On May 26 2017 13:24 Jerubaal wrote:
I can't decide which team I hate the most.
I can't decide which team I hate the most.
I would be in this boat, but the media love for one has convinced me to hate that team more.
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cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On May 26 2017 13:24 Jerubaal wrote: I can't decide which team I hate the most. I would be in this boat, but the media love for one has convinced me to hate that team more. | ||
Jerubaal
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Scarecrow
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JimmiC
Canada22787 Posts
Do you think people were as kissed at Walton when he joined the celts, as when currant joined the warriors? | ||
andrewlt
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
GSW is a lot more like the Tampa Bay Rays than the New York Yankees. Go Golden State Go! | ||
Shinokuki
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 27 2017 03:00 Shinokuki wrote: I wonder how much jordan would score in today's playoff games.... A more efficient Russell Westbrook is probably a good analog for what Jordan would look like in today's games. | ||
cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:00 andrewlt wrote: Meh. People have selective memories. The NBA was almost bankrupt before Lakers vs Celtics in the 80s and exploded when Jordan was unopposed in the 90s. Those Lakers and Celtics team benefited from ridiculously high draft picks while being good already. The NBA is at its best when parity sucks and there are clearly only a handful of teams at the top. The key is, "a handful" as opposed to 2 (although I'm not convinced that a healthy Spurs would get steamrolled by either team, and probably is a G7 against CLE). Also i think there is just a general disdain for the state of the Eastern conference (where most NBA fans live), the league would be really healthy if Boston could pull something out of a hat this year. Although, I also think a 70 game season from Embiid if Philly gets a real PG would also invigorate the NBA. Something needs to change though. | ||
Jerubaal
United States7675 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:00 andrewlt wrote: Meh. People have selective memories. The NBA was almost bankrupt before Lakers vs Celtics in the 80s and exploded when Jordan was unopposed in the 90s. Those Lakers and Celtics team benefited from ridiculously high draft picks while being good already. The NBA is at its best when parity sucks and there are clearly only a handful of teams at the top. We don't have to be beholden to something just because it conferred a benefit, especially when the circumstances were not a choice nor within control. There was a lot to be unhappy about in those eras. Nobody is saying the GSW assembled their team unfairly (except for Durant, maybe). I'm just saying that people are going to use it as evidence of something that's not true- that this team was some transcendent force and a revolution in basketball. Yes, they are good and deserve credit for that, but you can't not acknowledge that they had a great deal of luck in assembling a preponderance of talent. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
On May 27 2017 00:00 andrewlt wrote: Meh. People have selective memories. The NBA was almost bankrupt before Lakers vs Celtics in the 80s and exploded when Jordan was unopposed in the 90s. Those Lakers and Celtics team benefited from ridiculously high draft picks while being good already. The NBA is at its best when parity sucks and there are clearly only a handful of teams at the top. i agree with this with 1 refinement. Jordans team's early struggles in the post season endeared him to the fans. Had he rolled into the league and started winning from day 1 he would've been resented. Because he got his face smashed in several times it gave the appearance that he "paid his dues" and so when he finally won he was embraced as a hero who struggled, lost, and finally won. Had Jordan not struggled early and lost with class and dignity he never would've been embraced the way he was. At a similar time Wayne Gretzky never was universally loved by hockey fans because the sentiment was that he never "paid his dues"... the perception was that it was just 1 long party on the way to the Stanley Cup. Had Gretzky gotten beaten up a bit along the way it would've been a whole different story. the 90s were not just about Jordan being this unbeatable player on an unbeatable team .. its that he and the Bulls struggled to become that... and the people witnessed that struggle | ||
Jerubaal
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JimmiC
Canada22787 Posts
LBJ struggled huge he didn't win a championship for 8 years. People don't universally love him because of his move to Heat. If you are meaning the warriors. Draymond second round pick. Curry had ankle issues and barely was recruited because of how small and slight he was. GSW didn't start out amazing by anyone of their picks. Gretzky is the most loved hockey player of all time. People in Calgary hated the oilers but still liked and respected Gretzky. You can't find a list he's not the top of. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/758456-the-50-most-beloved-players-in-the-history-of-hockey | ||
zev318
Canada4304 Posts
On May 27 2017 03:42 Jerubaal wrote: Show nested quote + On May 27 2017 00:00 andrewlt wrote: Meh. People have selective memories. The NBA was almost bankrupt before Lakers vs Celtics in the 80s and exploded when Jordan was unopposed in the 90s. Those Lakers and Celtics team benefited from ridiculously high draft picks while being good already. The NBA is at its best when parity sucks and there are clearly only a handful of teams at the top. We don't have to be beholden to something just because it conferred a benefit, especially when the circumstances were not a choice nor within control. There was a lot to be unhappy about in those eras. Nobody is saying the GSW assembled their team unfairly (except for Durant, maybe). I'm just saying that people are going to use it as evidence of something that's not true- that this team was some transcendent force and a revolution in basketball. Yes, they are good and deserve credit for that, but you can't not acknowledge that they had a great deal of luck in assembling a preponderance of talent. what's luck? that they were bad enough to get high picks or those players that they picked turned out to be good players? every team who ever had a lot of talent at least had some luck, not like the warriors are the only ones. look at the cavs, they got irving in 2011 from the clipper's 1st round pick, which only had 2.8% to be 1st overall and their 2014 pick which had 1.7% chance to be 1st overall which got them wiggins and eventually into kevin love. that's probably better luck than the warriors ever had. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
On May 27 2017 04:06 JimmiC wrote: I'm not sure your point and your example is horrible. the point is in the post. i'm not discussing LBJ or Green or GSW. I'm discussing the adoration of the 90s Bulls that the other poster brought up. Here, i'll repeat the point 1 more time. On May 27 2017 03:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote: the 90s were not just about Jordan being this unbeatable player on an unbeatable team .. its that he and the Bulls struggled to become that... and the people witnessed that struggle Gretzky + Show Spoiler + there exists an undercurrent of disdain for Gretzky who is viewed as a pretty-boy party-animal that orchestrated his exit to LA LA Land. A party animal with coke-head team mates who don't respect the Stanley Cup. Hit any Tim Hortons and get a group of hockey fans over 40 to start talking about the 80s and you'll get that hate for Wayne loud and clear. "it can be fairly asked whether a general lack of discipline and too much life in the fast lane finally caught up with them." https://www.si.com/vault/1986/05/12/640833/the-joyless-end-of-a-joyride# | ||
JimmiC
Canada22787 Posts
I'll move the hockey discussion to the hockey thread because I'm sure no one here cares. Just know Jimmyj is completely wrong | ||
Jerubaal
United States7675 Posts
"Over the long term there is no luck" Well let me know when they start handing out trophies for 20 year periods. My argument is "weird shit happened to make this GSW team great" and your response is "weird shit happens sometimes." OK. | ||
MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Dan Gilbert, a Michigan state man, was actually recommended by izzo himself to draft Green (also M. State) and obviously regrets not listening. If green was on the Cavs though...would be nuts. | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
I never criticized GS as an organization, they've done a fantastic job and they've done it within the rules. I just find it impossible to root for a team that had the best regular season record ever, then got a free agent MVP in his prime. This has been the worst playoffs since I started watching basketball, at least the West used to be interesting. | ||
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