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On July 16 2016 06:06 Jaaaaasper wrote: To be fair the NFL also refused to negotiate. And if he was innocent and getting railroaded, why wouldn't he and the nflpa fight it? If the NFL can do this to Tom Fucking Brady, they can do it to anyone. What if they got after a player who speaks out against shady concussion or pain killer shit next? the judge stated both sides did engage in negotiations. Tom should've carved out the best deal possible. But what do I know i'm canadian .. i negotiate and bargain on everything.
Brady was fucking with the NFL's investigative process and the Pats have a history of fucking with the rules. That is the main reason for the 4 game suspension... this has little to do with under-inflated footballs.
i think he probably ordered footballs to be slightly deflated.
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On July 16 2016 06:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2016 06:06 Jaaaaasper wrote: To be fair the NFL also refused to negotiate. And if he was innocent and getting railroaded, why wouldn't he and the nflpa fight it? If the NFL can do this to Tom Fucking Brady, they can do it to anyone. What if they got after a player who speaks out against shady concussion or pain killer shit next? the judge stated both sides did engage in negotiations. Tom should've carved out the best deal possible. But what do I know i'm canadian .. i negotiate and bargain on everything. Brady was fucking with the NFL's investigative process and the Pats have a history of fucking with the rules. That is the main reason for the 4 game suspension... this has little to do with under-inflated footballs. i think he probably ordered footballs to be slightly deflated. I get it, you're Canadian. Saying bend over and take the tip isn't an acceptable strategy if you are innocent for most people.
Rant + Show Spoiler + Brady gave the interviews requested; he refused to give his personal phone (which wasn't required by the CBA but he gave them text records which they could match up to the phones they did get form the other parties involved); he also gave them more than they needed in emails, which immediately went public and led to stories about Brady and Giselle arguing about a pool cover color. Imagine what would have happened with his phone.
There are college courses on "Deflategate" covering both the legal and scientific issues. The science is crap from a crap making company known for defrauding the public. There's an issue with the guy taking balls into the bathroom yes, but it's entirely possible he went piss and didn't wash his hands... The numbers for the patriots balls makes sense under the ideal gas law and the colts actually come out weird. The fact the NFL refused to open the records of the measurements this year despite preemptively using new balls at halftime of a really cold playoff game should speak for how confident they are in the actual science... The legal stuff ended with 2 judges saying it was BS to do what they did and 2 saying the players agreed to the deal (neither of which cases looked at the science).
"But what about the texts, huh? Why would he call himself the deflator if he was innocent?" Why did he call someone a Dorito Dink? Did the person actually jack off after eating a bag of doritos and end up with an orange penis? Probably not... The texts are pretty much irrelevant, they are from waaay before this game and mostly bitching about a Jets game where Brady got upset the refs overinflated the balls to Aaron Rodgers levels. It's almost impossible to get the context of text messages from people who see each other on a regular basis in person. Most of the times it's conversations carried forward with inside jokes and mannerisms. Looking at my friends discord, I would surmise he thinks this person should stop fucking chickens. He doesn't actually mean that, it's a continuation of general dumbassery from a previous conversation about the movie Super Troopers...
The Patriots also don't have a history of shady behavior, they have "Spygate". BB continued a practice that was legal several years before and common practice among the old school coaches (not saying they still did it after the rule change). BB and Kraft apologized and took it on the chin, because they were guilty. Nothing other than that has been against the rules. BB finds new ways to beat teams sometimes (Harbough and the Ravens might call it cheating but it was legitimate), but It's because he knows the rulebook inside and out. This is the same guy that has been pushing for pylon cams for years, the guy that pushed for a PAT change for years, the guy that had Flutie do a drop kick that hadn't been done in years. Him doing his job better than another coach isn't cheating or shady, it's being great. AFAIK they haven't been involved in crowd noise violations or salary cap manipulation, I'd be happy to hear anyone who knows of any other violations so I can be corrected in the future.
At this point though, facts are irrelevant to most people. The NFL did a great job letting false information sit out there for too long, which combined with a large percentage of football fans, and especially the other owners, disliking the smugness of BB and the sustained success of the Pats was all the info people needed. People still say the Patriots taped the Rams walkthrough before the Superbowl because ESPN said it, doesn't matter that it was retracted because it never happened, it fits their narrative of those damn cheating Patriots.
BTW, I believe Rog-god tried to appease Kraft by not throwing a stink about the contract restructuring Brady did and giving 3 out of 4 games at home during the suspension.
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if they've decided you're guilty you need to react accordingly. the facts do not matter. and taking it out of the realm of the NFL's power circle is like going crying to the teacher in grade 8. I think he is guilty and is attempting to "protect his legacy". However, as of late August guilt or innocence meant nothing. The NFL was pissed off and they were intent on exacting their pound of flesh. Brady should've saw that ... and rather than acting like Pete Rose... he should've cut a deal.
The NFL's entire power structure has now watched Brady attempt to stare down their entire regime. Guaranteed there are authority figures throughout the NFL from referees to replay guys to Goodell's advisors who will now be looking for any excuse they can find to fuck over Brady.
On July 16 2016 09:23 giftdgecko wrote: "At this point though, facts are irrelevant to most people. The NFL did a great job letting false information sit out there for too long, which combined with a large percentage of football fans, and especially the other owners, disliking the smugness of BB and the sustained success of the Pats was all the info people needed."
this is a good point you make and its a direct result of Tom Brady trying to stare down 31 billionaires. If Brady keeps up with this bullshit the NFL power structure will do to him what the MLB power structure did to Pete Rose. I think Tom has learned his lesson though.
i'm glad we both agree that at this point the truth does not matter.
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Non-NFL related football if interested... + Show Spoiler +Second half of our season started. We finished the first half 4-0 with 24 points allowed (counting a safety the O gave up). For some strange scheduling reason they were all home games and we now go on the road for 4 games... We ended up losing last week 33-34 to the team we beat week 1. (Their starting QB missed the 1st game while coaching in Italy.) I'm now 0-4 visiting them over the past 3 years! We got a TD with 90s to go and opted as a team to go for the win instead of a tie. We still hold the points lead over them assuming we both end up 7-1 we'll have home field for the playoffs. Last weekend we traveled to my birth town to play the 3rd place team (2-2). If you're bored and want to watch there's a VOD at the bottom. + Show Spoiler [spoiler] + We took a 31 point lead into halftime and didn't allow a score until the 4th quarter for a 51-21 win We've allowed a few too many points in our first 2 road games and I have some things to correct!
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guess all those years working as a coach eventually took a toll on his health. rip.
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It looks like we Niners fans will be going into the season with the knowledge that Gabbert is the best QB on our team. Goddamn.
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On August 05 2016 11:15 xDaunt wrote: It looks like we Niners fans will be going into the season with the knowledge that Gabbert is the best QB on our team. Goddamn. DeAndre Smelter hype train tho
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meh I think our dumb fanbase is overhyping him due to there being no one else of note on the outside. Smelter has health issues, a lack of football experience, and ran an extremely limited tree in college
at least he's used to shit qb play
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I think that there are only two things that Niners fans might be able to get excited about: the new run game and the play from Armstead and Buckner up front on the D-line. By all accounts, Anthony Davis is looking really good in his return to the Niners, so the O-line also should be vastly improved from the debacle it was last season (but that's not saying much given how bad it was).
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On August 06 2016 01:00 QuanticHawk wrote: meh I think our dumb fanbase is overhyping him due to there being no one else of note on the outside. Smelter has health issues, a lack of football experience, and ran an extremely limited tree in college
at least he's used to shit qb play nah dude he's going to light it up. the next great GT receiver
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On July 18 2016 21:19 y0su wrote:Non-NFL related football if interested... + Show Spoiler +Second half of our season started. We finished the first half 4-0 with 24 points allowed (counting a safety the O gave up). For some strange scheduling reason they were all home games and we now go on the road for 4 games... We ended up losing last week 33-34 to the team we beat week 1. (Their starting QB missed the 1st game while coaching in Italy.) I'm now 0-4 visiting them over the past 3 years! We got a TD with 90s to go and opted as a team to go for the win instead of a tie. We still hold the points lead over them assuming we both end up 7-1 we'll have home field for the playoffs. Last weekend we traveled to my birth town to play the 3rd place team (2-2). If you're bored and want to watch there's a VOD at the bottom. + Show Spoiler [spoiler] + We took a 31 point lead into halftime and didn't allow a score until the 4th quarter for a 51-21 win We've allowed a few too many points in our first 2 road games and I have some things to correct!
i wish the NFL played on a bigger field so that the games looked more like your games or CFL games. i'm a big fan of wide open play. A few years ago the league was considering it.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/12/sports/la-sp-sn-nfl-wider-field-20130212
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poor guy must've fucked with the wrong voodoo gods. was a shoe-in first rounder until tearing one of his acl's in his last game at oregon.
at least he has draft insurance to work with.
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wasn't even in the last game at Oregon. it was in the practice before it. such horrible luck
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Hello friends. I use playstation vue and am wondering if there is a way for me to pay for NFL Network/NFL Redzone separately and Chromecast or if there is a way to get it to stream through PS4?
If anyone can help with that answer here or send me a PM.
Thanks.
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