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Wow what a start of the season! Ferrari and Merc will hopefully keep having a close battle all season long with RB in the rear mirror too. Having 6 legitimately fast drivers is like a dream.
Also, lol, took them 1h24min to finish the race Fastest in history?
Might want to add Antonio Giovinazzi as a rookie and Sauber driver, did a great job replacing Pascal at such short notice and had a solid race. Pascal pulling out because he is apparently not fit enough but I don't see how that can change by China so wouldn't be surprised if Giovinazzi is racing there too.
For the first time I'm actually caught up on F1 and can look at internet discussions. I spent the whole last F1 season with several races queued on my friend's DVR and had to avoid anything on the internet that might talk about it.
Having watched today's race, how do you guys think the new rules are working out for improving the spectator value of the sport? On the one hand, it's great to see an actual fight for 1st place. On the other hand, overtaking sure doesn't seem very easy right now, and if I understood correctly, the new tires make undercutting pretty hard too. That means you can almost just take a track position and then hold it for the rest of the race, unless you get screwed on pit/tire strategy.
Hamilton was not very happy with his car yesterday and i think Mercedes messed him up pitting him to come out behind Max who he was never passing. Better off keeping him out a lap or two longer and then Max would have pitted in the time frame he needed or just find him a better slot to fit into.
After that though, the pits around 17-20Lap it was an absolutely shocking race lol, nothing happened at all i hope cars are not to big to overtake with now like Lewis and Max claim.
Also please anything but Vettell and that god damn finger to win this season, guy annoying as T_T
On March 27 2017 14:57 ChristianS wrote: For the first time I'm actually caught up on F1 and can look at internet discussions. I spent the whole last F1 season with several races queued on my friend's DVR and had to avoid anything on the internet that might talk about it.
Having watched today's race, how do you guys think the new rules are working out for improving the spectator value of the sport? On the one hand, it's great to see an actual fight for 1st place. On the other hand, overtaking sure doesn't seem very easy right now, and if I understood correctly, the new tires make undercutting pretty hard too. That means you can almost just take a track position and then hold it for the rest of the race, unless you get screwed on pit/tire strategy.
On March 27 2017 17:00 Laurens wrote: There was a lot of hype in Belgium for Stoffel Vandoorne, but apparently McLaren has a really shitty car. Unlucky
Quote from him after the race: "I will remember the positive point: the car was able to finish"
That sounds pitiful because it seems like it should be a given, but I mean, 30% of the cars out there retired early, right? I assume that's because these are new cars still kinda being developed, so they don't know everything that can go wrong yet, but in that light it isn't nothing that the car was stable enough to finish.
Although if you're not in the points anyway, maybe you'd hope your car would fail somehow so you can learn more and maybe prevent a failure in a race where you could actually get points.
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On March 28 2017 01:51 Pontual wrote: Couldn't watch, did my boy Max Verstappen got a good placement?
Not bad, P5. Not really challenging the Ferraris like last season but given the weekend Red Bull had, Max has nothing to complain about.
Watched formula 1 and all 3 moto gp races yesterday.
Formula 1 is so friggin boring, all 3 motogp races were pure awesome but formula 1? Lets make cars and tires even wider so its even more about pit stopps/strategy and not about actual racing.
Sry for hating, but i was actually pissed after the formula 1 race... Go watch the moto gp races, thats what this should be about.
He only has one race under his belt and he is already trolled? Here in Montreal, the medias are talking a lot about Stroll, but they always characterize him as the son of a billionaire. I guess he will have to work hard to silence his detractors. Will see
He only has one race under his belt and he is already trolled? Here in Montreal, the medias are talking a lot about Stroll, but they always characterize him as the son of a billionaire. I guess he will have to work hard to silence his detractors. Will see
It that can make you feel better (ahem), this ignominy of a website was created before his first race.
I mean, he crashed multiple times in testing. He has credentials, but these are the most intense cars we've seen in decades. For a rookie with only a single championship in the feeders, it's going to be a rough year. Unless he can post some points finishes, he's going to be followed by the rhetoric that the only reason why he has his seat is because of his father's money.
Red Bull pls.
I personally enjoyed the impact of the rule changes. Sure, there were fewer overtakes, but I still found the race exciting. It feels like there's once again an added level of the drivers fighting their own cars. I can't wait to see how many people lose it at Canada. honestly, the worse thing for the spectator experience is the new tire compounds allowing for single stop strategies across the board.
On March 29 2017 06:25 peanuts wrote: I can't wait to see how many people lose it at Canada. honestly, the worse thing for the spectator experience is the new tire compounds allowing for single stop strategies across the board.
(I could be very wrong here, forgive me if I am)
A while back a single stop strat was a huuuuuuuuge gamble that made people excited. First off you couldn't see it coming usually. Usually you would see a car running out a lap or two past the max pit window. It would make you say "hey wait he didn't pit yet?!?!?" Then there was the build up of can he even hold out that extra turn to make it to the pit. Then you had that feeling of when would they actually pit and when they did, how fast it was going to be. There was all this build up that you don't get now that everyone is at least doing a single pit.
Yeah, what was the thinking on the new tire compounds exactly? If I understand correctly, they've kinda killed undercuts because they take a couple laps to warm up. They last way longer so people can do single stop strategies all the time. What about this was supposed to make the racing better?
I mean, maybe they thought it was a problem that people weren't willing to do exciting risky maneuvers to overtake, because it'll tear up their tires too much, so with more robust tires they could keep doing their two stop strategies and take a lot more risks trying to get past people, but it seems like people will just keep avoiding those risky overtakes and take one stop instead of two.
Is there something I'm missing here? What's the upside?
Australia is not enough data for me to comment on how the racing will turn out this season. I enjoyed F1 been back I love that we might have an inter team battle. If overtaking does turn out to be a problem that will be disapointing. But I think we should hold judgement for now.
The most disapointing thing is I won't be going to Shanghai. I failed to get a cheap seat before they all sold out and couldn't really justify spending a fortune on it. I'm not rich.
Upside is your on the track more, you have tyres that grip for longer so you can overtake at any given point. Last couple of years it been even worst where at best you can get like 10-12 laps out of the fastest compound that aint good for anything. F1 should be about wheel to wheel racing not about who can change a tyre the quickest in the pit.
Next few races should line up the season, however Martin Brundle isn't convinced they have it right at all and is already counting down to when Brawn can influence his changes in the spot by 2021. Who knows though, drivers saying the cars the funniest to drive in years.
F1 is so similar to RTS, in that sense. People predict which technologies will make the sport more fun to watch, and which don't. Experts predict, and are sometimes right and sometimes wrong.
At least in F1 they had the sense to ban traction control.
Haha yeah but we just got rid of David Kim (Bernie) and replaced him with Ross Brawn who is fantastic for this sport and will know what needs to be done as he been on both sides of spectrum etc
I can't believe Honda and McLaren still haven't got their shit together. How long can you continue to be a 'top team' while having a terrible car package. At some point sponsors will get weary right? At least Alonso can't call it GP2 engine anymore since that series is now called F2 lol
Oh well first race was promising, really hope Ferrari and Mercedes are super close speed wise. It would be nice not to know which team will win before it starts.
On March 31 2017 21:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I can't believe Honda and McLaren still haven't got their shit together. How long can you continue to be a 'top team' while having a terrible car package. At some point sponsors will get weary right? At least Alonso can't call it GP2 engine anymore since that series is now called F2 lol
Oh well first race was promising, really hope Ferrari and Mercedes are super close speed wise. It would be nice not to know which team will win before it starts.
I think McHonda gets most of its huge budget directly from Honda. I mean, they don't have a title sponsor, and their sponsors don't even have their corporate colors on the car. The only way they can have a budget equal to Merc, Red Bull and Ferrari is thus Honda's money.
On March 31 2017 21:43 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I can't believe Honda and McLaren still haven't got their shit together. How long can you continue to be a 'top team' while having a terrible car package. At some point sponsors will get weary right? At least Alonso can't call it GP2 engine anymore since that series is now called F2 lol
Oh well first race was promising, really hope Ferrari and Mercedes are super close speed wise. It would be nice not to know which team will win before it starts.
I think McHonda gets most of its huge budget directly from Honda. I mean, they don't have a title sponsor, and their sponsors don't even have their corporate colors on the car. The only way they can have a budget equal to Merc, Red Bull and Ferrari is thus Honda's money.
A lot of McLaren's money will come from the hugely successful technology business.
On March 29 2017 08:52 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, what was the thinking on the new tire compounds exactly? If I understand correctly, they've kinda killed undercuts because they take a couple laps to warm up. They last way longer so people can do single stop strategies all the time. What about this was supposed to make the racing better?
I mean, maybe they thought it was a problem that people weren't willing to do exciting risky maneuvers to overtake, because it'll tear up their tires too much, so with more robust tires they could keep doing their two stop strategies and take a lot more risks trying to get past people, but it seems like people will just keep avoiding those risky overtakes and take one stop instead of two.
Is there something I'm missing here? What's the upside?
The upside is that drivers can actually push.
Drivers like Alonso were very vocal about it the past few years. Once the following order settled after the first few laps, drivers were not racing but rather managing their fuel and tires. This year's change of regulations partially addressed the fuel limitations and Pirelli can make tires not designed to disintegrate.
At the end, racing won't improve while cars cannot follow closely, and that won't happen while cars are so dependent on aero and produce so much dirty air. With Ross Brawn at the lead, I hope this will be addressed as well.
On March 29 2017 08:52 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, what was the thinking on the new tire compounds exactly? If I understand correctly, they've kinda killed undercuts because they take a couple laps to warm up. They last way longer so people can do single stop strategies all the time. What about this was supposed to make the racing better?
I mean, maybe they thought it was a problem that people weren't willing to do exciting risky maneuvers to overtake, because it'll tear up their tires too much, so with more robust tires they could keep doing their two stop strategies and take a lot more risks trying to get past people, but it seems like people will just keep avoiding those risky overtakes and take one stop instead of two.
Is there something I'm missing here? What's the upside?
The upside is that drivers can actually push.
Drivers like Alonso were very vocal about it the past few years. Once the following order settled after the first few laps, drivers were not racing but rather managing their fuel and tires. This year's change of regulations partially addressed the fuel limitations and Pirelli can make tires not designed to disintegrate.
At the end, racing won't improve while cars cannot follow closely, and that won't happen while cars are so dependent on aero and produce so much dirty air. With Ross Brawn at the lead, I hope this will be addressed as well.
Interesting. I think Vettel gave an interview to that effect, talking about how you could really throw yourself around corners even several laps in, presumably because of the sturdier tires (although in his case he's also probably just happy to be in a more competitive car). If winning became more about pushing your lap times and less about preserving your tires that would be good in my book.
I don't immediately see what can be done about aero though. Unless you throw jet engines or something on the car, you're gonna get your power from friction with the ground, and friction is a function of normal force times coefficient of friction. So to go faster, you either need more down force (i.e. from aero) or stickier tires.
In general I prefer aero to sticky tires, for safety reasons. Cars with a lot of down force will stay down, even if the driver loses traction, but if sticky tires are what give you the grip to get around corners, then as soon as those tires lift even a little bit you're free to sail through the air. Personally, I think safety should be a top priority in motorsport, considering the inherent risks involved, so I'd rather the cars lean more on aero.
But I don't really know enough about any of this to say if it's possible to lean a bit more on sticky tires while maintaining enough aero that the car will still stay down, or if it's possible to design the aero in such a way that the air behind you isn't quite as torn up. But to my amateur eye, it seems like it's a choice between reducing aero and increasing frictional coefficient (reducing safety), or reducing aero and just letting the cars go slower as a result, or leaving it alone and making drivers try to push through all the bad air.
As with all of my commentary on F1, I'm not an expert on any of this so I could have it completely wrong, but I guess it just seems like you have to make sacrifices somewhere, and I'm not honestly sure where I'd rather put them.
On March 29 2017 08:52 ChristianS wrote: Yeah, what was the thinking on the new tire compounds exactly? If I understand correctly, they've kinda killed undercuts because they take a couple laps to warm up. They last way longer so people can do single stop strategies all the time. What about this was supposed to make the racing better?
I mean, maybe they thought it was a problem that people weren't willing to do exciting risky maneuvers to overtake, because it'll tear up their tires too much, so with more robust tires they could keep doing their two stop strategies and take a lot more risks trying to get past people, but it seems like people will just keep avoiding those risky overtakes and take one stop instead of two.
Is there something I'm missing here? What's the upside?
The upside is that drivers can actually push.
Drivers like Alonso were very vocal about it the past few years. Once the following order settled after the first few laps, drivers were not racing but rather managing their fuel and tires. This year's change of regulations partially addressed the fuel limitations and Pirelli can make tires not designed to disintegrate.
At the end, racing won't improve while cars cannot follow closely, and that won't happen while cars are so dependent on aero and produce so much dirty air. With Ross Brawn at the lead, I hope this will be addressed as well.
Interesting. I think Vettel gave an interview to that effect, talking about how you could really throw yourself around corners even several laps in, presumably because of the sturdier tires (although in his case he's also probably just happy to be in a more competitive car). If winning became more about pushing your lap times and less about preserving your tires that would be good in my book.
I don't immediately see what can be done about aero though. Unless you throw jet engines or something on the car, you're gonna get your power from friction with the ground, and friction is a function of normal force times coefficient of friction. So to go faster, you either need more down force (i.e. from aero) or stickier tires.
In general I prefer aero to sticky tires, for safety reasons. Cars with a lot of down force will stay down, even if the driver loses traction, but if sticky tires are what give you the grip to get around corners, then as soon as those tires lift even a little bit you're free to sail through the air. Personally, I think safety should be a top priority in motorsport, considering the inherent risks involved, so I'd rather the cars lean more on aero.
But I don't really know enough about any of this to say if it's possible to lean a bit more on sticky tires while maintaining enough aero that the car will still stay down, or if it's possible to design the aero in such a way that the air behind you isn't quite as torn up. But to my amateur eye, it seems like it's a choice between reducing aero and increasing frictional coefficient (reducing safety), or reducing aero and just letting the cars go slower as a result, or leaving it alone and making drivers try to push through all the bad air.
As with all of my commentary on F1, I'm not an expert on any of this so I could have it completely wrong, but I guess it just seems like you have to make sacrifices somewhere, and I'm not honestly sure where I'd rather put them.
The problem is not so much aero downforce but how it is generated. Formulas like WEC LMP1 also generate tons of downforce, but cars can follow each other. Formula 1 got so many restrictions on ground effect and body work that you end with overdeveloped body parts that produce tons of dirty air. The front wings are a good example; they wouldn't look like this if teams were able to use their resources on other parts of the car.
The thing is the floor (which is much less affected by dirty air) is extremely restricted by the rules of F1. If teams had more leeway with the floors, then you could reduce the aero generated by the wings without reducing the overall downforce and dirty air would be less of an issue
Interesting. Is there a downside to giving teams more leeway with floors? I'm having trouble picturing the changes you guys describe, and certainly have none of the expertise or CFD understanding to know what that entails.
I think, but don't quote me on that, that when the floor restrictions were implemented it was because floors generated too much downforce at the time. Tbh if they'd just introduced the tires this year, without any aero change the races would have been really interesting because of the added mechanical grip/longer lasting tires.
Everythig I have seen so far points to Ferrari having the faster race car. China is a power circuit and traditionaly has been good for Mercedes. You could argue that the new regulations make historic tracks been good for certain cars irelevant. But the chat is Ferrari are fast because of the airo package. So I think this is a Mercedes circuit still applies. It is important for Mercedes to win here if things are where I think they are because there will be tracks Ferrari are just too fast.
There is enough excitement and intrigue without rain for me. We normally want rain to mix things up. But right now we aren't really sure where things are anyway. I can't wait. Just dissapointed I am not there.
This is so crazy from Alonso, shows he really has had enough and wants to wind his contract down and get out so fast. Such a shame, Mclaren were so good now look at them
I was going to make an analogy of Andy Murray not playing at Wimbeldon to attend a ping pong tournment. Unfortunately I live in China and pingpong is actually a pretty big sport here completely ruining my joke/analogy.
But yeah most teams would not let their drivers go and most drivers wouldn't want to lose any points in the Championship. So it really shows how off the pace Mclaren are and how desperate they are to please Alonso that they let him go.
I think Honda have been more than a little suprised at how much Formula One has moved on in the last decade or so. I was comng of age in terms of cars in the 90's and my first cool sports car was Vtech Honda CRX del sol. I was saving for a Mitsubishi GTO before I moved to Korea and started to lose interest in wasting all my money on cars. But growing up all the cool cars where Japanese.
The random boosts of speed of Bottas just when Vettel was about to enter the DRS range were interesting. Lewis whining was fun, too. Other than that, boring race.
That was the worst race i've ever seen tbh, apart from Vettel at the end there wasn't a single gap between cars that wasn't 2 seconds or more. Looked like no overtakes outside of the first lap too.
Was probably the best start though in terms of how much happened from Hamilton nearly getting into 3rd and Bottas taking first. Then bit of standard first corner incident, but yeah silly race after that, looks like that beautiful track wasn't wide enough for these new cars to make moves on / the air to turbulent
On May 29 2017 07:14 mderg wrote: I don't think Ferrari planned it exactly like that, they certainly won't mind the result, though.
Yeah agreed. If Vettel would have undercut and he would in the end still be in the front because he was that much faster than Kimi people would once again talk about how it was a team order... If Vettel would have been ordered into the pit 1 lap after Kimi while Vettel was driving times in the low 1.15.00s it would have been a team order directly against Vettel on the other hand.
The moment Vettel was so much faster than Kimi today there was no way there would be a good time to pit stop them both without it looking dumb.
I literally don't know when Vettel and Kimi should have gone for the pit stop and the complainers never give a good alternative. Before the race everyone was like :" If Ferrari let's Vettel undercut it's because they want him in front." Now afterwards it's the direct opposite.
I heard Lewis was talking mess about "Ferrari screwed over Kimi to help Vettel win the Drivers' championship, maybe we need to start doing the same thing"? When the hell has Bottas not happily handed position to Hamilton hoping Mercedes will take him again next year if he's a team player?
Well I thought Vettel was an idiot when he insulted race control in hungary several years ago, but this just raises it to a whole different level. I have no idea if Hamilton broke any rules, but even if he did Vettel should be black flagged.
On June 25 2017 23:18 sneirac wrote: Well I thought Vettel was an idiot when he insulted race control in hungary several years ago, but this just raises it to a whole different level. I have no idea if Hamilton broke any rules, but even if he did Vettel should be black flagged.
Yeah both broke rules. Vettel obviously way harder. I would have agreed with a 10s stop/go for Ham and a blackflag for Vettel
Bottas wow what a finish. Right at the finishing line.
Both Hamilton and Vettel should be DQed imo for dangerous driving. Vettel incident was more serious but he was maybe taunted into it by the "brake check"
Wonderful day for Stroll and Ricciardo. Chaotic race to say the least.
Sad that Max once again had engine trouble, he could've profited greatly in this race. If this doesn't get fixed soon Red Bull will lose Max to Ferrari or Mercedes next season.
On June 26 2017 01:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Crazy race. Amazing how absolutely terrible Baku was with dealing with some debris but it made for an interesting spectacle in the end.
Vettel also gets 3 penalty points on his license for his dumb move. Really blows my mind how a 4 time champion gets heated like that.
Vettel also seems to be acting as if he never hit Hamilton which is a freakin joke
Not sure what to think about Hamiltons brake check. Not a great thing to do either.
Hamilton didn't break test he kept a constant speed to let the safety car pull away just Vettel accelerated not paying attention, then went into massive road rage mode the moron. Feel bad for Hamilton dominated the race, great safety car restarts every time but something stupid like the head rest ruins the whole weekend.
Vettel just an idiot tbh hope he gets enough penalty points for a ban.
On June 26 2017 01:29 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Crazy race. Amazing how absolutely terrible Baku was with dealing with some debris but it made for an interesting spectacle in the end.
Vettel also gets 3 penalty points on his license for his dumb move. Really blows my mind how a 4 time champion gets heated like that.
Vettel also seems to be acting as if he never hit Hamilton which is a freakin joke
Hamilton didn't break test he kept a constant speed to let the safety car pull away just Vettel accelerated not paying attention, then went into massive road rage mode the moron. Feel bad for Hamilton dominated the race, great safety car restarts every time but something stupid like the head rest ruins the whole weekend.
Vettel just an idiot tbh hope he gets enough penalty points for a ban.
The FIA is known to give their stars a lot of leeway. Honestly, as much as I dislike Vettel, I'm not sure the FIA would have said 'it wasn't a break test' if Hamilton wasn't a superstar of racing. The same goes for Vettel. He surely wouldn't have gotten of this lightly if he was someone like Vandoorne or Palmer.
Hamilton didn't break test he kept a constant speed to let the safety car pull away just Vettel accelerated not paying attention, then went into massive road rage mode the moron. Feel bad for Hamilton dominated the race, great safety car restarts every time but something stupid like the head rest ruins the whole weekend.
Vettel just an idiot tbh hope he gets enough penalty points for a ban.
Luckily theres cameras and anyone with eyes can see what actually happened, disproving FIA's mercedes protecting bullshit. Onboard shows Vettel not accelerating, driving at around equal speed to Hamilton going into the corner and suddenly slamming into the back of Hamilton after actually slowing down by 15 kph.
FIA and Hamilton (Bottas should slow down and give up his podium for me) are a sad joke. Bottas rams Raikkonen into the wall like a torpedo, no action as well. lol
Hamilton didn't break test he kept a constant speed to let the safety car pull away just Vettel accelerated not paying attention, then went into massive road rage mode the moron. Feel bad for Hamilton dominated the race, great safety car restarts every time but something stupid like the head rest ruins the whole weekend.
Vettel just an idiot tbh hope he gets enough penalty points for a ban.
Luckily theres cameras and anyone with eyes can see what actually happened, disproving FIA's mercedes protecting bullshit. Onboard shows Vettel not accelerating, driving at around equal speed to Hamilton going into the corner and suddenly slamming into the back of Hamilton after actually slowing down by 15 kph.
FIA and Hamilton (Bottas should slow down and give up his podium for me) are a sad joke. Bottas rams Raikkonen into the wall like a torpedo, no action as well. lol
K makeup your own story against all the evidence, meanwhile
You will see that first time Hamilton slows down before the apex (normal behaviour) and second time at/after the apex (could be considered erratic behaviour punishable under sporting regulations 39.13, since people tend to accelerate after a sharp corner and not slow down).
You will think Vettel left a bigger gap the first time around as FIA mentions and tries to show in video, but actually the video isnt properly synced, the gap is pretty much the same when Vettel reaches the corner both times (a few seconds later on the left screen). The difference is first time Hamilton is already driving slowly, second time he slows down dangerously causing a collision, cause the gap is too small for reacting to such counterintuitive maneuver (slowing down after a cornerapex) and he forces the car behind him to brake in the apex on the kerbs.
Fia / formula1 is distorting the evidence in favor of Hamilton quite obviously.
Still doesnt make Vettels action afterwards right. Hamilton should have had a 5 or 10 sec time penalty though (not the stop and go variation).
You will see that first time Hamilton slows down before the apex (normal behaviour) and second time at/after the apex (could be considered erratic behaviour punishable under sporting regulations 39.13, since people tend to accelerate after a sharp corner and not slow down).
You will think Vettel left a bigger gap the first time around as FIA mentions and tries to show in video, but actually the video isnt properly synced, the gap is pretty much the same when Vettel reaches the corner both times (a few seconds later on the left screen). The difference is first time Hamilton is already driving slowly, second time he slows down dangerously causing a collision, cause the gap is too small for reacting to such counterintuitive maneuver (slowing down after a cornerapex) and he forces the car behind him to brake in the apex on the kerbs.
Fia / formula1 is distorting the evidence in favor of Hamilton quite obviously.
Still doesnt make Vettels action afterwards right. Hamilton should have had a 5 or 10 sec time penalty though (not the stop and go variation).
This is bullshit man, Hamilton controls the pace as he's the race leader and the safety car lights are off and yes, he does slow down a little bit (although it was not a brake test at all), but Vettel is just trying to stay too close and is already accelerating to be as close as possible. It's not Hamilton's problem Vettel is taking too much risk and is caught out not paying attention.
Hamilton is in no way to blame here and Vettel should have gotten a DSQ for his behavior. I find it ridiculous he got away with it with a 10 sec stop 'n go (at least seems like that atm). And I'm not even a Hamilton fan, in fact I kinda hate the guy. Have to say I respect him a lot more after this incident though, as he stayed so calm. I used to like Vettel a lot better, but after this race he def lost quite a bit of my respect.
Max Verstappen was seriously unlucky. I am sure he would have won that race if his engine didn't blow. But basically everyone had some kind of problem. So many 'if onlys' on Sunday.
edit: You have to be litterally blind in many senses of the word to give blame to Hamiliton for Vettel driving into the back of him. Behind the safety car not moving fast Vettel doesn't have quick enough reactions to Hamiliton doing exactly the same thing he did previously and then to react like that too. Crazy. I like Vettel, he's normally pretty funny. But there is no way of defending his actions this week. He made a mistake, can't accept it, blamed Hamiliton who basically didn't do anything (the mildest braking exiting the corner to build a gap to the safety car) and just lost his shit. He's a seriously lucky man.
Hamiliton is also prone to losing his cool when things don't go well for him. I guess it's quite common for race drivers.
Last race was completety amazing and i want to say good job to Stroll to finish on the podium. He received so many critics and he is finally starting to prove the haters that he is at the right place. He is very used to the european race tracks, so I think he will be even better in the next months. Go Lance!
This season is the best so far since years. There is finally a war at the front between two teams instead of two teammates. The battle for 3rd best team can also be argued.. Williams and Force India did great job and they can compete with Red Bulls. I can't wait for the next race.
Puuuuh pretty boring race up until the last few laps. Complete opposite of Baku were everyone predicted it would get boring. This time it was predicted to become a fun raceday and it was just meh.
Also interesting that the stewards missed the jumpstart of Bottas. As a normal spectator I thought too, that he did a correct start but with the pictures emerging now from his cockpit in super slowmo or the pictures which are stopping the frames the moment he starts to roll compared to when the lights go out it becomes clear that it wasn't a correct start. As a spectator this can happen but the stewards looked at the pictures for half the race. They should have the technology to see it.
On July 10 2017 01:29 TheNewEra wrote: Puuuuh pretty boring race up until the last few laps. Complete opposite of Baku were everyone predicted it would get boring. This time it was predicted to become a fun raceday and it was just meh.
Also interesting that the stewards missed the jumpstart of Bottas. As a normal spectator I thought too, that he did a correct start but with the pictures emerging now from his cockpit in super slowmo or the pictures which are stopping the frames the moment he starts to roll compared to when the lights go out it becomes clear that it wasn't a correct start. As a spectator this can happen but the stewards looked at the pictures for half the race. They should have the technology to see it.
They (allegedly) didn't miss it. Jumpstart is detected by sensors in the ground and those showed a reaction time of 201ms. As to why this apparently conflicts with the onboard camera the two theories I read are a) the quality/format of the onboard cameras b) allowable movement in the start box that doesnt trigger the sensor. Unless FIA releases more data/specifics on how and why we probably wont know for sure
While we don't know for sure until Pirelli gives their report, it is highly likely that RAI and VET had different issues. VER didn't have a tire issue yet but they saw that the threads of the tires were in bad shape and pitted him just in case. He had a big gap before and after him so he had nothing to gain or lose.
For VET, the front left tire was simply at the end of its life span. Something went wrong in the tire degradation calculations. Probably a combination of abrasive track, scattered debris from earlier incidents, pushing hard during the race, that massive lockup when VET was under pressure from BOT and maybe car/aero setup they were running. When the tires are that worn, they lose large amounts of grip and in turn speed, which we saw from his lap times. Puncture was only a matter of time. The team, if they were observant, should have saw it coming and may have underestimated tire wear.
For RAI, it was probably a bit of bad luck. The tires weren't punctured as tire pressure were still there, but the threads were unwinding, usually resulting from the tires being worn down in a specific pattern.
Deckchair returns, Alonso setting the fastest lap, Ricciardo potentially losing out on a podium finish, Hamitlon actually giving back the spot, annoyed Kimi returns :D
Ferrari barely won on one of their strongest tracks. Hamilton is the champion 100%.Only 14 points ahead and just Singapore left for Vettel and Ferrari...
Apparently Ferrari are running a high downforce setup which is why they were so crap in Q3. Setup can't be changed for the race so if its a dry track Ferrari will boss it.
Wow, I get to thank sneirac in this thread as well. Thank you man. I got in with 5 mins of the race left wondering what happended. The video explains most of the questions I have.
On September 17 2017 22:19 Pandemona wrote: Yeah not fun for Verstappen, however i am so intrigued with how Aston Martin engines will work for them soon, that's going to be crazy!
I believe AM will help in the development but the engines will not be purely from them?
Renualt will still be the engine supplier and the talks are that Honda will be next in line if toro rosso is somewhat sucessful with Honda's engines next year.
Aston Martin is said to be waiting for the full scope of the next rule changes (for 2021 I think) before commiting to full engine development. I believe they are worried about the limitations to engine costs and reliability emphasis (as in they dont want to go against unlimited budget opposition).
Still was a fun season despite the poor result for non-Hamilton fans.
Hope to see a better Redbull and better Ferrari next year. Even better if Alonsos' promises are real and Mclaren is able to field an above average car.
Bit of a necro, but I don't feel this deserves its own thread (and no one has made one for 2018 let alone 2019).
How are you guys watching? I'm attempting to find a site I can watch a live stream (my cable supplier doesn't include any channels for it; optional, premium or otherwise), but they're all either "not available for my country" or costs several hundred bucks. The cheapest one I can find is the official f1 tv streaming service for €110 annually, but that seems to be without any form of commentary? Has anyone tried it?
On March 14 2019 06:57 Excludos wrote: Bit of a necro, but I don't feel this deserves its own thread (and no one has made one for 2018 let alone 2019).
How are you guys watching? I'm attempting to find a site I can watch a live stream (my cable supplier doesn't include any channels for it; optional, premium or otherwise), but they're all either "not available for my country" or costs several hundred bucks. The cheapest one I can find is the official f1 tv streaming service for €110 annually, but that seems to be without any form of commentary? Has anyone tried it?
There is a thread for F1 2018 and one for F1 2019.....and the 2019 one is even on the side bar o.O
On to your question. I'm trying the oficial F1 stream this year. The service provider around here changed and the new one apparently did not negotiate exclusive rights so we get access to F1 TV Pro for a lot less than the sports packages on our tv's. I believe the official stream has commentary….but since it will be the first time using, dont quote me on that (archived races do have comments in several languages). I recommend that you post the question on the 2019 thread (and that a mod closes this one )
Edit: sorry yo hear that 110€ per year. I paid 49€ for that….and in pounds it was 26....so their prices float a lot it seems.