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Since everyone seems to be having trouble finding a game or staying in one (related in some way to "S2MASTER_SERVER_ERROR_INVALID_DATA"), I started wondering... If this was related to the latest patch, wouldn't it have presented these problems earlier? And couldn't they just shut down battle.net for a while and roll back a few of the latest changes? Maybe, maybe not. But they are keeping battle.net up while obsessed players continuously try to join games which they will be booted from even if they do. So, even if the Blizzard technicians don't know what the problem is, you'd think they might shut things down and reboot more or less. Curiously, that's not what the Blizzard staff is choosing to do. Therefore... I think it's fairly obvious that we are being used as guinea pigs! Lab rats! Space monkeys!
I suspect that they are doing a pre-launch worst-case-scenario drill to see what would happen if they came under some sort of a DDOS cyber-attack! They get one in-house team to attack and another to then defend and try to keep the connection up. As of now, the latter team is losing.
You see... they can get valuable information from this and may become more prepared for this type of scenario should a corporate gaming competitor (i.e. Microsoft) try to embarrass them when the game gets out of beta. Or, perhaps a member of some triad cyber-gang is about to lose a wager on a match and so he has his friends try and pull the plug on the whole network?! If you are Blizzard, you have to be prepared for these kinds of things!
And, at the same time, they can see how many people will keep trying to play despite the futility. They can see what this event does to their ratings system perhaps. But, mostly, they can generally try to figure out how to deal with similar problems when they pop up later. This is all very serious business people -- mucho dollaro$. Reputations at stake, the future of E-sports! The joy of countless millions fantasizing about being an intergalactic Napoleon. Yes, all this is at stake.
So... put on your tinfoil hats people, we're in for a bumpy ride. This last month is going to be hell.
Poll: What is the REAL reason battle.net is being so buggy/crashy?As a sheeple type, I believe the "official story" about simple beta patch bugginess. Yeah, right. (85) 26% The Blizzard staff is just jerking us around for kicks. (64) 19% Obviously, it's a government plot. (63) 19% Al Queda (i.e. zealots). (61) 18% Zerg invasion... or maybe the rapture. (60) 18% 333 total votes Your vote: What is the REAL reason battle.net is being so buggy/crashy? (Vote): Obviously, it's a government plot. (Vote): The Blizzard staff is just jerking us around for kicks. (Vote): Al Queda (i.e. zealots). (Vote): Zerg invasion... or maybe the rapture. (Vote): As a sheeple type, I believe the "official story" about simple beta patch bugginess. Yeah, right.
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not enough threads on bnet being down must have more threads on bnet being down
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haha great post - it has to be al queda (zealots)
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I don't know whether you are remotely serious, but just assuming you are, that would be just about the most inefficient way possible to do security testing on battle.net 2.0, and saying that blizzard wants to see how many people will try to play despite problems is ridiculous.
I'm shocked like everyone else that blizzard would release such a massive fail of a patch, but it's probably due to unforeseen issues with the networking changes or the same issue causing no sound.
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its cause of tcp to udp transition.
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At first I thought this was a joke, but this is actually a pretty interesting idea. I mean, if they were to test something like this realistically, then they wouldn't really be able to tell everyone about it.
Obviously, though, its Al Queda. That's for certain.
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I don't know whether you are remotely serious
Wow... Just... wow...
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This is Blizzard's response to so many people saying they are idiots.
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On May 23 2010 17:23 Skvid wrote: its cause of tcp to udp transition.
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+1, the question being what it wouldn't be forseen.
-Kerm
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Sherlock holmes aint got shit on this guy!
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I think they do a lost of test right now but they are mostly fucked as us by bug
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great theory. maybe after collecting these kind of DDOS attack data, they will need time to improve their server security, or maybe even overhaul some parts of the system if major flaws are discovered.
maybe that is why sc2 beta is closing by the end of the month.
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i like your imagination, nice post
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and i think they use this server :
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Or maybe it's a fucking beta so they aren't that tight on QA and they wanted this patch out no matter what ? The changes are pretty big, so they need to test it as much as possible.
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On May 23 2010 17:25 Incogneagram wrote:Wow... Just... wow...
His post came across as tongue-in-cheek to me.
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Al queda are more like banelings than zealots.
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can't be Al Queda, scourges are not in game anymore
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Al Queda (i.e. zealots). It's them obviously ! Protoss of recently has recieved only NERFS and no BUFFS. For Aiur brethren ! Let them feel our wrath, even if it's nerfed :D
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It's one big psychology scam, they'll have a new patch out in the next few days which will sort out all stability issues, then because of the problems with the current patch, they'll announce they are extending the beta until release and then everybody will be all like "Oh I <3 Blizzard", "I'll buy SC2 for sure Blizzard! You are my hero", "Oh Blizzard, take me to bed and zergling rush me please", etc increasing the potential number of sales.
>_>
Or... they just have issues with the current build or servers =P.
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On May 23 2010 18:27 Raskit wrote: It's one big psychology scam, they'll have a new patch out in the next few days which will sort out all stability issues, then because of the problems with the current patch, they'll announce they are extending the beta until release and then everybody will be all like "Oh I <3 Blizzard", "I'll buy SC2 for sure Blizzard! You are my hero", "Oh Blizzard, take me to bed and zergling rush me please", etc increasing the potential number of sales.
>_>
Or... they just have issues with the current build or servers =P.
I really want this too be true, and play beta until release.. but it's probably the second thing sadly
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Where is the option "Savior has offered battle.net money if it performs poorly"
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You know, there might actually be some truth to this. They may have intentionally implemented a bug to see if they could fix it without shutting down the servers. Beta is about over so it's time for them to just push everything to the limit!
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On May 23 2010 17:54 ondik wrote: can't be Al Queda, scourges are not in game anymore
I approve of this statement.
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"Oh Blizzard, take me to bed and zergling rush me please" -Raskit
"Savior has offered battle.net money if it performs poorly"-Appendix
ROFL. Thanks for making my night more enjoyable.
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Nice write up, but the comments are even funnier imo. :D
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Did you all notice how, right away, almost immediately after I revealed the conspiracy, that Battle.net started working again? Coincidence? Don't bet on it. You're welcome.
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On May 23 2010 18:53 zomgtossrush wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2010 17:54 ondik wrote: can't be Al Queda, scourges are not in game anymore I approve of this statement.
*points at banelings*
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On May 23 2010 17:25 DaggerRage wrote: This is Blizzard's response to so many people saying they are idiots.
It would be a pretty idiotic response if that were true
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i think its because of the facebook crap
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On May 23 2010 18:41 Appendix wrote: Where is the option "Savior has offered battle.net money if it performs poorly" lol
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Its obvious that the Terran did this to the servers to make it look like Al Queda (i.e. zealots) did this so we would back them in their war for space. Everyone knows that the Terran want to control Space Oil and Space Opium, and love having a big defense budget. Black flag operations is obvious black flag operation.
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I'm pretty sure it's just stress testing, honestly.
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Italy47 Posts
don't agree ur theory, simply because it happened on friday... if i had to choose, i would planned this patch on monday morning
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when I see "S2MASTER_SERVER_ERROR_INVALID_DATA", what I think is.. Heroes of Newerth..
Think about it, HoN is made by a company named S2.. they hate SC2, evident by how much competition they have had lately (arguably the two biggest betas in the past year).. S2 was afraid that now that its in retail and people have to pay for it, they are losing potential customers to SC2's beta.. So what do they do?? TOTALLY BUG THE SC2 BETA TO SHIT!..
Its true.
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Can someone lock this honestly T.T
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Why is it a problem if they are trying to use this to test? The resets are to test launch like conditions... it's a beta you're a tester why does it matter if they tell you what you're testing.
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On May 24 2010 17:30 iCCup.Raelcun wrote: Why is it a problem if they are trying to use this to test? The resets are to test launch like conditions... it's a beta you're a tester why does it matter if they tell you what you're testing. It's called non-biased testing.
Say you are testing sourness in newly manufactured apples (non-sour apples). You tell them that we are testing for sourness. A lot of people are going to say that they can test the sourness. In the other room, you have the same apple but you just ask what do apples taste like without saying that the test is for testing sourness. I doubt you will attain the same result. The first test result was affected by the question in the test. Second test, by not telling them what they are testing was a better way of testing if the battle net was stable in that condition... Oh I mean if the apples were indeed sour.
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Blizzard enabled UDP to "improve the game performance and brings numerous performance and stability improvements." I have experienced anything but stability improvements, and I'm sure most people here would agree.
UDP is my theory as to why everything has gone pear shaped but I could be wrong.
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I'm going to stick with Farmville became self aware after FB integration and is trying to take over Bnet. The issues with patch13 are annoying but hopefully get cleared up early this week before beta goes down.
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On May 23 2010 18:46 Seltsam wrote: You know, there might actually be some truth to this. They may have intentionally implemented a bug to see if they could fix it without shutting down the servers. Beta is about over so it's time for them to just push everything to the limit!
On May 23 2010 18:46 Seltsam wrote: You know, there might actually be some truth to this. They may have intentionally implemented a bug to see if they could fix it without shutting down the servers. Beta is about over so it's time for them to just push it to the limit!
On May 23 2010 18:46 Seltsam wrote: You know, there might actually be some truth to this. They have implemented a bug without shutting down the servers. It's time for them to just push it to the limit!
On May 23 2010 18:46 Seltsam wrote:push it to the limit!
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i doubt they are this devious they are probably unintentionally stupid.
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It has to be the zerg invasion, I mean... Honestly, they're being put to shame when the swarm no longer becomes a swarm. (I'm not saying zerg are nerfed to useless, because that's far from the truth, they're just not as zerg like anymore)...
Or maybe someone spilled a big gulp spiked with vodka, vodka has a habbit of ruining my worldly posessions...
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I think NihiloZero have a point here. First. Blizzard says that they will close the beta for approximately one month to make some improvements. Of course all players had a similar reaction for that. But why do they need to close the beta ? As we can see they can perfectly make changes during the beta and immediately have response for them. So there is no significant reason for shutting down. And why is this news so extremly close to latest patch ? Second. Аbsurldny TERMS OF USE : "WE ALSO RESERVE THE RIGHT, AT ALL TIMES AND IN OUR SOLE DISCRETION, TO DISCLOSE ANY USER CONTENT AND OTHER INFORMATION (INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION CHAT TEXT, VOICE COMMUNICATIONS, IP ADDRESSES, AND YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION) FOR ANY REASON" What is it ? Is it a joke ? They cant possibly be serious about that. And in the latest patch we should agree to that. (btw has anybody pressed disagree button ?) Third. I dont think that such respected studio as blizzard (sorry - Blizzard) would make such mistake and apply so buggy patch. I mean, everything was flawless before, and what do we have now ? They have their testers, they have professional programmers (and not script kiddies which dont understand what they are doing and therefore cant see consequences of their doings). AND EVERY PROGRAMMER KNOWS - U SHOULDNT PATCH SOMETHING BEFORE WEEKENDS OR HOLIDAYS. And the last. Look at the number of this patch. Bad omen ? Sorry for my english -)
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On May 23 2010 17:18 keNNabis wrote:not enough threads on bnet being down must have more threads on bnet being down
I read that with the judicator voice "you must construct additionnal bnet posts"
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