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On January 03 2013 04:03 Solarist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:52 Scrubwave wrote:On January 03 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 02:28 Scrubwave wrote:On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. Ouch. Can't be THAT bad. Buying hots after what they turned WOL into and the diablo 3 fiasco? No thanks. What Diablo 3 fiasco? You mean the PC only game that sold well over 8 million copies world wide? One of the highest selling PC games in years. The 5th most searched for term in 2012 as rated by Google. The game where they banned thousands of accounts for using bots just last month. People need to stop drinking their own Cool-Aid. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviewsThis fiasco, maybe you haven't heard of it. Never ever ever ever use metacritic userscore for a game as popular as diablo. Most are 12 year old retards, i remember just after release where the servers were buggy, the game had a score of like 1.2. People just went, "cant log in right away, and my mom says i have to go to bed now, worst game ever you're all whores" Or however 12 year olds talk
That's exactly how I imagine 12 year old on the internet talk.
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On January 03 2013 03:52 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 02:28 Scrubwave wrote:On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. Ouch. Can't be THAT bad. Buying hots after what they turned WOL into and the diablo 3 fiasco? No thanks. What Diablo 3 fiasco? You mean the PC only game that sold well over 8 million copies world wide? One of the highest selling PC games in years. The 5th most searched for term in 2012 as rated by Google. The game where they banned thousands of accounts for using bots just last month. People need to stop drinking their own Cool-Aid. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviewsThis fiasco, maybe you haven't heard of it. ME3 won at least 2 GotY awards, but it also got bombed in User Ratings on Metacritic (even prior to the ending controversy). Not to say that either ME3 or D3 were perfect, only that a lot of the people who actually bother to post User Ratings on the internet already have an agenda and that people who are happy with their gaming experience often don't take the time to post a User Rating proportionally to people who are upset about it.
Honestly, the same can be said about people posting on forums. What's there to discuss if everything is awesome and you're enjoying playing the game. (Unless you're stuck at work )
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On January 03 2013 03:52 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 02:28 Scrubwave wrote:On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. Ouch. Can't be THAT bad. Buying hots after what they turned WOL into and the diablo 3 fiasco? No thanks. What Diablo 3 fiasco? You mean the PC only game that sold well over 8 million copies world wide? One of the highest selling PC games in years. The 5th most searched for term in 2012 as rated by Google. The game where they banned thousands of accounts for using bots just last month. People need to stop drinking their own Cool-Aid. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviewsThis fiasco, maybe you haven't heard of it.
I just want to point out that he didn't mention GoldenEye's score or Ocarina of Time's. 96, 99. He has that confirmation bias thing going on. He probably scoured the net looking for some bad ratings/haters and still couldn't find anything.
On January 02 2013 22:00 LgNKami wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: In WoL, Terran can 1a with any kind of early attack and expect to win the majority versus Toss. In HotS, it's nothing but Terran tears. "Dustin Browder set me up. In WoL, all I had to do was 1/1/1 or proxy rax. Now you're telling me I have to learn to macro? Not all-in every single game? Can you direct me to a tutorial on how to be skilful?"
It's pretty much the most beautiful game I've ever played. It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. If you can play WoL, a clown game in comparison that should never be taken seriously, and you don't get HotS, then you're either a Terran player that never tried to play a real game or your ideal game is bl/infestor every game. If that's you, good riddance. Since when did terran players 1a with any kind of early attack? Even all ins required stupid micro to work, ESPECIALLY the 1/1/1. I don't really see where your aggression comes from for terran players (unless you are one of those bronze guys that thinks stim is op).
Ha, don't even get me started on stim brah. Joking. 1/1/1 just strikes me as something I could start doing today and end up with GM level t vs p in about 2 weeks or something. Try making banshees or something. Whether you get cloak or not, they have to make 2 worthless observers. Toss has to defend multiple locations, so they have to have at least 2 stalkers at each location. And, since you can eventually attack with banshees and the rest of your army, together, toss can never just make a 2 stalker to 1 banshee ratio. They will lose some stalkers in that big attack to other stuff, so they have to make even more stalkers to compensate, so the left over banshees don't just 1 shot everything after the battle. So, basically toss ends up with a lot of units that no one would want to have. How much micro you really need to do against stalkers? Just 1a. Force fields bothering you? Try getting a siege tank and sniping the sentry or something.
I just have that feeling like I could really own face with that build and it wouldn't take much skill. It just feels like it takes 20 times more skill and knowledge to stop that build than to execute it. Hey, even if I were wrong, I could just proxy 2 rax every game and be GM, unless you want to tell me that only the super elite boxer like micro players can pull that off. Terran, it's a ridic race in the early game if you want to do an all-in. The mule should have some kinda worship thread or something, where all of the all-iners give their graces to the mule.
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Really stupid question, is it worth buying? ofc it is, its a fucking blizzard game, all games blizzard does is worth buying, its as simple as that. HOTS might not be super at the beginning, it will take a bunch of patches i believe.But there will always be some players that refuse to go on, afraid of new stuff and things theyre not familiar with... So stay in WoL if you want, i will not..
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On January 03 2013 03:52 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 02:28 Scrubwave wrote:On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. Ouch. Can't be THAT bad. Buying hots after what they turned WOL into and the diablo 3 fiasco? No thanks. What Diablo 3 fiasco? You mean the PC only game that sold well over 8 million copies world wide? One of the highest selling PC games in years. The 5th most searched for term in 2012 as rated by Google. The game where they banned thousands of accounts for using bots just last month. People need to stop drinking their own Cool-Aid. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviewsThis fiasco, maybe you haven't heard of it.
You just linked me to the user reviews on metacritic to prove D3 was a bad game? Metacritic, where you can make unlimited accounts are can review any game without even proving that you played it all the way through and provide such great information as “Not as good as Diablo 2: Score of 0”. The same place there amazing games like Bastion and Mark of the Ninja get 1s and 2s from idiots and are rated 8.0 by users over all.
Your evidence is overwhelming.
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Wow this thread brought out the best in this community.
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On January 03 2013 01:12 HeeroFX wrote: I buy blizzard games blindly lol
You shouldn't after WoW Expansions and D3!
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Having played about 300 or so games in the beta I think Hots is looking mighty fine. Terrans feel decidedly scary in all stages of the game, in zvp I can actually plan to make a timing attack!! instead of being all in as soon as I make one roach too much, and zvz is a bit more fast paced because I try to ling/bling the others into submission before mutas are out haha. Overall I think all the races got more options on how they want to play the game. Swarm host is a bit of a question mark tho, I think they could almost remove it (plus the locusts are ugly and look weird idling).
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I do not like how units function mechanically in sc2 compared to BW; thats what i was looking forward to the most upon WoL release. Might buy HotS simply so i can play with friends.
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On January 03 2013 02:35 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2013 23:30 Rabiator wrote:On January 02 2013 22:37 KrazyTrumpet wrote: I've very much enjoyed watching/playing the beta. It's definitely different, with some new possibilities. The UI and BNet changes are also quite welcome.
As far as the "it's still deathball vs deathball!" argument, well...it's still only been out for a couple months, and hardly any of the game's top players have really put any time into it. Unfortunately, we likely won't start seeing huge shifts in gameplay until the tournament level players are focusing full time on the game. Oh come on ... the "it's still only been out for a couple months" argument doesnt really work, because you need DRASTIC changes to add risks to using a deathball. Blizzard hasnt done that and its not going to come from strategy. Without penalty people will still go for the most effective "big army" composition. Erm, do you remember how long everyone was doing one base all ins at the start of WoL? Little metagame shifts like we've been seeing recently don't take that long to happen, but completely new strategy ideas and ways of engaging are going to take time to figure out. The tools are definitely there, albeit with some tweaking still needed. Lets apply simple logic:
One player splits up his army and the other doesnt. If the second one simply takes all his units and just goes ... will any part army of the first one be really that efficient when the army of the second one shows up? I doubt it ... unless there is a small choke and the defender has several Sentries to block it off and delay.
To actually do something about the deathball you need units which are more efficient at dealing with an army ... something like the BW Siege Tank or the Lurker ... but there isnt any unit like that in HotS. The units which *might* perform that job - the Widow Mine and the Swarm Host - have "fire rates" which are something like "once in a blue moon" and thus cant really scare away anything. So HotS doesnt "solve" the deathball through units and "tactics" is just an empty excuse, because they always require human input of skill, whereas units which "scare the opponent away" (like the BW Siege Tank or the Lurker) dont require that at all.
Oh and another thing you need to deal with the deathball is LIMITED unit selection and LOW production numbers ... and those are the last things they will change in the game.
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On January 03 2013 04:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 03:52 Scrubwave wrote:On January 03 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 02:28 Scrubwave wrote:On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. Ouch. Can't be THAT bad. Buying hots after what they turned WOL into and the diablo 3 fiasco? No thanks. What Diablo 3 fiasco? You mean the PC only game that sold well over 8 million copies world wide? One of the highest selling PC games in years. The 5th most searched for term in 2012 as rated by Google. The game where they banned thousands of accounts for using bots just last month. People need to stop drinking their own Cool-Aid. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviewsThis fiasco, maybe you haven't heard of it. You just linked me to the user reviews on metacritic to prove D3 was a bad game? Metacritic, where you can make unlimited accounts are can review any game without even proving that you played it all the way through and provide such great information as “Not as good as Diablo 2: Score of 0”. The same place there amazing games like Bastion and Mark of the Ninja get 1s and 2s from idiots and are rated 8.0 by users over all. Your evidence is overwhelming.
So what is your point? That the score for Bastion is entirely legit but D3 isn't?
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On January 03 2013 04:46 Scrubwave wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 04:21 playa wrote:On January 03 2013 03:52 Scrubwave wrote:On January 03 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 02:28 Scrubwave wrote:On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. Ouch. Can't be THAT bad. Buying hots after what they turned WOL into and the diablo 3 fiasco? No thanks. What Diablo 3 fiasco? You mean the PC only game that sold well over 8 million copies world wide? One of the highest selling PC games in years. The 5th most searched for term in 2012 as rated by Google. The game where they banned thousands of accounts for using bots just last month. People need to stop drinking their own Cool-Aid. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviewsThis fiasco, maybe you haven't heard of it. I just want to point out that he didn't mention GoldenEye's score or Ocarina of Time's. 96, 99. He has that confirmation bias thing going on. He probably scoured the net looking for some bad ratings/haters and still couldn't find anything. Why would I? I couldn't care less about those games. If you want to circlejerk over oot and ge make another thread about them.
Whether I was joking or not, if someone compares HotS to two games on anyone's top 50 games list, if not top 20, you can't say "there's no way HotS could suck that bad." You're just hating to hate. No foundation for it. You bringing up D3's rating on that site but not the other games you indirectly commented on, is simply a contradiction in my eyes. Personally, I would just like to know what makes WoL better than HotS in your eyes? Terran's mech probably does still need work, but it's not like it was good in WoL. Terran's bio is stronger now late game, which everyone cried about. What's the hang up for you?
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On January 03 2013 03:18 Psychobabas wrote: I think that if Blizzard isnt careful it could be another Diablo 3 fiasco for them.
Diablo 3 weren't a fiasco?
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On January 03 2013 04:21 MidnightZL wrote: Really stupid question, is it worth buying? ofc it is, its a fucking blizzard game, all games blizzard does is worth buying, its as simple as that. HOTS might not be super at the beginning, it will take a bunch of patches i believe.But there will always be some players that refuse to go on, afraid of new stuff and things theyre not familiar with... So stay in WoL if you want, i will not..
This might have been true but blizzard has been terrible the last few years.
HotS just feels like hardly any improvement on WoL which has become too stale I think. If you still enjoy WoL much HotS is a must upgrade obviously but for me HotS would have to revive WoL to really make it worth it. The beta really has only been a few days of fun trying new units and then it was just as boring as WoL again with the new stuff not adding anything really fun or interesting. I'm pretty sure I won't be buying it unless they really make some good changes.
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On January 03 2013 04:49 Rabiator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 02:35 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On January 02 2013 23:30 Rabiator wrote:On January 02 2013 22:37 KrazyTrumpet wrote: I've very much enjoyed watching/playing the beta. It's definitely different, with some new possibilities. The UI and BNet changes are also quite welcome.
As far as the "it's still deathball vs deathball!" argument, well...it's still only been out for a couple months, and hardly any of the game's top players have really put any time into it. Unfortunately, we likely won't start seeing huge shifts in gameplay until the tournament level players are focusing full time on the game. Oh come on ... the "it's still only been out for a couple months" argument doesnt really work, because you need DRASTIC changes to add risks to using a deathball. Blizzard hasnt done that and its not going to come from strategy. Without penalty people will still go for the most effective "big army" composition. Erm, do you remember how long everyone was doing one base all ins at the start of WoL? Little metagame shifts like we've been seeing recently don't take that long to happen, but completely new strategy ideas and ways of engaging are going to take time to figure out. The tools are definitely there, albeit with some tweaking still needed. Lets apply simple logic: One player splits up his army and the other doesnt. If the second one simply takes all his units and just goes ... will any part army of the first one be really that efficient when the army of the second one shows up? I doubt it ... unless there is a small choke and the defender has several Sentries to block it off and delay. To actually do something about the deathball you need units which are more efficient at dealing with an army ... something like the BW Siege Tank or the Lurker ... but there isnt any unit like that in HotS. The units which *might* perform that job - the Widow Mine and the Swarm Host - have "fire rates" which are something like "once in a blue moon" and thus cant really scare away anything. So HotS doesnt "solve" the deathball through units and "tactics" is just an empty excuse, because they always require human input of skill, whereas units which "scare the opponent away" (like the BW Siege Tank or the Lurker) dont require that at all. Oh and another thing you need to deal with the deathball is LIMITED unit selection and LOW production numbers ... and those are the last things they will change in the game.
Also, one can't really compare the situation between the WoL beta and the HotS beta. Back then, there were terrible maps and fundamental balancing issues that made macro-oriented play almost impossible. For example, Stim and Warpgate research time were heavily increased a couple of times since the release. Such changes along with new maps which allowed for expansion-oriented play made all of the metagame development that we've seen possible. Just assume we introduce the WoL release time balance with the old maps now, then everybody would immediately switch over to 1-base allining again.
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On January 03 2013 03:06 SuperYo1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 02:51 IntoTheWow wrote: After Diablo 3 and WoL im not blindly buying Blizzard games anymore. really? thats cool I guess but seriously what company puts out quality games anymore. Im pretty sure we are just Blizzard spoiled. "If the game isnt brilliant then its only worth my time to shit on" Seems to be the mentality of kids today. In truth, its blizzards fault, they created this community monster Or you can go play the recycled brainless COD, Madden, Halo series.
Or I can choose not to make extreme examples and go play good games by other companies, or even indie developers. :/
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On January 03 2013 04:54 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 03 2013 04:24 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 03:52 Scrubwave wrote:On January 03 2013 02:52 Plansix wrote:On January 03 2013 02:28 Scrubwave wrote:On January 02 2013 18:43 playa wrote: It ranks up there with Goldeneye and Ocarina of Time. Ouch. Can't be THAT bad. Buying hots after what they turned WOL into and the diablo 3 fiasco? No thanks. What Diablo 3 fiasco? You mean the PC only game that sold well over 8 million copies world wide? One of the highest selling PC games in years. The 5th most searched for term in 2012 as rated by Google. The game where they banned thousands of accounts for using bots just last month. People need to stop drinking their own Cool-Aid. http://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/diablo-iii/user-reviewsThis fiasco, maybe you haven't heard of it. You just linked me to the user reviews on metacritic to prove D3 was a bad game? Metacritic, where you can make unlimited accounts are can review any game without even proving that you played it all the way through and provide such great information as “Not as good as Diablo 2: Score of 0”. The same place there amazing games like Bastion and Mark of the Ninja get 1s and 2s from idiots and are rated 8.0 by users over all. Your evidence is overwhelming. So what is your point? That the score for Bastion is entirely legit but D3 isn't?
Bastion has a rating of 9.6 from critical reviews and Mark of the Ninja has a similar score, yet don’t peek above 8.0 from users. The point is the user reviews are next to worthless and the more popular the game, more likely people are going to troll the un-moderated user reviews section. It is like looking at YouTube comments to see if a video is any good.
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For me, and now, not really worth buying. I'll just keep on watching and keeping up with the community like i've been doing the past few months. What mainly discourages me is that the community has such great ideas to make the game much better and almost none get implemented. Enjoy playing your game internally Blizzard, i'll just watch it.
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