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scsz is currently the highest rated player in the US with a rating of 2432. I've been tracking him for a little over a week, wondering when they'll put him in the platinum league.
A quick look at his last 5 games reveals he's beaten top level platinums lately such as TeamEG (rank 1 platinum division 7), iamkhufu (rank 6 platinum division 4), tatazusfk (rank 4 platinum division 11), and Xiphius (rank 3 division 11).
Anyone have any scsz reps?
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did u mention the rematch of me vs. sczc where he lost and didnt gg? ye.. didnt think so ^^
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How are the points awarded? If he's still unfavored do to his position in silver and getting 20-30 points per game, well, that's retarded.
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On March 14 2010 15:32 Lz wrote: did u mention the rematch of me vs. sczc where he lost and didnt gg? ye.. didnt think so ^^
Could you share one of those reps? I just want to see how he plays.
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also if hes advancing in leagues he will lose alot of hes points when hes promoting ... its like blizzard making adjusments .. so this high score in silver wont be equal with 1800 in gold or so ... so wait till he gets to platinum to he hes score and stop be enthusiastic about silver divisions guys!!!! kk thx
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Are ratings equivalent across plat/gold/silver/etc? Is 2400 in silver equivalent to 2400 in gold/plat? I kinda doubt it
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Hey, don't dis silver division...some of us just had bad placement matches.
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The ELO rating is effected by league. When someone goes up a league their rating goes down meaning that 2400 silver does not equal 2400 platinum. While this doesn't mean this guy isn't good, I think its wrong to call him the highest rated player.
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On March 14 2010 15:34 agorist wrote: How are the points awarded? If he's still unfavored do to his position in silver and getting 20-30 points per game, well, that's retarded.
He'll actually be favored vs gold/platinum guys. Same thing happened to me except I was in bronze, and I was favored vs some gold/plats, so no, he won't be getting 20-30 points per game
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On March 14 2010 15:35 nc[retaliator] wrote: also if hes advancing in leagues he will lose alot of hes points when hes promoting ... its like blizzard making adjusments .. so this high score in silver wont be equal with 1800 in gold or so ... so wait till he gets to platinum to he hes score and stop be enthusiastic about silver divisions guys!!!! kk thx
except he's already beating top platinum guys ?
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no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues.
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Ya. This guy has some really interesting strats that I don't see in Plat League. I'm 1-2 to him atm.
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On March 14 2010 15:37 Integra wrote: no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues.
seriously, do you guys read the whole OP before you post ? come on...
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On March 14 2010 15:37 Integra wrote: no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues.
Your division doesn't totally determine the division of the players you play.
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strange, i feel like beating people like that he would have been placed in gold or plat from the beginning. i assume this account is being shared by 2 or more people which is throwing off the accounts player statistics.
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The rough impression I've gotten from playing is that each league up is a 200-250 point difference. So he's roughly as skilled as a platinum ranked 1932-2032. Not the highest rated, but certainly among the top players. Very odd that he's still in silver.
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On March 14 2010 15:39 huameng wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:37 Integra wrote: no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues. Your division doesn't totally determine the division of the players you play. doesn't matter, my argument is still valid.
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United States4991 Posts
Talk about misleading titles :/
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I've played him twice (I'm middling platinum right now, don't have a ton of ladder games played). Both TvT, I won the first and lost the second. I think he's chinese - occasionally my name elicits a ni hao and such, heh.
First game he went 2rax and immediately expanded when I held it with a bunker. I then rolled him over with marine/tank.
Second game was on blistering sands and he siege rushed, broke down the rocks near my base before I put a supply there to scout it, and got in right before my siege finished and won.
Neither was a particularly good game, honestly, so I can't really judge.
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Did someone change the title of the thread? I could swear the OP claimed that he was the Best sc2 player currently on the ladder?
EIDT. yea, a admin ninja changed the title of the thread.
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On March 14 2010 15:40 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:39 huameng wrote:On March 14 2010 15:37 Integra wrote: no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues. Your division doesn't totally determine the division of the players you play. doesn't matter, my argument is still valid.
No, it's not. If he's already splitting series with people at the top of their plat division, how is he going to get bashed? Will they put him vs smuft or cowgomoo every game? He's already holding his own in the higher league.
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Don't worry guys, Blizzard will put up a F.A.Q about the ladder system soon, you will understand then.
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On March 14 2010 15:41 QibingZero wrote: I've played him twice (I'm middling platinum right now, don't have a ton of ladder games played). Both TvT, I won the first and lost the second. I think he's chinese - occasionally my name elicits a ni hao and such, heh.
First game he went 2rax and immediately expanded when I held it with a bunker. I then rolled him over with marine/tank.
Second game was on blistering sands and he siege rushed, broke down the rocks near my base before I put a supply there to scout it, and got in right before my siege finished and won.
Neither was a particularly good game, honestly, so I can't really judge. He isn't Chinese, he's American, but he took a Chinese course in college so he thinks he can speak chinese.
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On March 14 2010 15:40 AnEsotericMan wrote: The rough impression I've gotten from playing is that each league up is a 200-250 point difference. So he's roughly as skilled as a platinum ranked 1932-2032. Not the highest rated, but certainly among the top players. Very odd that he's still in silver.
Yea that sounds about right. He's probably getting favored against platinums under 1900. I just noticed he only got 4 points for a win against Quick, a rank 7 platinum division 16 rated 1614.
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On March 14 2010 15:55 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:40 AnEsotericMan wrote: The rough impression I've gotten from playing is that each league up is a 200-250 point difference. So he's roughly as skilled as a platinum ranked 1932-2032. Not the highest rated, but certainly among the top players. Very odd that he's still in silver. Yea that sounds about right. He's probably getting favored against platinums under 1900. I just noticed he only got 4 points for a win against Quick, a rank 7 platinum division 16 rated 1614.
This ladder is so messed up. The placement matches are weighed to heavily, in fact I don't even know why they exist, it would be much better if everyone just started at the bottom and worked their way up. I've seen people in platinum with under 100 games ffs.
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On March 14 2010 15:39 CheeC[h] wrote: strange, i feel like beating people like that he would have been placed in gold or plat from the beginning. i assume this account is being shared by 2 or more people which is throwing off the accounts player statistics.
i really think multiple people playing the account is the only logical conclusion. there may be a lot of mysteries surrounding how the league/ladder/amm work, but this is beyond all of that.
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On March 14 2010 15:49 Integra wrote: Don't worry guys, Blizzard will put up a F.A.Q about the ladder system soon, you will understand then.
Whats there to understand besides the fact that he does well against high ranked platinum players?
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Also, the title name wasn't innacurate. he may be in silver, but im pretty sure 2400 is still the highest rating, among all leagues.
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Im sort of in the same scenario, while my rating isnt quite as high as his, its been climbing and Im curious as to why I am still in copper when most of my games are against silver/gold/plat who are considered equal or slightly favored. I can only imagine its my bad win/loss ratio. Not sure if this sheds any extra light on the ranking system but figured I would pool the resources.
I know many people have suggested that unspent minerals/apm might have something to do with it. To be honest it makes sense for me since my APM is probably horrific and I often times leave extra minerals piling up.
Also Ive been rank 1 slot since the beginning of beta
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On March 14 2010 15:55 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:40 AnEsotericMan wrote: The rough impression I've gotten from playing is that each league up is a 200-250 point difference. So he's roughly as skilled as a platinum ranked 1932-2032. Not the highest rated, but certainly among the top players. Very odd that he's still in silver. Yea that sounds about right. He's probably getting favored against platinums under 1900. I just noticed he only got 4 points for a win against Quick, a rank 7 platinum division 16 rated 1614. the numbers vary massively by division. a 1200 in some divisions would be favored vs a 1600 from others.
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I think its like wc3 in that, you can be visually a silver player, or visually a platinum player, however your 'real skill' elo (which isnt displayed) matches you up against appropriate players, and only certain things allow people to move up and down in divisions.
What i mean is, this guy probably is a platinum level player, and is playing mostly other platinum level players right now, and his 'real skill' would be equal to somewhere in platinum or high gold, however until another beta wave comes out and theres more players to add into the ranks (more divisions open up), he wont get moved.
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On March 14 2010 16:08 Disarray wrote: Also, the title name wasn't innacurate. he may be in silver, but im pretty sure 2400 is still the highest rating, among all leagues. It may have been technically accurate, but it was highly misleading, which is why I slightly changd it
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Well one of the posts over at SCL (Take this with a grain of salt), where a guy has a friend who works at Blizzard on SC II, said that the placement takes into account APM, Unspent/Spent, and other game statistics in conjunction with win/loss. Yeah, like I said, a grain of salt. So, who knows.....
To the guy who said Blizzard and FAQ about Ladders. Funny. Funny man.
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On March 14 2010 16:31 Rothbardian wrote: Well one of the posts over at SCL (Take this with a grain of salt), where a guy has a friend who works at Blizzard on SC II, said that the placement takes into account APM, Unspent/Spent, and other game statistics in conjunction with win/loss. Yeah, like I said, a grain of salt. So, who knows.....
To the guy who said Blizzard and FAQ about Ladders. Funny. Funny man.
Using apm doesn't make much sense to me, but taking the final score into account does sound plausible.
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On March 14 2010 16:23 Ftrunkz wrote: I think its like wc3 in that, you can be visually a silver player, or visually a platinum player, however your 'real skill' elo (which isnt displayed) matches you up against appropriate players, and only certain things allow people to move up and down in divisions.
What i mean is, this guy probably is a platinum level player, and is playing mostly other platinum level players right now, and his 'real skill' would be equal to somewhere in platinum or high gold, however until another beta wave comes out and theres more players to add into the ranks (more divisions open up), he wont get moved.
The problem with this is that there have been more plat divisions made very recently, as I was just put into a new plat division, so this can't be the case.
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On March 14 2010 16:33 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:31 Rothbardian wrote: Well one of the posts over at SCL (Take this with a grain of salt), where a guy has a friend who works at Blizzard on SC II, said that the placement takes into account APM, Unspent/Spent, and other game statistics in conjunction with win/loss. Yeah, like I said, a grain of salt. So, who knows.....
To the guy who said Blizzard and FAQ about Ladders. Funny. Funny man.
Using apm doesn't make much sense to me, but taking the final score into account does sound plausible.
And iirc, this guy is over 100 (displayed) APM, and in silver. There are many platinum players who aren't hitting that.
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On March 14 2010 16:43 QibingZero wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:33 Dionyseus wrote:On March 14 2010 16:31 Rothbardian wrote: Well one of the posts over at SCL (Take this with a grain of salt), where a guy has a friend who works at Blizzard on SC II, said that the placement takes into account APM, Unspent/Spent, and other game statistics in conjunction with win/loss. Yeah, like I said, a grain of salt. So, who knows.....
To the guy who said Blizzard and FAQ about Ladders. Funny. Funny man.
Using apm doesn't make much sense to me, but taking the final score into account does sound plausible. And iirc, this guy is over 100 (displayed) APM, and in silver. There are many platinum players who aren't hitting that.
This is true. My APM hovers around 100-120, and many other Plat's I play are in the 60-90 range. ;/
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There was a thread talking about rankings. It was thought that it will reassign you after 40 or so matches. To get bumped after that you have to wait until blizz periodically redoes everyone. I was like 1800 in silver before I bumped to plat. The ranking system is overcomplicated and just a bunch of nonsense that serves no point.
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There I am in second place in the silver league... I'm coming for you sczc lol. Only 766 points away... Using the name scrapper because my friend gave me the account but already named it
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lol!! this is funny i lost to this guy recently (im ~1650 in plat div 5) and lost hardly any points i asked myself, why did i lose so few points and why have i not seen nor played this guy before? (seeing as how there is a fairly small pool of players ranked much higher than me where im the full underdog) i quickly ran through the a couple platinum divisions of my friend's list and couldnt find him and i figured he was in some newer plat division funny i ran into this thread edit: i think these type of freak cases are going to happen more frequently as more beta waves are released seeing as how playing your first 10 games (even if you have exceptional micro/macro/rts IQ) you will lose to any plat/gold player that has ~100+ games so you will get placed in a lower league
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Lol I feel bad for the guy. They should promote him asap!
I remember I randomly got promoted from gold to platinum after losing a game around ~6th ranked in a gold div. Their methods... are mysterious to say the least.
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On March 14 2010 16:45 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:43 QibingZero wrote:On March 14 2010 16:33 Dionyseus wrote:On March 14 2010 16:31 Rothbardian wrote: Well one of the posts over at SCL (Take this with a grain of salt), where a guy has a friend who works at Blizzard on SC II, said that the placement takes into account APM, Unspent/Spent, and other game statistics in conjunction with win/loss. Yeah, like I said, a grain of salt. So, who knows.....
To the guy who said Blizzard and FAQ about Ladders. Funny. Funny man.
Using apm doesn't make much sense to me, but taking the final score into account does sound plausible. And iirc, this guy is over 100 (displayed) APM, and in silver. There are many platinum players who aren't hitting that. This is true. My APM hovers around 100-120, and many other Plat's I play are in the 60-90 range. ;/
if you play a 12 minute game and your average APM is 120 then you are absolutely wasting those actions.
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Once again before all cry: leagues overlap. The league difference just translates into a rating offset. Imho it is 225 per league, and 450 between copper and bronze. That means his 2432 silver equal 1982 platinum. Sure I have no proof for this, but the data reported speaks for itself.
This means people finally need to get over the idea of "platinum > all". We do neither know how the reranking is working, nor whether it is the same concept as in the final version. There might be skill gaps in leagues with outstanding players frequently and it might take some weeks or months until they are placed higher. Why not? The system translates between leagues fluently and there is no need for a hard distinction.
And I think the comments from people saying 1200 got favored against 1600 in the same league just mixed the stats up when they checked it and checked for 2v2 or something, as those reports are pretty rare. :D
I have been checking my opponents in the past days and it always confirmed the theory so far.
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On March 14 2010 19:03 danl9rm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:45 Rothbardian wrote:On March 14 2010 16:43 QibingZero wrote:On March 14 2010 16:33 Dionyseus wrote:On March 14 2010 16:31 Rothbardian wrote: Well one of the posts over at SCL (Take this with a grain of salt), where a guy has a friend who works at Blizzard on SC II, said that the placement takes into account APM, Unspent/Spent, and other game statistics in conjunction with win/loss. Yeah, like I said, a grain of salt. So, who knows.....
To the guy who said Blizzard and FAQ about Ladders. Funny. Funny man.
Using apm doesn't make much sense to me, but taking the final score into account does sound plausible. And iirc, this guy is over 100 (displayed) APM, and in silver. There are many platinum players who aren't hitting that. This is true. My APM hovers around 100-120, and many other Plat's I play are in the 60-90 range. ;/ if you play a 12 minute game and your average APM is 120 then you are absolutely wasting those actions.
... Wow... Seriously..? -_-;;
Also taking into account unspent/spent is retarded. half the games ive seen on streams have been one person losing, typing gg, then the players having a conversation about the game and stuff (or just general bm). Both players would end the game with 2k unspent... Does this make either of them worse players ^_~
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If he weren't from the US, I'd call you a liar.
Everyone knows Stork is the highest rated silver player.
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Ok I'm Scrapper (number 2 in the pic) and I just got put into platinum league after hitting about 1800 points.. so I don't know what's wrong with sczc
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On March 14 2010 15:40 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:39 huameng wrote:On March 14 2010 15:37 Integra wrote: no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues. Your division doesn't totally determine the division of the players you play. doesn't matter, my argument is still valid.
It's obviously not, and you should really read the OP, before posting in a thread.
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On March 14 2010 15:49 Integra wrote: Don't worry guys, Blizzard will put up a F.A.Q about the ladder system soon, you will understand then.
Lol, look at you, belittling others after having been called out for a statement that is clearly wrong.
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On March 14 2010 19:19 Artrey wrote: Once again before all cry: leagues overlap. The league difference just translates into a rating offset. Imho it is 225 per league, and 450 between copper and bronze. That means his 2432 silver equal 1982 platinum. Sure I have no proof for this, but the data reported speaks for itself.
This means people finally need to get over the idea of "platinum > all". We do neither know how the reranking is working, nor whether it is the same concept as in the final version. There might be skill gaps in leagues with outstanding players frequently and it might take some weeks or months until they are placed higher. Why not? The system translates between leagues fluently and there is no need for a hard distinction.
And I think the comments from people saying 1200 got favored against 1600 in the same league just mixed the stats up when they checked it and checked for 2v2 or something, as those reports are pretty rare. :D
I have been checking my opponents in the past days and it always confirmed the theory so far.
so why did i lost 500 point when i got promoted to platinum? (was gold before)
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Because it is a theory and not final. Maybe the offset between gold and platinum is 450 too. ;-) Or maybe every promotion takes 450 from you, no matter the gap you pass.
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On March 14 2010 21:55 Artrey wrote: Because it is a theory and not final. Maybe the offset between gold and platinum is 450 too. ;-) Or maybe every promotion takes 450 from you, no matter the gap you pass.
Or maybe point evaluations are dynamic and not static....
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On March 14 2010 21:56 Rothbardian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 21:55 Artrey wrote: Because it is a theory and not final. Maybe the offset between gold and platinum is 450 too. ;-) Or maybe every promotion takes 450 from you, no matter the gap you pass.
Or maybe point evaluations are dynamic and not static....
To many people reporting a change of exactly 450 for that imho.
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On March 14 2010 21:59 Artrey wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 21:56 Rothbardian wrote:On March 14 2010 21:55 Artrey wrote: Because it is a theory and not final. Maybe the offset between gold and platinum is 450 too. ;-) Or maybe every promotion takes 450 from you, no matter the gap you pass.
Or maybe point evaluations are dynamic and not static.... To many people reporting a change of exactly 450 for that imho.
If this was the case it would be uniform, however it isn't. If only one deviation from your theory occurs, then your theory is wrong. Therefore, point evaluations are most likely dynamic and not static, and we have no clue as to how Blizzard is going about these evals upon changing Leagues. I'm sure the PhD Statistician they hired, did something a little more complex than this....
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On March 14 2010 15:37 Integra wrote: no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues.
Even though he (from that screen shot) maintains a 63% win ratio.....nice job.
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On March 14 2010 15:37 Integra wrote: no, ratings between leagues are not the same, considering his win/loss ratio he will get bashed pretty fast once he reaches gold/platinum, if he barely maintains a 50 win ratio in silver he wont really stand a chance in the higher leagues.
Um, I was 2300 1-2 weeks ago in bronze league and finally moved up, and I (we) still have the exact same win ratio and play the exact same players oversky, idra, etc. that we played the first week. Leagues have almost no impact on anything, they are pointless and useless. Yes his rating is going to change when he his plat, but unless he's bad and somehow actually plays silver players, he's not going to do any worse once he moves up.
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i lost about 400-450 from silver to gold.
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On March 14 2010 19:56 Vasoline73 wrote: Ok I'm Scrapper (number 2 in the pic) and I just got put into platinum league after hitting about 1800 points.. so I don't know what's wrong with sczc
Grats, what division did they put you in?
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It seems like when you are doing well enough in a league an 'advance' button should appear. So if you want to go up a league you can.
I just played around with the new units in my placement matches and got put in copper. Like 3 hours later it moved me to bronze. Now I just bounce between #3 and #1 in bronze with a 55-60% win record. I only lose games when I am being up matched to people not in bronze. I just feel like I am unable to advance, and it's kinda stupid.
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so what, hes not even in gold division and winning a single game against platinum division gives him like 30-40 points.
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I share my roomates account and we are top in our silver league and it constantly puts us against silver/platinum. We have beaten almost all the golds and most of the plats but it never wants to move us up to gold or plat. So so weird.
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On March 15 2010 01:51 member1987 wrote: so what, hes not even in gold division and winning a single game against platinum division gives him like 30-40 points.
Doesn't work that way, silver and gold players can be favored against platinums. Each division up is like 200-250 points differential, so a 2400 silver player is like a 2150 gold and 1950 platinum.
He beat a rank 7 platinum that was rated in the 1600s last night and he only got 4 points for it.
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From where do u know so much about him? O_o
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He's 2463 now, he just got 12 points from beating ThisIsJimmy so the system probably considered them to be even, unless he got bonus or rested points. Before that game ThisIsJimmy was 1891 rank 5 platinum division 5.
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And he's 2450 now after a loss to Attero who was 1937 platinum rank 1 division 15, so the system considered scsz to be slightly favored. It's looking like 2400 silver is worth around 1900 platinum + or - depending on map and race matchup factors.
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On March 15 2010 01:51 member1987 wrote: so what, hes not even in gold division and winning a single game against platinum division gives him like 30-40 points.
READ. So many idiots not reading the thread at all and just clicking "spam post".
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So is the end of season tournament that includes the top 8 or each division, does that face you only vs other people in your league's top 8 per division? Or is it top 8 of every division vs all other leagues' divisions?
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SCSZ is proof this ladder system is terrible.
I hope this "no moving up in leagues" policy is only for beta.
Imagine if you are high ranked in your league and someone asks you what league you are in;
"I'm in Silver, but you know, I'm actually platinum skill level, it's just the ladder system won't move me up"
"LOL silver noob I'm not listening to you"
The league you are in should represent your skill level, like in Iccup. If someone says they are silver, that should MEAN something.
At the moment in order to get a good gauge of someones skill level, you need their rank and ELO rating. Then calculate the differential blah blah blah. It's so pointless. Platinum should mean you are better then gold.
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I actually had 1800 in silver I dropped to 1000 in plat when they moved me.. Honestly these leagues are dumb
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I actually had 1800 in silver I dropped to 1000 in plat when they moved me.. Honestly these leagues are dumb
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You have to keep in mind that when sc2 is released battle.net will have a lot more people and thus run a lot smoother. You also have to remember they haven't implemented a lot of the things into the system like the top 8 tournaments which will no doubt have some benefit for being rank 1 that makes up for being silver.
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On March 14 2010 15:39 CheeC[h] wrote: strange, i feel like beating people like that he would have been placed in gold or plat from the beginning. i assume this account is being shared by 2 or more people which is throwing off the accounts player statistics. you dont need to do anything out of the ordinary to throw off the league/ranking statistics. blizzard's system does it just fine on its own. This is how:
On March 15 2010 15:03 bodysnatcher21 wrote: At the moment in order to get a good gauge of someones skill level, you need their rank and ELO rating. Then calculate the differential blah blah blah. It's so pointless. Platinum should mean you are better then gold.
completely agree. If blizzard ends up keeping this system, when you ask someone what their rank or elo is they will say "well I'm 2100 silver, 1900 gold, or 1600 platinum. The easiest way to fix this problem is have static leagues with ELO requirements. Everyone with like say 2000+ ELO will be plat, everyone with like 1500+ can be gold, etc.
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I have no idea how this league system works.
I'm ranked 11th in Bronze Division 45. All my opponents I face are either mid-range Gold or top 10 Silver, and in some cases, Platinum.
I have a rating of 1450ish and a score of 34-34, and played a guy who's 1550'sh and is ranked 5th in my division with a score of 96-88. He was AWFUL. Like, what I'd imagine an AI set on Medium or Hard would be....
I really don't get how this works. He has a better rating than me, and a higher rank, because everyone he faces (and beats), is bad like he is? Where as my rating and rank are lower because everyone I have to face is in Gold/Silver?
Why am I not in a Gold league, or at least a silver league, if everyone I'm facing is? Why are players who are far worse than me able to have better ranks in my division? AAARRRRGGGHHH.
But if the Colour of your league is meaningless, then it's still bullshit that a lower-skilled player gets a higher rank and rating because he's able to beat his lower skill opponents.
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On March 15 2010 17:35 FREEloss_ca wrote: I have no idea how this league system works.
I'm ranked 11th in Bronze Division 45. All my opponents I face are either mid-range Gold or top 10 Silver, and in some cases, Platinum.
I have a rating of 1450ish and a score of 34-34, and played a guy who's 1550'sh and is ranked 5th in my division with a score of 96-88. He was AWFUL. Like, what I'd imagine an AI set on Medium or Hard would be....
I really don't get how this works. He has a better rating than me, and a higher rank, because everyone he faces (and beats), is bad like he is? Where as my rating and rank are lower because everyone I have to face is in Gold/Silver?
Why am I not in a Gold league, or at least a silver league, if everyone I'm facing is? Why are players who are far worse than me able to have better ranks in my division? AAARRRRGGGHHH.
But if the Colour of your league is meaningless, then it's still bullshit that a lower-skilled player gets a higher rank and rating because he's able to beat his lower skill opponents.
The problem is this is still just the beta. Having a sample pool of only 2000 players probably doesnt allow the ladder system to run properly. When there are 50,000+ players competing I imagine your results wont happen anymore.
It's just wayyyy to early to guage the ladder system, and decide if its trash or not. A few months after retail launch should provide the final thoughts on this new system of matchmaking.
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The beta is a beta for the ladder too. I'm sure they are finding bugs with the divisons/leagues and fixing them, though they may not make it public. If you have complaints you should send Blizzard feedback
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I just can't even imagine how this system got approved in the first place. It's like 80 meaningless divisions where you can play anyone but you're grouped into these meaningless leagues. I understand what they're trying to do (8-man groups for the final tournament) but they should have simply had ONE platinum division, taken the top X players (by whichever criterium they wanted), and seeded them eight-man groups.
There's just so many things wrong with BNet 2 like this. I cannot fathom someone sitting at his desk getting pitched this idea and said "yes, this is a good idea - we should do this." Same with the friends / messaging system. It's so bulky. How did they think this was good?
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IMO the idea was to make people feel better about their starcraft performance. With this current system more players can be top 10, make it into a tournament, win a tournament, etc. It will make a lot of casual players feel emotionally better about the game and won't hurt serious gamers (who will all be in plat or pro) down the road. Obviously there are some bugs and anomalies now but I think it works overall to draw in casuals.
My biggest problem with it is that once the system is made more transparent players will likely try to intentionally dump games to stay at the top of a lower league rather than be moved up to the bottom of a tougher league, so that they can still play in and win tournaments. The risk of this type of abuse will make Blizzard likely to not release almost any additional information about the ladder, though the system will be reverse engineered eventually.
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On March 16 2010 01:16 yomi wrote: IMO the idea was to make people feel better about their starcraft performance. With this current system more players can be top 10, make it into a tournament, win a tournament, etc. It will make a lot of casual players feel emotionally better about the game and won't hurt serious gamers (who will all be in plat or pro) down the road. Obviously there are some bugs and anomalies now but I think it works overall to draw in casuals.
My biggest problem with it is that once the system is made more transparent players will likely try to intentionally dump games to stay at the top of a lower league rather than be moved up to the bottom of a tougher league, so that they can still play in and win tournaments. The risk of this type of abuse will make Blizzard likely to not release almost any additional information about the ladder, though the system will be reverse engineered eventually.
Pretty much everything stated in this post it's a reward system that in the end doesn't affect serious game play at all it feels good to be top 20 in your division even if it's only out of 100 random people, also don't cry about a ranking system being broken so soon it's only been out for a few weeks =x.
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I think the system is fine, but there should be an option to see the real rankings too.
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On March 16 2010 01:06 Chill wrote: I just can't even imagine how this system got approved in the first place. It's like 80 meaningless divisions where you can play anyone but you're grouped into these meaningless leagues. I understand what they're trying to do (8-man groups for the final tournament) but they should have simply had ONE platinum division, taken the top X players (by whichever criterium they wanted), and seeded them eight-man groups.
There's just so many things wrong with BNet 2 like this. I cannot fathom someone sitting at his desk getting pitched this idea and said "yes, this is a good idea - we should do this." Same with the friends / messaging system. It's so bulky. How did they think this was good? it is terrible but part of the reason the ladder in particular seems so bad is that they dont have the pro league up yet, once thats implemented it will make alot more sense with respect to competitive gaming (assuming its not stupid hard to earn your way into the pro league like it apparently is to move up divisions now) since you'll actually have a single, readable ranking amongst the competitive players. boggles the mind that right now they have a competitive system in which you cannot tell whos actually winning.
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Using rating to determine someones skill is pretty bad. I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't moved up though. My friend did all the placement games for one of the ID we share and he got it placed in gold going 8-2. After playing for 1 day and stomping noobs it put me into a platinum division. His ratio is 1.7/1 which might be part of it.
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who is scsz? anyone got his aka? maybe from sc1/wc3 ?
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On March 16 2010 01:16 yomi wrote: Pretty much everything stated in this post it's a reward system that in the end doesn't affect serious game play at all it feels good to be top 20 in your division even if it's only out of 100 random people, also don't cry about a ranking system being broken so soon it's only been out for a few weeks =x. Theoretically it actually could affect serious game play as one division could have more competitive players then another and so it would be harder for people to get in the top 8. For example imagine 2 divisions, 1 has 16 competitive players and the other has 0. in the tournament, there would then be 8 competitive players as opposed to 16, which there would have been had they all been in the same single division.
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On March 16 2010 02:05 Disastorm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 01:16 yomi wrote: Pretty much everything stated in this post it's a reward system that in the end doesn't affect serious game play at all it feels good to be top 20 in your division even if it's only out of 100 random people, also don't cry about a ranking system being broken so soon it's only been out for a few weeks =x. Theoretically it actually could affect serious game play as one division could have more competitive players then another and so it would be harder for people to get in the top 8. For example imagine 2 divisions, 1 has 16 competitive players and the other has 0. in the tournament, there would then be 8 competitive players as opposed to 16, which there would have been had they all been in the same single division.
system balaces iteself out by moving players from plat to plat leagues
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lol seems like some huge newbie is playing on his account, played him twice today and it was beyond ridiculous, it was like he was afk, I even asked "are you afk??" and he said "no, I'm beginner"
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On March 16 2010 01:28 starcraft911 wrote: Using rating to determine someones skill is pretty bad. I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't moved up though. My friend did all the placement games for one of the ID we share and he got it placed in gold going 8-2. After playing for 1 day and stomping noobs it put me into a platinum division. His ratio is 1.7/1 which might be part of it.
If Blizzard actually used a strictly ELO system rating would be perfectly fine. Chess has shown what an outstanding ranking system ELO can be. I like the KISS method, but apparently Blizzard doesn't take too kindly to Occam's Razor :p
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a silver player beats #1 rated platinum player on beta best ranking system ever
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this shows us how T_T the b.net ladder system really is. /cry but ELO is like nothing
User was warned for this awfully worded post
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definitely a shared account, he has some ridiculously bad games and some ridiculously good ones.
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Anyone willing to post a rep of scsz, I don't care if it's a bad one. Maybe looking at his hotkeys someone could figure out who he is. btw the guy is now 2532.
nvm it turns out that scsz is a user here (Ghoflz) and he posted a replay of his vs Lite earlier today. Here's his post:
On March 16 2010 13:34 Ghoflz wrote:lite vs sczc TVT Lost Temple Platinum 1 vs Silver 1 Pretty tense back and forth game. Lite goes for m&m&m tank vs thor tank and bc. http://www.mediafire.com/?nwidkwbjyzj
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On March 16 2010 16:54 Blankets wrote: definitely a shared account, he has some ridiculously bad games and some ridiculously good ones.
the most intelligent post on this thread.
period.
stop bashing on the rating system. Yes it's far away from perfect, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away. But when something is that off like a silver player beating nr 1 ranked platinum player other explanations than "the matchmaking system is sooo broken" are probably more likely.
He shares account is much more likely than the system being THAT broken.
But yea, he shouldnt just stay in silver league forever when his account is beating plat players.
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guy gets sc2 beta account. plays 10 games, gets placed in silver, gold, or bronze. played 20 more games, remains in silver or is promoted/demoted from copper/bronze. decides he's bored with the game and/or doesn't like it. gives account to friend who is some gosu RTS player. friend proceeds to results shown in this thread.
friend isn't promoted to gold or platinum because there are no more automatic re-rankings beyond 30 games played.
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As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing.
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On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote: As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing. Seems to be a big problem to me. I thought the whole point of the leagues was that there's incentive to improve because you keep reaching new leagues and stuff. Where's the incentive if you get stuck in your current league?
Also all platinum should be > all gold, and all platinum should be directly comparable to all other platinum, etc.
Right now it's a clusterfuck and no one really has any idea except like #1 platinum is probably better than #1 gold and #1 gold is probably better than #40 platinum etc....
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On March 14 2010 16:02 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 15:55 Dionyseus wrote:On March 14 2010 15:40 AnEsotericMan wrote: The rough impression I've gotten from playing is that each league up is a 200-250 point difference. So he's roughly as skilled as a platinum ranked 1932-2032. Not the highest rated, but certainly among the top players. Very odd that he's still in silver. Yea that sounds about right. He's probably getting favored against platinums under 1900. I just noticed he only got 4 points for a win against Quick, a rank 7 platinum division 16 rated 1614. This ladder is so messed up. The placement matches are weighed to heavily, in fact I don't even know why they exist, it would be much better if everyone just started at the bottom and worked their way up. I've seen people in platinum with under 100 games ffs.
You are right, but under 100 games? I ended up in platinum with extremely easy 8-2 in both 1v1 and 2v2. The first ten or so games after that were hell, but I've picked up the pace and back at around 1000 points or so now.
There are at least four people in my plat. division with 8-2 at all times (1000 points), Most of them are in for a one way ticked down the ladder, and that is as big a problem as the ladder being misleading and not promoting people.
The bottom of platinum is filled with people having 8-15. 10-20 and so on, barely scraping a victory after their ranking matches, not much fun in that. I can only guess but I think would have been much better to start lower and work their way up in stead.
Other than that I'm surprised at the lack of clarity compared to iccup as it is right now, although iccup has other flaws.
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On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote: As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing.
i was just moved after over 100 games.
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On March 16 2010 18:04 Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote: As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing. Seems to be a big problem to me. I thought the whole point of the leagues was that there's incentive to improve because you keep reaching new leagues and stuff. Where's the incentive if you get stuck in your current league? Also all platinum should be > all gold, and all platinum should be directly comparable to all other platinum, etc. Right now it's a clusterfuck and no one really has any idea except like #1 platinum is probably better than #1 gold and #1 gold is probably better than #40 platinum etc....
Even divisions should be strictly one after the other, otherwise what's the chance of a player currently ranked 40 in his division to get in the top 8 and compete in the tournament? I can tell you what's his chance with the current system, it's exactly 0%, since a gold player in 40th place is very likely much worse than a number 1 silver player. So currently whether or not you can compete in the end season tournament is mostly luck than anything else with divisions not only heavily overlapping with each other, but heavily overlapping even with other leagues.
In order for divisions to be of players of similar skill levels as it is advertised in the bnet description of leagues and divisions and everyone to have a chance of being top 8 the skill difference inside a division must be a lot smaller and it's not like there aren't enough players with similar skill levels. Even on iccup where the amount of players is much smaller than in the SC2 beta you can see there's a very very small difference between player 2000 and 2100 and just one-two games can move you 100 positions, so if divisions were extremely tight in skill level one game would be enough to get you from last place to first place, so even with significant overlap(but not as ridiculous as the current one is) there would still be chance for everyone to become top 8 in their respective division.
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I've seen evidence of people being moved at or after 500 games as well. It looks like he's played over 350 by now.
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On March 16 2010 22:29 JoshSuth wrote: I've seen evidence of people being moved at or after 500 games as well. It looks like he's played over 350 by now.
I might find out soon, the leader in my silver division (youngdrew.hungry) has played 434 games and he's rated 2009, he's been playing platinums and top gold.
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I was moved after over 60 games. I really think it's simply a matter of the system waiting for new players to make a division with. Number of concurrent users has been on a steep decline since late last week, so it stands to reason that the system would have trouble moving people around.
Obviously it's silly that scsz wasn't moved around the same time as me last week, but oh well. It's not perfect
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Im number 3 in my silver, but am currently sticking to FFA because now im nonstop playing platinum players, im a gold at best. (im playing FFA to work on my apm/management because atm its mechanics and not strategy as much that seperate me from players who beat me)
But my last 4-5 games i friend added them and they were platinum players, its not that im crying about playin v platinum players, but then put me in a better league, being in silver and playing v platinum players is kinda ridiculous, WTB more players for gold division? (im like 1750 in my silver like 30 points out of 2nd and our number 1 is like 1900 i think. Our top 5 are all 1600+ with every1 else being 1500 and less. all the way down to like 800)
I mean its cool getting 35+ points per win, but im just not at the level to compete against platinum players continually.right now.
just as a BTW the game count has nothing to do with being moved div's id bet money on it. Every1 suspected the same thing in the beginning "after 50" or "after 100" l dont think so, i am pretty sure the div changes come in waves. (still waiting to be bumped to gold).
And lastly it seems to be completely obvious its a shared account, and if u account for 1 player being a copper and 1 being a platinum the middle = silver/bronze. Silver= the plat one plays more, but the copper plays enough to kep him out of gold/plat. So if anything i think this proves the divisions are more balanced than we thought. This also acounts for his insane amount of points. The copper play keeps him in lower division, but he is obvious a top platinum player in reality = 30-50 points a win and when the copper person plays he is losing 1-5 = he only need 1 for every 7-10 games the copper person plays.
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On March 16 2010 16:49 billyX333 wrote:a silver player beats #1 rated platinum player on beta best ranking system ever
Which game is that from? Post a replay?
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Ladder system is a bit crazy atm. Thats at least whats my impression.
Last days i was placed 4-6th in silver 2v2 random. one evening i won 5 or 6 games in row, which resulted in that i had the best win/loss ratio in my division. Next day, to my surprise, after a loss i got promoted to 16th place gold league, with like 1060 points. before in silver it where like 1240 or something..
atm for me its really hard to say what counts for what in case of points/favored/league placement.
edit: Was wondering yesterday that theres a guy in my gold division with 40-21 and he got ~940 points..must be a constant horrible selection of opponents for him..
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I am at like 270 wins with 240 losses and a rating of 1800s in silver with the lowest rating in my division's top 8 being in the 1400s and I have yet to be promoted to gold/plat. I play high ranked gold and low ranked plat players and trade wins and losses with them.
I am sure the ladder system will work better once these "tournaments" get implemented where winning probably will result in direct promotion to the next tier.
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On March 17 2010 03:14 mnofstl007 wrote: I mean its cool getting 35+ points per win, but im just not at the level to compete against platinum players continually.right now.
And lastly it seems to be completely obvious its a shared account, and if u account for 1 player being a copper and 1 being a platinum the middle = silver/bronze. Silver= the plat one plays more, but the copper plays enough to kep him out of gold/plat. So if anything i think this proves the divisions are more balanced than we thought. This also acounts for his insane amount of points. The copper play keeps him in lower division, but he is obvious a top platinum player in reality = 30-50 points a win and when the copper person plays he is losing 1-5 = he only need 1 for every 7-10 games the copper person plays.
He's not getting 35 points a win, more like 6 to 12 points a win against top ten platinums depending on their rating. Since he is getting favored against the top platinums, that means he'd be losing at least 13-14 points per loss, so him staying as silver can't be explained by losing on purpose, and also he wouldn't be this highly rated if he mostly just loses games.
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On March 17 2010 03:19 fyyer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 16:49 billyX333 wrote:a silver player beats #1 rated platinum player on beta best ranking system ever Which game is that from? Post a replay?
Most likely he got that from his match history thing.
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I think what happens is, especially with shared accounts, is that if someone is losing a bunch early on, like let's say they get placed in silver and go 5-25 W/L ratio while someone else on the account is a better player and goes 25-5, the average is still 1:1 W/L.
This scenario keeps up for a bit, but then the person going 5-25 stops playing and the person going 25-5 starts to quickly pump the rating, winning most of the matches on the account and getting a lot of points as the underdog. However, the system sees how overall, the account might still be 225 wins with 175 losses and it thinks it has seen enough brutal losses to gold / plat to keep the account right in silver league because the bad player on the account lost almost every time they played an equal or higher quality opponent.
Of course you could obtain the same result by simply throwing your matches after you feel you've won to many.
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I think it is likely that the ranking system is still buggy. After all, on the first week of beta, it was randomly resetting people to 1000 rating for no reason. We have no evidence to suggest that the beta matchmaking system is stable and bug-free.
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does your ELO get reset to a default value when you graduate a division?
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On March 17 2010 08:54 StayFrosty wrote: does your ELO get reset to a default value when you graduate a division?
From what I understand it converts your rating to the equivalent for the new league you are moving to. Most people say each league higher is about 200 to 250 points, so if you were 1600 in silver, moving up to gold your new rating would be around 1350-1400.
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I would think it makes more sense by calculating the average ELO for the division you are in and setting your ELO to a value 30% below it or something along those lines.
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I asked scsz and he said he does share his account.
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It is obvious he is the control part of this beta. see what the max "elo" can get to.
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Im actually in this guys league and ive been following his progression, hes online alot but right now as i type this he is 832 points higher than 2nd place in our league :-S
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Now rated 2680, closing in on 500 games :D
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ridiculous~ I hate to be him when he gets to plat league and gets reset to 1000 points
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Reset will be soon, so none of this matters =]
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i played him a few times, got trounced. guy is pretty good.
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On March 16 2010 01:06 Chill wrote: I just can't even imagine how this system got approved in the first place. It's like 80 meaningless divisions where you can play anyone but you're grouped into these meaningless leagues. I understand what they're trying to do (8-man groups for the final tournament) but they should have simply had ONE platinum division, taken the top X players (by whichever criterium they wanted), and seeded them eight-man groups.
There's just so many things wrong with BNet 2 like this. I cannot fathom someone sitting at his desk getting pitched this idea and said "yes, this is a good idea - we should do this." Same with the friends / messaging system. It's so bulky. How did they think this was good? I think for anyone who doesn't belong to top-50 separation by Leagues is an Awesome idea. Simple comparison with Iccup ranking style: who's gonna feel better about himself and more motivated to play more - #1 Copper Player who's about to get into Bronze League or 10050003 D- Player?
For Best of the Best players they should implement something like top-50 ranking so they can see how they compare to each other, that's for sure!
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On March 16 2010 17:17 Dionyseus wrote:Anyone willing to post a rep of scsz, I don't care if it's a bad one. Maybe looking at his hotkeys someone could figure out who he is. btw the guy is now 2532. nvm it turns out that scsz is a user here (Ghoflz) and he posted a replay of his vs Lite earlier today. Here's his post:
To clarify, I'm not actually sczc. I just posted the rep because a friend showed it to me and I thought it was a pretty good game.
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This whole ladder is crap imo. I want to see an iccup style rating of D- to A+ so I can accurately judge where I am.
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the rankings are pretty misleading as well. rank 5 in one division might have the same points as rank 10 of another division. on the bright side, would lead to some interesting ego boosts / arguments on the forums :D
just like how people drop platinum division like it's iccup A now loololol
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What's interesting/troubling to me is that this guy hasn't been promoted. How can you be consistently beating top platinum players, be 800 points above the next closest guy in your division, and not get promoted.
What's the point of having different leagues if high platinum caliber players are stuck in Silver?
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On March 21 2010 14:46 Wintermute wrote: What's interesting/troubling to me is that this guy hasn't been promoted. How can you be consistently beating top platinum players, be 800 points above the next closest guy in your division, and not get promoted.
What's the point of having different leagues if high platinum caliber players are stuck in Silver?
Their review schedule for promoting/demoting is messed up, I'm hoping they rework it because I agree it makes no sense. Reviews should probably be done every 50 games. Should go something like this:
1st review: placement matches 2nd review: 20 games 3rd review: 30 games every review afterwards is done after 50 games
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Blizzard really needs to fix leagues or else their whole e-sports thing is gonna be severely messed up.
I think players wont advance leagues during seasons, I think for beta blizz enabled it for early number of games but I think after playing a bunch of games you may not be able to advance. Scsz has hundreds and hundreds of games so he may be past the point of advancement i.e. he wont advance until next season (or of course the server wipe). Personally I don't think this locked into leagues is the way to go, but I guess blizzard does for whatever reason.
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On March 14 2010 15:50 LF9 wrote:
He isn't Chinese, he's American, but he took a Chinese course in college so he thinks he can speak chinese.
Sorry for the bump... but he was featured in the Stars War tournament on the Chinese team (according to Artosis). Artosis expressed his surprise that there wasn't a thread about him on TL in his video, around the 65:30 minute mark; that is what caused me to remember this thread... He is certainly Chinese, sczc is his US account.
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Uh, he's almost 800 points ahead of 2nd, yet he isn't promoted? I'm confused.
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I strongly suspect this guy map hacks.
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On April 21 2010 00:34 HalfAmazing wrote: I strongly suspect this guy map hacks.
you should always provide solid proof before claiming someone is a cheater and not just randomly decide that and tell people.
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On April 21 2010 00:34 HalfAmazing wrote: I strongly suspect this guy map hacks.
Useless post providing nothing but conjecture without evidence. Ban
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How long will it take for people to make iccup servers for SC2?
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On March 21 2010 14:54 Dionyseus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2010 14:46 Wintermute wrote: What's interesting/troubling to me is that this guy hasn't been promoted. How can you be consistently beating top platinum players, be 800 points above the next closest guy in your division, and not get promoted.
What's the point of having different leagues if high platinum caliber players are stuck in Silver? Their review schedule for promoting/demoting is messed up, I'm hoping they rework it because I agree it makes no sense. Reviews should probably be done every 50 games. Should go something like this: 1st review: placement matches 2nd review: 20 games 3rd review: 30 games every review afterwards is done after 50 games There's a review at 45 games, so you're not entirely right, but close :3.
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Why are people still worried about leagues/rank anyway? Getting promoted is fast enough if you're willing to play some games. Not to mention its pretty much a 1 time thing only since you're linked to your bnet account.
Ladder rank has never affected leagues so I dont see it happening with SC2. The good players who care about leagues and tourneys participate in those events and get recognized there.
The blizzard invitational is a 1 time a year thing, and you'll have pleeeeeeenty of time to get to the top of your ladder, should you have been "misplaced" in a lower tier league at the beginning of the season.
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It's loner, a Chinese player that plays for Team China, according to Artosis.
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On April 21 2010 02:01 omnigol wrote: How long will it take for people to make iccup servers for SC2? That is the wrong question. The right question is: How can we help Blizzard make bnet2 even better then iccup, and maintain an united community for SC2?
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This happened to me as well. I was stuck in Bronze all before the previous reset, constantly playing plats, and now I'm stuck in Gold, same deal. My last 15 games against plats rank 10-25. I don't win em all, but it's clear I'm in the wrong division. The matchmaking works fine - it's the division jumps that don't work for everyone.
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On April 21 2010 00:34 HalfAmazing wrote: I strongly suspect this guy map hacks. are you serious? did you even look at a replay? Where did you base your suspicions on??
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On April 21 2010 07:25 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 02:01 omnigol wrote: How long will it take for people to make iccup servers for SC2? That is the wrong question. The right question is: How can we help Blizzard make bnet2 even better then iccup, and maintain an united community for SC2? I would agree with you, if these were complicated problems. These are not complicated problems. There is no creative solution when blizzards goals are different than the community's. Blizzard isn't allowing lan play and it's wasting the time of competitive players with an enigmatic feel-good ranking system.
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Oh - and sorry for double post but I thought I'd share this - the promotions seem to be based on # of games played. A friend of mine got promoted to Platinum right after he lost a game. Obviously had been playing at a higher level then finally hit # of games required to to check what league he fits in and he still qualified despite having just lost a game.
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On April 21 2010 07:17 Brad wrote: It's loner, a Chinese player that plays for Team China, according to Artosis. emphasis added - I laughed
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On April 21 2010 09:08 Terrakin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2010 00:34 HalfAmazing wrote: I strongly suspect this guy map hacks. are you serious? did you even look at a replay? Where did you base your suspicions on??
Three custom TvT games I played vs him. People who observed the games and had their own games with him shared my suspicions. High level platinum guys that you're probably familiar with that I don't want to include without their permission.
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I don't really get how this ladder system works. I was promoted from gold to platinum immediately upon hitting rank 1 in my division with less than a 60% win rate at around 70 games.
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Does anyone know his identifier/username now? Wonder what league/rank he is now.
On April 21 2010 00:34 HalfAmazing wrote: some stuff
I know I am, I know.
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Nice i have not Played him yet but i hope to get up to Silver and Try ihm out
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