the latter, they've basically refused to face the issue of Xavi's aging and now, they have Rakitic, who has the same compatibility issues while being a lesser player than Fabregas. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Bundesliga strong this week :D Lets see if Everton can beat Wolfsburg for the clean sweep | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Matchday 5! Kick Off 19:45 GMT (+00:00) 1-1 3-2 CSKA vs Roma kick off 17:00 GMT (+00:00) 0-4 3-1 0-5 3-1 0-3 0-1 BATE vs Porto kick off 17:00 GMT (+00:00) 4-0 0-2 2-2 0-1 1-0 0-1 Zenit vs Benfica kick off 17:00 GMT (+00:00) 2-0 2-0 | ||
SatsuinoHado
Bulgaria777 Posts
On November 27 2014 17:32 Pandemona wrote: England 10 - 2 Germany Bundesliga strong this week :D Lets see if Everton can beat Wolfsburg for the clean sweep And again the final will be Spain vs Germany or Spain vs Spain... | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
Round of 16 Confirmed Teams Group Winners 2nd Seeds Into the Round of 16 | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51324 Posts
On November 27 2014 17:37 SatsuinoHado wrote: And again the final will be Spain vs Germany or Spain vs Spain... We shall see wouldn't rule out the way Chelsea are playing at all. | ||
Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
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themartinez
Sweden254 Posts
On November 27 2014 16:33 wingpawn wrote: Actually, BvB yesterday didn't look that bad. The game was fairly level. They lost to Arsenal because of their own, maximum-risk style of playing. First goal was a failed offside trap, second was central midfielders pushing way too far up and Sanchez running into the space behind to get an inspiring one-in-a-hundred shot. Is this some sort of collective amnesia? Yes, Fabregas could and should've been taking over Xavi's boots in Barcelona but they never gave him a chance because a) nobody had the balls to bench Xavi even when he had a poor run of form and b) the whole Barca tactics was based on a midfielder who is a passing robot and who always recieves first pass after the interception to maintain the posession with more safe, short passes (just as Xabi Alonso does in Bayern now). After years in England, Fabregas could never been such player because he was taught to play ball fast above everything else. Because of that, if he played instad of Xavi, the whole team would have to pretty much change their style of playing OR, do what they did and constantly use Cesc as "that one too many" midfielder. By choosing the latter, they've basically refused to face the issue of Xavi's aging and now, they have Rakitic, who has the same compatibility issues while being a lesser player than Fabregas. Dont know how anyone can make this statement with a straight face. The one with amnesia if probably you, because the difference between fabregas and xavi during barcas highpoint was that xavi could deal with pressure while fabregas got done for. Fabregas could make these amazing assists and plenty of them when they played vs terrible opposition. Thats all fine and well until you face the likes of bayern. During those games fabregas was just too lazy. Lets compare that typ of mentality to raketic who does not stop running, a player who disrupted both barca and real madrids midfields, which fabregas NEVER did. | ||
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