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On September 08 2011 23:59 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 08 2011 23:54 MikeG wrote:On September 08 2011 23:34 Thorakh wrote:On September 08 2011 22:51 icarly wrote:On September 08 2011 22:15 -Dustin- wrote:On September 08 2011 21:57 icarly wrote: To normal people, aka non turbo nerds like us, video games are still just a mindless hobby-- the same as television. It looks unprofessional while during such a tender time in basketball one of their players is opting to waste his time playing a video game.
And please, don't insult athletes by comparing sports to esports. Pro gamers are just "basement dwelling Nerds." They sit on their asses for 10+ hours a day playing a video game for money that would put them below the poverty line if they lived by themselves, while professional athletes have trained physically and mentally their entire lives while being up against an exponentially bigger and more skilled talent pool. I never compared them to E-sports, Nor did I insult them? I just stated that Pro gamers go through as much training if not more. Are you saying thats a lie? False? Sure they didn't grow up playing all their lives but some may have started at a young age because of BW and thats alot of time they have invested. Okay they do sit on their asses never denied that, But its still training if it wasn't everyone would be Code S GSL right now, Are you? Nope. Am I? Nope. So Pro gamers don't go up against more skilled players? Then how do they lose? Just a fluke every time? They do have a bigger pool of players I would agree with because who hasn't played sports?(That isn't phsically/Mentally handicapped) But that point is completely null, As its only the BEST of the best that VS each other so they lower skilled teams that fill the brackets are completley null and void. Do you like watching a ball game thats 100 - 0? Probably not. Do I like watching Starcraft2 games thats 3-0 with just a bunker rush win every game? Nope. Bigger pool means nothing, What counts is the skill of the players/teams. Ok. Do you honestly think the current top progamers right now are the best potential players in the world? No, because e sports doesn't attract players with the best possible skillset for their game like sports do. Basketball attracts so many people because the reward for being pro is huge-- millions of dollars a year. E sports only attract people that grew up as nerds and currently have little obligations, such as school, work, or family. Thousands of engineers, architects, doctors, and etc have a better skillset to do well in this game than pro gamers now, but why on Earth would they want to play something professionally where, like aforementioned, they'd be making such little money? What the hell is interesting about some dudes throwing a ball in a basket rofl... I cannot understand why a dude that is good at running after a ball and kicking it in a net is getting paid millions while someone that has the mental and physical (as in handeye coordination and quickness of the hand) capabilities to be a top SC2 player gets paid a shitty salary, unless you are really the best of the best. A game is 'just' a game whether it's physical or mental. A game becomes a sport when you are payed to play. You are just as ignorant as mister Golliver. You do realise there are other motivations than money, right? while professional athletes have trained physically and mentally their entire lives Don't make me laugh, most athletes expire by the time they reach the age of 30. The same applies for professional gamers. Rarely will you see a player do well past that age. Rarely, but occasionally. Same as with athletes. That argument doesn't stand. Yes? And your point being...? Show nested quote +Besides, how long have e-sports been around for compared to actual sports? You can't compare the two. This is getting worse than BW vs SC2 threads. It's ridiculous.
You can't blame the author for being ignorant to e-sports, most people are. Especially the readers of his articles. You can't blame people for being ignorant? You can't blame people who couldn't have known better, but this man certainly could have. Of course we have to blame him for perpetuating the prejudices about video games.
Actually that's a great point.
This man, who apparently respects Gordon, all of a sudden doesn't care for anything he says about Starcraft. The "masses" read this and laugh with him. E-Sports is as delicate as ever, we don't need this kind of publicity. So you can blame the author for making fun of the scene without even knowing how big it is globally.
Hopefully the people writing to this man don't make a fool out of us.
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You have to understand, CBSSports is second rate, they are the most hated group in the sports world when it comes to journalism. Their journalists say things just to provoke people and everything they say must be taken with a grain of salt. Just explore some of their other articles and you'll notice pretty quickly that it's all provoking content because they have no talent.
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everyone got trolled, hard.
what a lame article to write none the less however
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On September 08 2011 22:51 icarly wrote: Ok. Do you honestly think the current top progamers right now are the best potential players in the world? No, because e sports doesn't attract players with the best possible skillset for their game like sports do.
Basketball attracts so many people because the reward for being pro is huge-- millions of dollars a year. E sports only attract people that grew up as nerds and currently have little obligations, such as school, work, or family. Thousands of engineers, architects, doctors, and etc have a better skillset to do well in this game than pro gamers now, but why on Earth would they want to play something professionally where, like aforementioned, they'd be making such little money?
I do not, But you got to think about it like this. Back whenever the hell Basketball was invented. "Hey guys I shot this ball into that basket, and won the game!!" Who would be impressed? Even after people play competitive everything takes awhile to pan out, Its basically the same thing as winning a Video game tourney and telling a Friend/Parent, "I won a macro game by nuking the hell out of him!" People who don't understand won't be impressed.
So eventually if ESports grows like basketball did, It would be pretty normal to say shit like that, Will we ever reach the point that ESports will be as famous as sports? I doubt it. Would I want to see it happen? More than anything.
Little obligations though? The same could be said about sports, The ball players don't have a job outside of playing ball do they? So why should gamers be required to have a job outside of gaming,
They would be making little money, I'm sure back when basketball was invented yet again they made NO money and then LITTLE money and it kept growing as interest in the sport grew as will ESports I hope.
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I'm probably wrong because I don't know about any of journalism crap but wouldn't all this attention just be giving the dude more publicity? I'm sure that's exactly what he wants, or am I completely wrong?
Anyway pretty ridiculous article but not really surprised, I'm sure most of my friends IRL would say the same thing about professional gaming just because they don't know anything about it, oh but wait isn't that the journlists job to research ;o
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I'm not sure why this has become a Physical Sports vs. E-Sports argument, the clear issue here is that the blog was disruptive to our community, putting down our efforts to emphasize a point that was "The NBA lockout is getting bizarre!" This shouldn't be a competition about what is harder, or who is better. They need to coexist and are going to have their own challenges. It's comparing apples to oranges, we don't say "Being in Sales is harder than Acting!" Both are personality based professions, while both are still professions.
A lot of people don't make much money starting out in any profession, and using finances to justify the significance of something is a nearsighted approach. There is no right answer here, all I know is that I feel wronged by a person with "credibility" if you can call it that, and it's unfair but unfortunately the best we can do is tell him he's incorrect and his generalizations are offensive to us and hope he gets the point.
In any case I feel that the E-Sports community is becoming a great thing with strong representatives that are now able to call these people out on their rudeness and make the world of competition a better place.
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relax guys, some ppl are just ignorant.
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He either wrote it because he thinks that way or wrote it just to get the page views. I highly doubt he wrote it as a joke. You can't just write something provocative and then say "just kidding it was all a joke!" and expect to be taken seriously.
Stop going to his blog and giving him hits. There are plenty of good and reasonable responses on there already. If you must comment, keep it civil. There's no reason to drag the community into the mud with this guy.
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I love the comments people have wrote there. Deserves him right.
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Of course they are dissing esports, what they are afraid of is that esports may be as big and socially excepted as regular sports even though in there eyes players who play esports don't do anything besides sitting in front of a pc and wasting there time. Whenever something new comes up there are old fashioned people who hate on it, it's in the nature of things. Similiar to how the music industry fails to adapt to all the changes the internet brought to the way we enjoy music, people like the author will fail to adapt to the new trend called esports. It will take time till playing starcraft for a living is as excepted as playing basketball for a living.
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Can we get an imgur link or some other image of the article up? I really hate giving people like this the traffic they do not deserve from the community that they are flaring up.
Its like the whole Finkel fiasco all over again.
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On September 09 2011 01:35 Magic1264 wrote: Can we get an imgur link or some other image of the article up? I really hate giving people like this the traffic they do not deserve from the community that they are flaring up.
Its like the whole Finkel fiasco all over again.
Done.
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I can't help but think that CBSsports employs idiots on purpose, trying to attract traffic by being inflammatory. No integrity. I used to be an avid poster on the site but left it because the NFL-experts annoyed the living crap out of me with their ignorance.
Pete Prisco, you got competition.
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CBSSports is a joke. They are at the bottom of the sports journalism pool. I really wouldn't worry to much about this. Yahoo Sports is a more trusted source of valuable information than CBSSports is. If that article was on ESPN, a much more respected site, I would be more worried about it.
Not only that, it's not even an "article". It wasn't vetted by an editor, it's just a blog post from a meat head. No reason to get worked up.
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After reading 100+ apologetic tweets to outraged sc fans I think it is safe to say the author has learned his lesson.
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On September 09 2011 02:35 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 01:35 Magic1264 wrote: Can we get an imgur link or some other image of the article up? I really hate giving people like this the traffic they do not deserve from the community that they are flaring up.
Its like the whole Finkel fiasco all over again. Done.
Thank you! I added this link to the main post =D
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I actually see this as good. The article itself is terrible, but SC2 is becoming legitement enough to be talked about in major media, of course there will be negative views. Controversy breeds interest which only brings in more people.
Maybe with seeing how unpopular his viewpoint is CBS will run an article with a fair and researched look into SC2.
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ignorant people are ignorant. write up angry letters to them and ignore their blatant elitism.
If this same author had written such a thing about any other sport in the world, he'd be flogged publicly for being short sighted and ignorant. nerd alerts? what are we 15 again? -_-' this entire article is dumb written by a dumb person who thinks "nerds" are lame, and "sports" are for cool kids.
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On September 09 2011 03:57 MstrJinbo wrote: After reading 100+ apologetic tweets to outraged sc fans I think it is safe to say the author has learned his lesson.
What's his twitter?
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On September 09 2011 05:45 TheBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 03:57 MstrJinbo wrote: After reading 100+ apologetic tweets to outraged sc fans I think it is safe to say the author has learned his lesson. What's his twitter? http://twitter.com/#!/blazersedge
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