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On October 06 2012 08:05 baldgye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:57 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 05:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:21 MidgetHumper wrote:On October 06 2012 05:13 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 03:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 03:16 M0RE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... VERSUS does not rank by activity but by points. So if you're top 1000 in the VS. ranking you're not guaranteed one of the top 1000 active players, plus the 1000 most active was globally which means you have to be like one of the top 50 of the US (don't know how the keys are split). So if 1000 players (globally) made 2 games, they were more active than you were I know, but there are only 895 people who are in the actual versus, so where are the 1000 keys going to? There's many many who played 1 game, did they not get keys? And if so, i'm wondering if they'll give the rest of the 1000 keys in some other competition or such. On October 06 2012 03:43 baldgye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... how can you be sad if you only played a single game? Well to be blunt that's really not my problem or fault that ESL wasn't more active, if they were given 1000 keys to give away to the 1000 most active, and they change it to players with 1 or more games after the competition is over... they're not following up on what they said then. we know its bad and wasn't good and took forever to find games, becasue we played like 50+ plus games of it... and I'm guessing if you didn't get a key then you wern't in the top most active with your baller total of 1+ game... becasue I imagine they have more than 1k people in total who put in more than one game But what about all those players who put in 0 effort and still expect a beta key for the 1-2 games.. Isn't this somehow discriminating against the lazy? It would be, but I guess there were actually just that many people who were playing in the other ESL events that the many many who only played 1 game weren't active enough ^^ Also @baldgye, i already said there is only 895 on the ladder, out of 1000. That's why I was asking. but I'm pretty sure there where more than one ladder... and even if they did have a secret threash hold of number of games needed to qualify and that turned out to be more than one, then I'm glad! it means that people who put the effort it got rewarded and the people who just tried to cheat the system by doing as little as possible didn't get rewarded, becasue if they had said you need to play at least 2 games, you would have played those two and no more... Not trying to be mean but they rewarded people who tried out there league and site and ignoored the people who tried to cheese the system for a free key... good for them I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying. There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system". Does that make any sense? It's completly fair becasue the whole point of the competition is for people to use there league, one or two games is hardly using. If the threash hold was public knoledge then instead of playing as much as possible and really pushing the system and being forced to play as much as you could you actually get an idea of what the service it is they are offering. Cheating the system is what you tried to do and failed to do.
Your argument doesn't address what I said at all o.o it is still lying then, and thus they cheat you.
If someone says that you must do X to do Y, and you do X, and they do not give Y, you cheated them? sure...
How do you know that is the "whole point"? That is your opinion.
1 or 2 games is not using the league? You played 1 or 2 games, thus you did indeed use the league.
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On October 06 2012 13:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 08:05 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:57 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 05:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:21 MidgetHumper wrote:On October 06 2012 05:13 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 03:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 03:16 M0RE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... VERSUS does not rank by activity but by points. So if you're top 1000 in the VS. ranking you're not guaranteed one of the top 1000 active players, plus the 1000 most active was globally which means you have to be like one of the top 50 of the US (don't know how the keys are split). So if 1000 players (globally) made 2 games, they were more active than you were I know, but there are only 895 people who are in the actual versus, so where are the 1000 keys going to? There's many many who played 1 game, did they not get keys? And if so, i'm wondering if they'll give the rest of the 1000 keys in some other competition or such. On October 06 2012 03:43 baldgye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... how can you be sad if you only played a single game? Well to be blunt that's really not my problem or fault that ESL wasn't more active, if they were given 1000 keys to give away to the 1000 most active, and they change it to players with 1 or more games after the competition is over... they're not following up on what they said then. we know its bad and wasn't good and took forever to find games, becasue we played like 50+ plus games of it... and I'm guessing if you didn't get a key then you wern't in the top most active with your baller total of 1+ game... becasue I imagine they have more than 1k people in total who put in more than one game But what about all those players who put in 0 effort and still expect a beta key for the 1-2 games.. Isn't this somehow discriminating against the lazy? It would be, but I guess there were actually just that many people who were playing in the other ESL events that the many many who only played 1 game weren't active enough ^^ Also @baldgye, i already said there is only 895 on the ladder, out of 1000. That's why I was asking. but I'm pretty sure there where more than one ladder... and even if they did have a secret threash hold of number of games needed to qualify and that turned out to be more than one, then I'm glad! it means that people who put the effort it got rewarded and the people who just tried to cheat the system by doing as little as possible didn't get rewarded, becasue if they had said you need to play at least 2 games, you would have played those two and no more... Not trying to be mean but they rewarded people who tried out there league and site and ignoored the people who tried to cheese the system for a free key... good for them I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying. There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system". Does that make any sense? It's completly fair becasue the whole point of the competition is for people to use there league, one or two games is hardly using. If the threash hold was public knoledge then instead of playing as much as possible and really pushing the system and being forced to play as much as you could you actually get an idea of what the service it is they are offering. Cheating the system is what you tried to do and failed to do. Your argument doesn't address what I said at all o.o it is still lying then, and thus they cheat you. If someone says that you must do X to do Y, and you do X, and they do not give Y, you cheated them? sure... How do you know that is the "whole point"? That is your opinion. 1 or 2 games is not using the league? You played 1 or 2 games, thus you did indeed use the league.
It was specified multiple times that it is not the top 1000 players from versus, but across the ESL site. ESL runs cups in EU all the time. It's pretty simple to see you wanted to do the bear minimum and be rewarded, how hard would it be to load up 5 or 10 games when people were busting their ass to play 100 or so? It's not fair to sit and criticize ESL for this sort of thing, when you're the one trying to cheat the system.
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I have a policy. I never do any contests for Beta Keys. Period. The fact that organizations get thousands of them to market always frustrated me. Seriously, you're saying I have to compete to be a free QA tester for Blizzard? Even though I've been a loyal fan for over a decade?
Don't get me wrong, it makes perfect sense for Blizzard, and it makes perfect sense for the companies giving out the keys. Also, I really do want to play the Beta. But for the reasons above, trying to win a Beta keys always made jealous, angry, and unhappy. So even for the SC2 WOL Beta, I didn't even attempt to get a key.
Just play WOL and wait to get invited by Blizzard. Thankfully, I got mine today. But after messing around with the new units, I think I'll probably just keep playing WOL until the final product is released.
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So I guess some people got their keys today and some will get them next week?
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I'm happy that i won a beta key, but i'm sad that everyone just quit playing on versus
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If you got invite by Blizzard it's not from ESL "giveaway".
ESL are sending the infomation to blizzard on Monday.
If you now have HotS you have been randomly selected from blizzard.
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Thanks ESL. I played like 3 games and got one
Oh yeah, just noticed that the ESL email says I need to do extra stuff that I haven't done to activate it. Guess it was just a coincidence that I got ESL Success email and Blizzard Success email at the same time.
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On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying.
There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system".
Does that make any sense?
Of course there was some kind of a "secret" threshold, but it was also a secret for the ESL since the invites are split to the most 1000 countries proportionately and no one could have predicted from the beginning how many players of each country are going to play, which means there was a "secret" threshold for every single country, which turned out to be like 5+ for countries like Germany, US, Poland etc. and like 2+ for South Africa, Denmark, Netherlands etc. (dont know the exact numbers, just an assumption)
On October 06 2012 07:46 Mairou wrote: Question: Do you send confimation email that you have acquqired my Bnet email adress and ESL player profile link ? Would be nice to know so i can be sure that my email has been succesfully sent.
You just have to put your email address which you are using for Battle.Net and your ESL profile link in the email. Which address you use to reply isnt important, but I guess if you use the same you use on ESL to reply it will be easier to proccess. Same applies for ToRMaverick
On October 06 2012 11:19 Spray wrote: i was playing on na but the email is a .eu. does this mean that i will need an eu client to play? or does it not matter and i will get my inviite next friday?
Doesn't matter, theres only one client and server for the beta.
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On October 06 2012 13:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 08:05 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:57 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 05:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:21 MidgetHumper wrote:On October 06 2012 05:13 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 03:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 03:16 M0RE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... VERSUS does not rank by activity but by points. So if you're top 1000 in the VS. ranking you're not guaranteed one of the top 1000 active players, plus the 1000 most active was globally which means you have to be like one of the top 50 of the US (don't know how the keys are split). So if 1000 players (globally) made 2 games, they were more active than you were I know, but there are only 895 people who are in the actual versus, so where are the 1000 keys going to? There's many many who played 1 game, did they not get keys? And if so, i'm wondering if they'll give the rest of the 1000 keys in some other competition or such. On October 06 2012 03:43 baldgye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... how can you be sad if you only played a single game? Well to be blunt that's really not my problem or fault that ESL wasn't more active, if they were given 1000 keys to give away to the 1000 most active, and they change it to players with 1 or more games after the competition is over... they're not following up on what they said then. we know its bad and wasn't good and took forever to find games, becasue we played like 50+ plus games of it... and I'm guessing if you didn't get a key then you wern't in the top most active with your baller total of 1+ game... becasue I imagine they have more than 1k people in total who put in more than one game But what about all those players who put in 0 effort and still expect a beta key for the 1-2 games.. Isn't this somehow discriminating against the lazy? It would be, but I guess there were actually just that many people who were playing in the other ESL events that the many many who only played 1 game weren't active enough ^^ Also @baldgye, i already said there is only 895 on the ladder, out of 1000. That's why I was asking. but I'm pretty sure there where more than one ladder... and even if they did have a secret threash hold of number of games needed to qualify and that turned out to be more than one, then I'm glad! it means that people who put the effort it got rewarded and the people who just tried to cheat the system by doing as little as possible didn't get rewarded, becasue if they had said you need to play at least 2 games, you would have played those two and no more... Not trying to be mean but they rewarded people who tried out there league and site and ignoored the people who tried to cheese the system for a free key... good for them I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying. There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system". Does that make any sense? It's completly fair becasue the whole point of the competition is for people to use there league, one or two games is hardly using. If the threash hold was public knoledge then instead of playing as much as possible and really pushing the system and being forced to play as much as you could you actually get an idea of what the service it is they are offering. Cheating the system is what you tried to do and failed to do. Your argument doesn't address what I said at all o.o it is still lying then, and thus they cheat you. If someone says that you must do X to do Y, and you do X, and they do not give Y, you cheated them? sure... How do you know that is the "whole point"? That is your opinion. 1 or 2 games is not using the league? You played 1 or 2 games, thus you did indeed use the league. Stop this already. 1) They never said how many games exactly you need to play to get the key. 2) There is no checking how many actually active players there are on ESL because of numerous events and leagues and cups. 3) They said they would reward players from lesser scenes to promote their development, USA is not one of them. 4) Whining because you didnt get a key with 1 game played is just pathetic. If anyone got cheated here its the thousands of active players on battle net who play more than a hundred games monthly and still get no key.
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Imo you are just all underestimating to amount of players that didnt play versus at all but had some games because they played cups and so on.
esl europe hosts daily cups with ~ 25 - 50 players each and there are some national cups and ladders aswell.
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On October 06 2012 18:17 M0RE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying.
There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system".
Does that make any sense? Of course there was some kind of a "secret" threshold, but it was also a secret for the ESL since the invites are split to the most 1000 countries proportionately and no one could have predicted from the beginning how many players of each country are going to play, which means there was a "secret" threshold for every single country, which turned out to be like 5+ for countries like Germany, US, Poland etc. and like 2+ for South Africa, Denmark, Netherlands etc. (dont know the exact numbers, just an assumption) Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 07:46 Mairou wrote: Question: Do you send confimation email that you have acquqired my Bnet email adress and ESL player profile link ? Would be nice to know so i can be sure that my email has been succesfully sent. You just have to put your email address which you are using for Battle.Net and your ESL profile link in the email. Which address you use to reply isnt important, but I guess if you use the same you use on ESL to reply it will be easier to proccess. Same applies for ToRMaverick
I used my battle net email adress to reply and not my ESL one. Hope that is ok or should I send again from the ESL email?
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On October 06 2012 22:30 Aquila- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 18:17 M0RE wrote:On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying.
There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system".
Does that make any sense? Of course there was some kind of a "secret" threshold, but it was also a secret for the ESL since the invites are split to the most 1000 countries proportionately and no one could have predicted from the beginning how many players of each country are going to play, which means there was a "secret" threshold for every single country, which turned out to be like 5+ for countries like Germany, US, Poland etc. and like 2+ for South Africa, Denmark, Netherlands etc. (dont know the exact numbers, just an assumption) On October 06 2012 07:46 Mairou wrote: Question: Do you send confimation email that you have acquqired my Bnet email adress and ESL player profile link ? Would be nice to know so i can be sure that my email has been succesfully sent. You just have to put your email address which you are using for Battle.Net and your ESL profile link in the email. Which address you use to reply isnt important, but I guess if you use the same you use on ESL to reply it will be easier to proccess. Same applies for ToRMaverick I used my battle net email adress to reply and not my ESL one. Hope that is ok or should I send again from the ESL email?
A Q U I L A ♥
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Man, if I had seen this earlier I would have played more games just to make sure, but by the time I saw it and figured out that weird website there was literally only time for a few games, and I didn't make the cut
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Eagerly awaiting, <3 you ESL. Hopefully we all don't have to wait more than 1 or 2 weeks for blizzard to follow-through on the delivery.
How to pass the time? More ESL ladder.
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On October 06 2012 13:19 gh0stsquall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 13:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 08:05 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:57 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 05:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:21 MidgetHumper wrote:On October 06 2012 05:13 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 03:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 03:16 M0RE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... VERSUS does not rank by activity but by points. So if you're top 1000 in the VS. ranking you're not guaranteed one of the top 1000 active players, plus the 1000 most active was globally which means you have to be like one of the top 50 of the US (don't know how the keys are split). So if 1000 players (globally) made 2 games, they were more active than you were I know, but there are only 895 people who are in the actual versus, so where are the 1000 keys going to? There's many many who played 1 game, did they not get keys? And if so, i'm wondering if they'll give the rest of the 1000 keys in some other competition or such. On October 06 2012 03:43 baldgye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... how can you be sad if you only played a single game? Well to be blunt that's really not my problem or fault that ESL wasn't more active, if they were given 1000 keys to give away to the 1000 most active, and they change it to players with 1 or more games after the competition is over... they're not following up on what they said then. we know its bad and wasn't good and took forever to find games, becasue we played like 50+ plus games of it... and I'm guessing if you didn't get a key then you wern't in the top most active with your baller total of 1+ game... becasue I imagine they have more than 1k people in total who put in more than one game But what about all those players who put in 0 effort and still expect a beta key for the 1-2 games.. Isn't this somehow discriminating against the lazy? It would be, but I guess there were actually just that many people who were playing in the other ESL events that the many many who only played 1 game weren't active enough ^^ Also @baldgye, i already said there is only 895 on the ladder, out of 1000. That's why I was asking. but I'm pretty sure there where more than one ladder... and even if they did have a secret threash hold of number of games needed to qualify and that turned out to be more than one, then I'm glad! it means that people who put the effort it got rewarded and the people who just tried to cheat the system by doing as little as possible didn't get rewarded, becasue if they had said you need to play at least 2 games, you would have played those two and no more... Not trying to be mean but they rewarded people who tried out there league and site and ignoored the people who tried to cheese the system for a free key... good for them I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying. There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system". Does that make any sense? It's completly fair becasue the whole point of the competition is for people to use there league, one or two games is hardly using. If the threash hold was public knoledge then instead of playing as much as possible and really pushing the system and being forced to play as much as you could you actually get an idea of what the service it is they are offering. Cheating the system is what you tried to do and failed to do. Your argument doesn't address what I said at all o.o it is still lying then, and thus they cheat you. If someone says that you must do X to do Y, and you do X, and they do not give Y, you cheated them? sure... How do you know that is the "whole point"? That is your opinion. 1 or 2 games is not using the league? You played 1 or 2 games, thus you did indeed use the league. It was specified multiple times that it is not the top 1000 players from versus, but across the ESL site. ESL runs cups in EU all the time. It's pretty simple to see you wanted to do the bear minimum and be rewarded, how hard would it be to load up 5 or 10 games when people were busting their ass to play 100 or so? It's not fair to sit and criticize ESL for this sort of thing, when you're the one trying to cheat the system.
You misunderstand me. I know it's not the top 1000. Also, I am not criticizing ESL. Please read my previous posts, I think you'll understand. He is saying that, if there WAS a secret threshold, he would like that. I am saying a secret threshold would mean they are cheating you. And by secret threshold, I do not mean the way they split up the keys by region (in which they don't say exactly how that will be split up), but that there is an EXTRA hidden requirement that you must fulfill to win a key (at least X games, even if you ARE top 1000 active).
Also your argument is very sentimental. If let's say I played 10 games, and someone busted their ass to play 100 games. We both get keys. Is it my fault that they busted their ass? What, is that not their decision to play that many games? How is that cheating anything?
@M0RE
Yes, I understand that, but I'm not arguing nor criticizing that. I am talking about a secret threshold theorized by the one I was arguing against such that there is an additional, hidden requirement, of which he would have liked ESL to not disclose.
On October 06 2012 20:08 Cheerio wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 13:12 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 08:05 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 07:44 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:57 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 05:54 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 05:21 MidgetHumper wrote:On October 06 2012 05:13 baldgye wrote:On October 06 2012 03:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2012 03:16 M0RE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... VERSUS does not rank by activity but by points. So if you're top 1000 in the VS. ranking you're not guaranteed one of the top 1000 active players, plus the 1000 most active was globally which means you have to be like one of the top 50 of the US (don't know how the keys are split). So if 1000 players (globally) made 2 games, they were more active than you were I know, but there are only 895 people who are in the actual versus, so where are the 1000 keys going to? There's many many who played 1 game, did they not get keys? And if so, i'm wondering if they'll give the rest of the 1000 keys in some other competition or such. On October 06 2012 03:43 baldgye wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2012 03:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:On October 06 2012 03:10 SinCitta wrote:On October 06 2012 03:00 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:I'm in the top 1000 but no invite? what will happen to the rest of what's left of the 1000 invites? Did you make two ESL games or more? nope, only 1 but that wasn't part of the "top 1000 most active players" thing... how can you be sad if you only played a single game? Well to be blunt that's really not my problem or fault that ESL wasn't more active, if they were given 1000 keys to give away to the 1000 most active, and they change it to players with 1 or more games after the competition is over... they're not following up on what they said then. we know its bad and wasn't good and took forever to find games, becasue we played like 50+ plus games of it... and I'm guessing if you didn't get a key then you wern't in the top most active with your baller total of 1+ game... becasue I imagine they have more than 1k people in total who put in more than one game But what about all those players who put in 0 effort and still expect a beta key for the 1-2 games.. Isn't this somehow discriminating against the lazy? It would be, but I guess there were actually just that many people who were playing in the other ESL events that the many many who only played 1 game weren't active enough ^^ Also @baldgye, i already said there is only 895 on the ladder, out of 1000. That's why I was asking. but I'm pretty sure there where more than one ladder... and even if they did have a secret threash hold of number of games needed to qualify and that turned out to be more than one, then I'm glad! it means that people who put the effort it got rewarded and the people who just tried to cheat the system by doing as little as possible didn't get rewarded, becasue if they had said you need to play at least 2 games, you would have played those two and no more... Not trying to be mean but they rewarded people who tried out there league and site and ignoored the people who tried to cheese the system for a free key... good for them I understand where you're coming from but that would be completely unfair. Imagine if the secret threshold was actually 3 games then. What if I played 2? What if it was 4, but I played 3? That is not fair, and if there is a secret threshold, it means the ones giving the keys away are lying. It's not a question of right or wrong, it's simply lying. There is no cheating the system. If they had a secret requirement, they are the ones cheating you. If they say you only need to be the top 1000 most active, and you are the top 1000 most active, it doesn't matter how many games you played. You made the requirement. What's the point in giving out the requirements to win something if the requirements themselves aren't even true or reliable? What kind of world would we live in then? What if they said you need to play at least 2 games, but then there was a secret threshold of 3 games, because they fault that 2 was "cheating the system". Does that make any sense? It's completly fair becasue the whole point of the competition is for people to use there league, one or two games is hardly using. If the threash hold was public knoledge then instead of playing as much as possible and really pushing the system and being forced to play as much as you could you actually get an idea of what the service it is they are offering. Cheating the system is what you tried to do and failed to do. Your argument doesn't address what I said at all o.o it is still lying then, and thus they cheat you. If someone says that you must do X to do Y, and you do X, and they do not give Y, you cheated them? sure... How do you know that is the "whole point"? That is your opinion. 1 or 2 games is not using the league? You played 1 or 2 games, thus you did indeed use the league. Stop this already. 1) They never said how many games exactly you need to play to get the key. 2) There is no checking how many actually active players there are on ESL because of numerous events and leagues and cups. 3) They said they would reward players from lesser scenes to promote their development, USA is not one of them. 4) Whining because you didnt get a key with 1 game played is just pathetic. If anyone got cheated here its the thousands of active players on battle net who play more than a hundred games monthly and still get no key.
You also misunderstand me. Please read the actual argument. I am not whining for a key. I think it's really disrespectful and pathetic of yourself or others people to post with such hate and disgust without actually reading thoroughly. Also, whether or not Blizzard wants to give players keys based on Bnet activity or through ESL activity is up to them, or ESL.
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OK, I can assure you (and anyone else) that there was no hidden requirement to get a key. It just turned out that you needed X games (X varied for each country) to get a key. The only "requirement" was that you did no fake matches, which means "poke a friend, open a game, close it within a minute", or "create a new account, chose a country with very less players and play 1+ match" (which made admin work pretty horrible the last days), those people were sorted out, no matter if or how many legit games there were. And someone who played 10 games compared to someone who played 100+ games was by no means cheating the system, it's just the way it turned out. To be honest, I wonder how many players complain about getting no key although they used fake matches or fake accounts to get a key and were busted but don't know it yet
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On October 07 2012 12:09 M0RE wrote:OK, I can assure you (and anyone else) that there was no hidden requirement to get a key. It just turned out that you needed X games (X varied for each country) to get a key. The only "requirement" was that you did no fake matches, which means "poke a friend, open a game, close it within a minute", or "create a new account, chose a country with very less players and play 1+ match" (which made admin work pretty horrible the last days), those people were sorted out, no matter if or how many legit games there were. And someone who played 10 games compared to someone who played 100+ games was by no means cheating the system, it's just the way it turned out. To be honest, I wonder how many players complain about getting no key although they used fake matches or fake accounts to get a key and were busted but don't know it yet
Haha, I'm curious too ^^
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Downloaded the beta client. Now we wait...
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I didn't got a key, I didn't plan to complain or anything, but now I'm curious, there are only two player from Mexico, me and another guy who played 12 games, I played 11, I assumed, that there was only one key for mexico, but now I want to make sure that I didn't got placed with the people that abused the sistem, because I didn't. I know I didn't played that much, but still, I would like to be sure that at least it wasn't because somebody thought that I abused the sistem.
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