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On January 09 2010 21:13 Ahzz wrote: I wouldn't want youtube filled with D----------------------------- fail level crap players uploading every replay out there.
Yeah, because youtube isn't already filled with D------------ musicians, anime music videos, millions of rickrolls, multiple uploads of the same viral videos, or any other kind of crap, no sir-eee. Adding all those D-------- crap player videos would probably break youtube with all the new crap that it never, ever, ever had before!!!!
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United States47024 Posts
On January 05 2010 13:28 Mike941 wrote: How could anyone vote no on this? It will only help spread esports and SC2. How about "no, its infeasible"?
Anyone voting yes either has no idea how replays in SC/SC2 work, or is ignoring the huge technical overhead required in converting replays into a viewable video format.
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This is a good idea, but I doubt they would go to a 3rd party such as youtube. They could just make their own platform specifically for SC2 replays, where you could watch the replays even without having SC2 installed. One more thing to do when you're at work
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On January 10 2010 04:56 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2010 13:28 Mike941 wrote: How could anyone vote no on this? It will only help spread esports and SC2. How about "no, its infeasible"? Anyone voting yes either has no idea how replays in SC/SC2 work, or is ignoring the huge technical overhead required in converting replays into a viewable video format. There is already a video player for Starcraft replays. It's called Starcraft. There, I solved the huge technical overhead problem.
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Definitly don't work with google unless they fork up a bit of power here, otherwise before we know it we'll be paying for this stuff
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On January 10 2010 09:26 Badjas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 04:56 TheYango wrote:On January 05 2010 13:28 Mike941 wrote: How could anyone vote no on this? It will only help spread esports and SC2. How about "no, its infeasible"? Anyone voting yes either has no idea how replays in SC/SC2 work, or is ignoring the huge technical overhead required in converting replays into a viewable video format. There is already a video player for Starcraft replays. It's called Starcraft. There, I solved the huge technical overhead problem.
Yeah. Anyone ever played Spore? The game has an auto upload to youtube option where you can take a video of your critters in demo mode, in-game. The most difficult thing about this for SC would be forcing the player to control the camera for the whole length of the game. Otherwise you'd have to deal with the game's autocamera... which, if it is anything like War3's would be pretty much awful.
That said, I'm not really sure that it's worth the effort. Unlike Spore VODs which are another way of sharing your creations and one of the best ways to show them in action, Starcraft 2 already has replays with rewind. Blizzard could just allow replay hosting and so reinforce the replay functionality without losing *that* much. It's not like not having auto-youtube upload makes it impossible to upload SC2 videos. Still, there is possibly some untapped potential in making it so easy that everyone can do it.
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United States47024 Posts
On January 10 2010 09:26 Badjas wrote: There is already a video player for Starcraft replays. It's called Starcraft. There, I solved the huge technical overhead problem. That's the point. While automated VOD-making might be reasonable, the OP's idea of observer-like streaming is just silly, because you need to stream the entire map's worth of action. If you're going to do that, you basically need the Starcraft 2 engine to do it.
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On January 10 2010 13:54 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 09:26 Badjas wrote: There is already a video player for Starcraft replays. It's called Starcraft. There, I solved the huge technical overhead problem. That's the point. While automated VOD-making might be reasonable, the OP's idea of observer-like streaming is just silly, because you need to stream the entire map's worth of action. If you're going to do that, you basically need the Starcraft 2 engine to do it.
He's right you know. I've been saying it before as well, if you want to watch a replay you need the game engine to do it. Replays aren't video files. It is technically possible for Blizzard to make a website like you want, but it is completely infeasible. They have no motivation to do it either. It will be an expensive project for little gain, unless they charge a fee. Which everyone would bitch about anyway. The best you could hope for is a separate replay viewing program from the game - at this point just fire the damn game up. When did having to use the game to watch replays of that game become so bad. The thing Blizzard does need to do though is make replays online again. The warcraft 3 single player only replay viewing was pretty bogus.
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On January 10 2010 13:54 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2010 09:26 Badjas wrote: There is already a video player for Starcraft replays. It's called Starcraft. There, I solved the huge technical overhead problem. That's the point. While automated VOD-making might be reasonable, the OP's idea of observer-like streaming is just silly, because you need to stream the entire map's worth of action. If you're going to do that, you basically need the Starcraft 2 engine to do it. That is what I am saying. There is nothing wrong with a browser plug-in for this to rely on an existing starcraft 2 installation. No, not everyone could access that content on the internet then, big deal. I am not saying either that this is something critical for the game, but it would be very convenient to not have to go through the hoops to see a replay within the game's UI.
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United States47024 Posts
On January 10 2010 19:41 Badjas wrote: That is what I am saying. There is nothing wrong with a browser plug-in for this to rely on an existing starcraft 2 installation. No, not everyone could access that content on the internet then, big deal. I am not saying either that this is something critical for the game, but it would be very convenient to not have to go through the hoops to see a replay within the game's UI. So, wait, you want the entire SC2 engine to be rendered *in a browser window*?
You realize that you could accomplish the same thing (except it takes the browser out of the equation) by: 1) associate replays with SC2, so that opening a replay file starts playing it in the SC2 engine and 2) windowed mode
Both of which are likely already in the game. Same functionality, no extra coding work by Blizzard.
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I know, that's why on a previous page I summed up the advantages.
Suppose those youtube clips wouldn't render in the context of a webpage, but would rather only load up in a new application that will steal the focus or even show fullscreen. It would just be bad. Now granted, starcraft doesn't need it, what I am saying is that it would be very nice to have in terms of usability.
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Bill307
Canada9103 Posts
I voted No.
Obviously it's completely infeasible, but besides that, I prefer the current solution where people can record their replay into a video using Fraps or a similar program, compress it, and upload it to Youtube themselves.
Having to record and upload replays manually acts as a method of quality control. If you're going to upload a replay to Youtube, then the replay has to be good enough to justify going through all that trouble.
Not to mention the fact that you would definitely want a human observer to move the screen in the replay as it is recorded into a video. If you automate it, the automation will inevitably miss things that a skilled human will not.
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Yes, I wish replays could magically turn into home movies without using the SC2 engine and that they would be streamed directly to my brain. I also want a dark templar for a best friend (he's invisible, that's why no one can see him) and will one day give birth to a beautiful baby zergling boy.
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Zurich15234 Posts
On January 12 2010 00:52 tedster wrote: Yes, I wish replays could magically turn into home movies without using the SC2 engine and that they would be streamed directly to my brain. I also want a dark templar for a best friend (he's invisible, that's why no one can see him) and will one day give birth to a beautiful baby zergling boy. This pretty much sums up the thread. It's completely pointless to discuss something that is impossible and never going to happen.
I know SC2 news are pretty slow at the moment, but can't we just not talk about SC2 for a while instead of 'discussing' the most ridiculous ideas you can come up with? There is TSL going on after all.
I want a dark templar for my best friend too.
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