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JimmyJRaynor
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JimmiC
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JimmyJRaynor
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On September 15 2017 03:26 JimmiC wrote: Thoughts on the top 100 list? I always find it an interesting read. They for sure punish guys who just score, I think Derozn and Melo should be higher then people who fill secondary rolls. But I don't think a ton higher. Overall pretty good and a good read. there is an SI top 100. and an ESPN top 100. which one are you talking about? On September 15 2017 03:26 JimmiC wrote: They for sure punish guys who just score, I think Derozn and Melo should be higher then people who fill secondary rolls. Derozan does more than score. Derozan was the Raptors "quasi-point guard" ( Casey term) during large stretches of the year. He has improved substantially as a playmaker the past 2 years. On September 15 2017 03:26 JimmiC wrote: Thoughts on the top 100 list? I always find it an interesting read. yep, both lists are interesting reading. no idea how SI has Lillard as better than Lowry. Lowry > Lillard by a lot. | ||
JimmiC
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On September 15 2017 04:47 JimmyJRaynor wrote: there is an SI top 100. and an ESPN top 100. which one are you talking about? Derozan does more than score. Derozan was the Raptors "quasi-point guard" ( Casey term) during large stretches of the year. He has improved substantially as a playmaker the past 2 years. yep, both lists are interesting reading. no idea how SI has Lillard as better than Lowry. Lowry > Lillard by a lot. Either list but I preferred SI write ups are way better I think way more thought was put into it. Here is what I was talking about write up on Derozen + Show Spoiler + Every year we relitigate the case of DeMar DeRozan, perhaps the league’s most polarizing player. Our verdict comes down to this: DeRozan is a refined, impressive scorer whose limitations create real problems. His best skill—and his only one that is above average—is one we’ve seen repeatedly stifled in a postseason setting, leaving us with lasting concerns about the ceiling DeRozan imposes on his own team. Considering that DeRozan can’t spot up from the three-point line (as of yet) and almost never cuts, his only real value to an offense comes with the ball in his hands. What follows can be extraordinary. DeRozan has mastered every technical advantage he can find in the mid-range, producing the league’s most extensive collection of moves and counters. His capacity to hit difficult, contested shots is remarkable, and every year DeRozan finds new ways to exploit his defenders by drawing fouls. This is the best DeRozan has to offer, and come playoff time it tends to be unsettled. When it’s not some patient, long-armed defender giving DeRozan trouble, it’s the double team—that mechanism which most tests DeRozan’s iffy awareness and playmaking sensibilities. DeRozan knows what he does well, and as such he can sometimes be reluctant to give the ball up early. This, combined with an unwillingness to even attempt three-pointers, can lead to the kind of over-dribbling that is counterproductive. Yes, DeRozan is often scoring plenty (a career-best 27.3 PPG last season) in spite of these factors. It’s telling however, that the lineups featuring Kyle Lowry and Raptors bench players – some of Toronto’s best – couldn’t find solvency when DeRozan took Lowry’s place. If a volume scorer isn’t able to carry lesser lineups, how much is he actually doing to build winning margins? This is an even bigger issue because of how little DeRozan contributes off the ball. You can’t surround him with lesser supporting talent because DeRozan does so little to elevate the play of his teammates and his own efficiency is so subject to playoff-level scheming. But pairing him with other creators compromises some of what DeRozan does best and shackles his teammates to his unreliable spacing. Were DeRozan even an average three-point shooter, some of these problems would disappear. If he were any kind of helpful defender, a portion of the negatives might come out in the wash. Were he more active off the ball or aware with it, things might work out more often in his favor. But to all of the above, he isn’t. For five straight years, the Raptors have performed better with DeRozan off the floor. The truth of his value is more complicated than that, though the wealth of mixed signals to this point are beyond coincidence. We know DeRozan can score. But to what end? — RM And here's an article about why primary scorers get squeezed. https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1372425-why-derozan-and-melo-got-squeezed-and-the-problem-with-rankings | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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https://fansided.com/2017/05/10/nylon-calculus-explaining-raptors-playoff-disasters/ a statistical way of verifying Derozan's poor defense is to examine what happens to every Raptor team mate and his defensive efficiency when they are on the floor with DD. Every Raptor's Defensive Efficiency gets worse in the presence of Derozan. http://www.82games.com/1617/1617TOR2.HTM i rank DD as ~ the 22th best starting SG in the NBA on defense. he is not the worst.. but he's close. i'd say SI has Derozan approximately where he belongs. He deserves some bonus value for being able to play PG now. He has definitely improved as an offensive player the last 2-3 years... especially as a playmaker... but its hard to see with boxscore stats. | ||
RowdierBob
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JimmiC
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On September 15 2017 20:07 RowdierBob wrote: 21st imo. No way man hes 23rd. I base this on watching every single game and my own brand of highly scientific analytics. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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his defense is bad. good to see 2 other agree | ||
Jerubaal
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RowdierBob
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Interesting question: Giannis or AD? Who would you prefer to build a team around? | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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Jerubaal
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AgentW
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On September 17 2017 00:28 Jerubaal wrote: Oh I'm sure he'll be an All Star for a good long time. I just am sleeping on him being a top 3 player, which is an odd thing to say you're "sleeping" on but it's commensurate with the hypes he's gotten from some people. I agree with you. I like to say that if you asked the every-man, there's 20 top 10 players in the league. It's not an insult to call a guy the 10th best player in the NBA. | ||
cLutZ
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Shocked that this was leaked this far out from CBA negotiations, but also, its more evidence of how bad Adam Silver is at his job. If Lebron didn't exist, he would already be fired. | ||
andrewlt
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On September 17 2017 03:21 AgentW wrote: I agree with you. I like to say that if you asked the every-man, there's 20 top 10 players in the league. It's not an insult to call a guy the 10th best player in the NBA. Hear, hear. I, for one, also subscribe to the notion that top 5 means 5 players only. I don't think Giannis is top 5 yet. If you are in the sorry eastern conference, you have to at least carry your team to the conference finals to be considered top 5. For all the criticism he takes, Lebron has made it to the finals 7 straight times. On September 20 2017 05:01 cLutZ wrote: http://thebiglead.com/2017/09/19/nba-local-tv-revenue-disparity-small-market-big-market/ Shocked that this was leaked this far out from CBA negotiations, but also, its more evidence of how bad Adam Silver is at his job. If Lebron didn't exist, he would already be fired. The Clippers play in the same market, have a better record and have less profits than the Lakers. Some of these owners need to run their teams like an actual business. These guys don't have the right to make a profit just because they have a team. The guy who paid $2.5 billion for his big market team doesn't owe the guy who paid $500 million for his small market team an equal share of league profits. These guys are all supposed to be rich businessmen, even the poorest among them. But somehow, we hand the owners of the less profitable teams a soapbox to whine all the fucking time. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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On September 04 2017 02:25 NarutO wrote: Excuse my double post - anyone knows when the season pass will be available for purchase? Currently the only option I see is buying for the previous season / summer season. Not for the 2017/18 season. In addition it does say "monthly" 29,99 instead of yearly for me :S information about the NBA League Pass for 2017-18 is now out there. https://www.reddit.com/r/torontoraptors/comments/71d265/league_pass_2017_2018_prices/ "*Excludes all Toronto Raptors and nationally televised games. Learn more about Blackouts (link to support site page)" which also explains why the prices are dirt cheap in Canada. https://watch.nba.com/packages?ls=leaguepass:nbacom:3pp:generic:main the least expensive route for non-Canadians is to use a VPN and appear to be in Canada and buy it that way. this trick method does carry some risk though. No clue what happens if the NBA League Pass people figure out you're not in Canada. | ||
Gorgonoth
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cLutZ
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On September 20 2017 06:25 andrewlt wrote: Hear, hear. I, for one, also subscribe to the notion that top 5 means 5 players only. I don't think Giannis is top 5 yet. If you are in the sorry eastern conference, you have to at least carry your team to the conference finals to be considered top 5. For all the criticism he takes, Lebron has made it to the finals 7 straight times. The Clippers play in the same market, have a better record and have less profits than the Lakers. Some of these owners need to run their teams like an actual business. These guys don't have the right to make a profit just because they have a team. The guy who paid $2.5 billion for his big market team doesn't owe the guy who paid $500 million for his small market team an equal share of league profits. These guys are all supposed to be rich businessmen, even the poorest among them. But somehow, we hand the owners of the less profitable teams a soapbox to whine all the fucking time. The CBA prevents teams from running them like businesses though, which is the problem. The draft and lottery don't help either. | ||
JimmyJRaynor
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Joel Embiid's landing mechanics are bad. he had zero opportunity to improve them this off season. Colangelo is very "cavalier" in his talk about how Embiid will get used. My take: Embiid will again hurt his knee and miss a substantial portion of the season. If Embiid plays the back-to-backs like Colangelo says he will and Embiid goes the first 40 games without an injury i'll be shocked. Embiid's Landing Mechanics ( by the same guy who identified Bryant's bad landing mechanics after his 3rd knee operation). Embiid's pigeon-toed, knees collapsing towards each other landing is an injury waiting to happen. | ||
JimmiC
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