NBA Playoffs 2017 - Page 5
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cLutZ
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JimmyJRaynor
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On April 19 2017 14:47 MassHysteria wrote: Lowry had to play better no matter what, that was never in question. And we didn't mention on here about the defensive adjustments (ISO defense and transitional defense, carroll on gianis, etc) which was probably the top thing they had to improve on. Plus the whole team just shot better. With that said, I didn't get to watch the game (too early). The Raptors defense was as bad as it was last game; it was different though. They played a college zone to stop Giannis and Milwaukee missed some very wide open 3s by guys who can make 3s. Toronto dodged a big bullet last night. A big part of the Toronto offense being better was due to both Lowry and Derozan dishing out a tonne of hockey assists to go with the assists spread across the entire team. Game 2 featured 15 assists by not-the-point-guard. Lots and lots of ball movement with Lowry off the ball a lot. Lowry got the offense he whined about not being allowed to have at the game 1 presser. LOL. Lowry forced up zero shots. Ultimately, Casey made the right adjustments on offense. I know Ibaka's boxscore #s look good. He is not 100%. If his ankle gets close to 100% look for Toronto's defense to improve because he is the mobile rim protector the Casey-designed Raptor defense requires. For now, i'd characterize Toronto's defense as below average. On April 19 2017 14:47 MassHysteria wrote: Plus the whole team just shot better. good point. part of that is just "shooting better". part of it is also 2+ passes to set up an easier look than in game 1. TL;DR : Toronto dodged a big bullet and Dwane Casey is a good coach. | ||
Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On April 19 2017 11:55 cLutZ wrote: I never thought Boston was very good, but I didn't think they were this bad and/or Chicago was not-terrible. I think Chicago is overperforming, but I really cant tell if its more that or Boston wetting the bed. Overseed vs. Underseed. Boston is in max gear all season, a hearty team with IT as the only source of reliable offense, and Horford in the fringes. Bulls were underperforming all season, and have since switched gears. Its more like a 4-5 seed matchup actually. If the Clippers lose this series to a no-Gobert Jazz, Doc & all 15 Clippers players should get lifetime bans from the NBA. I love the grit and resilience of the jazz. Difficult to follow them during reg season because of limited national tv games, but goddamn this team. Hayward is like Ginobili 2.0 with sneaky Vince Carter athleticism (i exaggerate). And yeah, Rivers is literally the worst and overrated coach right now. He got lucky with Allen and the celtics team, but a closer look at his performance exposes his coaching skills, in all facets - development, chemistry, and playmaking. He has no discernible TO plays or even regular sets. 3-way screen among CP3, BG, and DJ is a no-brainers with their skills. And speaking of that, how incompetent could you be to not make a team like that and Redick work? | ||
Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On April 19 2017 13:08 cLutZ wrote: Even if the Clippers win, Doc should be fired after this game. Agree | ||
MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On April 19 2017 19:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote: The Raptors defense was as bad as it was last game; it was different though. They played a college zone to stop Giannis and Milwaukee missed some very wide open 3s by guys who can make 3s. Toronto dodged a big bullet last night. A big part of the Toronto offense being better was due to both Lowry and Derozan dishing out a tonne of hockey assists to go with the assists spread across the entire team. Game 2 featured 15 assists by not-the-point-guard. Lots and lots of ball movement with Lowry off the ball a lot. Lowry got the offense he whined about not being allowed to have at the game 1 presser. LOL. Lowry forced up zero shots. Ultimately, Casey made the right adjustments on offense. I know Ibaka's boxscore #s look good. He is not 100%. If his ankle gets close to 100% look for Toronto's defense to improve because he is the mobile rim protector the Casey-designed Raptor defense requires. For now, i'd characterize Toronto's defense as below average. good point. part of that is just "shooting better". part of it is also 2+ passes to set up an easier look than in game 1. TL;DR : Toronto dodged a big bullet and Dwane Casey is a good coach. Thx for summary, and ya it seems like they specially passed better that first half. Like you, Schuhmann thinks they still have work to do, although thinks their D was a little better. If they just reduced the transition and ISO points from the G1, it was going to do better though. E. Koreen is on the newest "Lowe Post" FYI. I hope to hear it later. | ||
Jerubaal
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Ace
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Jerubaal
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cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On April 20 2017 08:31 Jerubaal wrote: If Rivers was such a shit coach, dont you feel like Paul would have said something by now? Unless Rivers let's Paul be the boss and he likes that. I don't have much confidence in Chris Paul. But I think that's probably a reason, as well as the whole Sterling fiasco. Anyways they are two crybabies crybabying together so why would Chris object? | ||
Jerubaal
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada15564 Posts
it'll be interesting to see what happens if Olynyk ends another player's season with a shoulder dislocation. i think Olynyk is a dirty player. | ||
MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
edit:forgot I was a few minutes behind on DVR xD edit2:hard to watch this Thunder offense in the 4th quarter | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
edit: takes 1 meaningless layup when they needed a 3. So 4/18 and they lose by 4, but sure it's cause his teammates don't help enough. | ||
MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On April 20 2017 11:42 Scarecrow wrote: 3/17 in the 4th... seriously this 'noone else' narrative is so bullshit, he's literally taking way too many bad shots/3s. Roberson and McDermott are both shooting well this game, Oladipo can hit 3s. Kanter should be getting more shots than this too edit: takes 1 meaningless layup when they needed a 3. So 4/18 and they lose by 4, but sure it's cause his teammates don't help enough. Try watching the games not the box score...specifically the first 5-6 minutes of the 4th quarter. No one is making this about the whole season, I commented on this game. We all know u hate WB, stop acting like everyone is wrong just b/c they don't agree with you. For people watching...Losing Adams to foul trouble was rough. After those first minutes of the 4th, after Sabonis missed the layup feed and others missing open shots, it is clear he lost confidence in the team and went into carry mode. Donovan has been good about timeout management in order to give Westbrook some rest in the games I've seen, but he barely got any rest this game at the end of the 3rd. He coached this like it was a must-win game so I would have wanted to see Adams sooner, but I am sure he was hoping they could just keep it close so he could finish it out. WB was clearly tired though judging by how his shot looked, but it was right to just play him all that time. | ||
cLutZ
United States19551 Posts
On April 20 2017 09:42 Jerubaal wrote: He's a crybaby, but he doesn't suffer fools. Seems odd he suffers an incompetent Xs and Os coach. That is how being a player's coach works... Its always on management to be the "bad guy", just like with Mark Jackson | ||
Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On April 20 2017 12:16 MassHysteria wrote: Try watching the games not the box score...specifically the first 5-6 minutes of the 4th quarter. No one is making this about the whole season, I commented on this game. Seriously, this 'you need to watch the game' comeback is annoying. You do realize it's possible to watch the game and have the box score open on a PC? Don't make stupid assumptions because you disagree. I was watching, that's why I posted on the game at hand. The TNT commentators were going on about how westbrook has no help right as he was shooting them out of the game. The commentators were talking about the narrative, and I posted specifically about this game, so you don't really have a point. He needed to involve his teammates more, but instead thought bad shots on tired legs were a better option than anyone else. His teammates simply can't help him when he's dominating the ball and taking bad shots to this degree. | ||
MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
I don't care about a narrative, I am talking about what I saw this game. If the commentators were saying that then it is probably b/c they agree with what I saw. If you don't think he was involving his teammates, then again I say to you, watch the first 5-6 minutes of the 4th quarter (which is when I posted that). | ||
Jerubaal
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MassHysteria
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Rockets bench= +41 . Thunder bench= -64... | ||
DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On April 19 2017 14:47 MassHysteria wrote: Lowry had to play better no matter what, that was never in question. And we didn't mention on here about the defensive adjustments (ISO defense and transitional defense, carroll on gianis, etc) which was probably the top thing they had to improve on. Plus the whole team just shot better. With that said, I didn't get to watch the game (too early). I agree with dystopia, a little of both, but honestly not all that surprising (I thought it was one the more even series). Butler is the best player in the series and like I said before, that can't be underestimated. And with the days-in-between playoff games, Wade can play like the 2nd best for a few minutes a game. IT of course has a case after Butler and then is Horford, but I have always liked Robin Lopez more than most people. A smart, underrated player that minimizes mistakes. IT on defense is always a mismatch. Boston at home, with their crowd getting anxious, does seem like it made them wet the bed a little too (they are still a pretty inexperienced team). I like Rolo on the Bulls cause he's a very (Thibs) Bulls player. Reminds me a lot of a poor mans Noah before his foot injuries. Great defender, can shoot the midrange, decent passer for the position. I do think Westbrook doesn't have a lot of help but over the course of the season the language used to describe the rest of the team has gotten hyperbolic. They're not the best but several players are more than capable of hitting a shot. McDermott this game had his shot going and Westbrook ignored him, wide open, on several plays to chuck up a contested jumper instead. Kanter is basically an offensive specialist (agree with post that he should get more minutes, and more touches, especially when Westbrook is sitting). Gibson is capable in the post and can shoot midrange jumpers. Oladipo was cold this game but usually can make something happen. Speaking of Oladipo, this is a point that's been made before but I do think that Westbrook is part of the problem regarding his team's production. Not just in the sense that he's not giving them the ball, but also the fact that being so ridiculously ball-dominant means that they're extremely cold whenever they do get the ball. If you're Adams and you've gotten 3FGA all game, then if/when you are expected to do something you're not really ready for it. Same with Oladipo. His ability to create and make shots is going to suffer when he spends long stretches of ballgames not doing anything. This goes double for shooters. And while you could claim this shouldn't be the case, players tend to check out/do less on defense if they're not involved in the offense. Unrelated but the video going around of Westbrook sitting in the paint hoping to grab a rebound so that he gives up a wide-open Beverley corner 3 is damning. I don't blame him for chasing records in the regular season, but it's kinda shameful to do so during a playoff game. | ||
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