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JimmyJRaynor
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Twinkle Toes
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Many think this will be a great game, but I think it will be a demonstration. KD, Curry, Green, Iggy, Klay, vs. Wokyrie. Tough to call. | ||
Twinkle Toes
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On November 15 2017 12:35 Nemireck wrote: This is a mystery to literally nobody who has paid any amount of attention to the team for the last 3-4 years. I even understand this, and I'm nothing more than an unashamed bandwagon fan. The only people confused about this are the casual observer that checks boxscores until playoffs start and they become, "Literally, the biggest fan ever! Like, Lowry man, and DeRozan... jeez!" His scout uncle who watches games in the side lines with him taught him that, leave him alone. | ||
Twinkle Toes
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On November 14 2017 23:16 JimmiC wrote: This will be my last response to you because we all know how that goes. I was speaking about the game i watched last night and you clearly didnt. Rubio was bad not just statisically but on both ends. Could have been an off night who knows but last night it was not close. Twolves clearly thought teague was a better fit for them. They both have different strengths. Everything i have read about hill is he has disapointed in sac. He is going from a better team to a worse team which usually leads to a bump in usage and stats. Hill has regressed in both. Its fine your opinion is that. But that doesnt make it a fact. And it is a fact that in the game last night rubio was bad (gobert didnt make he go 0 for 6 for mostly open 3)have more turnovers then assists and do nothing to slow teague. One night for sure Teague >>>>> Rubio Edit: because you clearly cant read i didnt say teague is a better player or rubio is worse. I said teague was much better last night. Seriously you have 0 reading comprehension. Edit 2: since i didnt quote your post i must not have been responding to it. Heck im not responding to you now. Im editing for everyone elses benefit since many people have said they dont like the back and forth filling the thread. You have shown on every thread you either dont care about others or you are completely socially unaware. Either way it has got you banned before and im sure it will happen again. On November 16 2017 10:50 JimmiC wrote: Exactly, I'm purposely trying to avoid that discussion because it would be with you and I don't enjoy those discussions nor do people on this thread enjoy reading them, in fact I purposely quoted someone other then you as to indicate that I was writing to them and not you. Its funny how you say such stupid shit that you can't even live by it for a day. "if i do not quote your post i am not providing a rebuttal to your post. if you decide in your own mind i'm providing a direct rebuttal to your post when i do not quote your post you are living in your own dream world." And your stupid shit made even less sense in the context you used, since you posted directly after me, exactly about what my post was in something completely unrelated to anything you were talking about, whereas I quoted someone else. Turn down the narcissism, not only was I not talking to you, but I'm activity trying to avoid conversation with you. On November 16 2017 11:57 JimmiC wrote: Which was exactly my point with you. But i understand what im doing. There is 0 point explaing my position because even if its proven correct (like it would be) you would just argue relentlessly over and over. You would move the goal posts and use every other logical fallacy you could and never admit a slight bit of fault or error. No matter how clear or how many explain it. So there is no point especially on an issue so ridiculous that no one cares. Could i start a seperate nba thread free of jimmyj and thos who wanted to stay here could and those who wanted to mobe could. Hell those who wanted to post or read both could? Can this be done? Oh boy. I've told you plenty of times already. We already know for a fact that he just copy-pastes stuff here that he doesn't understand, and when someone who does challenges him, he disappears. We also know that he is incapable of intelligent discussion. Just leave the poor guy alone in his bubble. Didn't you notice no one even bothers responding to his long posts and picture stats. | ||
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On November 16 2017 14:55 sung_moon wrote: Typical 2 minute warning Sixer's withholding, thoroughly enjoying beating Ball/Lakers. :D Going to check out that BBallBreakdown of my boy SImmons tomorrow now thanks. Trust the Process boooooooys Sixers got next! But Embiid is so unathletic with his landing. It's a ticking time bomb... | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On November 17 2017 08:56 Twinkle Toes wrote: But Embiid is so unathletic with his landing. It's a ticking time bomb... Embiid acknowledged in training camp that they did a lot of work on his landings. time will tell if that work on his landings pays off. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
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On November 17 2017 08:41 Twinkle Toes wrote: His scout uncle who watches games in the side lines with him taught him that, leave him alone. he doesn't work for the Leafs any longer... he left more than 3 years ago. its great you remember my 5 year old posts though... its great to have such a loyal fan. | ||
JimmiC
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On November 17 2017 08:25 JimmyJRaynor wrote: hopefully, my comments on George Hill's statistical decline now make sense. Rolf your amazing. When you blindly say OG over derozn stats are king regardless off logic (coach and gm idiots for not looking at the website you do and make this easy clear choice) , or the twolves or so on. Then when they disagree you on someone like hill you post the above . You just look for stats to confirm your opinions instead of using them plus basketball knowledge(which you likely have none) to form or change them. | ||
JimmiC
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On November 17 2017 08:56 Twinkle Toes wrote: Sixers got next! But Embiid is so unathletic with his landing. It's a ticking time bomb... Its perfect because he gets injured, it was landing mechanics. If he doesnt, see he fixed his landing mechanics. But right now where we dont know what will happen no one is going to say if its fixed or if hes going to get injured. The simple concept that correlation does not equal causation is another common weakness of data and theories. | ||
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On November 17 2017 08:37 Twinkle Toes wrote: GSW vs. BOS tonight. Many think this will be a great game, but I think it will be a demonstration. KD, Curry, Green, Iggy, Klay, vs. Wokyrie. Tough to call. With stevens success with celts, even with injuries, how many college coaches will get hired next offseason i think at least 2 | ||
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On November 17 2017 09:56 JimmiC wrote: When you blindly say OG over derozn stats are king regardless off logic OG is a better defender than Derozan entirely based on direct observation. It ain't even close. Defensive metrics indicate OG is better than DD. it ain't close. However, I've already said i would not substitute OG directly for Derozan. Furthermore, the line up modification i proposed in previous posts would be experimental....lowering DD's minutes and increasing OGs minutes is an experiment well worth attempting. | ||
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On November 17 2017 10:15 JimmyJRaynor wrote: OG is a better defender than Derozan entirely based on direct observation. However, I've already said i would not substitute OG directly for Derozan. Furthermore, such a line up modification would be experimental....lowering DD's minutes and increasing OGs minutes is an experiment well worth attempting. That is a reasonable opinion. What i called dumb was "OG needs to start and DD off the bench" | ||
Twinkle Toes
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On November 17 2017 09:59 JimmiC wrote: Its perfect because he gets injured, it was landing mechanics. If he doesnt, see he fixed his landing mechanics. But right now where we dont know what will happen no one is going to say if its fixed or if hes going to get injured. The simple concept that correlation does not equal causation is another common weakness of data and theories. I'm not an expert on landing mechanics, but I did some research to respond to JJ. If by good landing mechanics they mean land ball first, then I disagree that Wade and even DRose have bad landing mechanics since, and I think I've posted some actual pictures from vids about this in the Offseason thread, almost always land on ball first. Wade and Rose's injuries I think, my non-expert but keen observer opinion, has more to do with their explosive foot plant when they do side steps and their violent velocity when attacking the rim. As for Kobe, you and I both agree that JJ's claim about his bad landing mechanics and one foot landing which led to his injury and shortened career is garbage and funny. So moving on with the topic at hand. Embiid always seem to land with his full weight. Last night vs. the Lakers, he chased Ball's awkward angle layup, and Embiid just barely thinly grazed by someone else on his way up, Kuzma iirc, and that caused him to lose control and land flat footed and fall. In another game, he went to contest KD drive and no major or even remotely minor contact whatsoever, he landed as if someone pulled him down a la 80s era Pistons shenanigans. It must be his upper body control or just poor balance. But he really should work it out. He, Simmons, Redick, and the rest of the team can really be the next East super team in a year or so. By the way, any update on Jah? | ||
Jerubaal
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I think the reason people try to pick apart D-Wade's form because he just has such an odd gait. It looks like he's just taking all of the force on his calcaneus. | ||
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On November 17 2017 11:00 Jerubaal wrote: In running, you land on your calcaneus while when you jump you land on your metatarsals. Which is weird for Embiid since you have to act against your body to land heel first after a jump. It's so unnatural. I think the reason people try to pick apart D-Wade's form because he just has such an odd gait. It looks like he's just taking all of the force on his calcaneus. Agreed. | ||
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On November 17 2017 10:21 Twinkle Toes wrote: I'm not an expert on landing mechanics, but I did some research to respond to JJ. If by good landing mechanics they mean land ball first, then I disagree that Wade and even DRose have bad landing mechanics since, and I think I've posted some actual pictures from vids about this in the Offseason thread, almost always land on ball first. Wade and Rose's injuries I think, my non-expert but keen observer opinion, has more to do with their explosive foot plant when they do side steps and their violent velocity when attacking the rim. As for Kobe, you and I both agree that JJ's claim about his bad landing mechanics and one foot landing which led to his injury and shortened career is garbage and funny. So moving on with the topic at hand. Embiid always seem to land with his full weight. Last night vs. the Lakers, he chased Ball's awkward angle layup, and Embiid just barely thinly grazed by someone else on his way up, Kuzma iirc, and that caused him to lose control and land flat footed and fall. In another game, he went to contest KD drive and no major or even remotely minor contact whatsoever, he landed as if someone pulled him down a la 80s era Pistons shenanigans. It must be his upper body control or just poor balance. But he really should work it out. He, Simmons, Redick, and the rest of the team can really be the next East super team in a year or so. By the way, any update on Jah? I agree that there could be something to landing mechanics because as Jerubaal said, with some actual anatomy and proven bio mechanics info, there is a "correct" or healthier way to land. My issue was always with the videos where they would splice together a few cherry picked highlights of people who had already been injured or had injury history's and claim that this was the cause of the injury, which as you mentioned was often do to a change of direction or jump not the landing. It was more or less click bait for people who didn't have the critical thinking, or effort and willingness to check out other landings or the injuries. If someone could actually find out what "landing mechanics" were dangerous, they wouldn't even need to know how to correct it, they could just know that it was an issue and sell that info to NBA teams before the draft. You don't think Portland would pay at least 20 million bucks to know that Oden was going to break down and to take Durrant? But until someone can be predictive about it with some decent level of accuracy its worthless. It's people using hindsight to make up a cause its much like the junk science that said that immunizing kids causes autism. They basically did the same thing these videos did. they looked back and said "kids with autism were immunized, therefor the immunization caused it", Jenny Macarthly and other spreads the BS and now we have shit ton of not immunized kids. Real scientists then easily and repeatedly prove that yes there is correlation because almost everyone is immunized, but no it doesn't cause it. Much like everyone who is injured has landed bad at times, but everyone has landed bad at some time, so at this point its correlation. Someone would need to the proper research to find out with both injured and non-injured players what is the difference between people who landed poorly and got injured and the people that landed poorly and didn't get injured. Was it the frequency? The way they landed bad? The force that they came down with? The way their weight is distributed? Once they had a science based hypothesis they could then test it on a bunch of uninjured college/highschool players and check out their predictive accuracy. My guess is there is just to many factors and too many different types of injuries to do this with any accuracy. But if someone figured it out they could make a shit ton of money. Especially as salaries rise and having the right superstar players ups the value of your franchise exponentially. | ||
Nemireck
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On November 17 2017 07:06 JimmiC wrote: Hmm almost like effort and system play a large roll and you cant simply say some one is and always will be a bad defender based a couple advanced stats. I wonder who made this arguement before.... I mean, of course effort plays a huge part. We've all seen enough of Derozan to have observed the differences between nights where he tries hard on D and nights where he doesn't. The statistics are, at best, predictive based on the principle that "the best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour." If your argument is "stats can't predict a change in attitude or environment" then you're right, and you've exposed the limitations of statistical analysis. It's why teams still rely on people who have keen eyes for talent in order to assess players based on the "eye test." But I'd bet if someone were to seriously compare the two methods you'd find more similarities than stark differences, with a few outliers like Tom Brady sprinkled around the graph. | ||
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