MLG Stats - Koreans vs. White Guys - Page 5
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Tschis
Brazil1511 Posts
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paradox_
Canada270 Posts
The rest is up to interpretation on how you want to draw lines. | ||
Vandro
Netherlands384 Posts
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Bidochon
France7 Posts
They never give up and fight until death ! : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duk_Koo_Kim Stats : 17 win , 1 loss ( by death) (OK a little generalisation ^^ ) On August 30 2011 01:44 OrchidThief wrote: This is uninteresting, because essentially you're trying to correlate nationality to success instead of practice tradition to success. If you wanted any interesting data, then you should be looking at how much higher your chance of finishing well is with a rigid training environment, compared to a more loose one. I know it's not meant as such and with no malicious intentions, but essentially it's a sort of reverse racism. It'd be interesting weighing specific training amounts/patterns to MLG performance. As in Bomber trains X number of hours per day and so on, and compare it to how much Kiwikaki, Naniwa, IdrA or whoever does. | ||
Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
On August 30 2011 00:55 iMp.will. wrote: All MLG's combined Huk 3 Select 2 ToD 2 Slush 2 Sjow 1 Idra, 1 Naniwa 1 Tyler 1 Incontrol 1 TLO 1 Kiwikaki 1 Demuslim 1 HuK the korean trained guy of course got the most kills on them, I'm however suprised that Jinro is not on that list. I mean he seems to be in a very long slump at the moment, strange considering how much terran domination we see in korea. | ||
jj33
802 Posts
[QUOTE]On August 30 2011 01:58 jj33 wrote: [QUOTE]On August 30 2011 01:52 positron. wrote: [QUOTE]On August 30 2011 01:33 SKC wrote: [QUOTE]On August 30 2011 01:25 positron. wrote: [QUOTE]On August 30 2011 01:15 jj33 wrote: [QUOTE]On August 30 2011 01:13 acrimoneyius wrote: [QUOTE]On August 30 2011 01:09 jj33 wrote: Nice work. But you say you count Koreans as of Korean descent and living in Korea. Using that criteria, you are being inconsistent. You count select as a foreigner just because he lives in America, but you still count huk as a foreigner when he's living in korea. either you count select as a korean and huk foreigner or count huk as a korean as well. I don't agree with all these arbitrary rules, I view huk as a foreigner and select as a korean. but I wanted to bring that up as your criteria isn't consistent. [/QUOTE] Uhh...yes it is? He says they have to both be korean and living in korea. Neither Huk or Select fulfill both of those requirements...[/QUOTE] No it's not. He's saying you have to be Korean descent and living in korea to be considered korean. yet he counts select as a foreigner, even though he is a Korean citizen. Huk is a Canadian citizen I believe and he trains in korea and lives there currently, then he should be considered a korean by his criteria. [/QUOTE] Do you understand what AND means? He made it clear that to him Korean must be of Korean descent and living in Korea. Huk is not Korean and Select is not living in Korea. [/QUOTE] Isn't Rain living in the US? The point is the criteria doesn't make much sense. Why must it be both of them? Are you comparing if the scene is stronger in Korea? If so, why not using everyone that is practicing over there? Or are you comparing if koreans are genetically superior? If so, why not counting all koreans? I can't understand the reasoning besides that criteria, except maybe to avoid the discussion that would follow because people just can't seem to agree on it. [/QUOTE] I am not saying I agree with the criteria. It's just some guy can't wrap his head around the fact why OP doesn't consider Huk and Select Korean while OP stated his criteria clearly in the post. Whether that criteria makes sense or not I don't have an opinion. [/QUOTE] If you're referring to me. Clearly I see what he stated, but that's the point. His criteria doesn't make sense and is a double standard. I don't see why that's so hard to grasp. [/QUOTE] | ||
jj33
802 Posts
here is my post and things like this open to discussion. His criteria is a double standard. that's the point. HIS definition is wrong. pure and simple and you only seem to want to agree with him to skew the stats to help foreigners look better. If we go by anybody's random definition without any open discussion, then I can make the most random stupid criteria and it's ok, because afterall it's MY own criteria. =] | ||
Alzadar
Canada5005 Posts
One player that really impressed me this MLG was Kiwikaki, I've always thought of him as second rate in comparison to the likes of HuK and Naniwa, but no longer. With a bit of luck (and some balance patches...), Kiwi's run could have been even stronger. Kiwi was SO CLOSE to beating PuMa and taking 1st in his group, I feel like in game 3 he made the bold but perhaps unwise decision to grab the bull by the horns and pick one of the best maps for 1/1/1 all-in against one of the best players at executing it, almost daring PuMa to do it. He failed to stop it, but it was tight. Now imagine for a second that Kiwi had beat PuMa in g2 or g3. He would be #1 in his group, and be seeded against Coca in the upper bracket. If he wins there, bam, a foreigner in the top 4. If he loses, no biggie, he drops down and plays NaDa, starting with a 2-0 extended series advantage. He can probably win that, meaning foreigner in top 5 and then face DRG for top 4. Instead of course he got 2nd in his group, is seeded against Hero and loses, finishing 10th overall. I'm just trying to show how with just a little bit of extra luck/skill/magic many players could have fared much better, MLG isn't the most forgiving tournament. | ||
SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
Also, the statistics are inconsistent. Sometimes you count open bracket statistics and sometimes you don't. For example, for Puma you don't count his open bracket record while for Alicia you do. That's misleading. Decide whether you want to count it or not. Also Rain isn't considered a "Korean" since he's no longer in Korea. Isn't he in NY with his family? Just be consistent. | ||
lim1017
Canada1278 Posts
I think there is really only 1 MLG left for the foreigners to have a legit shot at top 3. For the national finals i predict were going to get a pretty huge flood of koreans for the 50k prize pool | ||
Pyloss
Germany1515 Posts
But in 1-2 years, when the many foreigners which are in Korea right now will had improve so mutch that they even can beat the koreans. I hope...^^ | ||
xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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[N3O]r3d33m3r
Germany673 Posts
On August 30 2011 00:49 CptGrackSparrow wrote: Overall Thoughts The koreans have been dominating the MLGs, but some progress is being made. The overall W/L ratio vs foreigners dropped to 72% during this last MLG and Koreans dropped a total of 9 sets to foreigners. that's only because some individual koreans fucked up. look at TesteR, choya and Alicia. the top placing koreans still have a ~90% win ratio. i say it will get worse. also this On August 30 2011 02:12 SoKHo wrote: Also, the statistics are inconsistent. Sometimes you count open bracket statistics and sometimes you don't. For example, for Puma you don't count his open bracket record while for Alicia you do. That's misleading. Decide whether you want to count it or not. Also Rain isn't considered a "Korean" since he's no longer in Korea. Isn't he in NY with his family? Just be consistent. | ||
acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On August 30 2011 02:12 SoKHo wrote: I think there is a good chance that one of the foreigners will place top 3. It really depends on the invites. Also, the statistics are inconsistent. Sometimes you count open bracket statistics and sometimes you don't. For example, for Puma you don't count his open bracket record while for Alicia you do. That's misleading. Decide whether you want to count it or not. Also Rain isn't considered a "Korean" since he's no longer in Korea. Isn't he in NY with his family? Just be consistent. 95% of Rain's training is in korea..therefore he'd be lumped together with the skill associated with players from korea (not to mention he was born there). Select would be considered an exception because, while of korean descent, he doesn't receive the same benefits of training from the skill-density in korea. Player's like Huk don't suddenly "transform into korean" after training for a few months. There are probably better methods of Nameology, but I don't know of them. | ||
absalom86
Iceland1770 Posts
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AdriftSC
Sweden66 Posts
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
On August 30 2011 02:12 SoKHo wrote: I think there is a good chance that one of the foreigners will place top 3. It really depends on the invites. Also, the statistics are inconsistent. Sometimes you count open bracket statistics and sometimes you don't. For example, for Puma you don't count his open bracket record while for Alicia you do. That's misleading. Decide whether you want to count it or not. Also Rain isn't considered a "Korean" since he's no longer in Korea. Isn't he in NY with his family? Just be consistent. games. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
ps: select is in foreign countrys even before sc2 came out while puma rain switched recently thats why the difference is made i think | ||
Demonhunter04
1530 Posts
On August 30 2011 01:15 jj33 wrote: No it's not. He's saying you have to be Korean descent and living in korea to be considered korean. yet he counts select as a foreigner, even though he is a Korean citizen. Huk is a Canadian citizen I believe and he trains in korea and lives there currently, then he should be considered a korean by his criteria. Korean descent AND living in Korea, not OR. | ||
positron.
634 Posts
On August 30 2011 02:21 absalom86 wrote: I think Tester was solely responsible for lowering the win percentage for Koreans quite a lot this last MLG. I still remember the early days in beta everybody was labeling him the best player/Protoss in the world. | ||
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