[D] Blizzard Banning for Single Player Cheats - Page 4
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Checkov
United States11 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
ar·bi·trar·y adj. 1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle: stopped at the first motel we passed, an arbitrary choice. 2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference: The diet imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary. 3. Established by a court or judge rather than by a specific law or statute: an arbitrary penalty. 4. Not limited by law; despotic: the arbitrary rule of a dictator. Its in the ToS, you can draw a clear line from action to ban with reasons. Blizzard did not go "hey trailers ban". There was something clearly written in the ToS about it. So maybe you should learn the definition of your favorite word before throwing it out there so much? Do you want to argue why removing a customers access to a service he purchases for local cheat codes for local use is not 1) 2) and 4)? Your definition of arbitrary just further reinforces my points. | ||
awu25
United States2003 Posts
On October 12 2010 04:56 Half wrote: I replied to the last guy who said this and a mod pmed me saying I needed to say more then just "no". Really I don't see why I was pmed instead of the other guy who just didn't read lol. Clearly, the vast majority of trainers offer unique functions. do people really need that many cheats in order to "train"? you could've just made a custom map like this and why do i get the feeling that you were someone who used this trainer | ||
DJ Roomba
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tacrats
476 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:00 Half wrote: Also I'd like to note that many were banned for using cheats in custom games, where no achievements are unlocked, and no cheat codes are usable. even worse. | ||
Jameser
Sweden951 Posts
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Chained
United States137 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:01 awu25 wrote: do people really need that many cheats in order to "train"? you could've just made a custom map like this and why do i get the feeling that you were someone who used this trainer Haha, I'm Diamond 1300 (not that it matters, but at least it shows I don't suck right) and have acquired every single campaign achievement without trainers. I also own the CE edition of the game. even worse. Local custom games, they don't work online. | ||
Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:00 Half wrote: Also I'd like to note that many were banned for using cheats in custom games, where no achievements are unlocked, and no cheat codes are usable. Do you want to argue why removing a customers access to a service he purchases for local cheat codes for local use is not 1) 2) and 4)? Your definition of arbitrary just further reinforces my points. See that earlier post ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928¤tpage=3#60 ), it is edited with reasons why it is not arbitrary. If that does not make it clear to you, then you might have reading comprehension issues or have a very skewed system of how contracts work. Please actually read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928#5 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928¤tpage=2#25 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159928¤tpage=3#60 | ||
Gecko
United States519 Posts
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viraltouch
United States299 Posts
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Half
United States2554 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:02 Seide wrote: See that earlier post, it is edited with reasons why it is not arbitrary. If that does not make it clear to you, then you might have reading comprehension issues. The existence of any kind of correlative connection doesn't make it less arbitrary, according to your own definition lol. For instance, 2) shows clear connection, but is still entirely arbitrary. Moreover, if laws are arbitrary, that may suck, but the entire point is companies should not have the same power as the fucking state. We're not debating the legitimacy of a law here, we're debating the legality of company policy. | ||
Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:05 viraltouch wrote: haha seide you are such a troll. see you in a diff thread doing the same shiet You mean actually arguing with a basis and well written responses? If that is trolling, then what kind of world do we live in. | ||
snakeyes
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And there was a warning. Blizzard posted on September 14th Blizzard Entertainment has always taken cheating in any form in Blizzard games very seriously, and that's no different for StarCraft II. If a StarCraft II player is found to be cheating or using hacks or modifications in any form, then as outlined in our end user license agreement, that player can be permanently banned from the game. This means that the player will be permanently unable to log in to Battle.net to play StarCraft II with his or her account. Playing StarCraft II legitimately means playing with an unaltered game client. Doing otherwise violates our policies for Battle.net, and it goes against the spirit of fair play that all of our games are based on. We strongly recommend that you avoid using any hacks, cheats, or exploits. Suspensions and bans of players that have used or start using cheats and hacks will begin in the near future. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/809157#blog This is pretty much a catch all for hacking. It does not say multiplayer hacks. It says anything that alters the game files. DOn't hack and don't use anything to help you in the game and you will be just fine. | ||
Champ24
177 Posts
Edit:snakeyes post makes my point irrelevant. They were warned. | ||
BulldogBCN
Spain50 Posts
On October 12 2010 04 Half wrote: Starcraft 2 is a service. Similar any variety of services. Indeed, most services maintain the right to physical kick you out if you're behaving in a way that detriments other consumers, or the ability of the company to function. However, they cannot arbitrarily kick you out, even if that arbitrary reason was outlined on the TOS. but what's arbitrary or not is open to interpretation. in your opinion it's arbitrary, in blizzard's opinion it's not. now what? i guess in the worst case scenario a judge would have to decide if it is arbitrary or not. | ||
Seide
United States831 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:05 Half wrote: The existence of any kind of correlative connection doesn't make it less arbitrary, according to your own definition lol. For instance, 2) shows clear connection, but is still entirely arbitrary. Moreover, if laws are arbitrary, that may suck, but the entire point is companies should not have the same power as the fucking state. Is that a hard concept? A state forces their laws upon you, your only choice is to really move. Software: you bought the product and installed it, you had a choice whether to accept the terms they laid out for you. Since you did you accepted that you will not modify your client, and if you did you run the risk of getting banned. Individual buys product, sees terms -> Acceptance of these terms makes terms no longer arbitrary -> individual breaks terms -> individual gets banned as outlined in terms. What is so hard to understand? | ||
D10
Brazil3409 Posts
Blizzard has become a dark shadow of what it once were. Soon they will ban you because you typed holy shit. | ||
Half
United States2554 Posts
And there was a warning. Blizzard posted on September 14th Blizzard Entertainment has always taken cheating in any form in Blizzard games very seriously, and that's no different for StarCraft II. If a StarCraft II player is found to be cheating or using hacks or modifications in any form, then as outlined in our end user license agreement, that player can be permanently banned from the game. This means that the player will be permanently unable to log in to Battle.net to play StarCraft II with his or her account. Playing StarCraft II legitimately means playing with an unaltered game client. Doing otherwise violates our policies for Battle.net, and it goes against the spirit of fair play that all of our games are based on. We strongly recommend that you avoid using any hacks, cheats, or exploits. Suspensions and bans of players that have used or start using cheats and hacks will begin in the near future. http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/809157#blog It is indeed a catch all. There are several more catch-alls in past TOS's that were, in reality, never enforced, because blizzard felt they lacked the public support to take these cases to trial. Just because a company proclaims something, doesn't mean its so, surprisingly enough. And indeed, if these were followed to the letter, the Diablo 2 modding scene would never have developed. http://modsbylaz.hugelaser.com/ http://homepage3.nifty.com/miyoshino/es/es3top.htm A state forces their laws upon you, your only choice is to really move. Software: you bought the product and installed it, you ahd a choice whether to accept the terms they laid out for you. Since you did you accepted that you will not modify your client, and if you did you run the risk of getting banned. Caveat emptor huh? The good ol motto of stooges everywhere. Please, explain the legal and ethical justification of a buyer beware policy on digital consumption to me then. | ||
tacrats
476 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:02 Half wrote: Haha, I'm Diamond 1300 (not that it matters, but at least it shows I don't suck right) and have acquired every single campaign achievement without trainers. I also own the CE edition of the game. Local custom games, they don't work online. what is a local custom game in sc2? u mean the VS AI where you can get the AI/FFA achievements? | ||
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