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sharkie
Austria17987 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On December 17 2017 20:58 sharkie wrote: KDB has always been running like crazy but now he strings crazy passes on a consistent basis. Pep is so lucky to have him and props to City management for never letting him go. Lucky, yeah sure. How about KDB is lucky to have Pep as a coach? =D How many players from City would be starters in Real/Barça? I mean before this season's hype? Except for Aguero, no one. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51317 Posts
On December 17 2017 13:04 Rebs wrote: Peps over rated though.. its all about the money. Bundesliga and La Liga are jokes.. Or so the refrain goes anyway. He has 23 man squad or world class players in this current man city side. They have a better squad than both Barca and Real put together lol. What he is doing with it is good no question, but it is hardly him doing it with 11-13 world class players plus some kids is it xD On December 17 2017 21:31 WillyWanker wrote: Lucky, yeah sure. How about KDB is lucky to have Pep as a coach? =D How many players from City would be starters in Real/Barça? I mean before this season's hype? Except for Aguero, no one. Bravo, Kompany, Oatemendi, Stones, Fernandinho, DeBruyne, Sterling, Aguero, Jesus, Silva, Gundogan, Sane. Not many from last season no, but that added to this with; Bernado Silva, Walker, Mendy, Ederson, Danilo who could get into real side probably, not Mendy probably even though he good but because Marcelo is best left back in the world. | ||
WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On December 17 2017 21:48 Pandemona wrote: He has 23 man squad or world class players in this current man city side. They have a better squad than both Barca and Real put together lol. What he is doing with it is good no question, but it is hardly him doing it with 11-13 world class players plus some kids is it xD Bravo, Kompany, Oatemendi, Stones, Fernandinho, DeBruyne, Sterling, Aguero, Jesus, Silva, Gundogan, Sane. Not many from last season no, but that added to this with; Bernado Silva, Walker, Mendy, Ederson, Danilo who could get into real side probably, not Mendy probably even though he good but because Marcelo is best left back in the world. None of those would be starters in Real/Barça, at the start of this season. | ||
Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On December 17 2017 13:04 Rebs wrote: Peps over rated though.. its all about the money. Bundesliga and La Liga are jokes.. Or so the refrain goes anyway. City are an expensive team but it is good business in the end. Aguero was 32m, Jesus 30, Silva 25, Gundogan 25, Otamendi 40, Sane 45, Sterling 56, Kev 66. Their entire midfield is on par with one Neymar, or two Pogbas. One could argue, except for maybe Otamendi, none of these players would sell for anything less than twice what they paid for. | ||
aseq
Netherlands3926 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4101 Posts
On December 17 2017 22:14 WillyWanker wrote: None of those would be starters in Real/Barça, at the start of this season. Only Aguero and maybe KDB, Jesus and Silva would be starters. Anyway what City is doing is absolutely crazy. Beat Chelsea 1-3, Liverpool 3-1, Arsenal 3-1, Spurs 4-1, United 1-2 and all those matches were won pretty convincingly. I always thought Pep was abit overrated bit this Ctiy performance has really changed my opinion abit. Gonna be really interesting to see them matched up against Barca/Real/PSG/Bayern in the CL. | ||
Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
On December 17 2017 23:49 aseq wrote: One could argue, hehe. KBD is easily worth that, I wouldn't put Sterling on 112m. He's just the guy that runs towards the far post when the attack begins. Scores goals. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51317 Posts
On December 17 2017 23:49 Dante08 wrote: Only Aguero and maybe KDB, Jesus and Silva would be starters. Anyway what City is doing is absolutely crazy. Beat Chelsea 1-3, Liverpool 3-1, Arsenal 3-1, Spurs 4-1, United 1-2 and all those matches were won pretty convincingly. I always thought Pep was abit overrated bit this Ctiy performance has really changed my opinion abit. Gonna be really interesting to see them matched up against Barca/Real/PSG/Bayern in the CL. When did we lose 3-1 to City? xD We lost 1-0 to DeBruyne edge of box goal in our worst period of the season | ||
Dante08
Singapore4101 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51317 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland1825 Posts
Obviously number of attempts don't matter if you score the necessary ones, but it still feels quite alarming/amusing that they're often losing in those stats against below mid table teams. Do they look like they can keep doing that and still win games consistently? | ||
zev318
Canada4304 Posts
On December 17 2017 23:49 aseq wrote: One could argue, hehe. KBD is easily worth that, I wouldn't put Sterling on 112m. He's just the guy that runs towards the far post when the attack begins. only way sterling gets 112m is to another english club. thats it. kdb/aguero/jesus sure 2x. the other guys on that list? if this wasnt a post neymar/pogba/mbappe market, i dont think so. but the bar is so high now, it just normal prices now. On December 18 2017 01:16 Bacillus wrote: Any idea how comfortably ManU is winning their games these days? The last few games I've checked, they're statistically creating less attempts at goal than West Brom or Bournemouth for example. Obviously number of attempts don't matter if you score the necessary ones, but it still feels quite alarming/amusing that they're often losing in those stats against below mid table teams. Do they look like they can keep doing that and still win games consistently? i feel they play way too defensive and down to their opponents level once they are up. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 17 2017 21:48 Pandemona wrote: He has 23 man squad or world class players in this current man city side. They have a better squad than both Barca and Real put together lol. What he is doing with it is good no question, but it is hardly him doing it with 11-13 world class players plus some kids is it xD that is a miserable assessment. I dont even know where to start. Naysayers will nitpick to the end of time. You've been sharpening your knives for ages waiting for him to fail. Shat on him to the end of time the first year and now its the same bullshit refrain. Meh hes doing good, but LOOK AT HIS TEAMS ?! The hypocrisy while not anything you, is face palm worthy. I can literally pull posts out all day to realist how foot in mouth this is lol. There are plenty of players in other squads that you would have deemed no better than any other squad at the start of the season. Edit: I just took a quick gander at some filtered posts from you last year. Its gonna be so much fun when I start quoting shit but fuck I dont have time. The amount of smugness that could be humbled is fucking glorious though.. Best league in the world. On December 18 2017 01:16 Bacillus wrote: Any idea how comfortably ManU is winning their games these days? The last few games I've checked, they're statistically creating less attempts at goal than West Brom or Bournemouth for example. Obviously number of attempts don't matter if you score the necessary ones, but it still feels quite alarming/amusing that they're often losing in those stats against below mid table teams. Do they look like they can keep doing that and still win games consistently? Yes they can. And in any normal year it would be enough to win the league. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51317 Posts
On December 18 2017 03:56 Rebs wrote: that is a miserable assessment. I dont even know where to start. Naysayers will nitpick to the end of time. You've been sharpening your knives for ages waiting for him to fail. Shat on him to the end of time the first year and now its the same bullshit refrain. Meh hes doing good, but LOOK AT HIS TEAMS ?! The hypocrisy while not anything you, is face palm worthy. I can literally pull posts out all day to realist how foot in mouth this is lol. There are plenty of players in other squads that you would have deemed no better than any other squad at the start of the season. Edit: I just took a quick gander at some filtered posts from you last year. Its gonna be so much fun when I start quoting shit but fuck I dont have time. The amount of smugness that could be humbled is fucking glorious though.. Best league in the world. Yes they can. And in any normal year it would be enough to win the league. £250 million this season SO FAR more to come in january as he said £213 million last season. Total @ Man City = £463 million and still going! Everyone flames Mourinho for doing same thing though, buying everything in his sight and then when he wins its, well he bought the title or look at his squad. Pep has always done the same thing too minus at Barca where he had the best squad in the world in front of him. He also did add to it though because it was Barcelona and he could. Someone already said it as a joke but, Pep not one the european cup with a portuguese side and never will because he won't manage a club like that. Say if he went to Liverpool, that would be a test or Spurs. But why would he, why would he go to a club (like Mourinho) who can't facilitate his need for transfers and players by spending alot he has no reason too thus it will never be a debate. He is winning right now after a shite first season in England, he found why he failed last season, he failed same way Klopp has, because too many games and to few numbers to rotate and be competitive still. He spent another £200 million plus (and more inc) to do this, he now has a 23 man world class squad of players that would walk into the first 11s (let alone squads) of most top teams in europe! It isn't to say they aren't playing well or looking good, it is just that he has the best players to do this. Would love to see him and Mourinho eventually become international managers that be cool, see if he can take a national side to glory and same with Mourinho. However i doubt that interests Pep unless Catalan indepedence happens and he takes that side over but even then they wouldn't be enough in numbers i don't think. Still be great if he became Spain manager and proved me wrong. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 18 2017 04:20 Pandemona wrote: £250 million this season SO FAR more to come in january as he said £213 million last season. Total @ Man City = £463 million and still going! Everyone flames Mourinho for doing same thing though, buying everything in his sight and then when he wins its, well he bought the title or look at his squad. Pep has always done the same thing too minus at Barca where he had the best squad in the world in front of him. He also did add to it though because it was Barcelona and he could. Someone already said it as a joke but, Pep not one the european cup with a portuguese side and never will because he won't manage a club like that. Say if he went to Liverpool, that would be a test or Spurs. But why would he, why would he go to a club (like Mourinho) who can't facilitate his need for transfers and players by spending alot he has no reason too thus it will never be a debate. He is winning right now after a shite first season in England, he found why he failed last season, he failed same way Klopp has, because too many games and to few numbers to rotate and be competitive still. He spent another £200 million plus (and more inc) to do this, he now has a 23 man world class squad of players that would walk into the first 11s (let alone squads) of most top teams in europe! It isn't to say they aren't playing well or looking good, it is just that he has the best players to do this. Would love to see him and Mourinho eventually become international managers that be cool, see if he can take a national side to glory and same with Mourinho. However i doubt that interests Pep unless Catalan indepedence happens and he takes that side over but even then they wouldn't be enough in numbers i don't think. Still be great if he became Spain manager and proved me wrong. The 23 man squad that would walk into first 11's wasnt such at the start of the season and you know it. That argument is bonafide bullshit so lets do away with that one. Moving on, its not normal to win all the time every year without fail. And if you really think that his solution was. "OH my I dont have enough world class players. Let me buy some more" then you are the one that is full of "shite" Because frankly if I look at some of your assesments and criticisms last year. Very few of them have to do with the depth of his squad and more of how he is trying to make his teams play. Mind you, his teams are still playing the same way. They are just doing it better. But if you were to be believed there was no way that was going to happen. Heres a sampler. http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/sports/512985-2016-2017-football-thread?page=130#2582 There are a fuckton more of those bro. Its actually hilarious. There was also me in there being a true scholar and gentleman, asking gents to refrain from being smartasses at the first sign of weakness because you might end up looking stupid. No heed was paid to my words. I feel so vindicated. I would add Ysellian and Drone to that list of scholarly gentelman. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51317 Posts
He has bought so much to make it easy to rotate and play high aggressive closing down and such in the premier league. We all saw how badly Klopp failed last season due to going to extreme with it and his players injured all time. He also has options too in the attacking sense anyway. You don't understand football if you think Pep has coached this team into what we see today with 23 man squad of super stars that now how to win football and the star players already at club before he joined! DeBruyne / Sterling / Kompany / Silva / Aguero etc, they won the league without him before remember this isn't knew, they blew the league away the year they won it with Pellegrini too. He was a great manager too wasn't he.... Yeah i said he wouldn't be able to win with the style he showed, he aint going to have 90% possession in England like he did with Barca, he spent loads and failed, he spent even more than before and now is achieveing. He averages 65% possession this season, so do Chelsea for example...hardly Barcelona esc is it! You also are doing exactly what i did....but you come out when Pep is wining and on top and call him the best manager in the world. No one cared what he did at Bayern because he didn't do anything with them, he failed in Europe and just won domestically which wasn't much of a feat. He hasn't hit the heights of when he was at Barca with the best squad in the world, in too which he still didn't win all the time in. He has put foundations in with a big spending spree and huge investment into how Man City is run. Can he really build something here, can he dominate with them. This season so far yes he has, but there is Europe to conquer and the rest of the season to go. | ||
Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On December 18 2017 05:01 Pandemona wrote: No it isn't you can't say an argument is irrelevant when they bought players to sit on the fkn bench. Benrnado Silva, Danilo, Douglas Luiz come to mind! That together is £120 million of talent for BENCH. Add to the rest they already had in terms of Yaya Toure, Gundogan, Delph, Jesus, Sane, Mangala that were all on the bench last season anyway. Now Jesus and Sane start more, the rest still sit on bench and come in as rotation. They are also going to buy a new centre back in January as well to mean they ahve even more options. You cannot say he is winning because he has coached the players he had because he bought most of them and the good players who where their are good and winners anyway? He has bought so much to make it easy to rotate and play high aggressive closing down and such in the premier league. We all saw how badly Klopp failed last season due to going to extreme with it and his players injured all time. He also has options too in the attacking sense anyway. You don't understand football if you think Pep has coached this team into what we see today with 23 man squad of super stars that now how to win football and the star players already at club before he joined! DeBruyne / Sterling / Kompany / Silva / Aguero etc, they won the league without him before remember this isn't knew, they blew the league away the year they won it with Pellegrini too. He was a great manager too wasn't he.... Yeah i said he wouldn't be able to win with the style he showed, he aint going to have 90% possession in England like he did with Barca, he spent loads and failed, he spent even more than before and now is achieveing. He averages 65% possession this season, so do Chelsea for example...hardly Barcelona esc is it! You also are doing exactly what i did....but you come out when Pep is wining and on top and call him the best manager in the world. No one cared what he did at Bayern because he didn't do anything with them, he failed in Europe and just won domestically which wasn't much of a feat. He hasn't hit the heights of when he was at Barca with the best squad in the world, in too which he still didn't win all the time in. He has put foundations in with a big spending spree and huge investment into how Man City is run. Can he really build something here, can he dominate with them. This season so far yes he has, but there is Europe to conquer and the rest of the season to go. I didnt say he is the best manager in the world. I may think that, but I dont see myself ever making such nonsense claims. Not sure where that is coming from. So if I am falling this nonsense correctly, I dont understand football because I think a coach should get credit for making his teams player in stellar fashion. Because really he just bought all the best ones. None of whome anyone considered the "best" ones at the start of the season and then just decided that since this streak happened we just called it all along. Look at yourself in the mirror man. Its kind of sad that you can literally not stand the thought that the guy is doing well and are grasping at everything and anything to not give him his due. Caveats are important, after all. We cant live without them when something we cant stand happens and we must begrudgingly admit. Hindsight, what a beauty. Thank God forum posts are easily accessible to call bullshit. Ok well thats the end of the argument then. . Pep sucks, City just spent their way into playing so awesome. You know like Chelsea and United back in the day. Now lets just shift the goal posts a bit and ask him to win everything possible any further failure on the horizon must be severely brow beaten because obviously this isnt enough. What exactly is it that I am doing that you are doing ? Even when he was losing (refer to link) I had advised that it wouldnt happen overnight. Granted this level of performance is far exceeding anyone's expectations but I had always expected improvement and I had cautioned you to not sit here and tell everyone that Peps footy wont work. Because its working. Thats the bottom line, however its working doesn't matter. You said it wouldn't work. You said nothing about squads and tiring and pressing. Or any other reason. You simply were so sure that that kind of football was not better than your precious kick and rush that he wouldnt find a way around it. And he did. Deal with it. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28254 Posts
Like, with the early season draw to Everton (city got a player sent off after 44 minutes (everton one after 88), 19-6 shots), they are like 22-1-0 in games of importance this season. They've beaten all the best premier league teams, often convincingly. Contrasting with other managers that have managed 91+ point seasons (mourinho and conte), Pep's teams dominate possession and shots statistics, and this just.. makes the probability of those occasional screwup games much less frequent. Barring several key injuries I'm not surprised if they end up going 34-4-0 and win the Champions league, they look more consistently great than pretty much any other team ever has. Pep obviously deserves credit for this. | ||
Dante08
Singapore4101 Posts
On December 18 2017 01:16 Bacillus wrote: Any idea how comfortably ManU is winning their games these days? The last few games I've checked, they're statistically creating less attempts at goal than West Brom or Bournemouth for example. Obviously number of attempts don't matter if you score the necessary ones, but it still feels quite alarming/amusing that they're often losing in those stats against below mid table teams. Do they look like they can keep doing that and still win games consistently? Last few games Pogba was suspended so it affects our attacking alot. We have no other creative midfielder and without him starting the attack from midfield we struggle to create chances. This should improve once he gets back, but not like it matters anyway, this season everyone else is fighting for 2nd to 4th spot. | ||
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