2017 Tour de France - Page 3
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darthfoley
United States7999 Posts
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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L_Master
United States7946 Posts
That said, I find it hard to believe he wanted to take Cav out; my guess is that he thought Cav was going to be coming harder and was getting ready to aggressively defend his space and then Cav wasn't the stable platform Sagan was expecting. Best guess, but it sure looks bad on camera. | ||
DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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HolydaKing
21225 Posts
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mahrgell
Germany3854 Posts
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HolydaKing
21225 Posts
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bluzi
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On July 05 2017 00:58 L_Master wrote: I'm not sure what to say about that one. The contact for sure makes sense, Cav was coming on the inside; but the elbowing itself looked pretty savage. That said, I find it hard to believe he wanted to take Cav out; my guess is that he thought Cav was going to be coming harder and was getting ready to aggressively defend his space and then Cav wasn't the stable platform Sagan was expecting. Best guess, but it sure looks bad on camera. Too much thinking , he acted in an instinct and it WAS savage , reckless and dumb | ||
Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Gjhc
Portugal161 Posts
Cavendish put himself where he couldnt fit, whoever is behind trying to overtake is responsible to make sure there's enough space and while Sagan did indeed slightly move to his right he didnt abruptly swerve, it was Cavendish who put himself in that position and when he saw that he couldnt pass he leaned to his left, touched sagan and fell. You can clearly see that the elbow only goes out after Cavendish is already falling and doent even hit him. That aerial shot shows nothing, the frontal shot is much clearer Have people even properly watched the videos? edit: sprint starts at 0:48 | ||
smr
Germany4808 Posts
___ Looking at that situation from the finish line it seems to me that there is a contact before Sagan does anything. It's barely visible but Cavendish shows a reaction on his face and and only afterwards Sagans elbow extends. Seems to be more of a reflex to defend/keep balance. Of course both were moving towards the barrier - as everybody in the pack did - but Sagan was well in front of cavendish. There was no space anymore. Cav at that point had to know that he had no chance. Started to sprint to late, you cannot force your way through. And the slow-mo from the first crash seems to proof that an fdj guy in front of sagan (possibly because of a lotto rider) falls first. Sure I like Sagan and my views might change over night but dq'ing him over that? I don't know. | ||
HKTPZ
105 Posts
Shit happens. Just hope the guys who were down didnt hurt themselves too bad. | ||
Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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L_Master
United States7946 Posts
On July 05 2017 02:47 bluzi wrote: Too much thinking , he acted in an instinct and it WAS savage , reckless and dumb Disagree. It looks savage, but it was a result of things already in motion. Relgation was fair, removal for the Tour is huge overkill. | ||
HolydaKing
21225 Posts
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLegendMito21/status/882269127708221440/video/1 This vid made me think so especially. He probably would've crashed either way. | ||
Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
Some point and +time punishment is fine for intent but should be applied to Demare aswell who almost took Bouhanni down. DQ is harsh. Can Sagan appeal? | ||
r.Evo
Germany14054 Posts
On July 05 2017 03:24 smr wrote: edit: typed all that while gjhc had his opinion posted. basically: what he says. ___ Looking at that situation from the finish line it seems to me that there is a contact before Sagan does anything. It's barely visible but Cavendish shows a reaction on his face and and only afterwards Sagans elbow extends. Seems to be more of a reflex to defend/keep balance. Of course both were moving towards the barrier - as everybody in the pack did - but Sagan was well in front of cavendish. There was no space anymore. Cav at that point had to know that he had no chance. Started to sprint to late, you cannot force your way through. And the slow-mo from the first crash seems to proof that an fdj guy in front of sagan (possibly because of a lotto rider) falls first. Sure I like Sagan and my views might change over night but dq'ing him over that? I don't know. Have to admit the top view looks like it's entirely his fault but the view from the finish line tells a different story. The moment Cavendish shows the reaction on his face, as you pointed out, to me looks like exactly the moment at which contact would happen just from the natural movement during the sprint and that's when he starts crashing. Then Sagan actually puts the elbow further out to stabilize himself/because he felt contact and just reacted to it. To me extending the elbow there is the result of the contact, not the other way around. Does seem pretty damn harsh and overkill from that perspective. | ||
Ghostcom
Denmark4776 Posts
On July 05 2017 05:25 Skynx wrote: After replays i agree Cavendish was already going down before elbow. Some point and +time punishment is fine for intent but should be applied to Demare aswell who almost took Bouhanni down. DQ is harsh. Can Sagan appeal? I believe no. | ||
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