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Seriously though, what most of you are describing as cheese just isn't. Rushing for DT's takes AGES, and it's quite a hefty investment.
Meaning, if you had actually scouted his base, you would have noticed that there was a surprisingly little amount of buildings and/or units there.
The vibe I'm getting here is that players will call anything cheese as long as they don't have a 60% win ratio against it. I remember this attitude from back in Quake. Strafejumping was an exploit, cheap, not in the spirit of the game, etc ... until these players could do it themselves. Suddenly, it turned from an exploit into a pro skill.
Go figure.
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I'd say protoss definitely, as they have very limited options anyway. :[
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problem with this thread is ppl will try to classify so many things as cheese, because if they died to cheese then it isn't really their fault. But very few things are abuses and cheeses. void rays are not cheese, sentry force field is not abuse. I see cheese as something that is impossible for opponent to predict and reactor to, and carries great risk of losing or being behind if fails. in broodwar 5pool is a cheese. Terran 8 rax reaper is a cheese. pylon in your base is not a cheese, neither is dt or voidray. Even proxy dt and void ray you can often make educated guess/predict based on toss's early game/army size.
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I get a good mix of all but you can be sure the likelyhood of cheese is in direct correlation with how much they type. 'GL HF', be cautious. 'Hey man, what league are you in?', about 85% chance. 'This is my first game, go easy on me', start sending workers into the fog of war because there is already a proxy there.
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Proxy Gates and/into Void Rays, Protoss win this poll.
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On May 17 2010 10:24 Actinium wrote: I get a good mix of all but you can be sure the likelyhood of cheese is in direct correlation with how much they type. 'GL HF', be cautious. 'Hey man, what league are you in?', about 85% chance. 'This is my first game, go easy on me', start sending workers into the fog of war because there is already a proxy there.
You know it's funny because everytime someone says "glhf" in a ladder game versus me they are doing something goofy, proxy gate, bunker rushing me, or ling rushing. It's weird, the silent people that don't say anything at the beginning of a game are more often then not the folks that just play a standard game. So everytime I see "glhf" I alter for early scouting.
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if in-base 2 gates are cheese...LOL
basically the last 2 days 80% of my games have been vs cheese from every race, I think zerg cheeses most though (basically zergling/baneling all-in EVERY GAME). I got proxy 2-gated once in a PvP, but I get proxy reaper rushed (sometimes with bunker) ALL THE TIME too. every race cheeses me way too much lol
and i never cheese :\
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Cheese by my definition is the 6 rax, 6 pool, 6/7 gate or proxy gate rush. I've been 6 pooled once or twice, never been proxied gated (although I did get cannoned it :p) but 6 rax reapered a ton of times.
Void Rays, hidden or no, aren't cheese. They're just strong units.
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really? seems like 1/3 of my steppes of war TvZs turn into 6pool defense.
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toss all day everday, they're getting really good at it to :D
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On May 17 2010 06:57 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2010 06:54 DrivE wrote:On May 17 2010 06:40 Slunk wrote: I don't get cheesed. Ever. how is this possible O_O lol It might be in bronze/copper.
lolz, i play in bronze right now and there are the most cheeses, since noobs don't really like to play long games
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glider is correct void ray isn't cheese dt isnt cheese proxy gate or offensive cannon, sure, that's normally cheese (depends on followup tho) 8 rax reaper is normally cheese 6pool is cheese sentry has nothing to do with cheese at all
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2v2, everytime i'm against a PP team, it's double cannon rush, double proxy gate or something like that.
had one guy cannon rush into DTs into carriers. was a good feeling to beat someone like that.
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which race are you cheesed most by*
grammar please, but i put terran
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P for sure. I can't count how many times as zerg i see forge first into double stargate void rays or proxy double gate in your main. Z needs so badly to expand to keep up it sometimes is hard to win even if you spot the move. Worst map for this is desert oasis. Absolutely hate that map.
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Typically i play DTs it takes like 10mins RUSHING to get them how the hell is that cheese lol ( and i have 3 warpgates doing a normal army ), You can beat larger army sizes with DT's pretty well just dont put them in play until your army is fighting them ( how many people scan a huge battle half way through? ).
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I no longer see void ray as cheese.
why? because i see it nearly every game therefore it is standard play and expected.
BATTLE QUEENS are highly effective early AA :3
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Seems like Protoss is a clear favorite.
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Define cheese? As a protoss I'm not sure. Is a non-proxied 3gate with no gas cheese? Is a zerg taking his gas before pool and trying to do speedling runbys on one base cheese? Is a 4-tech lab marauder attack cheese? Those three are what I seem to face most often.
I'm surprised Protoss is winning, as I never do anything I would consider cheese. I never even do a 4/5 warp gate allin in PvP. Only cheese I see Protosses doing is fast 3gate without taking a gas cheese, which is really hard to stop unless you just match them on gateway count. It makes the game from that point really dumb since both players have a shit ton of zealots with a low amount of gas/no tech.
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On May 17 2010 06:57 ymirheim wrote: Without a doubt protoss. TvP on scrap station has turned my scouting pattern into a Rorschach painting. This post needs epic love.
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