Its natural for the Korean players to have a huge edge in the first year of competitive play given that they all have their years of Brood War training regimes and practice to fall back on. Outside of Korea this is only just starting to materialise. We will get there! For now I will enjoy watching Koreans stomp all of our great hopes, revenge will come.
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Demonaz
United Kingdom1219 Posts
Its natural for the Korean players to have a huge edge in the first year of competitive play given that they all have their years of Brood War training regimes and practice to fall back on. Outside of Korea this is only just starting to materialise. We will get there! For now I will enjoy watching Koreans stomp all of our great hopes, revenge will come. | ||
farnham
1378 Posts
foreigners can obviously do it if they try unfortunately jinro has been in a slump for the last 6 month but man he was beastly up until febuary / march | ||
everytimee
United States122 Posts
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bubl100500
Ukraine538 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On August 30 2011 06:10 farnham wrote: we had a gsl top 4 finish from jinro twotimes in a row foreigners can obviously do it if they try unfortunately jinro has been in a slump for the last 6 month but man he was beastly up until febuary / march Jinro started to slump around the time where the maps were balanced (jungle basin removed, close spawns removed, no bunkers/pylons on ramps for free blocks) Take that how you will. | ||
Kalent
Canada253 Posts
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andrewlt
United States7644 Posts
On August 30 2011 04:26 Choboo wrote: Yeah Mana is pretty good at dodging Koreans. 2-0 Nada and Puma. Sup son? How many Koreans has Mana played as a percentage of his overall games? He has close to 700 games in his TLPD. I'd call that dodging. How about Naniwa? And Naniwa's record vs MC is way better than Mana's 0-3. Naniwa's also played Coca, MMA, DRG, Rain, Moon and Losira. | ||
Noheroes
Canada19 Posts
just a thought | ||
waffleduck
125 Posts
TL;DR. You don't have to be Korean to play like them. Huk would never have made it this far being in NA therefor his success can be attributed to the Korean system. | ||
Moldwood
United States280 Posts
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fer
Canada375 Posts
On August 30 2011 05:29 Tobon wrote: There are at least three different ways people use the descriptor "Korean" (as opposed to "Foreigner") on TL: Korean nationality, Korean training, or as our OP used it, both. Considering just group play in MLG this year (because those are the easiest numbers to put together): Korean nationality 93-41 69% win rate of matches Korean training 89-21 81% win rate of matches* Both 82-18 82% win rate of matches (* counts Huk. If you want to add Naniwa as Korean trained just for Raleigh, or remove Rain for Raleigh since he's living in NY now, or both, it doesn't make an appreciable difference. If you did both, they'd exactly cancel out.) So whether or not you agree with the OP's definition of Korean vs. Foreigner, he wasn't cherry-picking the definition that would make foreigners look best or worst. It's just about the same, whether or not Huk is "our foreign hope" or whether he now counts as Korean. Of course, I wasn't addressing that. Just clarifying OP was not applying "double standards" to the player list. | ||
Rarak
Australia631 Posts
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nicknt
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
On August 30 2011 06:18 andrewlt wrote: How many Koreans has Mana played as a percentage of his overall games? He has close to 700 games in his TLPD. I'd call that dodging. How about Naniwa? And Naniwa's record vs MC is way better than Mana's 0-3. Naniwa's also played Coca, MMA, DRG, Rain, Moon and Losira. Mana actually has a losing record vs Koreans, Puma, Nada and Supernova are the only he's beaten. People just like to cherry pick. People cite Mana 2:0 Puma as proof that his PvT is the best in the world, when on that same day, MC 2:0d Puma aswell on KotH. We all know who won the tournament in the end. Kiwi beat Nada as well, why doesn't he get more hype? | ||
skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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Pufftrees
2449 Posts
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Tobon
United States372 Posts
On August 30 2011 06:25 fer wrote: Of course, I wasn't addressing that. Just clarifying OP was not applying "double standards" to the player list. Sorry, didn't mean to say that you were doing that, yours was just the latest post discussing what definition of "Korean" makes most sense. There were other posts earlier in the thread, though, that did accuse the OP of cherry-picking the definition that made "foreigners" look best. | ||
Pufftrees
2449 Posts
Literally no good (by top pro terms) BroodWar pro has swapped over. The koreans dominating now were B-teamers.. not even A teamers, let alone S class. As more REAL pros swap over the poor white people have literally not chance in hell at winning any joint event ever. EDIT: dont reference aging gamers like Boxer or Nada, they couldn't compete with current pros at all. | ||
BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
When Sc2 came out, my initial prediction (even though its not as skill intense as Brood War), was that it would take 1 year for white people and koreans to be 100 percent segregated. I underestimated this timeframe a bit, but its pretty much getting to the point where they shouldn't even be playing together. I'd say in another year there will be a lot more Major Tourneys where koreans aren't invited. They are only invited now still because people want to see the best players, but you might as well just bench all the white people lol. I don't know about that, some foreigners are showing a lot of potential currently (Mana/SeleCT/Kiwikaki/Ret) and some have already proven to be on par with most Koreans (Naniwa/Huk/Thorzain). Although several foreigners are definitely steadily falling behind, I don't think they all will as there are very motivated foreign players out there that can and do train as hard as the Koreans do. | ||
rift
1819 Posts
On August 30 2011 06:30 Pufftrees wrote: When Sc2 came out, my initial prediction (even though its not as skill intense as Brood War), was that it would take 1 year for white people and koreans to be 100 percent segregated. I underestimated this timeframe a bit, but its pretty much getting to the point where they shouldn't even be playing together. I'd say in another year there will be a lot more Major Tourneys where koreans aren't invited. They are only invited now still because people want to see the best players, but you might as well just bench all the white people lol. The thing is, that can't happen because the Korean scene needs international tournaments to live. The GSL isn't enough for them to be insular. | ||
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