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There are a number of bugs with the system (different versions of one map being counted as different maps, create spam bug, etc) but there is also a fundamental problem.
Maps are currently sorted by popularity. New maps are added to the back of the list. When you release the 500th map, it is added to page 25.
Anyone going to click 'more maps' 24 times? Anyone? Didn't think so either. And even if someone decides to do this anyway and miraculously picks your map out of the list, it is very unlikely that 7 or 9 or 11 other people will do the same and the game actually fills up.
In short, your map will only be played by anyone at all if it is on the first 2-3 pages. Which means either you break the top 50 of popular maps or your effort is wasted because the map will have zero playtime. In Warcraft 3, you could host an unpopular map and people would eventually join. Maps were equal on the game screen. No more!...
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You make a very good point, hadn't thought of that. I assume Blizz will implement other "filters" for the games. >_<
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I find it a weird system too.
its even more weird that normal "melee" games are there too....
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They need to bring back local hosting. Seriously how are any new maps going to get any play time and become popular?
This is just one problem, out of many bad problems (channels, lan, clan support, cross realm, global ladder, etc) that needs fixing. The one positive thing about this new B.Net is a good match making service. But not to get off topic, I can definitely agree that UMS is in trouble.
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As the guy who made Turret Defense 2010 and got ripped off from publishing the map and therefore updating it to maintain my #2 map popularity rank because of some douchebag who did it first, I wanted to mention this in the Amazon thread where you ask Developers questions, but everybody was like NAH FUCK THAT CHATROOMS
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What is this tendency of tabloid-style topic titles? The background of the beta page and the forums might as well be yellow.. If your map is good, it will be played and become popular. That is the bottom line in my opinion.
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On May 30 2010 23:00 Talic_Zealot wrote: What is this tendency of tabloid-style topic titles? The background of the beta page and the forums might as well be yellow.. If your map is good, it will be played and become popular. That is the bottom line in my opinion.
you will click 25 page for find the map ? seriously did you read what he say ?
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On May 30 2010 23:00 Talic_Zealot wrote: What is this tendency of tabloid-style topic titles? The background of the beta page and the forums might as well be yellow.. If your map is good, it will be played and become popular. That is the bottom line in my opinion.
How can a map become popular if no one knows of the existence of your map
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Man... I am losing faith in blizzard day by day. How does one of the most trusted gaming companies have such huge design flaws in almost every aspect of their 'revolutionary' battle.net 0.2?
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On May 30 2010 23:00 Talic_Zealot wrote: What is this tendency of tabloid-style topic titles? The background of the beta page and the forums might as well be yellow.. If your map is good, it will be played and become popular. That is the bottom line in my opinion.
Read the OP maybe, he has valid concerns about the current state of map publishing. Your criticism is totally misplaced in this regard.
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Why was the new system implemented anyway? The possibility of hacks should be prevented by fixing the editor(as it happened in wc3)
Seriously I just do not see a need for change when I look at wc3/bnet. The system was better in every single aspect whereas I see not a single benefit from changing.
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Yes I'm not liking this "more maps button" thing, everything should be listed in one page, and there should be a button that lets you sort maps by date.
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On May 30 2010 23:00 Talic_Zealot wrote: What is this tendency of tabloid-style topic titles? The background of the beta page and the forums might as well be yellow.. If your map is good, it will be played and become popular. That is the bottom line in my opinion.
How exactly are people going to find it to play it? I release my imaginary finished map in September and it seems to be stuck on page 263 with a popularity of zero.
Let's say 1 in 20 players is looking for a map beyond the first 5 pages. Let's say there are 1000 maps and 20 maps per page. Let's say your map is a 4v4 arena. Let's say people wait in the lobby for 5 minutes (generous) before calling it quits.
On average 1 in 18000 UMS players will land on your map. For the game to fill up, 28800 people need to be looking for a map each minute. To put things into perspective, this is close to the number of players online on HoN during beta whether they were in the lobby or in a game. Assuming an average UMS takes 20 minutes and they spend 2 minutes seaching a map, it means your map will only be played (once) if there are 288K PEOPLE playing UMS games.
Per region.
If not, your map will not even fill up to be played once, because players join at such a slow rate that people in the lobby may lose patience.
This isn't an accurate prediction because nobody will quit when the game is at 7/8, but people might be much more likely to quit early when they're alone in a lobby. Also, 1000 maps is actually fairly low. But this should give a ballpark idea of the kind of numbers you need.
More critically, the 'popular' maps will be played hundreds of times in the meantime, causing them to get further ahead. In these circumstances, it is impossible for new releases to overtake popular maps.
The only ones who benefit from this system are the ones who release their maps on the clock when the game is released so they already start on the front page by virtue of simply being the first.
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When the game is released and some time has past, your new map won't be added to the 25th page. It will be added to the 500th page, good luck with that.
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I'm sure they are going to work on the system. There is a checkmark you can use to show new only but it still classes them by popularity.
It just needs more searching options. Maybe a featured map option would be nice too.
I suggest that you guys go complain on the battle.net suggestion forum instead even it's a mess over there.
Also, wait for community run web sites. If your map is good, you could submit them to those site and they might get more popular that way.
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Another annoying thing is just found is that, if some radom person host a map and than goes afk and you want to play on that certain map you get connected to this game over and over again, no matter how often you try to get a spot in a different game, without the afk host. There is no chance for you to play on that certainm map, because it is blocked buy the afk host.
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I think it would make more sense to just have a show all maps button in addition to the show more maps button.
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On May 30 2010 22:59 wanderer wrote: As the guy who made Turret Defense 2010 and got ripped off from publishing the map and therefore updating it to maintain my #2 map popularity rank because of some douchebag who did it first, I wanted to mention this in the Amazon thread where you ask Developers questions, but everybody was like NAH FUCK THAT CHATROOMS
'Imitation is the best compliment.' I can understand you're angry, but be proud that something you made is so popular. Thank you for making that map.
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sigh....another thread that exaggerates the problem to promote blizzard hate...
A fundamental problem is one that is built into the structure of the system and difficult to fix. This can be easily fixed by adding different ways to sort/filter the maps. They may have a "newest addition", add a rating system, or have featured section.
Also, maps can be spread through word of mouth if your map is good. There was never system like this before, yet, maps like TD and DOTA was able to reach a ton of people.
They JUST introduce map publishing, it's not unreasonable to assume they have missing features. Saying that, I do agree with you that there is a problem right now and you might want to post it in the blizzard forum. I just think that you are exaggerating the problem too much with the way you word it.
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There is a google statistic that says... 90% of the population never go past the third page when they do a research. Go figure.
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